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Tue May-22-07 03:00 PM
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| -Let's say Pelosi and the House actually do impeach Bush... |
WilliamPitt |
May-22-07 02:48 PM |
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STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT |
LynneSin |
May-22-07 02:50 PM |
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lol |
Blue_Roses |
May-23-07 02:40 PM |
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first maybe congress should poll this and check the temperature |
orleans |
May-22-07 02:52 PM |
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Online polls are highly unscientific. NT |
NYCGirl |
May-22-07 03:00 PM |
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Not to mention the poll is from 2005. |
Zywiec |
May-22-07 03:02 PM |
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Exactly. And pro-impeachment sentiment has certainly waned in the past 18 months |
jgraz |
May-22-07 03:06 PM |
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How do you know it hasn't? Here is a poll from this month |
GOTV |
May-23-07 02:26 PM |
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if it's an "old" poll how are people still voting in it? n/t |
orleans |
May-23-07 01:08 AM |
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New York Times Endorses Ned Lamont |
Zywiec |
May-23-07 06:55 AM |
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what do you mean constantly clicking? |
orleans |
May-23-07 04:41 PM |
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That would work if the people got to vote on removal |
wryter2000 |
May-22-07 03:33 PM |
#42 |
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You ignore a preparatory step - the Resolution of Inquiry in |
coalition_unwilling |
May-22-07 02:53 PM |
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Yes....I agree |
Zodiak Ironfist |
May-22-07 03:36 PM |
#44 |
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That's a good point |
wryter2000 |
May-22-07 03:38 PM |
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How in fucking HELL are the Dems supposed to be conducting investigations? |
eridani |
May-23-07 03:44 AM |
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And they'd magically tell the truth if it were an impeachment investigation? n/t |
wryter2000 |
May-23-07 09:49 AM |
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Well, impeachment seems to have magical powers to hear people around here invoke it.... |
GOTV |
May-23-07 02:30 PM |
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What do you suggest as an appropriate response? |
eridani |
May-23-07 07:12 PM |
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"Gonzo and Monica flip them the bird, Condi and the Psychopath in Chief have ignored every subpoena" |
kenny blankenship |
May-23-07 02:26 PM |
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Exactly - Who will tell the people? Who will chronicle the actual historic record |
blm |
May-22-07 04:33 PM |
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It would show that our legislators are willing to uphold the Constitution |
Atman |
May-22-07 02:54 PM |
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That is the other consideration with an impeachment hearing |
lyonn |
May-22-07 03:20 PM |
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Why do we need to "Show" anything? |
GOTV |
May-23-07 02:32 PM |
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Good point. We should only fight for things we're guaranteed of winning |
jgraz |
May-22-07 02:54 PM |
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Agreed. Fuck it all. |
helderheid |
May-22-07 03:00 PM |
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So impeach because you can't think of anything better to do? |
LeftCoast |
May-22-07 03:04 PM |
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Mispost |
LeftCoast |
May-22-07 03:07 PM |
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Yea, that is exactly what I'm saying. |
helderheid |
May-22-07 03:07 PM |
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Investigations will slow them down |
LeftCoast |
May-22-07 03:12 PM |
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And no impeachment will also let them get away with it all. |
helderheid |
May-22-07 03:14 PM |
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Investigate. Build case. Impeach. Win conviction. |
LeftCoast |
May-22-07 03:37 PM |
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We're on the same page. n/t |
helderheid |
May-22-07 04:25 PM |
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I thought this was a special two-part episode of Matlock |
rosesaylavee |
May-22-07 05:31 PM |
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False choice - and a silly one at that n/t |
GOTV |
May-23-07 02:37 PM |
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Number one: I don't think impeachment would fail. |
snappyturtle |
May-22-07 06:25 PM |
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Because we've been so successful passing less devisive issues like war funding? n/t |
GOTV |
May-23-07 02:39 PM |
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Impeachment might be the best thing Congress could do |
jgraz |
May-22-07 03:13 PM |
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They need not cooperate with the hearings and so how will it slow them down?... |
GOTV |
May-23-07 02:36 PM |
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The can't win, won't fight excuse is disgusting |
notsodumbhillbilly |
May-22-07 03:40 PM |
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I agree. That's probably why no one is making that excuse. n/t |
GOTV |
May-23-07 02:39 PM |
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And there you go. |
Forkboy |
May-22-07 05:45 PM |
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Close. We should avoid doing things guaranteed to fail. See the difference? n/t |
GOTV |
May-23-07 02:34 PM |
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DU and the press will slaughter the Dems |
Rosemary2205 |
May-22-07 02:55 PM |
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I must glumly agree. I'd need to take a long vacation from DU until the hysteria died down. |
Hekate |
May-22-07 03:07 PM |
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I must glumly agree. I'd need to take a long vacation from DU until the hysteria died down. |
Hekate |
May-22-07 03:08 PM |
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Will, it's not only impeachment that we want |
oregonjen |
May-22-07 02:58 PM |
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Timetables? What would that accomplish? |
jgraz |
May-22-07 04:40 PM |
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Exactly |
oregonjen |
May-22-07 04:49 PM |
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It's not only timetables that we want. |
Telly Savalas |
May-22-07 06:07 PM |
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It's not just the failure to impeach |
tularetom |
May-22-07 02:58 PM |
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Justice is not like riding a bike. Use it or lose it. |
sfexpat2000 |
May-22-07 02:58 PM |
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Will, I do hope you are playing "devil's advocate" here. |
Joe Fields |
May-22-07 02:59 PM |
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Ah, the "conventional wisdom status quo" argument |
DancingBear |
May-22-07 02:59 PM |
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You fight the fights that are worth fighting, not just the fights you think you can win. Cowards. |
BlooInBloo |
May-22-07 03:01 PM |
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For once, we agree. |
TahitiNut |
May-22-07 05:01 PM |
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Aight - now I *know* you're making shit up! :) |
BlooInBloo |
May-23-07 11:20 AM |
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Here, here. AND Hear, hear. |
calimary |
May-23-07 10:26 AM |
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Fights worth fighting are ones you have a hope of winning. n/t |
GOTV |
May-23-07 02:42 PM |
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Only to a certain sort of person. |
BlooInBloo |
May-23-07 02:50 PM |
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A person who is not a fool with dreams of martyrdom... |
GOTV |
May-23-07 02:55 PM |
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Oops, forgot this |
sfexpat2000 |
May-22-07 03:01 PM |
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no fucking way you can get 67 votes out of the Senate |
LSK |
May-22-07 03:02 PM |
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I know the conventional view |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-22-07 03:03 PM |
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What will it accomplish? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-22-07 03:03 PM |
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WilliamPitt |
ccpup |
May-22-07 03:04 PM |
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Gee, Will, looks like you've got a fan |
jgraz |
May-22-07 03:12 PM |
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Not again! |
sfexpat2000 |
May-22-07 03:14 PM |
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Is that more or less what happened to Clinton? |
treestar |
May-22-07 06:26 PM |
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The real issue here is not if they try to impeach and lose, or impeach but don't convict. |
AndyA |
May-22-07 03:04 PM |
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Impeach 1st. Then in the Senate keep away 50 of the Senators and then |
k8conant |
May-22-07 03:05 PM |
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I wonder why they even bothered to require a trial. |
BuyingThyme |
May-22-07 03:05 PM |
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Before the Sam Ervin hearings, NO ONE would have guessed... |
Junkdrawer |
May-22-07 03:06 PM |
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That is what some of us think will happen if impeachment occurs |
lyonn |
May-22-07 04:30 PM |
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Sam Ervin's hearings weren't impeachment hearings |
onenote |
May-22-07 11:02 PM |
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Personally, I think there is a reason Pelosi & Reid aren't quite pushing impeachment |
LynneSin |
May-22-07 03:09 PM |
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What makes you think there is anywhere near enough votes in the House? |
Buck Rabbit |
May-22-07 03:38 PM |
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well said ... |
G_Leo_Criley |
May-22-07 03:46 PM |
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No conviction would equal exoneration for Bush |
LeftCoast |
May-22-07 03:11 PM |
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Thanks for the realistic post.... |
liberalnurse |
May-22-07 03:12 PM |
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". . .they're looking at '08. . .". Well, the longer Bush and Cheney are around, |
DinahMoeHum |
May-22-07 03:16 PM |
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How many lives is that election victory worth? |
jgraz |
May-22-07 03:41 PM |
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Well, you know the saying about the wheels grinding exceedingly |
DinahMoeHum |
May-23-07 10:28 AM |
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Before I respond, I want to make sure I understand you |
jgraz |
May-23-07 12:50 PM |
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Jgraz, I'm sorry, we can't do anything about losing another |
DinahMoeHum |
May-23-07 01:42 PM |
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Wow...ask the future 500-1000 dead troops if they agree with you |
jgraz |
May-23-07 02:04 PM |
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Did I say I like this scenario? No, I did not. So don't put words in my mouth. |
DinahMoeHum |
May-23-07 02:41 PM |
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Like it? No. You're just pointing out the up-side |
jgraz |
May-23-07 02:50 PM |
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k and 5th r |
G_Leo_Criley |
May-22-07 03:14 PM |
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There are so many issues more worthy of our attention it is hard to know where to begin...n/t |
terip64 |
May-22-07 03:18 PM |
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But it's just stupid not to hold this threat over Junior's head. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
May-22-07 03:34 PM |
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We need to sting their asses |
Annces |
May-22-07 03:37 PM |
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Yeah?.....So?.... |
Nightjock |
May-22-07 03:41 PM |
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What would impeachment accomplish? Rather let's ask, |
Phredicles |
May-22-07 03:43 PM |
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Clearly spoken, Thanks. nt |
lyonn |
May-22-07 04:45 PM |
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nothing that we "accomplish" under these criminals |
mopinko |
May-22-07 04:02 PM |
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Politics is also about consensus-building and perception |
Harvey Korman |
May-22-07 04:05 PM |
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See, WP, you need to realize that DU is only a form of entertainment. |
Kelly Rupert |
May-22-07 04:11 PM |
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"truth to powerlessness" |
Harvey Korman |
May-22-07 04:20 PM |
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If we had the votes in the Senate, |
Kelly Rupert |
May-22-07 05:40 PM |
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Oh, OK. |
Harvey Korman |
May-22-07 05:42 PM |
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Which would then be signed into law by |
Kelly Rupert |
May-22-07 05:49 PM |
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Right, because |
Harvey Korman |
May-22-07 05:57 PM |
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What crap. |
sfexpat2000 |
May-22-07 04:29 PM |
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If it's ok with you, I'll skip the condescension and go right to pissed off |
jgraz |
May-22-07 04:52 PM |
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And explain what difference posting on DU makes? |
Kelly Rupert |
May-22-07 05:39 PM |
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Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out |
jgraz |
May-22-07 05:47 PM |
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Apparently discussing politics on a politics discussion board |
Kelly Rupert |
May-22-07 05:53 PM |
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I honestly don't understand what the hell you're talking about at this point |
jgraz |
May-22-07 06:02 PM |
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so, why are you here? |
mopinko |
May-22-07 04:56 PM |
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Same reason you are. |
Kelly Rupert |
May-22-07 05:34 PM |
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A lot of people are actively involved. |
Forkboy |
May-22-07 05:49 PM |
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Networking and finding meetup times/places is great. |
Kelly Rupert |
May-22-07 05:54 PM |
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I can see the difference. |
Forkboy |
May-22-07 06:03 PM |
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not why i am here. |
mopinko |
May-22-07 05:58 PM |
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"I assume I'll get a condescending reply or two" |
Forkboy |
May-22-07 05:51 PM |
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I know |
nam78_two |
May-23-07 02:13 PM |
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I believe it does many things. The alternative does more harm than none. |
Gregorian |
May-22-07 04:21 PM |
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Yeah, right, it was also WRONG to try and convict OJ Simpson. |
Usrename |
May-22-07 04:24 PM |
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Besides Giving The Other Side Every Bit Of Ammo They Need To Win; Not Much. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
May-22-07 04:28 PM |
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Would Rethugs in the Senate ignore the evidence of Crimes? |
Disturbed |
May-22-07 04:41 PM |
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the same folks that voted to sustain chimpy's veto even though the public supports a timetable? |
onenote |
May-22-07 11:03 PM |
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Better yet, what is getting accomplished by the ignoring |
mmonk |
May-22-07 04:31 PM |
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What would this "actually" accomplish? |
StefanX |
May-22-07 04:34 PM |
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Good points! |
KansDem |
May-22-07 04:52 PM |
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Exactly |
StefanX |
May-22-07 04:59 PM |
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delete -- wrong thread area |
BushDespiser12 |
May-23-07 01:59 AM |
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this is the correct answer. thank you |
NuttyFluffers |
May-22-07 11:08 PM |
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I keep seeing all these posts about impeachment..... |
BlackVelvet04 |
May-22-07 04:43 PM |
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And as an American I find that unacceptable. |
mmonk |
May-22-07 04:51 PM |
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Yeah, why even try to abide by the Constitution? |
TheGoldenRule |
May-22-07 04:47 PM |
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History will not look kindly on the Democrats if they do nothing |
derby378 |
May-22-07 04:51 PM |
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exactly. So many people here seem to think we have anything close to a 2/3 vote. |
ComerPerro |
May-22-07 04:52 PM |
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No, but many of us here think the evidence is so strong that there'll be a 2/3 vote... |
KansDem |
May-22-07 05:06 PM |
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Repigs are so ethical and honest that they will vote based on evidence, not party line? |
ComerPerro |
May-22-07 05:45 PM |
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And what is it they can accomplish? |
dogday |
May-22-07 04:54 PM |
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What does this add to what's been "discussed" so many times already? |
TahitiNut |
May-22-07 04:59 PM |
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It would offer a line in a history book 100 years from now and |
Vinca |
May-22-07 05:02 PM |
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I'd rather concentrate on the 'articles of impeachment now', and sort out your questions afterward. |
Swamp Rat |
May-22-07 05:05 PM |
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"What do we have to lose by doing this?" |
IChing |
May-22-07 05:35 PM |
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"if we don't we will lose our democracy" |
Swamp Rat |
May-22-07 05:40 PM |
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Here's a 'series' question |
OxQQme |
May-22-07 06:16 PM |
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Might start to convince me that there is a true opposition party interested |
wiggs |
May-22-07 05:45 PM |
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Do you have any idea how many Americans want impeachment? |
Morgana LaFey |
May-22-07 05:50 PM |
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That is a chance I am willing to take to remove Bush and Cheney |
Jack Rabbit |
May-22-07 06:04 PM |
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Forget impeachment...they don't have the guts to keep timelines.... |
EndElectoral |
May-22-07 06:07 PM |
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I'll speak frankly. It still boggles my mind that we are discussing |
mmonk |
May-22-07 06:17 PM |
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If we don't impeach bush, then no one should ever be impeached. just |
nosmokes |
May-22-07 06:45 PM |
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In order to convict a person of a crime you need unanimous consent from a jury |
Toots |
May-22-07 06:52 PM |
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It would slow Bush down. |
Gregorian |
May-22-07 08:00 PM |
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A FAILED IMPEACHMENT OPENS DOOR TO HAGUE |
mopinko |
May-22-07 08:02 PM |
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And just what if we do have 2/3's of Senate votes in 2009? |
Gregorian |
May-22-07 09:05 PM |
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I guess this is a fair question |
tavalon |
May-22-07 10:19 PM |
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So what is actually being accomplished right now??? |
Hailtothechimp |
May-22-07 10:56 PM |
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Logic on the impeachment issue. |
onenote |
May-22-07 10:57 PM |
#121 |
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If I am not mistaken |
Voltaire |
May-22-07 11:40 PM |
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The BEST post on this thread by far! |
TheGoldenRule |
May-23-07 12:46 AM |
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And the truth is, if Congress know these treasonous thieves did... |
Amonester |
May-23-07 02:27 AM |
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Voltaire, your response is so totally, exactly, and perfectly RIGHT ON! |
WA98296 |
May-23-07 02:36 AM |
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Thank You |
chknltl |
May-23-07 04:18 AM |
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Thank you. nt |
wiggs |
May-23-07 11:27 AM |
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A voice of reason |
Raine |
May-23-07 01:50 AM |
#128 |
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When will everything be just right for me? |
BushDespiser12 |
May-23-07 02:01 AM |
#130 |
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Other issues? Like what? Using the Justice Department to spy on Americans and suppress votes? |
eridani |
May-23-07 03:46 AM |
#134 |
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so what will it take? |
radfringe |
May-23-07 04:57 AM |
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What Impeachment would show is that the |
Nunyabiz |
May-23-07 06:25 AM |
#137 |
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Ooo that all sounds so great |
sheerjoy |
May-23-07 10:32 AM |
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Another OJ ... |
Everybody |
May-23-07 08:43 AM |
#139 |
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The whole procedure |
sheerjoy |
May-23-07 10:29 AM |
#143 |
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Forget impeachment. There are so many crimes under RICO |
Cleita |
May-23-07 10:41 AM |
#145 |
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I, for one, would love to say that. |
spanone |
May-23-07 12:53 PM |
#149 |
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Take a Friday afternoon and impeach him ..er them |
underpants |
May-23-07 01:49 PM |
#151 |
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Impeachment without conviction does accomplish something - but it's not something we want.... |
GOTV |
May-23-07 02:19 PM |
#154 |
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Let me ask you a question Will. |
Sentinel Chicken |
May-23-07 02:25 PM |
#155 |
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Their base doesn't have the votes to elect them. Which is why |
sfexpat2000 |
May-23-07 02:28 PM |
#158 |
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Now that Iraq is off the table, there's plenty of room for impeachment. |
BuyingThyme |
May-23-07 02:28 PM |
#159 |
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In case someone else hasn't already said it, Republicans would be relieved to be rid... |
chaska |
May-23-07 02:56 PM |
#173 |
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Why do you predicate this question on a BULLSHIT false dichotomy? |
Zhade |
May-23-07 03:24 PM |
#174 |
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Showing the world at least half of the US is HONORABLE? |
Proud2BAmurkin |
May-23-07 04:46 PM |
#176 |
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What makes you think impeachment proceedings would prevent other worthy issues from being heard? |
porphyrian |
May-23-07 07:19 PM |
#178 |
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