| 143. How about a Democratic Party RALLY for Medicare for All? |
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| -Instead of WHINING about the base, start a REAL CAMPAIGN to motivate voters. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-28-10 09:17 PM |
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HUGE K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Sep-28-10 09:23 PM |
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Yup. nt |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
Sep-28-10 09:24 PM |
#2 |
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ya....you are right.... |
blue sky at night |
Sep-28-10 09:25 PM |
#3 |
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even if this is a losing cycle -- there's losing with honor, and losing...not with honor. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-28-10 09:29 PM |
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What's honorable about losing by NOT casting a vote? |
meeshrox |
Sep-29-10 08:47 PM |
#153 |
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way to miss the point. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 08:49 PM |
#155 |
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Umm...nice come back? |
meeshrox |
Sep-29-10 09:01 PM |
#162 |
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seriously -- no one here is talking about not voting. you missed the point. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 09:02 PM |
#164 |
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seriously |
meeshrox |
Sep-29-10 09:21 PM |
#170 |
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how often does the subject of "ponies" come up when you're canvassing? |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 09:50 PM |
#176 |
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wow -- what you wrote here doesn't make any sense. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 09:20 PM |
#169 |
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Because I agree with the president |
meeshrox |
Sep-29-10 09:50 PM |
#177 |
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If you supported Obama in 08, you either support Democrats now |
Gman |
Sep-28-10 09:26 PM |
#4 |
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It's not about that - it's about the Dems really standing up for us |
slay |
Sep-28-10 09:30 PM |
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stop that crap..do you still not get it???????? Well You will when you see the poll numbers |
flyarm |
Sep-28-10 09:34 PM |
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at some level, every Dem is an emissary of the party...so your point is spot on. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-28-10 09:48 PM |
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People don't want to be part of a group that eats its own. |
Lilith Velkor |
Sep-29-10 02:19 AM |
#55 |
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eggsactly. give shit/get shit. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 07:00 AM |
#64 |
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Then they should vote for the Democrat |
Gman |
Sep-28-10 10:16 PM |
#32 |
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psssss..your tactics are not working and you are alienating more than encouraging. |
flyarm |
Sep-28-10 11:22 PM |
#51 |
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that's exactly my point -- the constant aggression/negativity turned them off of the GOP. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-28-10 11:33 PM |
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If you were willing to actually LISTEN, you wouldn't be so inclined toward silliness. |
bobbolink |
Sep-29-10 12:19 PM |
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Nailed it, Nashville. Campaigning isn't about telling voters what THEY need to do better. |
DirkGently |
Sep-28-10 09:27 PM |
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I think the White House got your memo. Rachel did a segment with Sam Stein noting they seem to be |
laughingliberal |
Sep-28-10 09:29 PM |
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saw that while i was finishing this up -- gives me some hope. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-28-10 09:30 PM |
#8 |
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I just hope they're not Lucy with the football |
slay |
Sep-28-10 09:36 PM |
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Saw that. It'll be interesting seeing if Rachel makes the ever-expanding Enemies List around here. |
DirkGently |
Sep-28-10 09:32 PM |
#9 |
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It's 20 degres cooler under the bus! |
Techn0Girl |
Sep-28-10 10:38 PM |
#39 |
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Paul Begala, on Colbert, just said that the Dems need an enemy to run against... |
nashville_brook |
Sep-28-10 10:44 PM |
#42 |
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"Libs" remain a popular punching bag in the U.S. Perhaps that's the "magic" they're trying to grab. |
DirkGently |
Sep-28-10 10:59 PM |
#45 |
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muslim vampires has a lot more ring to it. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-28-10 11:21 PM |
#49 |
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Agreed. And they're everywhere! |
DirkGently |
Sep-28-10 11:22 PM |
#50 |
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Seems to be a prevailing insider logic that mindless fanatics win elections. Sadly, they ruin policy |
DirkGently |
Sep-28-10 10:58 PM |
#44 |
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Backing Away |
LeFleur1 |
Sep-29-10 09:39 AM |
#80 |
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they make nice on a college campus, but rage at "the left" in the mainstream media. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 03:06 PM |
#129 |
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I saw that, too |
JerseygirlCT |
Sep-29-10 02:39 PM |
#121 |
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Yet. |
ProSense |
Sep-28-10 09:37 PM |
#12 |
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that's not a message that's gonna sell. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-28-10 09:41 PM |
#13 |
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What? n/t |
ProSense |
Sep-28-10 09:44 PM |
#14 |
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She's gotta sell something! |
jesus_of_suburbia |
Sep-28-10 09:44 PM |
#15 |
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Exactly. Any political professional selling "Blame the Voters" ought to be fired for incompetence. |
DirkGently |
Sep-28-10 09:46 PM |
#16 |
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put out some sugar and the bees will buzz around you all day long. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-28-10 09:50 PM |
#18 |
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And also, "Don't poop where you eat." This ain't political rocket science. |
DirkGently |
Sep-28-10 09:53 PM |
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That was actually a senior-level class...PS 4007 -- Political Rocket Science: advanced studies |
nashville_brook |
Sep-28-10 09:58 PM |
#20 |
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....! |
DirkGently |
Sep-28-10 11:10 PM |
#47 |
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! |
Lilith Velkor |
Sep-29-10 02:21 AM |
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Clever. |
ProSense |
Sep-28-10 10:16 PM |
#33 |
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Bad faith is a GREAT persuader. |
Lilith Velkor |
Sep-29-10 02:24 AM |
#57 |
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bad faith politics: quick and easy -- but ultimately not controllable. this will backfire, |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 01:08 PM |
#108 |
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Oh, to be the meat in THAT sammich |
Lilith Velkor |
Sep-29-10 01:57 PM |
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too funny!!! -- well, EHG is in NOLA on halloween. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 02:15 PM |
#116 |
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Oh please |
ProSense |
Sep-28-10 10:15 PM |
#31 |
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Yep. nt |
laughingliberal |
Sep-28-10 10:17 PM |
#35 |
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"It's not his fault" sounds a lot like "It just doesn't matter" |
EFerrari |
Sep-28-10 09:59 PM |
#22 |
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Funny, I thought the response to Warren's appointment |
walldude |
Sep-28-10 10:03 PM |
#23 |
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Giving credit where it's due, and not where it isn't apparently isn't enough for some. |
DirkGently |
Sep-28-10 10:11 PM |
#29 |
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K&R... |
walldude |
Sep-28-10 09:58 PM |
#21 |
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it's also stepping all over the campaigns of Dems who AREN'T stooping to this BS |
nashville_brook |
Sep-28-10 10:09 PM |
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It makes matters worse that the Obama team isn't even at risk this election. |
glitch |
Sep-29-10 08:18 AM |
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arg -- that's an excellent point. classic Rahm-ian pitfall. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 08:24 AM |
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I'm just ignoring all of them for the duration. |
EFerrari |
Sep-28-10 10:05 PM |
#24 |
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how is it going with Boxer? do i need to send $$ -- :) |
nashville_brook |
Sep-28-10 10:39 PM |
#40 |
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Things have picked up after the debate. |
EFerrari |
Sep-28-10 10:43 PM |
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i saw some poll numbers a few days that made me feel pretty good. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-28-10 10:46 PM |
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I am in the same boat in norcal with you... |
liberation |
Sep-29-10 07:08 PM |
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"the base" includes a lot of people |
OhioBlue |
Sep-28-10 10:09 PM |
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midterm voters are usually the hardcore...those who don't miss an election, even for dog catcher |
nashville_brook |
Sep-28-10 11:25 PM |
#52 |
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Good point...Why are they not running a Positive Campaign for the Mid-Terms |
KoKo |
Sep-28-10 10:09 PM |
#26 |
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Yep. This "doth protest too much" defensiveness is what's making the Dems look divided. |
DirkGently |
Sep-28-10 10:16 PM |
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i'm sure this has been a controversy within the inner circle...which means, someone will talk |
nashville_brook |
Sep-28-10 10:18 PM |
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You know someone's writing a book on how bad this strategy is as we speak. 8) |
DirkGently |
Sep-28-10 10:21 PM |
#38 |
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all the eggs were thrown into Rahm's basket... |
nashville_brook |
Sep-28-10 11:57 PM |
#54 |
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You're henpecking us with this clucking egg metaphor challenge. |
DirkGently |
Sep-29-10 09:36 AM |
#78 |
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i'm just saying -- his chickens have come home to roost. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 06:31 PM |
#134 |
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My regret is that I can only recommend this one time. |
bullwinkle428 |
Sep-28-10 10:10 PM |
#28 |
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Yes, I agree |
stevedeshazer |
Sep-28-10 10:11 PM |
#30 |
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staying positive is its own reward. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-28-10 10:21 PM |
#37 |
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Ignoring them seems to keep things civil. 8) |
DirkGently |
Sep-28-10 11:16 PM |
#48 |
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K&R |
me b zola |
Sep-28-10 11:00 PM |
#46 |
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K&R. |
Greyhound |
Sep-29-10 02:26 AM |
#58 |
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It sounds too much like actual work. |
JoeyT |
Sep-29-10 03:02 AM |
#59 |
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I think they're back is against the wall and they're starting to get it |
southmost |
Sep-29-10 03:46 AM |
#60 |
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i hope so too . |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 06:31 AM |
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I think he did that in the Rolling Stone interview. |
Radical Activist |
Sep-29-10 03:54 AM |
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meow |
Dr.Phool |
Sep-29-10 06:47 AM |
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in Madison, Obama said, "stay with me; you can't lose heart." |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 07:27 AM |
#65 |
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Oh well. |
Radical Activist |
Sep-29-10 12:44 PM |
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wouldn't it be nice if Obama attacked the GOP with the same intensity he attacks his own party? |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 03:00 PM |
#127 |
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He attacks them much more often and much more harshly. |
Radical Activist |
Sep-29-10 03:02 PM |
#128 |
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that's actually not been the case running up into the election -- they've had a CHORUS |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 04:06 PM |
#130 |
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Not really. There have been a few comments |
Radical Activist |
Sep-29-10 04:30 PM |
#131 |
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again with the whining! haven't you heard that you're supposed to be making nice? |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 06:11 PM |
#133 |
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HA HA. |
speppin |
Sep-29-10 07:40 PM |
#142 |
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An excellent way to say it. |
The Uncola |
Sep-29-10 08:24 AM |
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i think it's really weird that we're not hearing more about "Citizens United" -- b/c i think that |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 08:29 AM |
#69 |
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That certainly doesn't help. Note the new emphasis on not looking too "anti-business," |
DirkGently |
Sep-29-10 08:44 AM |
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pro-biz interests would love to see the Dems scapegoat unions, teachers, and other lefties. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 11:04 AM |
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Instead of being a whiney base, do everything you can to |
laureloak |
Sep-29-10 09:04 AM |
#71 |
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way to miss the point -- we ARE doing that. but they have the bully pulpit -- |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 09:09 AM |
#72 |
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Exactly. Who, in the history of politics, has campaigned by complaining about their own supporters? |
DirkGently |
Sep-29-10 09:26 AM |
#74 |
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Obama is distancing himself from Democrats...who, he thinks are going to lose. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 01:03 PM |
#106 |
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I hope we're not dealing with that level of cynicism. Great goat, pic, either way. |
DirkGently |
Sep-29-10 02:45 PM |
#122 |
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I like being talked to like a kitteh........ |
DainBramaged |
Sep-29-10 09:17 AM |
#73 |
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Conformity kitteh says CONFORM! |
DirkGently |
Sep-29-10 09:27 AM |
#75 |
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WAY too many of those threads in GD lately |
DainBramaged |
Sep-29-10 10:10 AM |
#85 |
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isn't there some sort of kitteh solidarity movement afoot? |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 10:52 AM |
#87 |
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HAHAHAHAHA |
DainBramaged |
Sep-29-10 10:57 AM |
#88 |
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tangential: a "cat's paw" is someone used unwittingly by another to accomplish his own purposes. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 11:45 AM |
#91 |
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Konformity Kitteh says, "You can has some SILENCE now!" |
DirkGently |
Sep-29-10 10:57 AM |
#89 |
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Yeah, those are the ones who didn't get the memo. The bashing is 'out' now. |
laughingliberal |
Sep-29-10 12:06 PM |
#93 |
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muffin baskets for the "professional left" -- card says, "just joshing @ the drug tests" |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 12:33 PM |
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Lol! nt |
laughingliberal |
Sep-29-10 01:05 PM |
#107 |
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I don't really care what the party says |
eilen |
Sep-29-10 09:30 AM |
#76 |
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shit howdy -- i couldn't agree more. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 09:35 AM |
#77 |
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that sums it up perfectly: THEY WHINED instead of going to the mat to get the most done possible |
yurbud |
Sep-29-10 01:15 PM |
#111 |
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That's not what they are doing |
treestar |
Sep-29-10 09:39 AM |
#79 |
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again -- way to miss the point. thin skin and political success are mutually exclusive. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 09:58 AM |
#82 |
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Adults don't run around calling those who criticize their failings "whiners." That's kidstuff. |
DirkGently |
Sep-29-10 10:09 AM |
#84 |
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I'm trying to picture how that would work out for us if the people who hire us had a criticism of |
laughingliberal |
Sep-29-10 12:13 PM |
#95 |
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your expectations of a job well done are completely unrealistic, you whiner. now, write me a check! |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 12:17 PM |
#96 |
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Perfect. It's the weirdest approach to pursuing "party unity" ever attempted. |
DirkGently |
Sep-29-10 02:53 PM |
#125 |
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since i wrote this i've seen enough to realize that this isn't simply "dumb" -- it's intentional. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 04:31 PM |
#132 |
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If it's strategy, it's a bad one. Run on accomplishments. Run against Republicans. Running against |
DirkGently |
Sep-29-10 08:56 PM |
#160 |
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All depends on who you think works for whom. Apparently, someone thinks voters need candidate's |
DirkGently |
Sep-29-10 06:54 PM |
#137 |
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K&R n/t |
myrna minx |
Sep-29-10 09:44 AM |
#81 |
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Send this to the WH |
femrap |
Sep-29-10 10:04 AM |
#83 |
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you mean...they might not read DU already!!??? |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 10:19 AM |
#86 |
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I've started a network of friends... |
oswaldactedalone |
Sep-29-10 11:47 AM |
#92 |
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been rousting my circle for nearly 30 years. that's not the point. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 12:07 PM |
#94 |
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Well, maybe they |
femrap |
Sep-29-10 06:48 PM |
#135 |
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social media is crack for sycophantic interns. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 06:51 PM |
#136 |
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Reading? I think they have a couple here writing 24/7!!! |
jannyk |
Sep-29-10 08:45 PM |
#152 |
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You people just can't handle the truth |
krawhitham |
Sep-29-10 12:39 PM |
#99 |
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"you people" -- been a LONG time since i've seen that phrase trotted out. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 12:57 PM |
#105 |
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I and others saw it last week, when someone said it to an Obama supporter. |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-29-10 02:07 PM |
#114 |
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yep -- sure is. looks like there's quite the us/them atmosphere being created here. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 02:49 PM |
#124 |
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ROFL!! |
laughingliberal |
Sep-29-10 01:09 PM |
#110 |
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damn. that's almost creepy. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 01:42 PM |
#112 |
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according to the majority of voters polled, healthcare reform didn't go FAR ENOUGH |
krawhitham |
Sep-29-10 12:44 PM |
#100 |
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that's actually not true -- Obama spent no political capital on HCR b/c Rahm already made deals |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 12:52 PM |
#103 |
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actually, the public option was blocked by the Republican wing of the Democratic Party |
yurbud |
Sep-29-10 12:49 PM |
#102 |
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on the Public Option...exactly -- see my response above |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 12:56 PM |
#104 |
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+1000% . . . . |
defendandprotect |
Sep-29-10 08:05 PM |
#144 |
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It's too late. |
Ganja Ninja |
Sep-29-10 01:09 PM |
#109 |
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i agree. there's policy and there's politics. if the policy side of the equation had been better |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 02:34 PM |
#118 |
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"No one wins elections belittling their voters' mortal insecurities." Who's doing that? |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-29-10 02:12 PM |
#115 |
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what was Biden right about? |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 02:16 PM |
#117 |
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Sorry, I'm not nibbling at red herrings today. Why are you ignoring my question? |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-29-10 02:35 PM |
#119 |
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i don't understand your question. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 02:47 PM |
#123 |
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I don't think "red herring" means what you think it does... |
liberation |
Sep-29-10 07:11 PM |
#140 |
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if you picture that being said, followed by him sticking out his tongue...it makes perfect sense. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 08:31 PM |
#149 |
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I said this to my husband yesterday - it was a major communications gaffe |
JerseygirlCT |
Sep-29-10 02:37 PM |
#120 |
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There's "we" statements, and there's "you" statements. "you" statements, as in "you people" |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 02:58 PM |
#126 |
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Exactly! |
JerseygirlCT |
Sep-29-10 06:59 PM |
#138 |
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i'm trying to understand what he means here: |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 08:28 PM |
#148 |
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Reads to me like |
JerseygirlCT |
Sep-29-10 08:52 PM |
#157 |
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it's like he's saying he wishes he could give those votes back. petulance isn't presidential. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 09:04 PM |
#165 |
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Sounds like projection. If you're telling liberal Dems to go home, who's not being serious? |
DirkGently |
Sep-29-10 08:59 PM |
#161 |
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Great point! nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Sep-30-10 07:36 AM |
#181 |
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K&R!!! |
DeSwiss |
Sep-29-10 07:08 PM |
#139 |
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Instead of Whining about the whining about the whining ... let's just vote against the GOP!!!! |
JoePhilly |
Sep-29-10 07:13 PM |
#141 |
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i don't think anyone is being kept from the polls at this time. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 08:40 PM |
#151 |
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Me either ... I'd just like, for once in my life time, for Dems to FOCUS ... |
JoePhilly |
Sep-29-10 08:54 PM |
#158 |
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when the party loses big in november, it will be b/c they abandoned democratic values |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 09:14 PM |
#167 |
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You seem almost happy about it. |
JoePhilly |
Sep-29-10 09:23 PM |
#171 |
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not at all -- but nice try at a smear. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 09:52 PM |
#179 |
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Yes ... and the Dems have "abandoned" Democratic values. |
JoePhilly |
Sep-30-10 02:36 PM |
#185 |
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Part of beating the GOP is being BETTER than the GOP. Simple cheering doesn't do that. |
DirkGently |
Sep-29-10 09:16 PM |
#168 |
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What was the vote count on the bill that included DADT??? |
JoePhilly |
Sep-29-10 09:24 PM |
#172 |
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How about a Democratic Party RALLY for Medicare for All? |
defendandprotect |
Sep-29-10 08:04 PM |
#143 |
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Agree completely ... HOWEVER, we still need a way to move to the LEFT ... not backwards -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Sep-29-10 08:07 PM |
#145 |
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get lobbyist/corporate money out of our system. we can't compete with Exxon, Goldman Sachs, HCA |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 08:48 PM |
#154 |
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I mean ... THIS November .... And while we're all interested in what you're saying .... |
defendandprotect |
Sep-29-10 08:54 PM |
#159 |
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short of divine intervention, there's not much that's going to help this November. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 09:01 PM |
#163 |
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Instead of the base whining, why don't they start REAL INVOLVEMENT |
Sheepshank |
Sep-29-10 08:09 PM |
#146 |
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public pressure is one way to do that -- do you have suggestions for others? |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 08:15 PM |
#147 |
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Possibly real involvement means critical thought, rather than simple-minded partisan trilling. |
DirkGently |
Sep-29-10 09:14 PM |
#166 |
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Um.. by virtue of being the base |
walldude |
Sep-29-10 09:33 PM |
#173 |
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spot on. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 09:53 PM |
#180 |
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Simply slapping on a 'd' label and offering a few buck on line is involved? |
Sheepshank |
Sep-30-10 08:52 AM |
#183 |
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Wow you have some real insight as to how much people |
walldude |
Sep-30-10 04:55 PM |
#186 |
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That sums it up very well. Some really screwy logic going on here. |
DirkGently |
Sep-30-10 09:14 AM |
#184 |
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thank you, nashville_brook. REC. nt |
bertman |
Sep-29-10 08:39 PM |
#150 |
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Huge K&R!! |
jannyk |
Sep-29-10 08:51 PM |
#156 |
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Humiliating the base may be some twisted |
EmeraldCityGrl |
Sep-29-10 09:36 PM |
#174 |
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Lyndon Johnson must be spinning in his grave. |
MrTriumph |
Sep-29-10 09:36 PM |
#175 |
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throwing hissy fits at the media is another post-Johnson phenomena. |
nashville_brook |
Sep-29-10 09:52 PM |
#178 |
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some nerve, calling me a whiner and then asking for money the next day |
meow mix |
Sep-30-10 07:45 AM |
#182 |
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