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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-10 07:02 AM
Response to Reply #13
15. No one is saying a delegate can't be a critic.
Edited on Wed Oct-13-10 07:02 AM by BzaDem
Though if you are saying his presidency is a failure, or we are worse off after his presidency, or he has not had some major accomplishments, I believe the problem would lie with you (or rather your point of view).
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  -Inflexibility and denial Bonobo  Oct-13-10 03:35 AM   #0 
  - Obama was not my first choice in the primaries. But when Edwards dropped out,  JDPriestly   Oct-13-10 03:45 AM   #1 
  - It really depends on your view on the structural impediments to change, historically and currently.  BzaDem   Oct-13-10 04:20 AM   #2 
  - I could mount an argument, a convincing one I think, that Bush enacted radical change.  Bonobo   Oct-13-10 04:26 AM   #4 
  - Well that would be in the executive sphere, where the President DOES have somewhat unilateral  BzaDem   Oct-13-10 04:30 AM   #5 
  - But....it took a catastrophic event (911) to enable the radical change  Klukie   Oct-13-10 08:24 AM   #35 
     - As catastrophic as the deliberate collapse of the economy? n/t  Greyhound   Oct-14-10 01:32 PM   #49 
  - +100000  Klukie   Oct-13-10 08:25 AM   #36 
  - Good post...nt  SidDithers   Oct-13-10 08:50 AM   #42 
  - Never liked the phrase 'in denial'  RandomThoughts   Oct-13-10 04:22 AM   #3 
  - I'll have to decide once I hear an actual argument from the "other" side.  Greyhound   Oct-13-10 05:10 AM   #6 
  - I agree about waiting to hear an actual argument from the "other" side  BzaDem   Oct-13-10 05:15 AM   #7 
     - Can you "hear" yourself?  cornermouse   Oct-13-10 06:28 AM   #10 
     - Of course in your mind, I run into closed doors, and people turn and walk away from me.  BzaDem   Oct-13-10 06:37 AM   #11 
     - I can hear him/her....however  Klukie   Oct-13-10 08:29 AM   #38 
     - Do you want to start with the Health Insurance Industry Profit Protection Act?  Greyhound   Oct-14-10 01:29 PM   #48 
  - This is what I understand...  MrScorpio   Oct-13-10 06:16 AM   #8 
  - Momentum alone did not lead to an increase in drone attacks in Pakistan.  Bonobo   Oct-13-10 06:26 AM   #9 
     - While of course people who disagree with the war have a legitimate beef with Obama  BzaDem   Oct-13-10 06:42 AM   #12 
     - I'm sure that if you look honestly enough at every presidency...  MrScorpio   Oct-13-10 07:00 AM   #14 
        - Wars to me are not really an issue that fits into the category of...  Bonobo   Oct-13-10 07:10 AM   #16 
           - I've been reading Chomsky for the past 20 years...  MrScorpio   Oct-13-10 07:30 AM   #21 
              - Anyway you slice it, if there was ever going to be a turning point, it was 2008.  Bonobo   Oct-13-10 07:36 AM   #23 
                 - I'm sorry, it's ALWAYS been the old Olds  MrScorpio   Oct-13-10 07:40 AM   #24 
                 - Just keep in mind that it wasn't nearly as much of a victory as FDR and LBJ had.  BzaDem   Oct-13-10 07:40 AM   #25 
                 - I think we were confused by..  KoKo   Oct-13-10 07:55 AM   #28 
                    - That hits the nail on the head, yup. nt  Bonobo   Oct-13-10 08:04 AM   #29 
                    - +1  SammyWinstonJack   Oct-13-10 08:26 AM   #37 
  - I'm known as a critic but not as well known is that I was an Obama delegate.  mmonk   Oct-13-10 06:55 AM   #13 
  - No one is saying a delegate can't be a critic.  BzaDem   Oct-13-10 07:02 AM   #15 
     - Did I say that?  mmonk   Oct-13-10 07:11 AM   #17 
        - "Much of the problem lies with the current condition of the party. "  KoKo   Oct-13-10 07:25 AM   #20 
           - Yes. Powerful people in the party have worked to scrap  mmonk   Oct-13-10 08:06 AM   #31 
  - I'm inflexible on this...  Panaconda   Oct-13-10 07:15 AM   #18 
  - Even while seeking to gut Medicare and reduce SS benefits.  SammyWinstonJack   Oct-13-10 08:30 AM   #39 
  - Me too. It's my first and biggest item. n/t  Catherina   Oct-13-10 04:32 PM   #45 
  - My complaint is not issure-oriented, but structural  Doctor_J   Oct-13-10 07:24 AM   #19 
  - The funny thing is, while Obama explicitly ran on bipartisanship in the primary, he has NOT  BzaDem   Oct-13-10 07:30 AM   #22 
  - Just because the Repukes didn't vote with him doesn't mean  Doctor_J   Oct-13-10 10:26 AM   #43 
  - I don't think we will get any of them as President. They are Straw People.  KoKo   Oct-13-10 07:47 AM   #27 
     - Ah, I miss the old DU...  Bonobo   Oct-13-10 08:06 AM   #30 
  - I do not think it is a clear choice between issues and party.  CBR   Oct-13-10 07:45 AM   #26 
  - On some issues, I AM inflexible.  bvar22   Oct-13-10 08:06 AM   #32 
  - ...  SammyWinstonJack   Oct-13-10 08:32 AM   #40 
  - AMEN!  Odin2005   Oct-13-10 08:35 AM   #41 
  - Totally! n/t  Catherina   Oct-13-10 04:33 PM   #46 
  - This goes into my Bookmarks and the "Fridge Door"...(a place of honor in our house)  KoKo   Oct-13-10 06:46 PM   #47 
  - There are times to criticize and times support the party. Yes, i consider myself flexible.  aikoaiko   Oct-13-10 08:10 AM   #33 
  - Party and Administration are secondary  blindpig   Oct-13-10 08:19 AM   #34 
  - Bumping  Panaconda   Oct-13-10 04:09 PM   #44 
 

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