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Wed Oct-13-10 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #49 |
| 54. If some judge decides bias crime laws are unconstitutional.... |
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Do you want president Jeb to appeal the ruling?
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| -White House: 'Don't ask' will end soon |
cal04 |
Oct-13-10 12:38 PM |
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Define "soon." |
aquart |
Oct-13-10 12:41 PM |
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24 Business Hours? |
cherokeeprogressive |
Oct-14-10 03:48 AM |
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Changing the law, through an act of Congress, is the gold standard. |
Skinner |
Oct-13-10 12:44 PM |
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On what basis do you actually believe that? |
katandmoon |
Oct-13-10 12:46 PM |
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Because President Obama, and everyone else in his administration, have said repeatedly... |
Skinner |
Oct-13-10 12:55 PM |
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I respectfully disagree. Obama and his administration could barely care less about LGBT issues |
LonePirate |
Oct-13-10 01:33 PM |
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The fact is any other avenue can be challenged. |
grantcart |
Oct-13-10 02:10 PM |
#55 |
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No, actually the "gold standard" would be -- |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Oct-13-10 12:53 PM |
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But then there's no signing ceremony. n/t |
EFerrari |
Oct-13-10 01:00 PM |
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So, now the President is at fault... |
Skinner |
Oct-13-10 01:03 PM |
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Well, he likely does want in on this before the election as you said up thread. |
EFerrari |
Oct-13-10 01:07 PM |
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Where did he say that? |
Renew Deal |
Oct-13-10 01:45 PM |
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Skinner pointed out that Obama probably wants a win in glbt issues |
EFerrari |
Oct-13-10 01:53 PM |
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That's the 2012 election. |
Renew Deal |
Oct-13-10 01:58 PM |
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Yes, that is the 2012 election. There was no misunderstanding |
EFerrari |
Oct-13-10 02:01 PM |
#43 |
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Reply to #10. |
laughingliberal |
Oct-13-10 06:07 PM |
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The point is that Obama is doing nothing to end DADT |
Renew Deal |
Oct-13-10 01:44 PM |
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You're a very bad mind reader. |
EFerrari |
Oct-13-10 01:58 PM |
#40 |
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It's not just you |
Renew Deal |
Oct-13-10 02:00 PM |
#42 |
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It isn't "just me", it isn't me at all, thanks. n/t |
EFerrari |
Oct-13-10 02:03 PM |
#47 |
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I disagree. |
Skinner |
Oct-13-10 01:02 PM |
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So this appeal will eventually make the difference between DADT being dead |
rocktivity |
Oct-13-10 07:20 PM |
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You described perfectly the part I'm not getting here |
tavalon |
Oct-14-10 04:54 AM |
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Congress would have to "reinstate" another law. |
Renew Deal |
Oct-13-10 01:38 PM |
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I certainly don't think the current SCOTUS would overturn it. |
MineralMan |
Oct-13-10 03:52 PM |
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Which is exactly what Obama is getting done n/t |
sandnsea |
Oct-13-10 08:28 PM |
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So the DOJ is fighting for DADT |
tavalon |
Oct-14-10 03:51 AM |
#107 |
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If the President declines to appeal Judge Phillips' ruling |
ruggerson |
Oct-13-10 12:56 PM |
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Not quite the same. |
Skinner |
Oct-13-10 01:08 PM |
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My understanding |
ruggerson |
Oct-13-10 01:18 PM |
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It is dead, yes. |
Skinner |
Oct-13-10 01:30 PM |
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Also not a scholar but a decision by a single Federal Judge could be undone |
grantcart |
Oct-13-10 02:16 PM |
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Not true |
grantcart |
Oct-13-10 02:14 PM |
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But who would have standing to appeal? |
ruggerson |
Oct-13-10 05:13 PM |
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This article, originally posted at Daily Kos explains why it is important to |
grantcart |
Oct-13-10 04:57 PM |
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TY Skinner, for your contributions to this discussion. Hope to see more of you ongoingly. |
Hekate |
Oct-13-10 04:21 PM |
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Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure it will. |
katandmoon |
Oct-13-10 12:45 PM |
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It's official... |
disillusioned73 |
Oct-13-10 12:47 PM |
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Just end the damned policy, Mr. President |
kevinbgoode |
Oct-13-10 12:48 PM |
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"Get rid of the policy NOW." |
Dawgs |
Oct-13-10 01:09 PM |
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the "law" has been struck down as unconstitutional |
ruggerson |
Oct-13-10 01:26 PM |
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But why, when lofty words will suffice for so many fools? |
closeupready |
Oct-13-10 01:36 PM |
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But this sort of not doing anything and just waiting to see how the process |
tavalon |
Oct-14-10 05:01 AM |
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Wait... what??? |
arcane1 |
Oct-13-10 12:50 PM |
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Did they say whether they intend to help with that ? |
kenny blankenship |
Oct-13-10 12:55 PM |
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heh |
BeFree |
Oct-13-10 12:59 PM |
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Good news. |
Scurrilous |
Oct-13-10 01:01 PM |
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"News" is not the promise that something will happen, someday |
theHandpuppet |
Oct-13-10 01:05 PM |
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Gibbs says it is abou the 'process' |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-13-10 01:28 PM |
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But only Congress can end DADT, right? |
Zenlitened |
Oct-13-10 01:31 PM |
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Great! After that happens, I can start giving the DNC money again. |
closeupready |
Oct-13-10 01:35 PM |
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"There'll be pie in the sky..when you die." Tom Hill |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Oct-13-10 01:35 PM |
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Mr. President, DADT can end tomorrow if you would simply comply with the Federal Court decision |
MadHound |
Oct-13-10 01:36 PM |
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You really believe this is all about Obama taking credit? |
Renew Deal |
Oct-13-10 01:41 PM |
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He does not deserve any credit but I believe he wants to take some |
LonePirate |
Oct-13-10 01:53 PM |
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Who said this? |
Renew Deal |
Oct-13-10 01:56 PM |
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Yes, he desperately wants the credit, |
MadHound |
Oct-13-10 01:57 PM |
#39 |
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"the dems" |
Renew Deal |
Oct-13-10 02:03 PM |
#45 |
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So, don't appeal the ruling, |
MadHound |
Oct-13-10 02:07 PM |
#49 |
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If some judge decides bias crime laws are unconstitutional.... |
Renew Deal |
Oct-13-10 02:09 PM |
#54 |
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Bias crime laws have already withstood court tests |
MadHound |
Oct-13-10 02:18 PM |
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So far |
Renew Deal |
Oct-13-10 02:21 PM |
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Oh, really? Just how likely is it to be passed this year? |
MadHound |
Oct-13-10 02:27 PM |
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Obama cannot end DATA, DOMA or any other law just because |
SeattleGirl |
Oct-13-10 02:03 PM |
#46 |
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But right now, Obama can end DADT, |
MadHound |
Oct-13-10 02:09 PM |
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Doesn't the DOJ have an obligation to defend the laws on |
SeattleGirl |
Oct-13-10 02:23 PM |
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Not any sort of legally binding or constitutional obligation, no |
MadHound |
Oct-13-10 02:28 PM |
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Let me see if I get what you are saying... |
Spazito |
Oct-13-10 02:29 PM |
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Wow, nice way to try to twist what I'm saying, and twist what the DOJ does |
MadHound |
Oct-13-10 02:34 PM |
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The AG and president are supposed to be separate |
Renew Deal |
Oct-13-10 02:39 PM |
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No, they're not, |
MadHound |
Oct-13-10 02:45 PM |
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Please provide the legal case where it states the President has the right.... |
Spazito |
Oct-13-10 03:08 PM |
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Go read your history of the Kennedy's |
MadHound |
Oct-13-10 03:50 PM |
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No actual provision proving the President has the right to dictate to the DOJ... |
Spazito |
Oct-13-10 04:02 PM |
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Answer the question; do you want Republicans to have the same powers? |
treestar |
Oct-13-10 03:59 PM |
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It is in the Constitution, |
MadHound |
Oct-13-10 04:01 PM |
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Obama gets attention on this issue because he asked for attention. |
EFerrari |
Oct-13-10 02:12 PM |
#56 |
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And if he does follow through, to not take credit. |
Renew Deal |
Oct-13-10 02:20 PM |
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What? That doesn't even make sense. n/t |
EFerrari |
Oct-13-10 02:24 PM |
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You want Obama to "follow through" on the repeal, but not to take any of the credit for ending DADT. |
Renew Deal |
Oct-13-10 02:31 PM |
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As I said, you are a very bad mind reader. n/t |
EFerrari |
Oct-13-10 02:32 PM |
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Right |
Renew Deal |
Oct-13-10 02:37 PM |
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Attacking intentions that you attribute to me is ridiculous but be my guest. n/t |
EFerrari |
Oct-13-10 02:39 PM |
#79 |
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So, are you saying that attention is what he wants? |
SeattleGirl |
Oct-13-10 02:24 PM |
#66 |
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The real point here is that he will be given ZERO credit for initiating this. |
AtomicKitten |
Oct-13-10 02:29 PM |
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Barney Frank is a known homophobe. |
Renew Deal |
Oct-13-10 02:32 PM |
#72 |
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Apparently. |
AtomicKitten |
Oct-13-10 02:34 PM |
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People started working on the repeal of DADT the day it was signed. |
EFerrari |
Oct-13-10 02:36 PM |
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His pledge in the SOTU started the ball rolling in earnest. |
AtomicKitten |
Oct-13-10 02:43 PM |
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Okay. n/t |
EFerrari |
Oct-13-10 02:47 PM |
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No. If I was saying that, I would have said that. |
EFerrari |
Oct-13-10 02:33 PM |
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Or the process sucks and takes a long time |
treestar |
Oct-13-10 03:58 PM |
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Still being ignorant, and refusing to get the fact |
treestar |
Oct-13-10 03:55 PM |
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No, the actual injunction is what can put an end to DADT |
MadHound |
Oct-14-10 07:15 AM |
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Golly, wonder what that process could be - "absent the Senate vote." |
donco6 |
Oct-13-10 01:53 PM |
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What I don't understand is, why was Arnold able to refuse to defend H8 |
EFerrari |
Oct-13-10 02:02 PM |
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This is why |
Renew Deal |
Oct-13-10 02:05 PM |
#48 |
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The courts have already ruled this disgusting policy is unconstitutional. |
EFerrari |
Oct-13-10 02:08 PM |
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I guess our California Justice Dept and law are some magical -- |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Oct-13-10 02:08 PM |
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Yes, isn't that interesting. |
donco6 |
Oct-13-10 02:09 PM |
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There may be a reason. I just have never heard one. n/t |
EFerrari |
Oct-13-10 02:40 PM |
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Yeah Gibbo, lets end DADT in December... when we have a GOP Senate and probably a GOP House too. I'm |
Erose999 |
Oct-13-10 02:15 PM |
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There will not be a GOP House and Senate in December. |
Renew Deal |
Oct-13-10 02:16 PM |
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Well I guess they'll be officially sworn in in January. But you get my point. They need to act on |
Erose999 |
Oct-14-10 07:12 AM |
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I love the passive voice |
Prism |
Oct-13-10 02:44 PM |
#83 |
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No credit to the White House on this one. They're not leading at all |
Catherina |
Oct-13-10 04:09 PM |
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+1,000. |
BlueIris |
Oct-13-10 06:45 PM |
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Remember: 75% of the BP oil spill is now gone from the Gulf, largely thanks to |
metapunditedgy |
Oct-13-10 07:07 PM |
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This isn't my chosen approach --I feel no need or desire to defend it |
CreekDog |
Oct-13-10 07:39 PM |
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This was informative. |
Radical Activist |
Oct-13-10 08:05 PM |
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I'm still not getting it |
tavalon |
Oct-14-10 05:05 AM |
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Okay, let me see if I've got this straight |
tavalon |
Oct-14-10 03:44 AM |
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LOLOL "This a policy that is going to end" |
cherokeeprogressive |
Oct-14-10 04:04 AM |
#108 |
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Looks like walking down the up escalator |
CreekDog |
Oct-14-10 04:31 PM |
#114 |
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