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Response to Reply #68
77. I'm hardly shifting goalposts. I'm responding to arguments made against my position.
Edited on Sat Sep-25-10 03:14 PM by stopbush
Debaters would call that drilling down into the argument. Nothing has changed about the initial premise I put forward, and I'm rather surprised you don't get that.

As far as, "You're claiming that the Bible's worse than Playboy because it involves underage people in sexual situations, which suggests that you either think the age of marriage has been our contemporary notion of adulthood for a hell of a lot longer than it has been." - I didn't realize Lot's daughters were married to their father when they fucked him. My bad.

BTW - you make the assumption that the tale of Lot's daughters fucking their father was not intended as a story to titillate audiences of the time. Why do you make such an assumption? The people who were allowed to read the Bible were men, not women, and the Biblical laws covered everything from the rights of men to sell their daughters into slavery (Yahweh approved!) to murdering the males of neighboring people and using their daughters as whores (Yahweh ordered!). Seems to me that there may well have been any number of sickos back then who got off on the idea of incest, so why not throw them a bone?

I'm all for things being put into a historical context. That's my basic point about disagreeing with anyone championing the Bible as an icon in the forefront of the battle for free speech, because we can only make that argument TODAY if we excuse away and cherry pick what is actually IN "the good book."

I notice you don't address the idea of the Bible being ahistorical. Why? Chances are right around 90% that the whole thing is made up, and that includes the way women may or may not have been treated back in the day. Archaeology has much more to say about what should be considered to be an accurate "perspective on the time" than does the Bible. The Bible is an accurate historical document the way Gone With the Wind is a history of the Civil War.

Closing BTW - I'm well within my rights to "embarrass myself here." Get over it. Debate the argument on its merits, not on the personalities involved.
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  -Girl, age 8, takes Bible to school (Exercising First Amendment rights) Whoa_Nelly  Sep-25-10 11:58 AM   #0 
  - A Big K/R for you granddaughter. Well done.  Lochloosa   Sep-25-10 12:01 PM   #1 
  - Well all right and good but I wonder what would happen  Bitwit1234   Sep-25-10 02:03 PM   #59 
     - For good reason, if it caused a disruption in class.  Quantess   Sep-25-10 03:14 PM   #79 
     - The teacher caused the disruption by overreacting.  Posteritatis   Sep-25-10 03:36 PM   #90 
     - A disruption that would not have occurred if the book had been in the  Obamanaut   Sep-25-10 04:12 PM   #99 
     - Teacher initiated it by reacting. End of story. (nt)  Posteritatis   Sep-25-10 04:14 PM   #102 
     - Kid caused the reaction by bringing it, leaving it on desk. Beginning of story. nt  Obamanaut   Sep-25-10 04:15 PM   #105 
        - So it's the kid's fault the teacher ignored her 1st ammendment rights and freedom of religion?  USArmyParatrooper   Sep-25-10 06:35 PM   #136 
        - " my opinion..." Opinions vary. nt  Obamanaut   Sep-25-10 09:13 PM   #162 
        - It's not a freedom of religion issue.  verges   Sep-26-10 10:04 AM   #184 
        - What if a kid leaves an unopened  verges   Sep-26-10 09:48 AM   #182 
     - Bingo!  stopbush   Sep-25-10 05:55 PM   #128 
     - Agreed. n/t  marew   Sep-25-10 08:06 PM   #147 
     - Yes, I know she wasn't reading it in class. I read the OP, thank you.  Quantess   Sep-25-10 05:36 PM   #123 
     - I guess we better all act like robots or we might "disrupt" something.  w4rma   Sep-25-10 06:06 PM   #131 
        - You obviously have no idea what it's like to be a teacher.  Quantess   Sep-26-10 12:11 AM   #175 
           - I know teachers who deal with much worse than kids with Bibles...  Green_Lantern   Sep-26-10 11:30 AM   #196 
     - And I bet he would.  cherokeeprogressive   Sep-25-10 08:22 PM   #152 
  - Now that is my kind of 8 year old--go her!  coffeenap   Sep-25-10 12:02 PM   #2 
  - You gotta be pretty proud right now.  asdjrocky   Sep-25-10 12:04 PM   #3 
  - The phrasing the teacher used is the proof it's not illegal. She can say this to the classmate.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-25-10 12:06 PM   #4 
  - I can't help but wonder what they're reaction would be to "Lady Chatterly's Lover".  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-25-10 12:06 PM   #5 
  - More DUers would have cheered her and none would condemn it  stray cat   Sep-25-10 12:07 PM   #6 
  - I certainly hope so.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-25-10 12:08 PM   #8 
  - Why is that?  Shell Beau   Sep-25-10 09:25 PM   #165 
  - Do you see any poster condemning this girl?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-25-10 12:30 PM   #16 
  - you have a penchant for seeing what you want to see. no condemnation on this thread that i noticed.  Hannah Bell   Sep-25-10 01:22 PM   #41 
  - There's one ridiculous Godwin/claims of child abuse rant below  Posteritatis   Sep-25-10 01:55 PM   #55 
  - Who has condemned anything? I think you are mistaken.  MineralMan   Sep-25-10 01:35 PM   #48 
  - Or the Qu'ran  KamaAina   Sep-25-10 01:07 PM   #30 
     - Boo Hiss  davidinalameda   Sep-25-10 09:21 PM   #164 
  - Want to add: This was neither encouraged nor discouraged by her parents.  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 12:08 PM   #7 
  - In my many years of teaching, I have met about 2 principals who  femmocrat   Sep-25-10 12:08 PM   #9 
  - Every awesome principal I had retired within six months of my entering their school  Posteritatis   Sep-25-10 12:38 PM   #20 
     - Since I began teaching in my current district, I have served under about 12 principals in 16 years.  femmocrat   Sep-25-10 07:59 PM   #143 
  - She needs to set up a rota..  Davis_X_Machina   Sep-25-10 12:10 PM   #10 
  - Nice going. Bright kid. Maybe a future constitutional lawyer. I do wonder, however, ...  GodlessBiker   Sep-25-10 12:12 PM   #11 
  - Anything that smells of "uppity" sends some teachers into a "MUST SQUASH" reflex reaction.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-25-10 12:15 PM   #12 
  - For using "Calvinball" as a verb, you win the thread. (nt)  Posteritatis   Sep-25-10 01:23 PM   #42 
     - Well played!!  Old Troop   Sep-25-10 01:57 PM   #56 
  - It only became a distraction by the teacher's attention to it.  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 12:31 PM   #17 
  - This part I have to disagree with.  LWolf   Sep-25-10 06:25 PM   #135 
     - I agree LWolf.  marew   Sep-25-10 08:05 PM   #146 
     - Thanks for this clarifying post.  stopbush   Sep-26-10 12:18 PM   #209 
  - if there was a content neutral policy  merqz   Sep-25-10 01:33 PM   #45 
  - Why Not a Bible?  yellowwood   Sep-25-10 12:18 PM   #13 
  - Repuke misinfo has everyone believing it is illegal. n/t  ingac70   Sep-25-10 12:20 PM   #14 
  - Good for her. If it were a Koran, she'd be put on a No-fly list.  leveymg   Sep-25-10 12:29 PM   #15 
  - Thank you, leveymg!  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 12:38 PM   #18 
  - I can't help but think about what the responses would be if the OP were pulled word--for-word from  Brickbat   Sep-25-10 12:38 PM   #19 
  - If it was a news report the responses would probably be savaging the kid  Posteritatis   Sep-25-10 12:43 PM   #21 
  - Yup.  Brickbat   Sep-25-10 12:45 PM   #22 
  - Thought about that before posting this about my granddaughter  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 12:55 PM   #23 
     - Oh, definitely  Posteritatis   Sep-25-10 01:05 PM   #25 
  - I think it's highly unlikely that the OP would show up word-for-word on FR - there  petronius   Sep-25-10 01:15 PM   #36 
  - The spelling, grammar, and syntax are too perfect. n/t  msanthrope   Sep-25-10 01:19 PM   #38 
  - We have a winner!  stopbush   Sep-26-10 12:01 PM   #204 
  - It's ILLEGAL to bring a Bible to school?  Canuckistanian   Sep-25-10 01:03 PM   #24 
  - It's one of the standard "the majority of the population are cruelly oppressed!" memes  Posteritatis   Sep-25-10 01:09 PM   #31 
     - I can see no reason for a law banning students from carrying Bibles  Canuckistanian   Sep-25-10 01:14 PM   #35 
  - Your granddaughter is of course entirely correct  LibertyLover   Sep-25-10 01:05 PM   #26 
  - teacher has a right to have students put their books in the desk if all have to nt  msongs   Sep-25-10 01:06 PM   #27 
  - Yes, msongs, that is true  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 01:29 PM   #43 
  - Just sad to see yet another child being brainwashed into believing that that repugnant book  stopbush   Sep-25-10 01:07 PM   #28 
  - Say what?  hobbit709   Sep-25-10 01:10 PM   #33 
  - Not at all. I'm talking about an "appropriate" choice to make into a First Amendment issue.  stopbush   Sep-25-10 01:20 PM   #39 
     - The First Amendment isn't limited to things you like. (nt)  Posteritatis   Sep-25-10 01:22 PM   # 
     - You are exactly right. The Bible has just as much right to be read as Mein Kampf.  stopbush   Sep-25-10 01:33 PM   #44 
     - This is the most assumption-laden rant I've seen here in days. (nt)  Posteritatis   Sep-25-10 01:45 PM   #52 
     - You assume much about my granddaughter, stopbush  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 02:04 PM   #60 
        - I only have what you gave us to go on.  stopbush   Sep-25-10 02:56 PM   #69 
           - Actually, you have gone way beyond anything I posted  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 03:06 PM   #74 
     - Bingo! You said it!  RufusTFirefly   Sep-26-10 10:53 AM   #191 
     - Repugnant book or not  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 01:45 PM   #51 
     - What other printed material is not worthy of 1st amendment protection?  Old Troop   Sep-25-10 02:00 PM   #58 
     - Porn. It's illegal to sell it to minors. Porn has limited 1st Amendment protections.  stopbush   Sep-25-10 03:27 PM   #84 
        -'s an 8 year old girl..  Green_Lantern   Sep-25-10 04:54 PM   #114 
           - Again, I'm not on the case of the kid.  stopbush   Sep-25-10 05:54 PM   #127 
     - The fact that you find it repugnant makes it THE PERFECT First Amendment example. PERFECT.  cherokeeprogressive   Sep-25-10 08:32 PM   #154 
        - Because court decisions have exempted the schoolroom from any pure  stopbush   Sep-26-10 12:24 PM   #210 
  - You are right  malletgirl02   Sep-25-10 01:15 PM   #37 
  - She's 8, stopbush  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 01:34 PM   #47 
  - See my post #44.  stopbush   Sep-25-10 01:38 PM   #49 
  - Uff da! Every book is worth treating as a First Amendment icon.  MineralMan   Sep-25-10 01:41 PM   #50 
  - +1  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 01:54 PM   #53 
  - Exactly. But this child doesn't have any knowledge or beliefs about the Bible.  stopbush   Sep-25-10 01:54 PM   #54 
  - It doesn't matter. Not even a little. Someone told this girl  MineralMan   Sep-25-10 01:57 PM   #57 
  - Then why not have her carry a copy of Playboy or Hustler into the class?  stopbush   Sep-25-10 02:35 PM   #65 
     - Nice to see you think history shouldn't be taught. (nt)  Posteritatis   Sep-25-10 02:38 PM   #66 
     - ??? Don't tell me you believe the Bible is in any sense a historical document.  stopbush   Sep-25-10 02:46 PM   #67 
        - Just following your arguments to their illogical conclusions.  Posteritatis   Sep-25-10 02:53 PM   #68 
        - I'm hardly shifting goalposts. I'm responding to arguments made against my position.  stopbush   Sep-25-10 03:14 PM   #77 
           - Quite a bit has, in fact  Posteritatis   Sep-25-10 03:25 PM   #83 
              - Please quit trying to justify pedophilia.  LAGC   Sep-25-10 11:37 PM   #174 
        - Wow, Ignorance is bitterness in your case  pjahn   Sep-25-10 02:59 PM   #71 
           - And the SCOTUS has ruled that school systems have broad authority to ban  stopbush   Sep-25-10 06:12 PM   #133 
              - Oh, that reminds me...  Wednesdays   Sep-25-10 11:20 PM   #173 
              - Thanks for reminding everyone that your post has nothing whatsoever to do with this thread.  stopbush   Sep-26-10 11:56 AM   #200 
              - which SCOTUS decision said Bibles can be banned?  Green_Lantern   Sep-26-10 11:49 AM   #198 
                 - Why not read the SCOTUS decisions that were posted in this thread?  stopbush   Sep-26-10 11:57 AM   #202 
                    - That wasn't me quoting any law...just my own opinion..  Green_Lantern   Sep-26-10 12:11 PM   #208 
                       - Understood...and an uninformed opinion it was.  stopbush   Sep-26-10 12:34 PM   #211 
                          - how so? oh, because I disagree with you?  Green_Lantern   Sep-26-10 12:51 PM   #212 
     - I love your embellishments and extentions of my granddaughter's life and choice made  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 03:00 PM   #72 
     - Because it is illegal for her to buy or possess Hustler or Playboy. n/t  revolution breeze   Sep-25-10 04:28 PM   #110 
     - Exactly. There are limits to the free speech of minors in this country.  stopbush   Sep-25-10 06:01 PM   #130 
        - you have to be 18 to legally buy a Playboy and you can buy a  Green_Lantern   Sep-26-10 11:57 AM   #201 
     - No.  verges   Sep-26-10 10:46 AM   #189 
  - ummm...her parents did not bid her to do anything.  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 02:14 PM   #62 
  - Not to provoke a response.  verges   Sep-26-10 10:30 AM   #188 
     - The crux of the matter is that the school could allow the Bible on First Amendment grounds  stopbush   Sep-26-10 02:23 PM   #216 
  - Well said!  Dappleganger   Sep-25-10 04:52 PM   #113 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-25-10 02:58 PM   #70 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-25-10 03:14 PM   #78 
  - What's that they say about a lie traveling halfway around the world?  stopbush   Sep-25-10 03:31 PM   #86 
  - Replace Bible with Qu'ran.  revolution breeze   Sep-25-10 04:14 PM   #104 
  - Why would you think someone as smart as this girl HASN'T  Shell Beau   Sep-25-10 09:36 PM   #167 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-26-10 10:23 AM   #187 
  - Next, she could really freak them out by bringing in a Koran one day.  MH1   Sep-25-10 01:07 PM   #29 
  - I am a Atheist and I 100% agree a bible is not different than any other fictional book!  KansasVoter   Sep-25-10 01:09 PM   #32 
  - Good for your granddaughter  proud2BlibKansan   Sep-25-10 01:12 PM   #34 
  - Another "OK, now bring a Koran" vote here. n/t  Vickers   Sep-25-10 01:22 PM   #40 
  - +1  Fearless   Sep-25-10 03:35 PM   #89 
  - Good  EC   Sep-25-10 01:33 PM   #46 
  - Kids bring bibles to school frequently.  LWolf   Sep-25-10 02:05 PM   #61 
  - Another GREAT post! Wow...  YvonneCa   Sep-25-10 05:35 PM   #122 
  - That's the long-term answer to everything,  LWolf   Sep-25-10 05:42 PM   #124 
     - AND why many of us continue to defend...  YvonneCa   Sep-25-10 05:45 PM   #125 
  - Thought provoking post .... You said that kids bring bibles to  kelly1mm   Sep-25-10 08:22 PM   #151 
     - Good questions.  LWolf   Sep-26-10 03:48 PM   #222 
        - Wow, I didn't know that. I thought a student could talk to other students  kelly1mm   Sep-26-10 08:19 PM   #225 
  - The only assholes who believe Bibles, prayer, and being Christian are illegal are rightwing fundies  Rabrrrrrr   Sep-25-10 02:18 PM   #63 
  - apparentlly you did not read the OP  hfojvt   Sep-25-10 05:50 PM   #126 
     - No, I did.I don't see why you are confused.  Rabrrrrrr   Sep-25-10 10:13 PM   #171 
        - because according to the anecdote in the OP  hfojvt   Sep-26-10 02:03 AM   #177 
  - I once brought a Catholic holy card (from a funeral) into school as a bookmark  Nikki Stone1   Sep-25-10 02:33 PM   #64 
  - I use those as book marks too.  proteus_lives   Sep-25-10 03:15 PM   #80 
  - They really do make great bookmarks  Nikki Stone1   Sep-25-10 07:27 PM   #138 
     - Very good bookmarks.  proteus_lives   Sep-25-10 08:19 PM   #149 
  - My Senior year of high school, I lost a very dear friend  revolution breeze   Sep-25-10 04:26 PM   #108 
     - That's really nice that you got that kind of respect  Nikki Stone1   Sep-25-10 07:29 PM   #139 
        - Yes it was.  revolution breeze   Sep-25-10 08:46 PM   #156 
  - What if the TEACHER had brought it in? Any difference? n/t  FormerDittoHead   Sep-25-10 03:02 PM   #73 
  - There are DU threads on this very thing. nt  Obamanaut   Sep-25-10 04:27 PM   #109 
  - Yes, that would be different  jberryhill   Sep-25-10 04:36 PM   #112 
  - Given the power structure in a classroom, even leaving it in view  annabanana   Sep-25-10 05:26 PM   #120 
     - there are limits to free speech? Hmmm. n/t  FormerDittoHead   Sep-25-10 07:58 PM   #142 
     - You miss the issue  jberryhill   Sep-25-10 09:48 PM   #169 
     - Possibly  jberryhill   Sep-25-10 09:45 PM   #168 
  - Yes, the teacher is an authority figure. n/t  revolution breeze   Sep-25-10 05:27 PM   #121 
  - The teacher is a government employee.  Xithras   Sep-26-10 10:58 AM   #193 
  - She should bring in Mein Kampf next. First amendment for the win! nt  ZombieHorde   Sep-25-10 03:07 PM   #75 
  - comparing the Bible to Mein Kampf would mean the Torah  Green_Lantern   Sep-25-10 04:58 PM   #116 
     - Delusional fiction designed to reinforce the idea of a "chosen people"?  boppers   Sep-25-10 08:21 PM   #150 
     - the Bible was written by mad men? so you must think Homer was  Green_Lantern   Sep-26-10 11:23 AM   #195 
        - Dipping a child in invulnerability juice is totally sane?  boppers   Sep-26-10 02:43 PM   #220 
     - Gasp! nt  ZombieHorde   Sep-25-10 09:57 PM   #170 
  - Some other examples  exboyfil   Sep-25-10 03:10 PM   #76 
  - She's got a good head on her shoulders.  proteus_lives   Sep-25-10 03:16 PM   #81 
  - Her brother's 5th b-day party was today  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 07:23 PM   #137 
  - They should have all religious texts in the Mythology section of the school library.  pleah   Sep-25-10 03:20 PM   #82 
  - An unnecessary disruption of the class, time which could have well  Obamanaut   Sep-25-10 03:29 PM   #85 
  - True. If the teacher didn't flip, the class would have gone wholly undisrupted.  Posteritatis   Sep-25-10 03:34 PM   #88 
  - There was no disruption  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 03:40 PM   #91 
     - There would have been no disruption if the book had remained in a  Obamanaut   Sep-25-10 04:14 PM   #103 
        - You are assuming my granddaughter does not think for herself  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 04:21 PM   #106 
        - Well, ok. You are right of course. Most if not all grandparents think  Obamanaut   Sep-25-10 04:25 PM   #107 
        - I would love to read some of her illustrated books and see her  tblue37   Sep-25-10 08:00 PM   #144 
        - Let's follow this way of thinking to the logical conclusion.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-25-10 05:58 PM   #129 
  - "In loco parentis" restricts constitional rights in school  PoliticAverse   Sep-25-10 03:33 PM   #87 
  - I'd love to see a coherent definition of "disruption to the learning environment"  Posteritatis   Sep-25-10 03:40 PM   #92 
  - Whatever  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 03:41 PM   #93 
  - Thanks for posting that. I would have done so earlier but I didn't want this  stopbush   Sep-25-10 06:08 PM   #132 
  - The school, being a government agency, can't prohibit her practice of religion, however,  DailyGrind51   Sep-25-10 03:45 PM   #94 
  - DLeete  AnArmyVeteran   Sep-25-10 03:46 PM   #95 
  - You have every right to be proud.  revolution breeze   Sep-25-10 04:03 PM   #96 
  - Thank you, revolution breeze!  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 04:11 PM   #98 
  - give her a hug for me!  handmade34   Sep-25-10 04:11 PM   #97 
  - Thanks!  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 04:13 PM   #101 
  - Nine years old and all ready a pistol...  WCGreen   Sep-25-10 04:13 PM   #100 
  - WC!  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 04:30 PM   #111 
  - Your granddaughter  Dappleganger   Sep-25-10 04:55 PM   #115 
  - what was their reasoning? If she wasn't bothering anyone...  Green_Lantern   Sep-25-10 05:01 PM   #117 
  - Teacher in this case...  hayu_lol   Sep-25-10 05:20 PM   #118 
  - Good girl! She is 100% within her rights.. . n/t  annabanana   Sep-25-10 05:21 PM   #119 
  - I had friends in high school who brought their bibles to school & put them on their desks  yurbud   Sep-25-10 06:17 PM   #134 
  - Thanks, Whoa_Nelly, for the cool story about your granddaughter!  pinboy3niner   Sep-25-10 07:45 PM   #140 
  - ...only adult in story is an 8-year old...  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 07:56 PM   #141 
  - Hey, you should get her a copy of the Koran for Monday  Matariki   Sep-25-10 08:01 PM   #145 
  - While several have said this  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 08:19 PM   #148 
  - That was my take on the story--she's not trying to 'prove' anything...  pinboy3niner   Sep-25-10 08:40 PM   #155 
  - +1  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 08:56 PM   #159 
  - I suspect if it'd been the Quran instead of the Bible, some responses here would be different...  Violet_Crumble   Sep-26-10 05:32 AM   #179 
     - On both sides...  Regret My New Name   Sep-26-10 10:52 AM   #190 
        - not on both sides here..  Green_Lantern   Sep-26-10 12:08 PM   #206 
  - I wish people would quit making this into a farce.  revolution breeze   Sep-25-10 08:52 PM   #158 
     - Extra  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 08:57 PM   #160 
  - I did this in high school, back during the 80's.  boppers   Sep-25-10 08:31 PM   #153 
  - I had a friend in HS in the '60s who put a 'legalize abortion' sticker on his briefcase  pinboy3niner   Sep-25-10 08:47 PM   #157 
  - People, she did it to PROVE THE RIGHT-WING KID WRONG  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-25-10 09:08 PM   #161 
  - 'zactly, Lydia :)  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-25-10 09:18 PM   #163 
  - Yup... :o)  opihimoimoi   Sep-25-10 09:28 PM   #166 
  - I would hope that we could refrain from calling third graders left- or right-wingers  stopbush   Sep-26-10 02:34 PM   #217 
  - I hope someone brings in their Book of Shadows & puts it on their desk  KakistocracyHater   Sep-25-10 11:18 PM   #172 
  - why would she care?  Green_Lantern   Sep-26-10 12:05 PM   #205 
  - The number of people here at DU this pissed off, for the mere act of her doing it, is the most  apocalypsehow   Sep-26-10 01:02 AM   #176 
  - Lighten Up, Francis.  Paladin   Sep-26-10 09:32 AM   #181 
  - OP's repeatedly said that the kid did it on her own initiative  Posteritatis   Sep-26-10 01:10 PM   #215 
     - Yes, and some of us aren't exactly enamoured of the fact.  stopbush   Sep-26-10 02:42 PM   #218 
        - Equating taking a Bible to school with arson now?  Posteritatis   Sep-26-10 03:05 PM   #221 
           - Nothing has shifted. I don't expect you to understand that. Your posts make  stopbush   Sep-26-10 04:22 PM   #224 
  - Well said. (nt)  Posteritatis   Sep-26-10 01:06 PM   #213 
  - If your granddaughter ever decides to run for President, she has my vote! rec. nt  old mark   Sep-26-10 05:15 AM   #178 
  - I had a friend in highschool that did pretty much the same thing.  JoeyT   Sep-26-10 08:01 AM   #180 
  - As I'm reading this thread,  verges   Sep-26-10 10:02 AM   #183 
  - I got screamed at for bringing "If There Be Thorns" by VC Andrews to school in 4th grade.  moriah   Sep-26-10 10:09 AM   #185 
  - Couldn't she just  Madam Mossfern   Sep-26-10 10:14 AM   #186 
  - Give her a big hug from DU :) n/t  X_Digger   Sep-26-10 10:57 AM   #192 
  - When is she planning on testing the Second Amendment ?  MindPilot   Sep-26-10 11:17 AM   #194 
  - What a strange response  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-26-10 11:37 AM   #197 
     - Yes we've all been cautioned; and it's what we've all been taught  MindPilot   Sep-26-10 11:55 AM   #199 
        - Am confident in my son and DIL to take care of any cautionary needs  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-26-10 12:00 PM   #203 
  - This atheist weighs in  lapislzi   Sep-26-10 12:09 PM   #207 
  - I love that kind of teacher. (nt)  Posteritatis   Sep-26-10 01:09 PM   #214 
  - Would you feel the same way  minavasht   Sep-26-10 02:42 PM   #219 
  - huh?  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-26-10 04:19 PM   #223 
  - Why not bring in Koran next?  Arugula Latte   Sep-26-10 08:23 PM   #226 
  - My granddaughter  Whoa_Nelly   Sep-26-10 10:13 PM   #227 
  - AWESOME!  hendo   Sep-26-10 10:36 PM   #228 
  - Locking  dmr   Sep-26-10 10:50 PM   #229 

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