Cerridwen
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Sat May-19-07 07:59 PM
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| 5. Hartmann disagrees with you on the "security" issue... |
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Easy, simple, cheap, painless. No fence required. No mass deportations necessary. No need for Homeland Security to get involved. When jobs are not available, most undocumented workers will simply leave the country (as they always did before), or begin the normal process to obtain citizenship that millions (including my own sister-in-law - this hits many of us close to home) go through each year. Not saying he's not for "national security" just that in this instance it's a non-issue. |
| -Hee hee hee "It's an Illegal Employer Problem" |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 07:50 PM |
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Any bill in my mind must include 3 things |
Selatius |
May-19-07 07:54 PM |
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May-19-07 07:57 PM |
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Exactly what is your point of disagreement, if I may politely ask? |
Selatius |
May-19-07 07:58 PM |
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Here here - good point |
Robson |
May-19-07 07:57 PM |
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At this point, amnesty is at the top of the list. These would simply be rider provisions tacked on. |
Selatius |
May-19-07 07:59 PM |
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Hartmann disagrees with you on the "security" issue... |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 07:59 PM |
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I'm not for building a wall but merely ensuring that it can be monitored |
Selatius |
May-19-07 08:02 PM |
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Too expensive - take out the Illegal Employers - problem... |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 08:03 PM |
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At this point, it's too expensive, given the war eating up the budget and resources. |
Selatius |
May-19-07 08:09 PM |
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Well, if Hartmann's correct,, there's no need of either a wall or |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 08:13 PM |
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Yes, but I generally find it prudent to secure it due to gun/drug smuggling. |
Selatius |
May-19-07 08:17 PM |
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I thought gun-running was a U.S. gov't and corporate past-time... |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 08:29 PM |
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The guns are going in the other direction. |
High Plains |
May-20-07 01:38 PM |
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Actually didn't we Americans build the wall in Gaza? |
Robson |
May-19-07 08:20 PM |
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While I might order the priorities differently, I completely agree. |
TahitiNut |
May-19-07 08:29 PM |
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Excellent! |
Opposite Reaction |
May-20-07 02:24 PM |
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I have said for some time here... Hit the employers |
wakeme2008 |
May-19-07 08:00 PM |
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No need to "catch and release" if the Illegal Employers are |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 08:11 PM |
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Treat the employers like they treat low level drug dealers. |
Dr.Phool |
May-19-07 08:11 PM |
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The middle class, the working class, the working-poor class, |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 08:17 PM |
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Oh, what a horrid vision. Predatory policing for profit. |
High Plains |
May-20-07 01:40 PM |
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Simplest thing in the world to avoid, don't hire illegal immigrants. n/t |
greyhound1966 |
May-20-07 02:19 PM |
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Thom's Been Talking About This For Awhile |
mntleo2 |
May-19-07 08:04 PM |
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He said it very well in this article - glad I was able to find the link |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 08:06 PM |
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Which corporate thugs are you talking about? |
High Plains |
May-20-07 01:44 PM |
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Agri-business, casinos, cleaning services, domestic servants... |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 01:56 PM |
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Corporations lure illegals here |
demga |
May-19-07 08:20 PM |
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second the emotion. |
Jack Sprat |
May-19-07 08:30 PM |
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WHEN do we see bills in Congress to go after the Corporations |
Donnachaidh |
May-19-07 08:41 PM |
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Nevada tried on Monday - interesting results... |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 08:50 PM |
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Oh -- so businesses have the RIGHT to hire illegals? |
Donnachaidh |
May-20-07 12:11 PM |
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Amazing, isn't it? |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 12:56 PM |
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I love the way people are framing this argument |
Donnachaidh |
May-20-07 01:25 PM |
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Very good point! |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 01:35 PM |
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I remember it too |
Donnachaidh |
May-20-07 01:57 PM |
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Thanks for confirming that. |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 01:58 PM |
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How about an amnesty program for illegal employment informants? |
L. Coyote |
May-19-07 08:48 PM |
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Hmm, I wonder if INS really needs informants. |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 08:54 PM |
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Just what America needs: More snitches, more snitch culture |
High Plains |
May-20-07 01:56 PM |
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right on |
frogcycle |
May-19-07 09:14 PM |
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I think you said it perfectly... |
Cerridwen |
May-19-07 09:19 PM |
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You can bet your sweet ass that the working conditions would be fine ... |
TahitiNut |
May-19-07 11:02 PM |
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K&R! |
Viva_La_Revolution |
May-19-07 09:42 PM |
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Corporate Death Penalty - Count me in! That PERFECT! |
TankLV |
May-19-07 10:12 PM |
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Why that's racist to the core. Just what sort of bigot would attack |
hansberrym |
May-20-07 01:07 AM |
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Your post is "funny" - in a painful sort of a way. |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 10:00 AM |
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LOL! |
greyhound1966 |
May-20-07 04:11 PM |
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HOLD IT, kids. The problem with corps isn't that they're not subject to |
snot |
May-20-07 01:11 AM |
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Not if the officers of the corporation face individual criminal penalties. |
TahitiNut |
May-20-07 01:19 AM |
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And after enough times - it's not worth the time and effort to |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 08:56 AM |
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Like convicted pedophiles are prohibited from being around children |
MindPilot |
May-20-07 11:11 AM |
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Yep, and no more going on the "talk curcuit" and making big |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 11:27 AM |
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Reforming takes time. |
Opposite Reaction |
May-20-07 02:36 PM |
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Morning kick....n/t |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 09:43 AM |
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Capital punishment's perhaps harsh |
dave_p |
May-20-07 10:49 AM |
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It's supposed to be harsh...that's the "incentive" to keep them |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 10:54 AM |
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But ... |
dave_p |
May-20-07 02:24 PM |
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Same coin, different sides? |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 02:35 PM |
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Oh yes |
dave_p |
May-20-07 02:37 PM |
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They'll get the wrong employers |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 11:04 AM |
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So, write the laws accordingly - put a number or a percentage |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 11:10 AM |
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Before that, though |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 11:15 AM |
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As much as I distrust those systems you list, I wonder if the |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 11:33 AM |
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If the small-time guy is hiring illegals, why should he be treated any different |
Donnachaidh |
May-20-07 12:08 PM |
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Existing laws are sufficient to determine culpability. |
TahitiNut |
May-20-07 12:25 PM |
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Ah, and...remember the casinos - another group of corporate |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 12:30 PM |
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NO -- we're talking about EMPLOYERS that hire ILLEGAL workers |
Donnachaidh |
May-20-07 01:17 PM |
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Well, I doubt the big guys will ever go down. |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 01:33 PM |
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Fine -- it's ludicrous -- Got a BETTER solution? |
Donnachaidh |
May-20-07 01:36 PM |
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I'm from California, and I tend to think |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 01:47 PM |
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LOL |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 01:57 PM |
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oh that's a real solution |
Donnachaidh |
May-20-07 01:58 PM |
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Well, it is a real problem. |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 02:05 PM |
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Supporting the status quo means doing NOTHING |
Donnachaidh |
May-20-07 02:09 PM |
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I'm not saying either "solution" is great |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 02:18 PM |
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I think most of America would agree with that. The "Californication" of states all over the |
greyhound1966 |
May-20-07 02:13 PM |
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And we would be very happy here |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 02:15 PM |
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As was pointed out to you on the other thread, to simply concede is to make |
greyhound1966 |
May-20-07 02:17 PM |
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Great, yeah |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 02:21 PM |
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Don't know if you're being purposely obtuse or if you just can't keep the |
greyhound1966 |
May-20-07 02:24 PM |
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See above |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 02:27 PM |
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By little guys you mean small businesses? n/t |
greyhound1966 |
May-20-07 02:31 PM |
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Yes. nt |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 02:34 PM |
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No, we're talking about shutting down one or possibly two local grocery stores. Once |
greyhound1966 |
May-20-07 02:47 PM |
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This thread is about going after Illegal Employers rather than |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 02:29 PM |
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Well, I'm not a big fan of a lot of the laws on the books |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 02:33 PM |
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So, how much exploitation of workers is enough to justify doing |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 02:54 PM |
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I just hate cops more than anything, which outpaces any economic argument |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 03:09 PM |
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Since I've already typed it above, see my thoughts on this |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 03:44 PM |
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You say business is business, |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 04:26 PM |
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Well, I don't, actually say that - but I get your point. |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 04:33 PM |
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We need to go up and down the scales |
catmandu57 |
May-20-07 11:15 AM |
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Yep, but I do like the idea of starting with the largest offenders... |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 11:28 AM |
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I like this train of thought. |
FLDem5 |
May-20-07 12:10 PM |
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Yes Mr Schieffer -illegal employers and the emloyees who slave for them |
upi402 |
May-20-07 01:00 PM |
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K & R |
greyhound1966 |
May-20-07 01:10 PM |
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Did you see my post #25 - they actually tried something like this |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 01:38 PM |
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And what about the concerns expressed by the ACLU? |
High Plains |
May-20-07 02:03 PM |
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I read the text of the proposed bill... |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 02:16 PM |
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Saw it, but at least they tried and the possibility remains to try again |
greyhound1966 |
May-20-07 02:04 PM |
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I hope you're right. |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 02:19 PM |
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Maybe we should start rebuilding |
A wise Man |
May-20-07 02:33 PM |
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Nice post. |
Opposite Reaction |
May-20-07 02:36 PM |
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Thank you. |
Cerridwen |
May-20-07 02:46 PM |
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CORPORATE DEATH PENALTY !!! An idea LONG OVERDUE !!! nt |
eppur_se_muova |
May-20-07 06:30 PM |
#105 |
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