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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-10 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #8
31. Congress would have to "reinstate" another law.
No solution is ever truly permanent, but I'd prefer it be repealed. Do you trust the Supreme Court to overturn this law? I don't.
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  -White House: 'Don't ask' will end soon cal04  Oct-13-10 12:38 PM   #0 
  - Define "soon."  aquart   Oct-13-10 12:41 PM   #1 
  - 24 Business Hours?  cherokeeprogressive   Oct-14-10 03:48 AM   #106 
  - Changing the law, through an act of Congress, is the gold standard.  Skinner   Oct-13-10 12:44 PM   #2 
  - On what basis do you actually believe that?  katandmoon   Oct-13-10 12:46 PM   #4 
  - Because President Obama, and everyone else in his administration, have said repeatedly...  Skinner   Oct-13-10 12:55 PM   #10 
  - I respectfully disagree. Obama and his administration could barely care less about LGBT issues  LonePirate   Oct-13-10 01:33 PM   #26 
  - The fact is any other avenue can be challenged.  grantcart   Oct-13-10 02:10 PM   #55 
  - No, actually the "gold standard" would be --  Hell Hath No Fury   Oct-13-10 12:53 PM   #8 
  - But then there's no signing ceremony. n/t  EFerrari   Oct-13-10 01:00 PM   #13 
  - So, now the President is at fault...  Skinner   Oct-13-10 01:03 PM   #16 
     - Well, he likely does want in on this before the election as you said up thread.  EFerrari   Oct-13-10 01:07 PM   #18 
     - Where did he say that?  Renew Deal   Oct-13-10 01:45 PM   #34 
        - Skinner pointed out that Obama probably wants a win in glbt issues  EFerrari   Oct-13-10 01:53 PM   #37 
        - That's the 2012 election.  Renew Deal   Oct-13-10 01:58 PM   #41 
           - Yes, that is the 2012 election. There was no misunderstanding  EFerrari   Oct-13-10 02:01 PM   #43 
        - Reply to #10.  laughingliberal   Oct-13-10 06:07 PM   #98 
     - The point is that Obama is doing nothing to end DADT  Renew Deal   Oct-13-10 01:44 PM   #33 
        - You're a very bad mind reader.  EFerrari   Oct-13-10 01:58 PM   #40 
           - It's not just you  Renew Deal   Oct-13-10 02:00 PM   #42 
              - It isn't "just me", it isn't me at all, thanks. n/t  EFerrari   Oct-13-10 02:03 PM   #47 
  - I disagree.  Skinner   Oct-13-10 01:02 PM   #15 
  - So this appeal will eventually make the difference between DADT being dead  rocktivity   Oct-13-10 07:20 PM   #101 
  - You described perfectly the part I'm not getting here  tavalon   Oct-14-10 04:54 AM   #109 
  - Congress would have to "reinstate" another law.  Renew Deal   Oct-13-10 01:38 PM   #31 
  - I certainly don't think the current SCOTUS would overturn it.  MineralMan   Oct-13-10 03:52 PM   #88 
  - Which is exactly what Obama is getting done n/t  sandnsea   Oct-13-10 08:28 PM   #104 
  - So the DOJ is fighting for DADT  tavalon   Oct-14-10 03:51 AM   #107 
  - If the President declines to appeal Judge Phillips' ruling  ruggerson   Oct-13-10 12:56 PM   #11 
  - Not quite the same.  Skinner   Oct-13-10 01:08 PM   #19 
     - My understanding  ruggerson   Oct-13-10 01:18 PM   #21 
        - It is dead, yes.  Skinner   Oct-13-10 01:30 PM   #24 
        - Also not a scholar but a decision by a single Federal Judge could be undone  grantcart   Oct-13-10 02:16 PM   #60 
        - Not true  grantcart   Oct-13-10 02:14 PM   #57 
        - But who would have standing to appeal?  ruggerson   Oct-13-10 05:13 PM   #97 
        - This article, originally posted at Daily Kos explains why it is important to  grantcart   Oct-13-10 04:57 PM   #96 
  - TY Skinner, for your contributions to this discussion. Hope to see more of you ongoingly.  Hekate   Oct-13-10 04:21 PM   #95 
  - Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure it will.  katandmoon   Oct-13-10 12:45 PM   #3 
  - It's official...  disillusioned73   Oct-13-10 12:47 PM   #5 
  - Just end the damned policy, Mr. President  kevinbgoode   Oct-13-10 12:48 PM   #6 
  - "Get rid of the policy NOW."  Dawgs   Oct-13-10 01:09 PM   #20 
  - the "law" has been struck down as unconstitutional  ruggerson   Oct-13-10 01:26 PM   #22 
  - But why, when lofty words will suffice for so many fools?  closeupready   Oct-13-10 01:36 PM   #30 
  - But this sort of not doing anything and just waiting to see how the process  tavalon   Oct-14-10 05:01 AM   #110 
  - Wait... what???  arcane1   Oct-13-10 12:50 PM   #7 
  - Did they say whether they intend to help with that ?  kenny blankenship   Oct-13-10 12:55 PM   #9 
  - heh  BeFree   Oct-13-10 12:59 PM   #12 
  - Good news.  Scurrilous   Oct-13-10 01:01 PM   #14 
  - "News" is not the promise that something will happen, someday  theHandpuppet   Oct-13-10 01:05 PM   #17 
  - Gibbs says it is abou the 'process'  Bluenorthwest   Oct-13-10 01:28 PM   #23 
  - But only Congress can end DADT, right?  Zenlitened   Oct-13-10 01:31 PM   #25 
  - Great! After that happens, I can start giving the DNC money again.  closeupready   Oct-13-10 01:35 PM   #27 
  - "There'll be pie in the sky..when you die." Tom Hill  Tierra_y_Libertad   Oct-13-10 01:35 PM   #28 
  - Mr. President, DADT can end tomorrow if you would simply comply with the Federal Court decision  MadHound   Oct-13-10 01:36 PM   #29 
  - You really believe this is all about Obama taking credit?  Renew Deal   Oct-13-10 01:41 PM   #32 
  - He does not deserve any credit but I believe he wants to take some  LonePirate   Oct-13-10 01:53 PM   #35 
  - Who said this?  Renew Deal   Oct-13-10 01:56 PM   #38 
  - Yes, he desperately wants the credit,  MadHound   Oct-13-10 01:57 PM   #39 
     - "the dems"  Renew Deal   Oct-13-10 02:03 PM   #45 
     - So, don't appeal the ruling,  MadHound   Oct-13-10 02:07 PM   #49 
        - If some judge decides bias crime laws are unconstitutional....  Renew Deal   Oct-13-10 02:09 PM   #54 
           - Bias crime laws have already withstood court tests  MadHound   Oct-13-10 02:18 PM   #61 
              - So far  Renew Deal   Oct-13-10 02:21 PM   #63 
                 - Oh, really? Just how likely is it to be passed this year?  MadHound   Oct-13-10 02:27 PM   #67 
     - Obama cannot end DATA, DOMA or any other law just because  SeattleGirl   Oct-13-10 02:03 PM   #46 
        - But right now, Obama can end DADT,  MadHound   Oct-13-10 02:09 PM   #52 
        - Doesn't the DOJ have an obligation to defend the laws on  SeattleGirl   Oct-13-10 02:23 PM   #64 
        - Not any sort of legally binding or constitutional obligation, no  MadHound   Oct-13-10 02:28 PM   #68 
        - Let me see if I get what you are saying...  Spazito   Oct-13-10 02:29 PM   #69 
           - Wow, nice way to try to twist what I'm saying, and twist what the DOJ does  MadHound   Oct-13-10 02:34 PM   #75 
              - The AG and president are supposed to be separate  Renew Deal   Oct-13-10 02:39 PM   #80 
              - No, they're not,  MadHound   Oct-13-10 02:45 PM   #84 
              - Please provide the legal case where it states the President has the right....  Spazito   Oct-13-10 03:08 PM   #86 
              - Go read your history of the Kennedy's  MadHound   Oct-13-10 03:50 PM   #87 
                 - No actual provision proving the President has the right to dictate to the DOJ...  Spazito   Oct-13-10 04:02 PM   #93 
              - Answer the question; do you want Republicans to have the same powers?  treestar   Oct-13-10 03:59 PM   #91 
                 - It is in the Constitution,  MadHound   Oct-13-10 04:01 PM   #92 
        - Obama gets attention on this issue because he asked for attention.  EFerrari   Oct-13-10 02:12 PM   #56 
        - And if he does follow through, to not take credit.  Renew Deal   Oct-13-10 02:20 PM   #62 
        - What? That doesn't even make sense. n/t  EFerrari   Oct-13-10 02:24 PM   #65 
           - You want Obama to "follow through" on the repeal, but not to take any of the credit for ending DADT.  Renew Deal   Oct-13-10 02:31 PM   #71 
              - As I said, you are a very bad mind reader. n/t  EFerrari   Oct-13-10 02:32 PM   #73 
                 - Right  Renew Deal   Oct-13-10 02:37 PM   #78 
                    - Attacking intentions that you attribute to me is ridiculous but be my guest. n/t  EFerrari   Oct-13-10 02:39 PM   #79 
        - So, are you saying that attention is what he wants?  SeattleGirl   Oct-13-10 02:24 PM   #66 
           - The real point here is that he will be given ZERO credit for initiating this.  AtomicKitten   Oct-13-10 02:29 PM   #70 
           - Barney Frank is a known homophobe.  Renew Deal   Oct-13-10 02:32 PM   #72 
           - Apparently.  AtomicKitten   Oct-13-10 02:34 PM   #76 
           - People started working on the repeal of DADT the day it was signed.  EFerrari   Oct-13-10 02:36 PM   #77 
              - His pledge in the SOTU started the ball rolling in earnest.  AtomicKitten   Oct-13-10 02:43 PM   #82 
                 - Okay. n/t  EFerrari   Oct-13-10 02:47 PM   #85 
           - No. If I was saying that, I would have said that.  EFerrari   Oct-13-10 02:33 PM   #74 
        - Or the process sucks and takes a long time  treestar   Oct-13-10 03:58 PM   #90 
  - Still being ignorant, and refusing to get the fact  treestar   Oct-13-10 03:55 PM   #89 
     - No, the actual injunction is what can put an end to DADT  MadHound   Oct-14-10 07:15 AM   #113 
  - Golly, wonder what that process could be - "absent the Senate vote."  donco6   Oct-13-10 01:53 PM   #36 
  - What I don't understand is, why was Arnold able to refuse to defend H8  EFerrari   Oct-13-10 02:02 PM   #44 
     - This is why  Renew Deal   Oct-13-10 02:05 PM   #48 
     - The courts have already ruled this disgusting policy is unconstitutional.  EFerrari   Oct-13-10 02:08 PM   #51 
     - I guess our California Justice Dept and law are some magical --  Hell Hath No Fury   Oct-13-10 02:08 PM   #50 
     - Yes, isn't that interesting.  donco6   Oct-13-10 02:09 PM   #53 
        - There may be a reason. I just have never heard one. n/t  EFerrari   Oct-13-10 02:40 PM   #81 
  - Yeah Gibbo, lets end DADT in December... when we have a GOP Senate and probably a GOP House too. I'm  Erose999   Oct-13-10 02:15 PM   #58 
  - There will not be a GOP House and Senate in December.  Renew Deal   Oct-13-10 02:16 PM   #59 
     - Well I guess they'll be officially sworn in in January. But you get my point. They need to act on  Erose999   Oct-14-10 07:12 AM   #112 
  - I love the passive voice  Prism   Oct-13-10 02:44 PM   #83 
  - No credit to the White House on this one. They're not leading at all  Catherina   Oct-13-10 04:09 PM   #94 
  - +1,000.  BlueIris   Oct-13-10 06:45 PM   #99 
  - Remember: 75% of the BP oil spill is now gone from the Gulf, largely thanks to  metapunditedgy   Oct-13-10 07:07 PM   #100 
  - This isn't my chosen approach --I feel no need or desire to defend it  CreekDog   Oct-13-10 07:39 PM   #102 
  - This was informative.  Radical Activist   Oct-13-10 08:05 PM   #103 
  - I'm still not getting it  tavalon   Oct-14-10 05:05 AM   #111 
  - Okay, let me see if I've got this straight  tavalon   Oct-14-10 03:44 AM   #105 
  - LOLOL "This a policy that is going to end"  cherokeeprogressive   Oct-14-10 04:04 AM   #108 
  - Looks like walking down the up escalator  CreekDog   Oct-14-10 04:31 PM   #114 

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