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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #84
91. This is not for the Cranicks..
My OP is about helping the rest of the good people of Obion county to have proper fire protection, the Cranicks are not in need of such at the moment since their house is already burned down.

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  -Should DU take up a collection to help Obion county pay for fire protection? Fumesucker  Oct-07-10 08:56 PM   #0 
  - yes. n/t  sohndrsmith   Oct-07-10 08:58 PM   #1 
  - I'd be fine with that  sandnsea   Oct-07-10 09:00 PM   #2 
  - Where did I offer an opinion on whether DU would do such a thing?  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 09:03 PM   #7 
  - A lot of us are dirt poor, but you may have some success. nt  ZombieHorde   Oct-07-10 09:00 PM   #3 
  - But have no problem demanding that others pay for services you won't pay for nt  WolverineDG   Oct-07-10 09:04 PM   # 
  - certainly I would agree  SargeUNN   Oct-07-10 09:00 PM   #4 
  - I pledge $0.00 to the cause.  JVS   Oct-07-10 09:01 PM   #5 
  - Maybe we could each volunteer to pay one $75 scrip.  LiberalAndProud   Oct-07-10 09:02 PM   #6 
  - I think that's actually the fire chief of a different department  fishwax   Oct-08-10 12:09 AM   #136 
  - I'd be more in favor of a collection to help out the poor guy whose house burned down  derby378   Oct-07-10 09:03 PM   #8 
  - I encourage you to write an OP on that subject..  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 09:04 PM   #9 
  - absolutely - the county legislators need to do the right thing  TorchTheWitch   Oct-07-10 09:25 PM   #11 
  - county voted to put 2 more municipals on opt out subscribes...they didnt learn a damn thing.  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 09:34 PM   #14 
  - he's already been paid a couple thousand in temporary housing money &  Hannah Bell   Oct-07-10 10:17 PM   #43 
     - BUT, .... is he going to put aside $75 to subscribe? i wanna know. nt  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 10:26 PM   #46 
     - wow, your hatred and prejudice on this issue is astounding.  Bluerthanblue   Oct-08-10 08:37 AM   #174 
  - No, this is the county's responsibility  TorchTheWitch   Oct-07-10 09:21 PM   #10 
  - The victims' son, Todd Cranick, still does not know whether he supports a tax for fire protection..  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 09:29 PM   #12 
     - I believe Todd is the guy who assaulted the fire chief, & the father of the young man who started  Hannah Bell   Oct-07-10 10:33 PM   #48 
     - and the man that started his own fire 3 yrs ago and didnt pay then either  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 10:46 PM   #54 
     - it's kind of odd how that man is connected to fire.  Hannah Bell   Oct-07-10 10:54 PM   #64 
     - and the man that started his own fire 3 yrs ago and didnt pay then either  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 10:46 PM   #55 
     - Todd's actual quote supported tax funded service  TorchTheWitch   Oct-08-10 04:39 AM   #164 
  - .013 per $100 rolled into their taxes.... " loathe to tax themselves so heavily "  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 09:31 PM   #13 
  - Exactly...  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 09:35 PM   #15 
  - Per $100. I posted the wrong number in one of my earlier responses.  LiberalAndProud   Oct-07-10 09:39 PM   #18 
  - I read per $1000 on another site, not DU, if I was wrong I apologize ..  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 09:46 PM   #23 
     - well  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 10:00 PM   #27 
        - Yep, it's late and I'm getting tired and a bit slow..  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 10:02 PM   #30 
  - You're right. Quit moving decimals on me!  LiberalAndProud   Oct-07-10 10:42 PM   #52 
     - i have been lectured it is really really hard coming up with $75 a year. 11.05 is hard  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 10:47 PM   #58 
  - Check my math, seabeyond.  LiberalAndProud   Oct-07-10 09:37 PM   #16 
     - i copied  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 09:40 PM   #19 
  - Since Keith has announced and is promoting such an act  SargeUNN   Oct-07-10 09:37 PM   #17 
  - Not everyone watches TV..  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 09:42 PM   #21 
  - olberman is collecting money for the twit? does he know the guy has  Hannah Bell   Oct-07-10 10:25 PM   #45 
  - Nope. If they don't want to pay annual fees, they can pay for the full cost of any fires.  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 09:40 PM   #20 
  - If not for the people of Obion county then why not for the poor taxpayers of S Fulton ?  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 09:44 PM   #22 
     - They don't need to pay more than their fair share if the fire department simply billed unsubscribers  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 09:51 PM   #24 
        - This would be fine, except  distantearlywarning   Oct-07-10 09:53 PM   #25 
        - You can't sue someone if they are out of your state?  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 10:02 PM   #29 
        - You can't sue someone if state law says you can't..  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 10:05 PM   #31 
           - Please point me to this place in TN state law. n/t  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 10:06 PM   #33 
        - South Fulton is in Tennessee.  LiberalAndProud   Oct-07-10 10:53 PM   #62 
        - Then why have over half the people who had a fire extinguished without the benefit of subscription.  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 09:57 PM   #26 
           - i think it is more than half. reading odions fire plan, i read where it said "most" did not pay.  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 10:01 PM   #28 
           - If they don't pay the bill, they can sue.  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 10:05 PM   #32 
              - have you run a businesss? nt  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 10:07 PM   #34 
                 - wait... a SUCCESSFUL business?  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 10:07 PM   #35 
                    - The legal question over whether a claim is valid in court has nothing to do with whether or not  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 10:09 PM   #36 
                       - but it does. and since you dont get it, that tells me you are clueless.  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 10:11 PM   #37 
                       - That is true for small amounts. It would not make sense to sue over a few dollars or even a few  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 10:11 PM   #38 
                       - ah... you are gonna get that blood out of that turnup, huh? average income 35K. nt  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 10:14 PM   #40 
                          - Yeah, it might take a few years of garnished wages to pay it off.  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 10:16 PM   #42 
                       - that's  Common Sense Party   Oct-07-10 11:07 PM   #85 
                          - well, shit  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 11:08 PM   #88 
                             - No problem.  Common Sense Party   Oct-08-10 12:48 AM   #147 
                       - there are 5 municipals that are suppose to get $500 for a call. they are not on subscibe  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 10:13 PM   #39 
                          - The $500/call is if you ALREADY pay the $75. The cost if you didn't pay the $75 would be MUCH higher  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 10:15 PM   #41 
                             - none of it is getting paid.... and neither you nor i know the legalities  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 10:30 PM   #47 
                             - So your entire argument comes down to "if you were right, they wouldn't have let the house burn!"  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 10:42 PM   #51 
                                - you know, take someones words. fabricate a story, and discuss....  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 10:49 PM   #59 
                                   - I rephrased what you said an an equivalent form that happens to make your argument look ridiculous.  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 10:52 PM   #61 
                                      - it really is moot. first, ignore the part of you being clueless on legalities. i dont argue  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 10:59 PM   #73 
                                      - If you are going to make the radical claim that a verbal contract here isnt valid in a court of law,  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:06 PM   #83 
                                      - oh bullshit. look at you back pedal..... ba ha hahaha.  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 11:09 PM   #90 
                                         - I'm sure you meant something other than gibberish by that.  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:11 PM   #94 
                                            - what? bullshit? or "back pedal"? lol.  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 11:23 PM   #104 
                                            - I simply pointed out that you are the one claiming a contract is invalid without giving a theory  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:31 PM   #111 
                                            - i said, i am not arguing legalities. i dont know them. you dont know them. how stupid is it  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 11:33 PM   #113 
                                            - I do know enough about legalities to know that verbal contracts are valid contracts.  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:44 PM   #119 
                                            - county is the one that say must be subscribe. so tell me the rules to a subscribe system.  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 11:52 PM   #125 
                                            - All of that is IRRELEVANT if a verbal contract is made on the spot betwen the homeowner and the FD.  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:56 PM   #130 
                                            - see, you are clueless on law. one thing,. all there has to be is one thing  seabeyond   Oct-08-10 05:31 AM   #165 
                                      - Good luck Sea  JustAmused   Oct-08-10 12:19 AM   #140 
                                      - i need the legalities. i need to know what county allows city to do on counties opt out subscribe  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 11:03 PM   #80 
                             - no, it's not.  Hannah Bell   Oct-07-10 10:39 PM   #49 
                                - No, what's not? n/t  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 10:41 PM   #50 
                                - i believe the 500 was for the 5 municipal that did not subscribe. right? nt  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 10:50 PM   #60 
  - Yeah, um count me out of this one. Thanks.  flvegan   Oct-07-10 10:22 PM   #44 
  - I quite honestly have not seen a more absurd debate on DU since I joined - neither side has  apocalypsehow   Oct-07-10 10:43 PM   #53 
  - What's absurd to me is why ANYONE who supports what the FD did could even CLAIM to call themselves  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 10:46 PM   #57 
  - much cash are you dispatching to Obion County to cover the libertarian deadbeats?  apocalypsehow   Oct-07-10 10:56 PM   #65 
  - None. The FD can bill the cost of their services, and sue if they don't pay. Just like ERs do.  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 10:57 PM   #67 
     - "None" - That's about what I figured. Point made & discussion concluded. n/t.  apocalypsehow   Oct-07-10 10:59 PM   #70 
        - Of course you would leave the discussion, since you have absolutely no argument whatsoever.  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:03 PM   #79 
           - Sure I did - and you just made it.  apocalypsehow   Oct-08-10 12:29 AM   #145 
  - Do you think the FD didn't put out the fire because they are heartless bastards?  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 10:58 PM   #68 
  - Somehow when it comes to someone's life, emergency rooms magically don't have a problem.  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:00 PM   #74 
     - No one's life was in danger..  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 11:08 PM   #86 
     - Exactly. You admit there are some things where help should be provided before asking about payment.  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:09 PM   #89 
     - Your point?  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 11:11 PM   #95 
     - That is my point in its entirety. It speaks for itself.  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:13 PM   #96 
        - So you equate property, which is covered by insurance in fact, with human life?  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 11:22 PM   #102 
           - Who said anything about equating? Just because the situations are analogous doesn't mean life and  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:26 PM   #106 
              - You brought up the example of an ER..  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 11:38 PM   #116 
                 - I brought it up because it was an analogous situation. Not the exact same situation. n/t  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:44 PM   #118 
                    - Property, particularly insured property, is not human life..  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 11:46 PM   #120 
                       - Do you know what an analogy is?  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:47 PM   #122 
                          - The situation is analogous when human life is at risk from the fire..  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 11:50 PM   #123 
                             - The ER doesn't just help people who's life is at risk. n/t  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:52 PM   #126 
                                - Indeed, and not everyone whose life is at risk is helped by the ER..  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 11:56 PM   #129 
                                   - Let me put it this way. There are people at the ER for which the cost of helping are higher than  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:59 PM   #132 
                                      - Your point?  Fumesucker   Oct-08-10 12:04 AM   #133 
                                      - That ERs don't tend to go bankrupt from helping people and collecting later. n/t  BzaDem   Oct-08-10 12:06 AM   #134 
                                      - Do over half of the people who use an ER skip payment?  Fumesucker   Oct-08-10 12:17 AM   #139 
                                      - That affects how MUCH the ER/FD would have to overcharge to other non-subscribers who DO pay  BzaDem   Oct-08-10 12:22 AM   #143 
                                      - Yes, the taxpayers of S Fulton will pay more..  Fumesucker   Oct-08-10 12:36 AM   #146 
                                      - no. they charge all us a brazillion more to cover that noncollected fee? so RAISE the tax on city  seabeyond   Oct-08-10 05:39 AM   #166 
     - It's property damage.  LiberalAndProud   Oct-08-10 02:47 AM   #157 
        - The "duress" point is COMPLETELY inapplicable.  BzaDem   Oct-08-10 03:03 AM   #158 
           - prove it. prove a judge wont say, the emotional stress at the time the house was burning  seabeyond   Oct-08-10 05:42 AM   #167 
     - any time there is a fire like this people's lives are in danger.  Bluerthanblue   Oct-08-10 08:43 AM   #175 
     - which hospital is it in which ER admittees not covered by insurance, private pay or  Hannah Bell   Oct-07-10 11:16 PM   #99 
        - That's my point. You are perfectly fine with there being SOME services where help is given and only  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:29 PM   #109 
           - I lost a paid for home to fire in 1973..  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 11:33 PM   #114 
           - Someone with personal experience can't simultaneously be wrong? n/t  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:46 PM   #121 
              - My point is I understand what it's like to lose a home..  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 11:51 PM   #124 
                 - I never said otherwise.  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:54 PM   #127 
                    - Sure, if those who are being taxed pay more...  Fumesucker   Oct-08-10 12:09 AM   #137 
           - not when the county has repeatedly voted not to fund fire service though it can afford to do so, no.  Hannah Bell   Oct-07-10 11:43 PM   #117 
  - LMAO  JustAmused   Oct-08-10 12:24 AM   #144 
     - not only all the answer.... but see how simple it all is. gee, why didnt the municipals figure  seabeyond   Oct-08-10 05:46 AM   #168 
  - It's one of those situations that fractures across the grain of the usual politics..  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 10:53 PM   #63 
     - Would it be rational for ERs to simply stop accepting all comers, for the same reasons as the FD?  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 10:56 PM   #66 
     - What if the FD had simply not come to the scene?  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 10:59 PM   #72 
     - The FD should have come to the scene if ANYONE called, including the original homeowner.  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:02 PM   #75 
        - That sounds like a good plan..  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 11:04 PM   #82 
           - You can keep misrepresenting my position, but that doesn't make it my position.  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:08 PM   #87 
              - The practical effect will be that the taxpayers of S Fulton will experience higher rates..  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 11:15 PM   #98 
                 - No, that would not be the practical effect. Non-subscribers who pay one-time costs would pay more.  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:22 PM   #103 
                    - Over half of non subscribers in Obion county who utilize fire protection pay nothing ..  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 11:28 PM   #108 
                       - They can sue those who pay nothing, and if they can't recoup the legal fees  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:30 PM   #110 
                          - If they can do so then why haven't they?  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 11:35 PM   #115 
     - Comparing an ER to a fire when no human lives were at stake  Confusious   Oct-07-10 11:14 PM   #97 
        - I never said life and homes are equivalent. I just said the situations are analogous.  BzaDem   Oct-07-10 11:33 PM   #112 
           - An analogy assumes equivalence  Confusious   Oct-08-10 01:53 AM   #150 
              - They won't have to pay more in taxes, because the homeowner offered to pay thousands of dollars  BzaDem   Oct-08-10 02:04 AM   #151 
                 - So I suppose any person employed by a city  Confusious   Oct-08-10 02:11 AM   #152 
                    - The fire department could EASILY have the dispatcher over the phone enter into  BzaDem   Oct-08-10 02:15 AM   #153 
                       - You seem to be trying to twist my words  Confusious   Oct-08-10 02:23 AM   #154 
                          - The dispatcher records all calls. It would be very simple. But EVEN if we assume for the sake of  BzaDem   Oct-08-10 02:31 AM   #155 
                          - The dispatcher records the verbal agreement  Confusious   Oct-08-10 03:28 AM   #159 
                          - everything is so simple for you as it escalate in such complexity and all in verbal contract  seabeyond   Oct-08-10 05:53 AM   #169 
                          - When an ambulance makes an emergency run there is a charge for it.  TexasObserver   Oct-08-10 03:47 AM   #161 
                             - Well explain to me this then  Confusious   Oct-08-10 03:54 AM   #162 
     - The fact you & I are agreeing on something - given our history - is very telling of how deep across  apocalypsehow   Oct-07-10 10:58 PM   #69 
        - all the people i am agreeing  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 11:02 PM   #76 
           - Ain't it wild? LOL - I feel the exact same way. I almost expect to hear Rod Serling narrating...  apocalypsehow   Oct-07-10 11:10 PM   #92 
           - It is really weird, I agree.  distantearlywarning   Oct-08-10 08:43 AM   #176 
              - maybe  seabeyond   Oct-08-10 08:49 AM   #177 
  - 81...  HuckleB   Oct-07-10 10:46 PM   #56 
  - Everyone should be charged $1 per post.  Renew Deal   Oct-07-10 10:59 PM   #71 
  - Not if the army was sent to Afghanistan..  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 11:02 PM   #77 
  - no no really... i did laugh out loud on this one. lol. cute. but send it to orphange fund  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 11:04 PM   #81 
  - Very good point. Either put up or shut up  BrentWil   Oct-07-10 11:02 PM   #78 
  - Yes, that sounds like a good idea.  sabrina 1   Oct-07-10 11:07 PM   #84 
  - This is not for the Cranicks..  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 11:10 PM   #91 
  - Whatever, if it's helping people, fine. I am for supporting 'the common  sabrina 1   Oct-07-10 11:21 PM   #101 
     - Then you are saying you will contribute to a fund to help Obion county establish a FD?  Fumesucker   Oct-07-10 11:24 PM   #105 
        - We have always contributed to our own volunteer FD. Why would I not want to  sabrina 1   Oct-08-10 01:51 AM   #149 
  - ya, cause really this guy has absolutely no ownership in his fuck up.... it is all everyone elses  seabeyond   Oct-07-10 11:10 PM   #93 
     - It isn't about him. It's about a failed system that was thrown  sabrina 1   Oct-07-10 11:19 PM   #100 
        - Huh? Roads are mostly paid for with user taxes. nt  DURHAM D   Oct-07-10 11:27 PM   #107 
  - These SErvices should be provided by the Govt through tax collection  JI7   Oct-07-10 11:54 PM   #128 
  - This is the type of shit Freepers support  JI7   Oct-07-10 11:57 PM   #131 
  - DU should take up a collection  Gormy Cuss   Oct-08-10 12:08 AM   #135 
  - Haven't you noticed the fact that people who normally mostly agree are disagreeing..  Fumesucker   Oct-08-10 12:22 AM   #142 
     - What I've noticed is too many people who are focused on punishing Cranick  Gormy Cuss   Oct-08-10 10:10 AM   #179 
        - then, respectfully, you dont notice well. you are making assumptions.  seabeyond   Oct-08-10 10:19 AM   #180 
        - Oh, I see those posts too.  Gormy Cuss   Oct-08-10 10:34 AM   #182 
           - yes... to your whole post. and yes...  seabeyond   Oct-08-10 10:37 AM   #183 
        - Agreed. The individual is irrelevant to this issue.  TexasObserver   Oct-08-10 10:45 AM   #186 
  - So you don't think Ayn Rand County should have a fire department?  thelordofhell   Oct-08-10 12:13 AM   #138 
  - No, I think they should definitely have an FD..  Fumesucker   Oct-08-10 12:19 AM   #141 
     - I will not give one penny to Ayn Rand County  thelordofhell   Oct-08-10 01:01 AM   #148 
  - Not just no. Hell no.  adamuu   Oct-08-10 02:36 AM   #156 
  - Burn baby Burn!!!!! n/t  JTFrog   Oct-08-10 03:46 AM   #160 
  - I'd rather take a collection to have it bulldozed so I never have to hear about it again.  HEyHEY   Oct-08-10 04:14 AM   #163 
  - Then, why not take up collections for those in foreclosure or unable to pay for health premiums?  DailyGrind51   Oct-08-10 06:31 AM   #170 
  - these people arent in need. they dont want to foot the bill for their protection. not about need  seabeyond   Oct-08-10 07:39 AM   #171 
  - Satire alert.  WinkyDink   Oct-08-10 07:42 AM   #172 
  - If people want to donate, cool.  bigwillq   Oct-08-10 08:02 AM   #173 
  - Just make fires illegal and arrest them on sight. QED  RedCloud   Oct-08-10 08:56 AM   #178 
  - I am thrilled I still had time to unrec this bullshit!  joeybee12   Oct-08-10 10:20 AM   #181 
  - Help me out here  JNelson6563   Oct-08-10 10:40 AM   #184 
  - No, but we should have a fundraiser to fight OCD.  TexasObserver   Oct-08-10 10:43 AM   #185 

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