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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #5
13. Agreed. Fuck it all.
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  -Let's say Pelosi and the House actually do impeach Bush... WilliamPitt  May-22-07 02:48 PM   #0 
  - STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT  LynneSin   May-22-07 02:50 PM   #1 
  - lol  Blue_Roses   May-23-07 02:40 PM   #167 
  - first maybe congress should poll this and check the temperature  orleans   May-22-07 02:52 PM   #2 
  - Online polls are highly unscientific. NT  NYCGirl   May-22-07 03:00 PM   #12 
  - Not to mention the poll is from 2005.  Zywiec   May-22-07 03:02 PM   #16 
  - Exactly. And pro-impeachment sentiment has certainly waned in the past 18 months  jgraz   May-22-07 03:06 PM   #26 
  - How do you know it hasn't? Here is a poll from this month  GOTV   May-23-07 02:26 PM   #157 
  - if it's an "old" poll how are people still voting in it? n/t  orleans   May-23-07 01:08 AM   #127 
     - New York Times Endorses Ned Lamont  Zywiec   May-23-07 06:55 AM   #138 
        - what do you mean constantly clicking?  orleans   May-23-07 04:41 PM   #175 
  - That would work if the people got to vote on removal  wryter2000   May-22-07 03:33 PM   #42 
  - You ignore a preparatory step - the Resolution of Inquiry in  coalition_unwilling   May-22-07 02:53 PM   #3 
  - Yes....I agree  Zodiak Ironfist   May-22-07 03:36 PM   #44 
  - That's a good point  wryter2000   May-22-07 03:38 PM   #47 
  - How in fucking HELL are the Dems supposed to be conducting investigations?  eridani   May-23-07 03:44 AM   #133 
     - And they'd magically tell the truth if it were an impeachment investigation? n/t  wryter2000   May-23-07 09:49 AM   #140 
     - Well, impeachment seems to have magical powers to hear people around here invoke it....  GOTV   May-23-07 02:30 PM   #160 
     - What do you suggest as an appropriate response?  eridani   May-23-07 07:12 PM   #177 
     - "Gonzo and Monica flip them the bird, Condi and the Psychopath in Chief have ignored every subpoena"  kenny blankenship   May-23-07 02:26 PM   #156 
  - Exactly - Who will tell the people? Who will chronicle the actual historic record  blm   May-22-07 04:33 PM   #65 
  - It would show that our legislators are willing to uphold the Constitution  Atman   May-22-07 02:54 PM   #4 
  - That is the other consideration with an impeachment hearing  lyonn   May-22-07 03:20 PM   #41 
  - Why do we need to "Show" anything?  GOTV   May-23-07 02:32 PM   #161 
  - Good point. We should only fight for things we're guaranteed of winning  jgraz   May-22-07 02:54 PM   #5 
  - Agreed. Fuck it all.  helderheid   May-22-07 03:00 PM   #13 
  - So impeach because you can't think of anything better to do?  LeftCoast   May-22-07 03:04 PM   #20 
     - Mispost  LeftCoast   May-22-07 03:07 PM   #27 
     - Yea, that is exactly what I'm saying.  helderheid   May-22-07 03:07 PM   # 
        - Investigations will slow them down  LeftCoast   May-22-07 03:12 PM   #34 
        - And no impeachment will also let them get away with it all.  helderheid   May-22-07 03:14 PM   #37 
        - Investigate. Build case. Impeach. Win conviction.  LeftCoast   May-22-07 03:37 PM   #45 
        - We're on the same page. n/t  helderheid   May-22-07 04:25 PM   #60 
        - I thought this was a special two-part episode of Matlock  rosesaylavee   May-22-07 05:31 PM   #86 
        - False choice - and a silly one at that n/t  GOTV   May-23-07 02:37 PM   #164 
        - Number one: I don't think impeachment would fail.  snappyturtle   May-22-07 06:25 PM   #112 
           - Because we've been so successful passing less devisive issues like war funding? n/t  GOTV   May-23-07 02:39 PM   #165 
        - Impeachment might be the best thing Congress could do  jgraz   May-22-07 03:13 PM   #35 
        - They need not cooperate with the hearings and so how will it slow them down?...  GOTV   May-23-07 02:36 PM   #163 
  - The can't win, won't fight excuse is disgusting  notsodumbhillbilly   May-22-07 03:40 PM   #49 
  - I agree. That's probably why no one is making that excuse. n/t  GOTV   May-23-07 02:39 PM   #166 
  - And there you go.  Forkboy   May-22-07 05:45 PM   #95 
  - Close. We should avoid doing things guaranteed to fail. See the difference? n/t  GOTV   May-23-07 02:34 PM   #162 
  - DU and the press will slaughter the Dems  Rosemary2205   May-22-07 02:55 PM   #6 
  - I must glumly agree. I'd need to take a long vacation from DU until the hysteria died down.  Hekate   May-22-07 03:07 PM   #28 
  - I must glumly agree. I'd need to take a long vacation from DU until the hysteria died down.  Hekate   May-22-07 03:08 PM   #29 
  - Will, it's not only impeachment that we want  oregonjen   May-22-07 02:58 PM   #7 
  - Timetables? What would that accomplish?  jgraz   May-22-07 04:40 PM   #67 
  - Exactly  oregonjen   May-22-07 04:49 PM   #72 
  - It's not only timetables that we want.  Telly Savalas   May-22-07 06:07 PM   #109 
  - It's not just the failure to impeach  tularetom   May-22-07 02:58 PM   #8 
  - Justice is not like riding a bike. Use it or lose it.  sfexpat2000   May-22-07 02:58 PM   #9 
  - Will, I do hope you are playing "devil's advocate" here.  Joe Fields   May-22-07 02:59 PM   #10 
  - Ah, the "conventional wisdom status quo" argument  DancingBear   May-22-07 02:59 PM   #11 
  - You fight the fights that are worth fighting, not just the fights you think you can win. Cowards.  BlooInBloo   May-22-07 03:01 PM   #14 
  - For once, we agree.  TahitiNut   May-22-07 05:01 PM   #82 
  - Aight - now I *know* you're making shit up! :)  BlooInBloo   May-23-07 11:20 AM   #146 
  - Here, here. AND Hear, hear.  calimary   May-23-07 10:26 AM   #141 
  - Fights worth fighting are ones you have a hope of winning. n/t  GOTV   May-23-07 02:42 PM   #169 
     - Only to a certain sort of person.  BlooInBloo   May-23-07 02:50 PM   #170 
        - A person who is not a fool with dreams of martyrdom...  GOTV   May-23-07 02:55 PM   #172 
  - Oops, forgot this  sfexpat2000   May-22-07 03:01 PM   #15 
  - no fucking way you can get 67 votes out of the Senate  LSK   May-22-07 03:02 PM   #17 
  - I know the conventional view  nadinbrzezinski   May-22-07 03:03 PM   #18 
  - What will it accomplish?  Bornaginhooligan   May-22-07 03:03 PM   #19 
  - WilliamPitt  ccpup   May-22-07 03:04 PM   #21 
  - Gee, Will, looks like you've got a fan  jgraz   May-22-07 03:12 PM   #32 
  - Not again!  sfexpat2000   May-22-07 03:14 PM   #38 
  - Is that more or less what happened to Clinton?  treestar   May-22-07 06:26 PM   #113 
  - The real issue here is not if they try to impeach and lose, or impeach but don't convict.  AndyA   May-22-07 03:04 PM   #22 
  - Impeach 1st. Then in the Senate keep away 50 of the Senators and then  k8conant   May-22-07 03:05 PM   #23 
  - I wonder why they even bothered to require a trial.  BuyingThyme   May-22-07 03:05 PM   #24 
  - Before the Sam Ervin hearings, NO ONE would have guessed...  Junkdrawer   May-22-07 03:06 PM   #25 
  - That is what some of us think will happen if impeachment occurs  lyonn   May-22-07 04:30 PM   #63 
  - Sam Ervin's hearings weren't impeachment hearings  onenote   May-22-07 11:02 PM   #122 
  - Personally, I think there is a reason Pelosi & Reid aren't quite pushing impeachment  LynneSin   May-22-07 03:09 PM   #30 
  - What makes you think there is anywhere near enough votes in the House?  Buck Rabbit   May-22-07 03:38 PM   #48 
  - well said ...  G_Leo_Criley   May-22-07 03:46 PM   #53 
  - No conviction would equal exoneration for Bush  LeftCoast   May-22-07 03:11 PM   #31 
  - Thanks for the realistic post....  liberalnurse   May-22-07 03:12 PM   #33 
  - ". . .they're looking at '08. . .". Well, the longer Bush and Cheney are around,  DinahMoeHum   May-22-07 03:16 PM   #39 
     - How many lives is that election victory worth?  jgraz   May-22-07 03:41 PM   #51 
        - Well, you know the saying about the wheels grinding exceedingly  DinahMoeHum   May-23-07 10:28 AM   #142 
           - Before I respond, I want to make sure I understand you  jgraz   May-23-07 12:50 PM   #148 
              - Jgraz, I'm sorry, we can't do anything about losing another  DinahMoeHum   May-23-07 01:42 PM   #150 
                 - Wow...ask the future 500-1000 dead troops if they agree with you  jgraz   May-23-07 02:04 PM   #152 
                    - Did I say I like this scenario? No, I did not. So don't put words in my mouth.  DinahMoeHum   May-23-07 02:41 PM   #168 
                       - Like it? No. You're just pointing out the up-side  jgraz   May-23-07 02:50 PM   #171 
  - k and 5th r  G_Leo_Criley   May-22-07 03:14 PM   #36 
  - There are so many issues more worthy of our attention it is hard to know where to begin...n/t  terip64   May-22-07 03:18 PM   #40 
  - But it's just stupid not to hold this threat over Junior's head. n/t  sfexpat2000   May-22-07 03:34 PM   #43 
  - We need to sting their asses  Annces   May-22-07 03:37 PM   #46 
  - Yeah?.....So?....  Nightjock   May-22-07 03:41 PM   #50 
  - What would impeachment accomplish? Rather let's ask,  Phredicles   May-22-07 03:43 PM   #52 
  - Clearly spoken, Thanks. nt  lyonn   May-22-07 04:45 PM   #70 
  - nothing that we "accomplish" under these criminals  mopinko   May-22-07 04:02 PM   #54 
  - Politics is also about consensus-building and perception  Harvey Korman   May-22-07 04:05 PM   #55 
  - See, WP, you need to realize that DU is only a form of entertainment.  Kelly Rupert   May-22-07 04:11 PM   #56 
  - "truth to powerlessness"  Harvey Korman   May-22-07 04:20 PM   #57 
  - If we had the votes in the Senate,  Kelly Rupert   May-22-07 05:40 PM   #91 
     - Oh, OK.  Harvey Korman   May-22-07 05:42 PM   #92 
        - Which would then be signed into law by  Kelly Rupert   May-22-07 05:49 PM   #97 
           - Right, because  Harvey Korman   May-22-07 05:57 PM   #103 
  - What crap.  sfexpat2000   May-22-07 04:29 PM   #62 
  - If it's ok with you, I'll skip the condescension and go right to pissed off  jgraz   May-22-07 04:52 PM   #75 
  - And explain what difference posting on DU makes?  Kelly Rupert   May-22-07 05:39 PM   #89 
     - Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out  jgraz   May-22-07 05:47 PM   #96 
        - Apparently discussing politics on a politics discussion board  Kelly Rupert   May-22-07 05:53 PM   #101 
           - I honestly don't understand what the hell you're talking about at this point  jgraz   May-22-07 06:02 PM   #105 
  - so, why are you here?  mopinko   May-22-07 04:56 PM   #79 
  - Same reason you are.  Kelly Rupert   May-22-07 05:34 PM   #87 
     - A lot of people are actively involved.  Forkboy   May-22-07 05:49 PM   #98 
     - Networking and finding meetup times/places is great.  Kelly Rupert   May-22-07 05:54 PM   #102 
        - I can see the difference.  Forkboy   May-22-07 06:03 PM   #106 
     - not why i am here.  mopinko   May-22-07 05:58 PM   #104 
  - "I assume I'll get a condescending reply or two"  Forkboy   May-22-07 05:51 PM   #100 
     - I know  nam78_two   May-23-07 02:13 PM   #153 
  - I believe it does many things. The alternative does more harm than none.  Gregorian   May-22-07 04:21 PM   #58 
  - Yeah, right, it was also WRONG to try and convict OJ Simpson.  Usrename   May-22-07 04:24 PM   #59 
  - Besides Giving The Other Side Every Bit Of Ammo They Need To Win; Not Much.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-22-07 04:28 PM   #61 
  - Would Rethugs in the Senate ignore the evidence of Crimes?  Disturbed   May-22-07 04:41 PM   #68 
     - the same folks that voted to sustain chimpy's veto even though the public supports a timetable?  onenote   May-22-07 11:03 PM   #123 
  - Better yet, what is getting accomplished by the ignoring  mmonk   May-22-07 04:31 PM   #64 
  - What would this "actually" accomplish?  StefanX   May-22-07 04:34 PM   #66 
  - Good points!  KansDem   May-22-07 04:52 PM   #77 
  - Exactly  StefanX   May-22-07 04:59 PM   #80 
  - delete -- wrong thread area  BushDespiser12   May-23-07 01:59 AM   #129 
  - this is the correct answer. thank you  NuttyFluffers   May-22-07 11:08 PM   #124 
  - I keep seeing all these posts about impeachment.....  BlackVelvet04   May-22-07 04:43 PM   #69 
  - And as an American I find that unacceptable.  mmonk   May-22-07 04:51 PM   #74 
  - Yeah, why even try to abide by the Constitution?  TheGoldenRule   May-22-07 04:47 PM   #71 
  - History will not look kindly on the Democrats if they do nothing  derby378   May-22-07 04:51 PM   #73 
  - exactly. So many people here seem to think we have anything close to a 2/3 vote.  ComerPerro   May-22-07 04:52 PM   #76 
  - No, but many of us here think the evidence is so strong that there'll be a 2/3 vote...  KansDem   May-22-07 05:06 PM   #85 
     - Repigs are so ethical and honest that they will vote based on evidence, not party line?  ComerPerro   May-22-07 05:45 PM   #94 
  - And what is it they can accomplish?  dogday   May-22-07 04:54 PM   #78 
  - What does this add to what's been "discussed" so many times already?  TahitiNut   May-22-07 04:59 PM   #81 
  - It would offer a line in a history book 100 years from now and  Vinca   May-22-07 05:02 PM   #83 
  - I'd rather concentrate on the 'articles of impeachment now', and sort out your questions afterward.  Swamp Rat   May-22-07 05:05 PM   #84 
  - "What do we have to lose by doing this?"  IChing   May-22-07 05:35 PM   #88 
     - "if we don't we will lose our democracy"  Swamp Rat   May-22-07 05:40 PM   #90 
        - Here's a 'series' question  OxQQme   May-22-07 06:16 PM   #110 
  - Might start to convince me that there is a true opposition party interested  wiggs   May-22-07 05:45 PM   #93 
  - Do you have any idea how many Americans want impeachment?  Morgana LaFey   May-22-07 05:50 PM   #99 
  - That is a chance I am willing to take to remove Bush and Cheney  Jack Rabbit   May-22-07 06:04 PM   #107 
  - Forget impeachment...they don't have the guts to keep timelines....  EndElectoral   May-22-07 06:07 PM   #108 
  - I'll speak frankly. It still boggles my mind that we are discussing  mmonk   May-22-07 06:17 PM   #111 
  - If we don't impeach bush, then no one should ever be impeached. just  nosmokes   May-22-07 06:45 PM   #114 
  - In order to convict a person of a crime you need unanimous consent from a jury  Toots   May-22-07 06:52 PM   #115 
  - It would slow Bush down.  Gregorian   May-22-07 08:00 PM   #116 
  - A FAILED IMPEACHMENT OPENS DOOR TO HAGUE  mopinko   May-22-07 08:02 PM   #117 
  - And just what if we do have 2/3's of Senate votes in 2009?  Gregorian   May-22-07 09:05 PM   #118 
  - I guess this is a fair question  tavalon   May-22-07 10:19 PM   #119 
  - So what is actually being accomplished right now???  Hailtothechimp   May-22-07 10:56 PM   #120 
  - Logic on the impeachment issue.  onenote   May-22-07 10:57 PM   #121 
  - If I am not mistaken  Voltaire   May-22-07 11:40 PM   #125 
  - The BEST post on this thread by far!  TheGoldenRule   May-23-07 12:46 AM   #126 
  - And the truth is, if Congress know these treasonous thieves did...  Amonester   May-23-07 02:27 AM   #131 
  - Voltaire, your response is so totally, exactly, and perfectly RIGHT ON!  WA98296   May-23-07 02:36 AM   #132 
  - Thank You  chknltl   May-23-07 04:18 AM   #135 
  - Thank you. nt  wiggs   May-23-07 11:27 AM   #147 
  - A voice of reason  Raine   May-23-07 01:50 AM   #128 
  - When will everything be just right for me?  BushDespiser12   May-23-07 02:01 AM   #130 
  - Other issues? Like what? Using the Justice Department to spy on Americans and suppress votes?  eridani   May-23-07 03:46 AM   #134 
  - so what will it take?  radfringe   May-23-07 04:57 AM   #136 
  - What Impeachment would show is that the  Nunyabiz   May-23-07 06:25 AM   #137 
  - Ooo that all sounds so great  sheerjoy   May-23-07 10:32 AM   #144 
  - Another OJ ...  Everybody   May-23-07 08:43 AM   #139 
  - The whole procedure  sheerjoy   May-23-07 10:29 AM   #143 
  - Forget impeachment. There are so many crimes under RICO  Cleita   May-23-07 10:41 AM   #145 
  - I, for one, would love to say that.  spanone   May-23-07 12:53 PM   #149 
  - Take a Friday afternoon and impeach him ..er them  underpants   May-23-07 01:49 PM   #151 
  - Impeachment without conviction does accomplish something - but it's not something we want....  GOTV   May-23-07 02:19 PM   #154 
  - Let me ask you a question Will.  Sentinel Chicken   May-23-07 02:25 PM   #155 
  - Their base doesn't have the votes to elect them. Which is why  sfexpat2000   May-23-07 02:28 PM   #158 
  - Now that Iraq is off the table, there's plenty of room for impeachment.  BuyingThyme   May-23-07 02:28 PM   #159 
  - In case someone else hasn't already said it, Republicans would be relieved to be rid...  chaska   May-23-07 02:56 PM   #173 
  - Why do you predicate this question on a BULLSHIT false dichotomy?  Zhade   May-23-07 03:24 PM   #174 
  - Showing the world at least half of the US is HONORABLE?  Proud2BAmurkin   May-23-07 04:46 PM   #176 
  - What makes you think impeachment proceedings would prevent other worthy issues from being heard?  porphyrian   May-23-07 07:19 PM   #178 
 

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