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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 01:58 PM
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43. under art 1 sec 8 Congress raises the military and
therefore has the authority to set the terms of service. An EO can't supercede that authority.
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  -President Obama has the authority to suspend discharges under DADT immediately. VMI Dem  Oct-04-10 11:59 AM   #0 
  - K&R. But he won't do the right thing.  katandmoon   Oct-04-10 12:00 PM   #1 
  - That will give Congress less incentive to repeal the law  frazzled   Oct-04-10 12:06 PM   #2 
  - the excuse you are making was believable before the senate struck it down anyway.  no limit   Oct-04-10 12:13 PM   #9 
  - Right....  Cid_B   Oct-04-10 12:06 PM   #3 
  - Is this a joke?  Dappleganger   Oct-04-10 12:09 PM   #5 
  - Sadly, no it's not.  VMI Dem   Oct-04-10 12:10 PM   #6 
  - Ok, thanks.  Dappleganger   Oct-04-10 01:23 PM   #31 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-04-10 12:11 PM   #7 
  - Actually, no -  polmaven   Oct-06-10 09:37 AM   #100 
  - posted in the wrong place sorry  Erose999   Oct-04-10 12:47 PM   #22 
  - Because we should cater to the homophobes and bigots in the military. I mean its perfectly OK for  Erose999   Oct-04-10 12:50 PM   #24 
  - That assumes that you absolutely must be a bigot...  Cid_B   Oct-04-10 12:55 PM   #26 
     - Are there any competing theories? Forgive me if I think civil rights  Erose999   Oct-04-10 01:19 PM   #29 
        - I'd like repeal that has a chance of passing SCOTUS.  msanthrope   Oct-04-10 01:29 PM   #33 
  - To argue this point effectively...  Orsino   Oct-04-10 02:01 PM   #45 
  - And perhaps it is.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Oct-04-10 05:01 PM   #73 
     - The light that phrasing casts you in is one of severe homphobia...  Orsino   Oct-05-10 06:58 AM   #92 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-04-10 02:07 PM   #48 
  - I'll give you a hint...  Cid_B   Oct-04-10 02:17 PM   #53 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-04-10 02:32 PM   #55 
        - I'll give you another hint...  Cid_B   Oct-04-10 02:41 PM   #56 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-04-10 02:45 PM   #58 
           - The solid plan is the same one we've used before...  Orsino   Oct-05-10 07:07 AM   #93 
  - Actually that would be... the 4th point of contact  USArmyParatrooper   Oct-04-10 04:21 PM   #70 
  - Did you C&P that from an anti-integration screed attacking Truman circa 1948?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Oct-04-10 04:56 PM   #72 
  - No. The bottom line is civil rights. The soldiers  JerseygirlCT   Oct-04-10 07:11 PM   #79 
  - But the danger here is that our troops...  Orsino   Oct-05-10 07:11 AM   #94 
     - Yeah, there's that... nt  JerseygirlCT   Oct-05-10 02:14 PM   #97 
  - Actually, it boils down to  Marr   Oct-04-10 08:02 PM   #85 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-04-10 12:07 PM   #4 
  - "?"  jaxx   Oct-04-10 12:44 PM   #21 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-04-10 12:12 PM   #8 
  - obey the constitution Obama, do not break the law  mkultra   Oct-04-10 12:14 PM   #10 
  - He uses a lot of Bush era tactics and programs. One more is good in this case.  speppin   Oct-04-10 12:16 PM   #11 
     - no he doesnt and no thanks.  mkultra   Oct-04-10 12:33 PM   #15 
        - Yes, he does. Is rendition constitutional? How about warrentless wiretapping?  no limit   Oct-04-10 12:39 PM   #17 
        - Obama Employs Bush Administration Tactic, Blocks Photos........  speppin   Oct-04-10 12:50 PM   #23 
           - How about something that isn't a blog or editorial?  USArmyParatrooper   Oct-04-10 04:22 PM   #71 
              - LOL  speppin   Oct-04-10 07:19 PM   #81 
  - What authority? DADT is a law. Does the Prez. really have the power to break laws?  Dawgs   Oct-04-10 12:19 PM   #12 
  - he can break them without recourse  mkultra   Oct-04-10 12:35 PM   #16 
  - He is the commander in chief. One signature would stop the military from firing gays  no limit   Oct-04-10 12:40 PM   #19 
  - completely wrong. As CIC he still has to follow the law.  msanthrope   Oct-04-10 01:14 PM   #27 
     - But he can determine to what extent that law is enforced.  Erose999   Oct-04-10 01:21 PM   #30 
     - Not quite. The DADT statute has two parts---  msanthrope   Oct-04-10 01:38 PM   #34 
     - No, not completely wrong. Exactly correct as a matter of fact  no limit   Oct-04-10 01:52 PM   #38 
        - EO's don't override laws. DADT is a law. n/t  msanthrope   Oct-04-10 02:06 PM   #47 
           - It will prevent gays from being discharged from the military, effectively ending DADT  no limit   Oct-04-10 02:14 PM   #51 
              - No--it won't. Or, explain exactly how an EO overrides a statute and describe  msanthrope   Oct-04-10 02:43 PM   #57 
                 - The EO is an order to all people that work for the white house, which includes the DoD  no limit   Oct-04-10 02:58 PM   #60 
                    - An Eo does not override the laws of Congress.  msanthrope   Oct-04-10 03:20 PM   #62 
                       - Jim crow laws were actual laws preventing blacks from serving equally in the military  no limit   Oct-04-10 03:28 PM   #63 
                          - Your Wiki link doesn't work---  msanthrope   Oct-04-10 03:34 PM   #66 
                             - That is the report I am talking about. You are telling me no military lawyers were a part of it?  no limit   Oct-04-10 04:16 PM   #68 
                                - Yes. The lead author is a Poli-Sci teacher....  msanthrope   Oct-04-10 06:36 PM   #74 
                                   - I conceded your point on Jim Crow, you are absolutely right, they were state laws  no limit   Oct-04-10 06:45 PM   #75 
                                      - As I noted above,  msanthrope   Oct-04-10 07:54 PM   #82 
  - Funny that you use the words authority and law together regarding an issue that is pure and simple  AuntPatsy   Oct-04-10 02:21 PM   #54 
  - Congress will have no political will to permanently do anything if Obama does that.  Renew Deal   Oct-04-10 12:23 PM   #13 
  - As if they have the political will now. Did you not pay attention 2 weeks ago?  no limit   Oct-04-10 12:42 PM   #20 
     - They'll get there  Renew Deal   Oct-04-10 01:26 PM   #32 
        - Oh bullshit. The democrats didn't even want to play chicken, they gave up instantly  no limit   Oct-04-10 01:50 PM   #37 
           - Unless something has changed...  Renew Deal   Oct-04-10 01:57 PM   #40 
              - I don't really believe that based on what dems have said. You are convinced it will stay in there?  no limit   Oct-04-10 02:15 PM   #52 
  - Don't hold your breath.  joe black   Oct-04-10 12:30 PM   #14 
  - I think an Executive Order would be appropriate and timely.  Jester Messiah   Oct-04-10 12:40 PM   #18 
  - I concur.  speppin   Oct-04-10 12:50 PM   #25 
  - except that an EO wouldn't override a statute.  msanthrope   Oct-04-10 01:17 PM   #28 
  - Gonna need some help there.  Jester Messiah   Oct-04-10 01:42 PM   #35 
  - He doesnt have carte blanche  mkultra   Oct-04-10 01:48 PM   #36 
  - under art 1 sec 8 Congress raises the military and  msanthrope   Oct-04-10 01:58 PM   #43 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-04-10 02:13 PM   #50 
     - No, I'm right, and I agree with Biden--an EO would not work---  msanthrope   Oct-04-10 03:11 PM   #61 
  - Yet to sell it, he would have to take a firm stand...  Orsino   Oct-04-10 01:57 PM   #41 
  - Waffled?  Renew Deal   Oct-04-10 02:00 PM   #44 
     - Doesn't get much clearer than that! [nt]  Jester Messiah   Oct-04-10 02:02 PM   #46 
     - He opposes marriage equality.  Orsino   Oct-05-10 07:17 AM   #95 
  - Do you realize that right wingers will argue that "Executive Order would be appropriate and timely"  Renew Deal   Oct-04-10 01:58 PM   #42 
  - didn't Truman end racial segregation in the military with an executive order?  yurbud   Oct-04-10 01:54 PM   #39 
  - He could, because it was policy, and not a law.  msanthrope   Oct-04-10 02:46 PM   #59 
     - Is there a LAW forbidding gays from serving in the military?  yurbud   Oct-05-10 01:27 AM   #90 
        - DADT is enacted in Federal Law...  SidDithers   Oct-06-10 09:29 AM   #98 
           - thank you!  yurbud   Oct-06-10 03:14 PM   #101 
  - Hopefully he does do this, especially since he kept his side of the deal up  MadHound   Oct-04-10 02:10 PM   #49 
  - I think you are mischaracterizing the deal--  msanthrope   Oct-04-10 03:28 PM   #64 
     - Go listen to the Maddow interview  MadHound   Oct-04-10 07:07 PM   #76 
        - Dude, I just quoted the interview, upthread. Biden supports repeal, not an EO  msanthrope   Oct-04-10 08:41 PM   #86 
        - But that's not what Biden said  ruggerson   Oct-04-10 09:31 PM   #89 
        - You are completely correct MadHound  ruggerson   Oct-04-10 09:26 PM   #88 
  - He should have done that his first day in office  JerseygirlCT   Oct-04-10 03:30 PM   #65 
  - He didn't, because an EO doesn't override a statute of Congress. n/t  msanthrope   Oct-04-10 03:51 PM   #67 
     - He could have issued an EO not to override Congress, but  JerseygirlCT   Oct-04-10 07:09 PM   #77 
        - That is overriding Congress---  msanthrope   Oct-04-10 07:56 PM   #83 
  - I'm sure it is not that simple or that easy  treestar   Oct-04-10 04:20 PM   #69 
  - Shouldn't we at least stop the bleeding?  MadHound   Oct-04-10 07:10 PM   #78 
  - But... but... the USA is just not *ready* for blacks to be able to sit at lunch counters with whites  Nye Bevan   Oct-04-10 07:12 PM   #80 
  - Your example is the first thing I think of whenever this shit comes up.  Poll_Blind   Oct-04-10 07:57 PM   #84 
  - If he does, I will eat a hat.  Starry Messenger   Oct-04-10 08:45 PM   #87 
  - The utter lack of leadership from this Admin on DADT is shameful.  BlueIris   Oct-05-10 02:56 AM   #91 
  - He doesn't think it's right though.  Forkboy   Oct-05-10 07:43 AM   #96 
  - Why do people conveniently forget we have an election coming up?  WeekendWarrior   Oct-06-10 09:31 AM   #99 

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