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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-10 04:44 PM
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17. What LWolf said
As an actual stakeholder in this industry, I can attest that my union has consistently been on the side of the children. So have the teachers. That's why I focus on the union. They have a track record to prove their competence and they have consistently focused on doing what's best for students. Administrators do not. As for tenure, teachers who are worried about losing their jobs without due process are not likely to fully concentrate on teaching and learning.
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  -What Teacher Tenure Is And What Its Not proud2BlibKansan  Sep-26-10 02:53 PM   #0 
  - But it's so much easier...  Dappleganger   Sep-26-10 02:55 PM   #1 
  - K&R  Nikki Stone1   Sep-26-10 03:08 PM   #2 
  - It's management not the unions fault for keeping poor teachers  goddess40   Sep-26-10 03:24 PM   #3 
  - This occurs more often than we would like to believe. Getting along with the boss always trumps  DailyGrind51   Sep-26-10 03:44 PM   #7 
  - I wonder what...  Davis_X_Machina   Sep-26-10 03:25 PM   #4 
  - Interesting question  proud2BlibKansan   Sep-26-10 03:33 PM   #5 
  - k & r  Starry Messenger   Sep-26-10 03:41 PM   #6 
  - A teacher in New York told an eighth grader "You have a sexy body".  Nye Bevan   Sep-26-10 04:02 PM   #8 
  - Utter bullshit  proud2BlibKansan   Sep-26-10 04:18 PM   #9 
  - So why didn't they fire this guy?  Nye Bevan   Sep-26-10 04:27 PM   #11 
     - You're going to have to ask them that  proud2BlibKansan   Sep-26-10 04:37 PM   #15 
     - Did you even bother to read the article you linked to?  wcast   Sep-26-10 04:58 PM   #21 
     - From the article...  Nye Bevan   Sep-26-10 05:02 PM   #22 
        - "The DOE says"  proud2BlibKansan   Sep-26-10 05:09 PM   #25 
        - Might as well ask Wal-Mart for an opinion on unions  MajorChode   Sep-26-10 05:22 PM   #28 
     - I have a hard time believing that any teacher gets 100 grand in this country. nt  mistertrickster   Sep-27-10 12:29 AM   #38 
     - I'm guessing that's an "administrator" salary, or that they had a lot of years in.  boppers   Sep-27-10 12:56 AM   #39 
     - I don't know.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-27-10 03:55 PM   #49 
  - The real question is this:  LWolf   Sep-26-10 04:28 PM   #12 
  - Management fucks up, blames tenure laws and evil unions. MSM parrots the excuses.  Bozita   Sep-26-10 04:44 PM   #18 
  - Well, from my very anecdotal direct experience  Recursion   Sep-27-10 02:58 PM   #43 
  - Even though you didn't read the OP, I read your link.  proud2BlibKansan   Sep-26-10 04:35 PM   #14 
  - Most American workers have the right to bargain collectively  MajorChode   Sep-26-10 04:53 PM   #20 
  - Maybe you should join a union  Nevernose   Sep-27-10 04:49 PM   #52 
  - Who cares about tenure??/ WE are talking about educating kids. This is a red  Pisces   Sep-26-10 04:26 PM   #10 
  - Who is "WE?"  LWolf   Sep-26-10 04:30 PM   #13 
  - What LWolf said  proud2BlibKansan   Sep-26-10 04:44 PM   #17 
  - Tenure or not  hendo   Sep-26-10 04:40 PM   #16 
  - LOL  proud2BlibKansan   Sep-26-10 04:45 PM   #19 
  - I swear, post a link about education, and they come out of the woodwork  wcast   Sep-26-10 05:03 PM   #23 
  - We have too many who believe that going to school means they are qualified to be a critic  proud2BlibKansan   Sep-26-10 05:06 PM   #24 
  - Can you honestly tell me  hendo   Sep-26-10 05:23 PM   #29 
  - I am related to plenty of teachers  hendo   Sep-26-10 05:22 PM   #27 
     - "my mom is a teachers" Is our childrens learning? nt  Obamanaut   Sep-27-10 03:21 PM   #46 
  - You do not agree that they are bad teachers?  hendo   Sep-26-10 05:20 PM   #26 
     - I guess you do agree. NT  hendo   Sep-28-10 08:49 AM   #55 
  - As much as the OP irritates me,  Codeine   Sep-26-10 05:26 PM   #30 
     - I never said that all teachers were bad, just that some are  hendo   Sep-26-10 05:42 PM   #31 
     - My experience tell me that such teachers are an infinitesimally small percentage. nt  Codeine   Sep-26-10 05:48 PM   #32 
     - Not mine  Recursion   Sep-27-10 02:57 PM   #42 
     - Think about what you are saying for a moment  MajorChode   Sep-26-10 05:55 PM   #33 
        - No, some teachers become incompetent over a period of time  hendo   Sep-26-10 06:17 PM   #34 
        - That hasn't been my experience managing other professionals  MajorChode   Sep-26-10 06:36 PM   #36 
        - I agree 100%  AlecBGreen   Sep-26-10 06:19 PM   #35 
     - Are the apathetic and lazy kids of shitty parents educable or not?  Recursion   Sep-27-10 02:59 PM   #44 
        - Because they can teach the kids who want to learn.  Codeine   Sep-27-10 03:54 PM   #48 
           - Well, there we go  Recursion   Sep-27-10 04:16 PM   #50 
  - As a former NEA president at my school, my understanding of tenure only insures  mistertrickster   Sep-27-10 12:26 AM   #37 
  - Right. That's "job security for life"  Recursion   Sep-27-10 02:55 PM   #41 
     - Well, heaven forbid any employee in this country  PVnRT   Sep-28-10 10:32 AM   #57 
        - I love labor unions. I wish I were in one.  Recursion   Sep-28-10 10:35 AM   #60 
  - How is "cannot be let go on a whim" NOT "job security for life"?  Recursion   Sep-27-10 02:53 PM   #40 
  - Somewhat...  newtothegame   Sep-27-10 03:00 PM   #45 
  - Sigh.....  PVnRT   Sep-28-10 10:33 AM   #58 
  - I got out of public school teaching for how these reforms played-out in FL  JCMach1   Sep-27-10 03:46 PM   #47 
  - Just curious...where did you 'bugout' to?  masmdu   Sep-28-10 09:18 AM   #56 
     - UAE, for a new job  JCMach1   Sep-28-10 02:50 PM   #61 
  - An example of why teacher tenure is important:  Tatiana   Sep-27-10 04:24 PM   #51 
  - According to some of the Brain Trust around here  PVnRT   Sep-28-10 10:35 AM   #59 
  - 98% of probationary hires in the Los Angeles school district achieve tenure  slackmaster   Sep-27-10 04:53 PM   #53 
     - My college did its faculty like that  Recursion   Sep-27-10 06:45 PM   #54 
     - if that's the case (& i don't necessarily buy it since it's the la times saying so, in fact,  Hannah Bell   Sep-28-10 02:55 PM   #62 

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