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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #43
46. Yep, but I do like the idea of starting with the largest offenders...
that might put a chill on those with less to gain and more to lose; like those you listed.



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  -Hee hee hee "It's an Illegal Employer Problem" Cerridwen  May-19-07 07:50 PM   #0 
  - Any bill in my mind must include 3 things  Selatius   May-19-07 07:54 PM   #1 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-19-07 07:57 PM   #2 
  - Exactly what is your point of disagreement, if I may politely ask?  Selatius   May-19-07 07:58 PM   #4 
  - Here here - good point  Robson   May-19-07 07:57 PM   #3 
  - At this point, amnesty is at the top of the list. These would simply be rider provisions tacked on.  Selatius   May-19-07 07:59 PM   #6 
  - Hartmann disagrees with you on the "security" issue...  Cerridwen   May-19-07 07:59 PM   #5 
  - I'm not for building a wall but merely ensuring that it can be monitored  Selatius   May-19-07 08:02 PM   #8 
     - Too expensive - take out the Illegal Employers - problem...  Cerridwen   May-19-07 08:03 PM   #9 
        - At this point, it's too expensive, given the war eating up the budget and resources.  Selatius   May-19-07 08:09 PM   #12 
           - Well, if Hartmann's correct,, there's no need of either a wall or  Cerridwen   May-19-07 08:13 PM   #15 
           - Yes, but I generally find it prudent to secure it due to gun/drug smuggling.  Selatius   May-19-07 08:17 PM   #17 
              - I thought gun-running was a U.S. gov't and corporate past-time...  Cerridwen   May-19-07 08:29 PM   #20 
              - The guns are going in the other direction.  High Plains   May-20-07 01:38 PM   #61 
           - Actually didn't we Americans build the wall in Gaza?  Robson   May-19-07 08:20 PM   #19 
  - While I might order the priorities differently, I completely agree.  TahitiNut   May-19-07 08:29 PM   #21 
  - Excellent!  Opposite Reaction   May-20-07 02:24 PM   #85 
  - I have said for some time here... Hit the employers  wakeme2008   May-19-07 08:00 PM   #7 
  - No need to "catch and release" if the Illegal Employers are  Cerridwen   May-19-07 08:11 PM   #13 
  - Treat the employers like they treat low level drug dealers.  Dr.Phool   May-19-07 08:11 PM   #14 
  - The middle class, the working class, the working-poor class,  Cerridwen   May-19-07 08:17 PM   #16 
  - Oh, what a horrid vision. Predatory policing for profit.  High Plains   May-20-07 01:40 PM   #63 
     - Simplest thing in the world to avoid, don't hire illegal immigrants. n/t  greyhound1966   May-20-07 02:19 PM   #81 
  - Thom's Been Talking About This For Awhile  mntleo2   May-19-07 08:04 PM   #10 
  - He said it very well in this article - glad I was able to find the link  Cerridwen   May-19-07 08:06 PM   #11 
  - Which corporate thugs are you talking about?  High Plains   May-20-07 01:44 PM   #64 
     - Agri-business, casinos, cleaning services, domestic servants...  Cerridwen   May-20-07 01:56 PM   #67 
  - Corporations lure illegals here  demga   May-19-07 08:20 PM   #18 
  - second the emotion.  Jack Sprat   May-19-07 08:30 PM   #22 
  - WHEN do we see bills in Congress to go after the Corporations  Donnachaidh   May-19-07 08:41 PM   #23 
  - Nevada tried on Monday - interesting results...  Cerridwen   May-19-07 08:50 PM   #25 
     - Oh -- so businesses have the RIGHT to hire illegals?  Donnachaidh   May-20-07 12:11 PM   #50 
        - Amazing, isn't it?  Cerridwen   May-20-07 12:56 PM   #53 
           - I love the way people are framing this argument  Donnachaidh   May-20-07 01:25 PM   #57 
              - Very good point!  Cerridwen   May-20-07 01:35 PM   #59 
                 - I remember it too  Donnachaidh   May-20-07 01:57 PM   #68 
                    - Thanks for confirming that.  Cerridwen   May-20-07 01:58 PM   #71 
  - How about an amnesty program for illegal employment informants?  L. Coyote   May-19-07 08:48 PM   #24 
  - Hmm, I wonder if INS really needs informants.  Cerridwen   May-19-07 08:54 PM   #26 
  - Just what America needs: More snitches, more snitch culture  High Plains   May-20-07 01:56 PM   #66 
  - right on  frogcycle   May-19-07 09:14 PM   #27 
  - I think you said it perfectly...  Cerridwen   May-19-07 09:19 PM   #28 
     - You can bet your sweet ass that the working conditions would be fine ...  TahitiNut   May-19-07 11:02 PM   #31 
  - K&R!  Viva_La_Revolution   May-19-07 09:42 PM   #29 
  - Corporate Death Penalty - Count me in! That PERFECT!  TankLV   May-19-07 10:12 PM   #30 
  - Why that's racist to the core. Just what sort of bigot would attack  hansberrym   May-20-07 01:07 AM   #32 
  - Your post is "funny" - in a painful sort of a way.  Cerridwen   May-20-07 10:00 AM   #37 
  - LOL!  greyhound1966   May-20-07 04:11 PM   #102 
  - HOLD IT, kids. The problem with corps isn't that they're not subject to  snot   May-20-07 01:11 AM   #33 
  - Not if the officers of the corporation face individual criminal penalties.  TahitiNut   May-20-07 01:19 AM   #34 
  - And after enough times - it's not worth the time and effort to  Cerridwen   May-20-07 08:56 AM   #35 
  - Like convicted pedophiles are prohibited from being around children  MindPilot   May-20-07 11:11 AM   #42 
     - Yep, and no more going on the "talk curcuit" and making big  Cerridwen   May-20-07 11:27 AM   #45 
  - Reforming takes time.  Opposite Reaction   May-20-07 02:36 PM   #94 
  - Morning kick....n/t  Cerridwen   May-20-07 09:43 AM   #36 
  - Capital punishment's perhaps harsh  dave_p   May-20-07 10:49 AM   #38 
     - It's supposed to be harsh...that's the "incentive" to keep them  Cerridwen   May-20-07 10:54 AM   #39 
        - But ...  dave_p   May-20-07 02:24 PM   #84 
           - Same coin, different sides?  Cerridwen   May-20-07 02:35 PM   #93 
              - Oh yes  dave_p   May-20-07 02:37 PM   #96 
  - They'll get the wrong employers  Jed Dilligan   May-20-07 11:04 AM   #40 
  - So, write the laws accordingly - put a number or a percentage  Cerridwen   May-20-07 11:10 AM   #41 
  - Before that, though  Jed Dilligan   May-20-07 11:15 AM   #44 
     - As much as I distrust those systems you list, I wonder if the  Cerridwen   May-20-07 11:33 AM   #47 
  - If the small-time guy is hiring illegals, why should he be treated any different  Donnachaidh   May-20-07 12:08 PM   #48 
     - Existing laws are sufficient to determine culpability.  TahitiNut   May-20-07 12:25 PM   #51 
     - Ah, and...remember the casinos - another group of corporate  Cerridwen   May-20-07 12:30 PM   #52 
     - NO -- we're talking about EMPLOYERS that hire ILLEGAL workers  Donnachaidh   May-20-07 01:17 PM   #56 
     - Well, I doubt the big guys will ever go down.  Jed Dilligan   May-20-07 01:33 PM   #58 
        - Fine -- it's ludicrous -- Got a BETTER solution?  Donnachaidh   May-20-07 01:36 PM   #60 
        - I'm from California, and I tend to think  Jed Dilligan   May-20-07 01:47 PM   #65 
           - LOL  Cerridwen   May-20-07 01:57 PM   #69 
           - oh that's a real solution  Donnachaidh   May-20-07 01:58 PM   #70 
           - Well, it is a real problem.  Jed Dilligan   May-20-07 02:05 PM   #74 
              - Supporting the status quo means doing NOTHING  Donnachaidh   May-20-07 02:09 PM   #75 
                 - I'm not saying either "solution" is great  Jed Dilligan   May-20-07 02:18 PM   #80 
           - I think most of America would agree with that. The "Californication" of states all over the  greyhound1966   May-20-07 02:13 PM   #76 
              - And we would be very happy here  Jed Dilligan   May-20-07 02:15 PM   #77 
        - As was pointed out to you on the other thread, to simply concede is to make  greyhound1966   May-20-07 02:17 PM   #79 
           - Great, yeah  Jed Dilligan   May-20-07 02:21 PM   #83 
              - Don't know if you're being purposely obtuse or if you just can't keep the  greyhound1966   May-20-07 02:24 PM   #86 
              - See above  Jed Dilligan   May-20-07 02:27 PM   #87 
                 - By little guys you mean small businesses? n/t  greyhound1966   May-20-07 02:31 PM   #89 
                    - Yes. nt  Jed Dilligan   May-20-07 02:34 PM   #92 
                       - No, we're talking about shutting down one or possibly two local grocery stores. Once  greyhound1966   May-20-07 02:47 PM   #98 
              - This thread is about going after Illegal Employers rather than  Cerridwen   May-20-07 02:29 PM   #88 
                 - Well, I'm not a big fan of a lot of the laws on the books  Jed Dilligan   May-20-07 02:33 PM   #91 
                    - So, how much exploitation of workers is enough to justify doing  Cerridwen   May-20-07 02:54 PM   #99 
                       - I just hate cops more than anything, which outpaces any economic argument  Jed Dilligan   May-20-07 03:09 PM   #100 
                          - Since I've already typed it above, see my thoughts on this  Cerridwen   May-20-07 03:44 PM   #101 
                             - You say business is business,  Jed Dilligan   May-20-07 04:26 PM   #103 
                                - Well, I don't, actually say that - but I get your point.  Cerridwen   May-20-07 04:33 PM   #104 
  - We need to go up and down the scales  catmandu57   May-20-07 11:15 AM   #43 
  - Yep, but I do like the idea of starting with the largest offenders...  Cerridwen   May-20-07 11:28 AM   #46 
  - I like this train of thought.  FLDem5   May-20-07 12:10 PM   #49 
  - Yes Mr Schieffer -illegal employers and the emloyees who slave for them  upi402   May-20-07 01:00 PM   #54 
  - K & R  greyhound1966   May-20-07 01:10 PM   #55 
  - Did you see my post #25 - they actually tried something like this  Cerridwen   May-20-07 01:38 PM   #62 
     - And what about the concerns expressed by the ACLU?  High Plains   May-20-07 02:03 PM   #72 
     - I read the text of the proposed bill...  Cerridwen   May-20-07 02:16 PM   #78 
     - Saw it, but at least they tried and the possibility remains to try again  greyhound1966   May-20-07 02:04 PM   #73 
        - I hope you're right.  Cerridwen   May-20-07 02:19 PM   #82 
  - Maybe we should start rebuilding  A wise Man   May-20-07 02:33 PM   #90 
  - Nice post.  Opposite Reaction   May-20-07 02:36 PM   #95 
  - Thank you.  Cerridwen   May-20-07 02:46 PM   #97 
  - CORPORATE DEATH PENALTY !!! An idea LONG OVERDUE !!! nt  eppur_se_muova   May-20-07 06:30 PM   #105 
 

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