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Mon Oct-18-10 11:48 AM
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| 22. And if the Brits had won, people would be saying that the American Revolution was America's worst |
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idea.
I'm not defending slavery, simply pointing out that history is written by the victors.
If the Brits had won, Benedict Arnold would be a hero, and Nathan Hale a traitor.
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| -The Confederacy: America's Worst Idea |
neverforget |
Oct-17-10 08:29 PM |
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I don't see what's "embarrassing" about it... |
MellowDem |
Oct-17-10 08:39 PM |
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also... |
handmade34 |
Oct-17-10 08:41 PM |
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I've been lucky enough to see James Loewen speak a couple times |
nemo137 |
Oct-17-10 11:30 PM |
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Sigh... they DID secede because of states rights. |
Kalyke |
Oct-18-10 01:58 PM |
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Thank you! +10000 |
Bryn |
Oct-18-10 03:42 PM |
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Many people *believed* the Iraq war was about stopping terrorism |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-19-10 09:54 AM |
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Precisely |
Sherman A1 |
Oct-20-10 11:16 AM |
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Thanks for the link--I'll look for that book. nt |
raccoon |
Oct-20-10 07:49 AM |
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In the south |
Just One Woman |
Oct-17-10 08:47 PM |
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You are quite the prognosticator. |
deaniac21 |
Oct-17-10 10:58 PM |
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I live here, too. The conflict is already here, and it keeps growing. |
loudsue |
Oct-18-10 12:05 PM |
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So long as they ignore the entire Constitution they were right... |
Ozymanithrax |
Oct-17-10 08:51 PM |
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Very good article, but the comments at the article are embarrassing |
provis99 |
Oct-17-10 09:27 PM |
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It's really sick knowing that people still defend the Confederacy.... |
neverforget |
Oct-17-10 10:06 PM |
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We had a two hour discussion about what would have happened if the war wasn't fought and |
AlinPA |
Oct-17-10 09:55 PM |
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Spike Lee made a compelling movie about your 2nd scenario: |
VioletLake |
Oct-17-10 10:17 PM |
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Thanks, I'll take a look at it. |
AlinPA |
Oct-17-10 10:24 PM |
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I found it on YouTube |
AspenRose |
Oct-19-10 05:41 PM |
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Wasn't that a comedy? |
Ter |
Oct-17-10 11:06 PM |
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I don't know if the movie was intended to be a comedy, |
VioletLake |
Oct-18-10 09:12 AM |
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Not necessarily a comedy. A mockumentary |
Caliman73 |
Oct-18-10 12:00 PM |
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Slight edit |
MedicalAdmin |
Oct-18-10 11:41 AM |
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Thanks for the correction, MedicalAdmin. nt |
VioletLake |
Oct-18-10 05:16 PM |
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Spike produced this film, which was 'made' or directed by |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-18-10 02:26 PM |
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I see that now. Thanks, Bluenorthwest. nt |
VioletLake |
Oct-18-10 05:17 PM |
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I'm strating to think that the idea that you can punish the Dems by not voting is right up there |
Capn Sunshine |
Oct-17-10 11:50 PM |
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I keep repeating that over and over. That argument is apparently |
Kahuna |
Oct-20-10 12:48 PM |
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If we had let the south secede, |
CanonRay |
Oct-18-10 09:23 AM |
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That's probably a good prediction of what could have happened. |
neverforget |
Oct-18-10 11:18 AM |
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I'm a member of a Civil War Roundtable |
DemocracyInaction |
Oct-18-10 11:33 AM |
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Had we let them go, the Confederacy would have started a war anyway. |
ieoeja |
Oct-18-10 01:30 PM |
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Bet you don't know these following points: |
DemocracyInaction |
Oct-18-10 11:24 AM |
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They didn't have a majority |
Gaedel |
Oct-18-10 11:40 AM |
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If you add the border states |
DemocracyInaction |
Oct-18-10 11:58 AM |
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Congressional Reaportionment after the 1850 Census |
Gaedel |
Oct-18-10 01:24 PM |
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One of the reasons for succession was loss of power |
Confusious |
Oct-19-10 03:25 AM |
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The Mexican American war started it all |
Confusious |
Oct-19-10 03:14 AM |
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Might I recommend? |
Gaedel |
Oct-19-10 08:36 AM |
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From where I sit they won |
Scruffy1 |
Oct-18-10 12:12 PM |
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Lots of Southerners didn't want to secede. Check this out: |
raccoon |
Oct-18-10 11:46 AM |
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Many of the southern officers |
DemocracyInaction |
Oct-18-10 12:07 PM |
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Let us not forget the Southern Unionists, mainly of the Appalachians |
theHandpuppet |
Oct-18-10 01:08 PM |
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Thanks! |
Kalyke |
Oct-18-10 02:02 PM |
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Sam Houston tried hard to keep Texas from seceeding |
CanonRay |
Oct-19-10 05:16 PM |
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And if the Brits had won, people would be saying that the American Revolution was America's worst |
raccoon |
Oct-18-10 11:48 AM |
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sometimes I wonder about that Revolution |
hfojvt |
Oct-18-10 12:54 PM |
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Interesting idea |
Spike89 |
Oct-18-10 02:44 PM |
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that's possible, of course, |
hfojvt |
Oct-18-10 03:52 PM |
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Yeah, alternate history can make you dizzy |
Spike89 |
Oct-19-10 04:42 PM |
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since all of our neighbors had already abandoned slavery, Im pretty sure the Confederacy would still |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-19-10 04:44 AM |
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Tea Partiers are worse... |
JCMach1 |
Oct-18-10 12:47 PM |
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Confederacy, secession, states rights are proxy issues |
Terry in Austin |
Oct-18-10 12:57 PM |
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I think America's worst idea is our politicians have sold us out to the Corporate |
Bryn |
Oct-18-10 01:18 PM |
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+1000 |
waiting for hope |
Oct-18-10 01:41 PM |
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Did you seriously just compare your life to that of an slave in the antebellum south? |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-19-10 04:49 AM |
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The fact still stands that America is condoning Slavery |
Bryn |
Oct-19-10 01:23 PM |
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Ugh.... try being an actual slave. nt |
CBR |
Oct-19-10 10:21 AM |
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I'm sorry, but "all for nothing" is so disgusting that it's difficult to believe that |
suzie |
Oct-20-10 10:54 AM |
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Thank you for putting on your hip-boots and wading in here to say that. |
Hekate |
Oct-21-10 01:40 AM |
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The Confederacy is one of the most shameful parts of America history. |
TexasObserver |
Oct-18-10 01:25 PM |
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Heh. No need for me to say much of anything now. You said it all. nt |
DevonRex |
Oct-18-10 01:38 PM |
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Flags are glorified national gang colors and the same holds true for the U.S. Flag. |
Uncle Joe |
Oct-18-10 01:58 PM |
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The topic is the Confederacy, and how some unreconstructed racists worship it. |
TexasObserver |
Oct-18-10 02:03 PM |
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You can't address one without the other, of course you will have racists worship the long dead |
Uncle Joe |
Oct-18-10 02:11 PM |
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Just wanted to make sure you weren't dodging and deflecting. |
TexasObserver |
Oct-18-10 02:19 PM |
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and the North is innocent? |
Bryn |
Oct-18-10 03:45 PM |
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The Confederacy was guilty of heinous treatment of slaves, and owning slaves. |
TexasObserver |
Oct-19-10 07:41 AM |
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Where in my posts did I say I love the Confederacy? |
Bryn |
Oct-19-10 01:13 PM |
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Because it's "heritage" and "history" |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-19-10 05:09 AM |
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Yes, those are the buzz words they love to use to rationalize it. |
TexasObserver |
Oct-19-10 07:43 AM |
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A really bad idea but a helluva sales job. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Oct-18-10 01:40 PM |
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Pretty much what the GOP still does with the ignorant masses who support them. |
TexasObserver |
Oct-18-10 02:04 PM |
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Might we be smart enough to let them go this time? n/t |
Greyhound |
Oct-18-10 02:22 PM |
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They lost that ideological battle TWICE THE FUCK OVER |
Arkana |
Oct-18-10 02:24 PM |
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I would say it but I'm not. Too easy. n/t |
Fire1 |
Oct-18-10 02:55 PM |
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Thanks. |
Scurrilous |
Oct-19-10 01:08 AM |
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We should have let them go. |
JamesA1102 |
Oct-19-10 10:19 AM |
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Wouldn't be a good idea because |
Bryn |
Oct-19-10 01:10 PM |
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At least 1 if not both sides would have failed |
Spike89 |
Oct-19-10 04:52 PM |
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"America's Worst Idea" just got its own month to celebrate in Virginia |
AspenRose |
Oct-19-10 05:55 PM |
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All one needs to do is to review the 1790 debates in Congress to get an idea |
humblebum |
Oct-20-10 11:39 AM |
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