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Sun May-20-07 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #87 |
| 89. By little guys you mean small businesses? n/t |
| -Hee hee hee "It's an Illegal Employer Problem" |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 07:50 PM |
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Any bill in my mind must include 3 things |
Selatius |
May-19-07 07:54 PM |
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Name removed |
May-19-07 07:57 PM |
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Exactly what is your point of disagreement, if I may politely ask? |
Selatius |
May-19-07 07:58 PM |
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Here here - good point |
Robson |
May-19-07 07:57 PM |
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At this point, amnesty is at the top of the list. These would simply be rider provisions tacked on. |
Selatius |
May-19-07 07:59 PM |
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Hartmann disagrees with you on the "security" issue... |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 07:59 PM |
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I'm not for building a wall but merely ensuring that it can be monitored |
Selatius |
May-19-07 08:02 PM |
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Too expensive - take out the Illegal Employers - problem... |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 08:03 PM |
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At this point, it's too expensive, given the war eating up the budget and resources. |
Selatius |
May-19-07 08:09 PM |
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Well, if Hartmann's correct,, there's no need of either a wall or |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 08:13 PM |
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Yes, but I generally find it prudent to secure it due to gun/drug smuggling. |
Selatius |
May-19-07 08:17 PM |
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I thought gun-running was a U.S. gov't and corporate past-time... |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 08:29 PM |
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The guns are going in the other direction. |
High Plains |
May-20-07 01:38 PM |
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Actually didn't we Americans build the wall in Gaza? |
Robson |
May-19-07 08:20 PM |
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While I might order the priorities differently, I completely agree. |
TahitiNut |
May-19-07 08:29 PM |
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Excellent! |
Opposite Reaction |
May-20-07 02:24 PM |
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I have said for some time here... Hit the employers |
wakeme2008 |
May-19-07 08:00 PM |
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No need to "catch and release" if the Illegal Employers are |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 08:11 PM |
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Treat the employers like they treat low level drug dealers. |
Dr.Phool |
May-19-07 08:11 PM |
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The middle class, the working class, the working-poor class, |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 08:17 PM |
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Oh, what a horrid vision. Predatory policing for profit. |
High Plains |
May-20-07 01:40 PM |
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Simplest thing in the world to avoid, don't hire illegal immigrants. n/t |
greyhound1966 |
May-20-07 02:19 PM |
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Thom's Been Talking About This For Awhile |
mntleo2 |
May-19-07 08:04 PM |
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He said it very well in this article - glad I was able to find the link |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 08:06 PM |
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Which corporate thugs are you talking about? |
High Plains |
May-20-07 01:44 PM |
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Agri-business, casinos, cleaning services, domestic servants... |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 01:56 PM |
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Corporations lure illegals here |
demga |
May-19-07 08:20 PM |
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second the emotion. |
Jack Sprat |
May-19-07 08:30 PM |
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WHEN do we see bills in Congress to go after the Corporations |
Donnachaidh |
May-19-07 08:41 PM |
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Nevada tried on Monday - interesting results... |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 08:50 PM |
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Oh -- so businesses have the RIGHT to hire illegals? |
Donnachaidh |
May-20-07 12:11 PM |
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Amazing, isn't it? |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 12:56 PM |
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I love the way people are framing this argument |
Donnachaidh |
May-20-07 01:25 PM |
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Very good point! |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 01:35 PM |
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I remember it too |
Donnachaidh |
May-20-07 01:57 PM |
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Thanks for confirming that. |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 01:58 PM |
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How about an amnesty program for illegal employment informants? |
L. Coyote |
May-19-07 08:48 PM |
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Hmm, I wonder if INS really needs informants. |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 08:54 PM |
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Just what America needs: More snitches, more snitch culture |
High Plains |
May-20-07 01:56 PM |
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right on |
frogcycle |
May-19-07 09:14 PM |
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I think you said it perfectly... |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 09:19 PM |
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You can bet your sweet ass that the working conditions would be fine ... |
TahitiNut |
May-19-07 11:02 PM |
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K&R! |
Viva_La_Revolution |
May-19-07 09:42 PM |
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Corporate Death Penalty - Count me in! That PERFECT! |
TankLV |
May-19-07 10:12 PM |
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Why that's racist to the core. Just what sort of bigot would attack |
hansberrym |
May-20-07 01:07 AM |
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Your post is "funny" - in a painful sort of a way. |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 10:00 AM |
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LOL! |
greyhound1966 |
May-20-07 04:11 PM |
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HOLD IT, kids. The problem with corps isn't that they're not subject to |
snot |
May-20-07 01:11 AM |
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Not if the officers of the corporation face individual criminal penalties. |
TahitiNut |
May-20-07 01:19 AM |
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And after enough times - it's not worth the time and effort to |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 08:56 AM |
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Like convicted pedophiles are prohibited from being around children |
MindPilot |
May-20-07 11:11 AM |
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Yep, and no more going on the "talk curcuit" and making big |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 11:27 AM |
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Reforming takes time. |
Opposite Reaction |
May-20-07 02:36 PM |
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Morning kick....n/t |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 09:43 AM |
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Capital punishment's perhaps harsh |
dave_p |
May-20-07 10:49 AM |
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It's supposed to be harsh...that's the "incentive" to keep them |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 10:54 AM |
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But ... |
dave_p |
May-20-07 02:24 PM |
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Same coin, different sides? |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 02:35 PM |
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Oh yes |
dave_p |
May-20-07 02:37 PM |
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They'll get the wrong employers |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 11:04 AM |
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So, write the laws accordingly - put a number or a percentage |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 11:10 AM |
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Before that, though |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 11:15 AM |
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As much as I distrust those systems you list, I wonder if the |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 11:33 AM |
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If the small-time guy is hiring illegals, why should he be treated any different |
Donnachaidh |
May-20-07 12:08 PM |
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Existing laws are sufficient to determine culpability. |
TahitiNut |
May-20-07 12:25 PM |
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Ah, and...remember the casinos - another group of corporate |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 12:30 PM |
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NO -- we're talking about EMPLOYERS that hire ILLEGAL workers |
Donnachaidh |
May-20-07 01:17 PM |
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Well, I doubt the big guys will ever go down. |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 01:33 PM |
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Fine -- it's ludicrous -- Got a BETTER solution? |
Donnachaidh |
May-20-07 01:36 PM |
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I'm from California, and I tend to think |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 01:47 PM |
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LOL |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 01:57 PM |
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oh that's a real solution |
Donnachaidh |
May-20-07 01:58 PM |
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Well, it is a real problem. |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 02:05 PM |
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Supporting the status quo means doing NOTHING |
Donnachaidh |
May-20-07 02:09 PM |
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I'm not saying either "solution" is great |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 02:18 PM |
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I think most of America would agree with that. The "Californication" of states all over the |
greyhound1966 |
May-20-07 02:13 PM |
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And we would be very happy here |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 02:15 PM |
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As was pointed out to you on the other thread, to simply concede is to make |
greyhound1966 |
May-20-07 02:17 PM |
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Great, yeah |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 02:21 PM |
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Don't know if you're being purposely obtuse or if you just can't keep the |
greyhound1966 |
May-20-07 02:24 PM |
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See above |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 02:27 PM |
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By little guys you mean small businesses? n/t |
greyhound1966 |
May-20-07 02:31 PM |
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Yes. nt |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 02:34 PM |
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No, we're talking about shutting down one or possibly two local grocery stores. Once |
greyhound1966 |
May-20-07 02:47 PM |
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This thread is about going after Illegal Employers rather than |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 02:29 PM |
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Well, I'm not a big fan of a lot of the laws on the books |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 02:33 PM |
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So, how much exploitation of workers is enough to justify doing |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 02:54 PM |
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I just hate cops more than anything, which outpaces any economic argument |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 03:09 PM |
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Since I've already typed it above, see my thoughts on this |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 03:44 PM |
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You say business is business, |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 04:26 PM |
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Well, I don't, actually say that - but I get your point. |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 04:33 PM |
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We need to go up and down the scales |
catmandu57 |
May-20-07 11:15 AM |
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Yep, but I do like the idea of starting with the largest offenders... |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 11:28 AM |
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I like this train of thought. |
FLDem5 |
May-20-07 12:10 PM |
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Yes Mr Schieffer -illegal employers and the emloyees who slave for them |
upi402 |
May-20-07 01:00 PM |
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K & R |
greyhound1966 |
May-20-07 01:10 PM |
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Did you see my post #25 - they actually tried something like this |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 01:38 PM |
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And what about the concerns expressed by the ACLU? |
High Plains |
May-20-07 02:03 PM |
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I read the text of the proposed bill... |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 02:16 PM |
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Saw it, but at least they tried and the possibility remains to try again |
greyhound1966 |
May-20-07 02:04 PM |
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I hope you're right. |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 02:19 PM |
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Maybe we should start rebuilding |
A wise Man |
May-20-07 02:33 PM |
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Nice post. |
Opposite Reaction |
May-20-07 02:36 PM |
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Thank you. |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 02:46 PM |
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CORPORATE DEATH PENALTY !!! An idea LONG OVERDUE !!! nt |
eppur_se_muova |
May-20-07 06:30 PM |
#105 |
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