| 23. I read per $1000 on another site, not DU, if I was wrong I apologize .. |
| -Should DU take up a collection to help Obion county pay for fire protection? |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 08:56 PM |
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yes. n/t |
sohndrsmith |
Oct-07-10 08:58 PM |
#1 |
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I'd be fine with that |
sandnsea |
Oct-07-10 09:00 PM |
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Where did I offer an opinion on whether DU would do such a thing? |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 09:03 PM |
#7 |
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A lot of us are dirt poor, but you may have some success. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Oct-07-10 09:00 PM |
#3 |
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But have no problem demanding that others pay for services you won't pay for nt |
WolverineDG |
Oct-07-10 09:04 PM |
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certainly I would agree |
SargeUNN |
Oct-07-10 09:00 PM |
#4 |
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I pledge $0.00 to the cause. |
JVS |
Oct-07-10 09:01 PM |
#5 |
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Maybe we could each volunteer to pay one $75 scrip. |
LiberalAndProud |
Oct-07-10 09:02 PM |
#6 |
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I think that's actually the fire chief of a different department |
fishwax |
Oct-08-10 12:09 AM |
#136 |
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I'd be more in favor of a collection to help out the poor guy whose house burned down |
derby378 |
Oct-07-10 09:03 PM |
#8 |
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I encourage you to write an OP on that subject.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 09:04 PM |
#9 |
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absolutely - the county legislators need to do the right thing |
TorchTheWitch |
Oct-07-10 09:25 PM |
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county voted to put 2 more municipals on opt out subscribes...they didnt learn a damn thing. |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 09:34 PM |
#14 |
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he's already been paid a couple thousand in temporary housing money & |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-07-10 10:17 PM |
#43 |
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BUT, .... is he going to put aside $75 to subscribe? i wanna know. nt |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 10:26 PM |
#46 |
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wow, your hatred and prejudice on this issue is astounding. |
Bluerthanblue |
Oct-08-10 08:37 AM |
#174 |
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No, this is the county's responsibility |
TorchTheWitch |
Oct-07-10 09:21 PM |
#10 |
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The victims' son, Todd Cranick, still does not know whether he supports a tax for fire protection.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 09:29 PM |
#12 |
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I believe Todd is the guy who assaulted the fire chief, & the father of the young man who started |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-07-10 10:33 PM |
#48 |
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and the man that started his own fire 3 yrs ago and didnt pay then either |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 10:46 PM |
#54 |
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it's kind of odd how that man is connected to fire. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-07-10 10:54 PM |
#64 |
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and the man that started his own fire 3 yrs ago and didnt pay then either |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 10:46 PM |
#55 |
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Todd's actual quote supported tax funded service |
TorchTheWitch |
Oct-08-10 04:39 AM |
#164 |
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.013 per $100 rolled into their taxes.... " loathe to tax themselves so heavily " |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 09:31 PM |
#13 |
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Exactly... |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 09:35 PM |
#15 |
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Per $100. I posted the wrong number in one of my earlier responses. |
LiberalAndProud |
Oct-07-10 09:39 PM |
#18 |
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I read per $1000 on another site, not DU, if I was wrong I apologize .. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 09:46 PM |
#23 |
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well |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 10:00 PM |
#27 |
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Yep, it's late and I'm getting tired and a bit slow.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 10:02 PM |
#30 |
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You're right. Quit moving decimals on me! |
LiberalAndProud |
Oct-07-10 10:42 PM |
#52 |
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i have been lectured it is really really hard coming up with $75 a year. 11.05 is hard |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 10:47 PM |
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Check my math, seabeyond. |
LiberalAndProud |
Oct-07-10 09:37 PM |
#16 |
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i copied |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 09:40 PM |
#19 |
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Since Keith has announced and is promoting such an act |
SargeUNN |
Oct-07-10 09:37 PM |
#17 |
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Not everyone watches TV.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 09:42 PM |
#21 |
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olberman is collecting money for the twit? does he know the guy has |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-07-10 10:25 PM |
#45 |
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Nope. If they don't want to pay annual fees, they can pay for the full cost of any fires. |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 09:40 PM |
#20 |
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If not for the people of Obion county then why not for the poor taxpayers of S Fulton ? |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 09:44 PM |
#22 |
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They don't need to pay more than their fair share if the fire department simply billed unsubscribers |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 09:51 PM |
#24 |
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This would be fine, except |
distantearlywarning |
Oct-07-10 09:53 PM |
#25 |
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You can't sue someone if they are out of your state? |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 10:02 PM |
#29 |
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You can't sue someone if state law says you can't.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 10:05 PM |
#31 |
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Please point me to this place in TN state law. n/t |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 10:06 PM |
#33 |
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South Fulton is in Tennessee. |
LiberalAndProud |
Oct-07-10 10:53 PM |
#62 |
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Then why have over half the people who had a fire extinguished without the benefit of subscription. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 09:57 PM |
#26 |
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i think it is more than half. reading odions fire plan, i read where it said "most" did not pay. |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 10:01 PM |
#28 |
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If they don't pay the bill, they can sue. |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 10:05 PM |
#32 |
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have you run a businesss? nt |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 10:07 PM |
#34 |
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wait... a SUCCESSFUL business? |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 10:07 PM |
#35 |
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The legal question over whether a claim is valid in court has nothing to do with whether or not |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 10:09 PM |
#36 |
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but it does. and since you dont get it, that tells me you are clueless. |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 10:11 PM |
#37 |
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That is true for small amounts. It would not make sense to sue over a few dollars or even a few |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 10:11 PM |
#38 |
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ah... you are gonna get that blood out of that turnup, huh? average income 35K. nt |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 10:14 PM |
#40 |
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Yeah, it might take a few years of garnished wages to pay it off. |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 10:16 PM |
#42 |
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that's |
Common Sense Party |
Oct-07-10 11:07 PM |
#85 |
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well, shit |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 11:08 PM |
#88 |
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No problem. |
Common Sense Party |
Oct-08-10 12:48 AM |
#147 |
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there are 5 municipals that are suppose to get $500 for a call. they are not on subscibe |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 10:13 PM |
#39 |
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The $500/call is if you ALREADY pay the $75. The cost if you didn't pay the $75 would be MUCH higher |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 10:15 PM |
#41 |
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none of it is getting paid.... and neither you nor i know the legalities |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 10:30 PM |
#47 |
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So your entire argument comes down to "if you were right, they wouldn't have let the house burn!" |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 10:42 PM |
#51 |
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you know, take someones words. fabricate a story, and discuss.... |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 10:49 PM |
#59 |
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I rephrased what you said an an equivalent form that happens to make your argument look ridiculous. |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 10:52 PM |
#61 |
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it really is moot. first, ignore the part of you being clueless on legalities. i dont argue |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 10:59 PM |
#73 |
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If you are going to make the radical claim that a verbal contract here isnt valid in a court of law, |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:06 PM |
#83 |
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oh bullshit. look at you back pedal..... ba ha hahaha. |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 11:09 PM |
#90 |
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I'm sure you meant something other than gibberish by that. |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:11 PM |
#94 |
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what? bullshit? or "back pedal"? lol. |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 11:23 PM |
#104 |
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I simply pointed out that you are the one claiming a contract is invalid without giving a theory |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:31 PM |
#111 |
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i said, i am not arguing legalities. i dont know them. you dont know them. how stupid is it |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 11:33 PM |
#113 |
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I do know enough about legalities to know that verbal contracts are valid contracts. |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:44 PM |
#119 |
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county is the one that say must be subscribe. so tell me the rules to a subscribe system. |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 11:52 PM |
#125 |
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All of that is IRRELEVANT if a verbal contract is made on the spot betwen the homeowner and the FD. |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:56 PM |
#130 |
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see, you are clueless on law. one thing,. all there has to be is one thing |
seabeyond |
Oct-08-10 05:31 AM |
#165 |
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Good luck Sea |
JustAmused |
Oct-08-10 12:19 AM |
#140 |
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i need the legalities. i need to know what county allows city to do on counties opt out subscribe |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 11:03 PM |
#80 |
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no, it's not. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-07-10 10:39 PM |
#49 |
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No, what's not? n/t |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 10:41 PM |
#50 |
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i believe the 500 was for the 5 municipal that did not subscribe. right? nt |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 10:50 PM |
#60 |
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Yeah, um count me out of this one. Thanks. |
flvegan |
Oct-07-10 10:22 PM |
#44 |
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I quite honestly have not seen a more absurd debate on DU since I joined - neither side has |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-07-10 10:43 PM |
#53 |
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What's absurd to me is why ANYONE who supports what the FD did could even CLAIM to call themselves |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 10:46 PM |
#57 |
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So...how much cash are you dispatching to Obion County to cover the libertarian deadbeats? |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-07-10 10:56 PM |
#65 |
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None. The FD can bill the cost of their services, and sue if they don't pay. Just like ERs do. |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 10:57 PM |
#67 |
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"None" - That's about what I figured. Point made & discussion concluded. n/t. |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-07-10 10:59 PM |
#70 |
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Of course you would leave the discussion, since you have absolutely no argument whatsoever. |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:03 PM |
#79 |
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Sure I did - and you just made it. |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-08-10 12:29 AM |
#145 |
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Do you think the FD didn't put out the fire because they are heartless bastards? |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 10:58 PM |
#68 |
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Somehow when it comes to someone's life, emergency rooms magically don't have a problem. |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:00 PM |
#74 |
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No one's life was in danger.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 11:08 PM |
#86 |
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Exactly. You admit there are some things where help should be provided before asking about payment. |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:09 PM |
#89 |
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Your point? |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 11:11 PM |
#95 |
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That is my point in its entirety. It speaks for itself. |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:13 PM |
#96 |
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So you equate property, which is covered by insurance in fact, with human life? |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 11:22 PM |
#102 |
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Who said anything about equating? Just because the situations are analogous doesn't mean life and |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:26 PM |
#106 |
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You brought up the example of an ER.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 11:38 PM |
#116 |
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I brought it up because it was an analogous situation. Not the exact same situation. n/t |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:44 PM |
#118 |
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Property, particularly insured property, is not human life.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 11:46 PM |
#120 |
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Do you know what an analogy is? |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:47 PM |
#122 |
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The situation is analogous when human life is at risk from the fire.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 11:50 PM |
#123 |
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The ER doesn't just help people who's life is at risk. n/t |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:52 PM |
#126 |
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Indeed, and not everyone whose life is at risk is helped by the ER.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 11:56 PM |
#129 |
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Let me put it this way. There are people at the ER for which the cost of helping are higher than |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:59 PM |
#132 |
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Your point? |
Fumesucker |
Oct-08-10 12:04 AM |
#133 |
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That ERs don't tend to go bankrupt from helping people and collecting later. n/t |
BzaDem |
Oct-08-10 12:06 AM |
#134 |
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Do over half of the people who use an ER skip payment? |
Fumesucker |
Oct-08-10 12:17 AM |
#139 |
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That affects how MUCH the ER/FD would have to overcharge to other non-subscribers who DO pay |
BzaDem |
Oct-08-10 12:22 AM |
#143 |
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Yes, the taxpayers of S Fulton will pay more.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-08-10 12:36 AM |
#146 |
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no. they charge all us a brazillion more to cover that noncollected fee? so RAISE the tax on city |
seabeyond |
Oct-08-10 05:39 AM |
#166 |
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It's property damage. |
LiberalAndProud |
Oct-08-10 02:47 AM |
#157 |
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The "duress" point is COMPLETELY inapplicable. |
BzaDem |
Oct-08-10 03:03 AM |
#158 |
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prove it. prove a judge wont say, the emotional stress at the time the house was burning |
seabeyond |
Oct-08-10 05:42 AM |
#167 |
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any time there is a fire like this people's lives are in danger. |
Bluerthanblue |
Oct-08-10 08:43 AM |
#175 |
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which hospital is it in which ER admittees not covered by insurance, private pay or |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-07-10 11:16 PM |
#99 |
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That's my point. You are perfectly fine with there being SOME services where help is given and only |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:29 PM |
#109 |
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I lost a paid for home to fire in 1973.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 11:33 PM |
#114 |
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Someone with personal experience can't simultaneously be wrong? n/t |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:46 PM |
#121 |
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My point is I understand what it's like to lose a home.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 11:51 PM |
#124 |
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I never said otherwise. |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:54 PM |
#127 |
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Sure, if those who are being taxed pay more... |
Fumesucker |
Oct-08-10 12:09 AM |
#137 |
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not when the county has repeatedly voted not to fund fire service though it can afford to do so, no. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-07-10 11:43 PM |
#117 |
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LMAO |
JustAmused |
Oct-08-10 12:24 AM |
#144 |
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not only all the answer.... but see how simple it all is. gee, why didnt the municipals figure |
seabeyond |
Oct-08-10 05:46 AM |
#168 |
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It's one of those situations that fractures across the grain of the usual politics.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 10:53 PM |
#63 |
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Would it be rational for ERs to simply stop accepting all comers, for the same reasons as the FD? |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 10:56 PM |
#66 |
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What if the FD had simply not come to the scene? |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 10:59 PM |
#72 |
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The FD should have come to the scene if ANYONE called, including the original homeowner. |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:02 PM |
#75 |
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That sounds like a good plan.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 11:04 PM |
#82 |
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You can keep misrepresenting my position, but that doesn't make it my position. |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:08 PM |
#87 |
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The practical effect will be that the taxpayers of S Fulton will experience higher rates.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 11:15 PM |
#98 |
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No, that would not be the practical effect. Non-subscribers who pay one-time costs would pay more. |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:22 PM |
#103 |
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Over half of non subscribers in Obion county who utilize fire protection pay nothing .. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 11:28 PM |
#108 |
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They can sue those who pay nothing, and if they can't recoup the legal fees |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:30 PM |
#110 |
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If they can do so then why haven't they? |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 11:35 PM |
#115 |
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Comparing an ER to a fire when no human lives were at stake |
Confusious |
Oct-07-10 11:14 PM |
#97 |
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I never said life and homes are equivalent. I just said the situations are analogous. |
BzaDem |
Oct-07-10 11:33 PM |
#112 |
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An analogy assumes equivalence |
Confusious |
Oct-08-10 01:53 AM |
#150 |
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They won't have to pay more in taxes, because the homeowner offered to pay thousands of dollars |
BzaDem |
Oct-08-10 02:04 AM |
#151 |
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So I suppose any person employed by a city |
Confusious |
Oct-08-10 02:11 AM |
#152 |
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The fire department could EASILY have the dispatcher over the phone enter into |
BzaDem |
Oct-08-10 02:15 AM |
#153 |
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You seem to be trying to twist my words |
Confusious |
Oct-08-10 02:23 AM |
#154 |
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The dispatcher records all calls. It would be very simple. But EVEN if we assume for the sake of |
BzaDem |
Oct-08-10 02:31 AM |
#155 |
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The dispatcher records the verbal agreement |
Confusious |
Oct-08-10 03:28 AM |
#159 |
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everything is so simple for you as it escalate in such complexity and all in verbal contract |
seabeyond |
Oct-08-10 05:53 AM |
#169 |
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When an ambulance makes an emergency run there is a charge for it. |
TexasObserver |
Oct-08-10 03:47 AM |
#161 |
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Well explain to me this then |
Confusious |
Oct-08-10 03:54 AM |
#162 |
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The fact you & I are agreeing on something - given our history - is very telling of how deep across |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-07-10 10:58 PM |
#69 |
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all the people i am agreeing |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 11:02 PM |
#76 |
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Ain't it wild? LOL - I feel the exact same way. I almost expect to hear Rod Serling narrating... |
apocalypsehow |
Oct-07-10 11:10 PM |
#92 |
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It is really weird, I agree. |
distantearlywarning |
Oct-08-10 08:43 AM |
#176 |
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maybe |
seabeyond |
Oct-08-10 08:49 AM |
#177 |
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81... |
HuckleB |
Oct-07-10 10:46 PM |
#56 |
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Everyone should be charged $1 per post. |
Renew Deal |
Oct-07-10 10:59 PM |
#71 |
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Not if the army was sent to Afghanistan.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 11:02 PM |
#77 |
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no no really... i did laugh out loud on this one. lol. cute. but send it to orphange fund |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 11:04 PM |
#81 |
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Very good point. Either put up or shut up |
BrentWil |
Oct-07-10 11:02 PM |
#78 |
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Yes, that sounds like a good idea. |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-07-10 11:07 PM |
#84 |
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This is not for the Cranicks.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 11:10 PM |
#91 |
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Whatever, if it's helping people, fine. I am for supporting 'the common |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-07-10 11:21 PM |
#101 |
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Then you are saying you will contribute to a fund to help Obion county establish a FD? |
Fumesucker |
Oct-07-10 11:24 PM |
#105 |
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We have always contributed to our own volunteer FD. Why would I not want to |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-08-10 01:51 AM |
#149 |
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ya, cause really this guy has absolutely no ownership in his fuck up.... it is all everyone elses |
seabeyond |
Oct-07-10 11:10 PM |
#93 |
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It isn't about him. It's about a failed system that was thrown |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-07-10 11:19 PM |
#100 |
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Huh? Roads are mostly paid for with user taxes. nt |
DURHAM D |
Oct-07-10 11:27 PM |
#107 |
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These SErvices should be provided by the Govt through tax collection |
JI7 |
Oct-07-10 11:54 PM |
#128 |
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This is the type of shit Freepers support |
JI7 |
Oct-07-10 11:57 PM |
#131 |
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DU should take up a collection |
Gormy Cuss |
Oct-08-10 12:08 AM |
#135 |
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Haven't you noticed the fact that people who normally mostly agree are disagreeing.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-08-10 12:22 AM |
#142 |
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What I've noticed is too many people who are focused on punishing Cranick |
Gormy Cuss |
Oct-08-10 10:10 AM |
#179 |
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then, respectfully, you dont notice well. you are making assumptions. |
seabeyond |
Oct-08-10 10:19 AM |
#180 |
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Oh, I see those posts too. |
Gormy Cuss |
Oct-08-10 10:34 AM |
#182 |
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yes... to your whole post. and yes... |
seabeyond |
Oct-08-10 10:37 AM |
#183 |
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Agreed. The individual is irrelevant to this issue. |
TexasObserver |
Oct-08-10 10:45 AM |
#186 |
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So you don't think Ayn Rand County should have a fire department? |
thelordofhell |
Oct-08-10 12:13 AM |
#138 |
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No, I think they should definitely have an FD.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-08-10 12:19 AM |
#141 |
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I will not give one penny to Ayn Rand County |
thelordofhell |
Oct-08-10 01:01 AM |
#148 |
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Not just no. Hell no. |
adamuu |
Oct-08-10 02:36 AM |
#156 |
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Burn baby Burn!!!!! n/t |
JTFrog |
Oct-08-10 03:46 AM |
#160 |
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I'd rather take a collection to have it bulldozed so I never have to hear about it again. |
HEyHEY |
Oct-08-10 04:14 AM |
#163 |
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Then, why not take up collections for those in foreclosure or unable to pay for health premiums? |
DailyGrind51 |
Oct-08-10 06:31 AM |
#170 |
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these people arent in need. they dont want to foot the bill for their protection. not about need |
seabeyond |
Oct-08-10 07:39 AM |
#171 |
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Satire alert. |
WinkyDink |
Oct-08-10 07:42 AM |
#172 |
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If people want to donate, cool. |
bigwillq |
Oct-08-10 08:02 AM |
#173 |
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Just make fires illegal and arrest them on sight. QED |
RedCloud |
Oct-08-10 08:56 AM |
#178 |
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I am thrilled I still had time to unrec this bullshit! |
joeybee12 |
Oct-08-10 10:20 AM |
#181 |
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Help me out here |
JNelson6563 |
Oct-08-10 10:40 AM |
#184 |
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No, but we should have a fundraiser to fight OCD. |
TexasObserver |
Oct-08-10 10:43 AM |
#185 |
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