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57. There was been so much name-calling and generalization
Obviously I just joined DU so my opinion matters little but I have to address a point I think has been missed:
(1) there has been a group of posters who slam other DUers for being happy that Falwell is dead
(2) there are posters (like myself) who agree that everyone has a right to their feelings & opinions, but who PERSONALLY cannot bring themselves to cheer death of any kind

I have no use for the first type of posters - telling people that they don't have a right to their feelings and viscious insults I just ignore

But what I have seen in some posts and threads (not all - just some and that is what I am referencing to) is an overgeneralization towards the 2nd group of posters in the form of:

1. stating that we are mourning his death when all we are saying is that we aren't HAPPY, we can be glad his type of hatred is gone, but not happy someone has died.
2. calling us names - trolls, freepers, etc those are the tame ones
3. saying that because we aren't dancing on his grave we have no idea what its like to be a victim of his persecution and hatred and that if we aren't happy Falwell is dead, that deep down we hate gays. Telling posters that until they experience first-hand the effect Falwells hate had, they have no right to say anything. I respectfully agree to disagree - go ahead and dance, piss, shit whatever on his grave, just don't expect me to. Does this mean I condone Falwell? hell no, just means I think the world is better place w/out him and the best way FOR ME to respond to his death is do whatever I can to counter his message

I do not think I am better than anyone, I just deal with things differently, and I respect those DUers who feel sorry for Falwell's family, because they did lose someone who was a part of their life - good or bad. I respect those DUers who are glad he is dead. But don't accuse me of not getting it. I know what hatred is - as a child my dad abused me horribly - he would lock me in a closet for days, threw me down a flight of stairs because I tried to stop him from burning my mom. But what hurt me more was that he wasn't pissed at me - he was pissed at my mom, and I was just another way to hurt her, just like when he killed her dog. His indifference to me hurt me more....and I know there are thousands of other people who have experienced similar or worse abuse. I am not trying to compare pain - but just say that you bet I hated my dad - for years it consumed me. I wished him dead (at the age of 3 I tried to stab him with knife), I wished him pain. And then I realized that even though he was no longer physically in my life he was still controlling it - he still had power over me, he was still influencing my relationships, my emotions etc. That's when I was pissed at myself for letting anger and hatred get the best of me. And from that day my mission has been to make right what he did wrong - I am a vicitm advocate, I have worked with hundreds of abused women, children, and elders.

I am not saying that those who say they hate Falwell or are glad he is dead are consumed with hatred for him like I was for my dad. I understand that for some, they took his death as a way to vent all that crud out. I am just trying to explain why I, personally, can't hate or wish anyone dead anymore...not because I don't get it, not because I hate gays, not because I think I am superior to anyone, ... I am just tired of hate in MY life. I don't expect anyone to agree with me.

What has hurt me the most reading these posts has been seeing posters turn hatred and nastiness towards each other - and in that way Falwell is still spreading his message of hate.

No one opinion is right - instead we have a right to our opinions.


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  -"Destructive anger" Sapphocrat  May-18-07 04:57 PM   #0 
  - Good post, Sapph!  LostinVA   May-18-07 05:00 PM   #1 
  - Thank you!  racaulk   May-18-07 05:00 PM   #2 
  - K&R -- To the Moon!  Donnachaidh   May-18-07 05:07 PM   #3 
  - kick to # 5 !!! n/t  la la   May-18-07 05:19 PM   #4 
  - Recommendation #5 (or maybe #6)  Phredicles   May-18-07 05:20 PM   #5 
  - I am just sorry that he died quickly.  TomInTib   May-18-07 05:21 PM   #6 
  - EXACTLY how I felt!!!!  BrklynLiberal   May-19-07 10:35 AM   #51 
  - Wow, getting ballsy with numbers, aren't we?  BullGooseLoony   May-19-07 02:24 PM   #88 
  - K&R  ninkasi   May-18-07 05:23 PM   #7 
  - You make a big point a lot of people don't get, ninkasi.  Sapphocrat   May-19-07 03:48 AM   #33 
     - I don't know about that  mitchtv   May-19-07 05:25 AM   #38 
        - You're right.  Sapphocrat   May-19-07 05:47 AM   #39 
  - K&R.nt  nam78_two   May-18-07 05:32 PM   #8 
  - k&r Wonderful Post!...n/t  Madspirit   May-18-07 05:34 PM   #9 
  - K and R!!  Swamp Rat   May-18-07 05:35 PM   #10 
  - Ooo! I got a Swamp Rat Special!  Sapphocrat   May-19-07 03:50 AM   #34 
  - Your post is among "DU's finest hours", imho.  94114_San_Francisco   May-18-07 06:28 PM   #11 
  - I think I know. :)  Sapphocrat   May-19-07 03:56 AM   #35 
  - Kick  Madspirit   May-18-07 06:31 PM   #12 
  - Destructive anger works both ways.  Marie26   May-18-07 07:00 PM   #13 
  - What's a matter, Marie? Can't handle other peoples justifiable rage?  Beam Me Up   May-18-07 07:14 PM   #14 
  - Depends  Marie26   May-18-07 08:29 PM   #18 
     - You have no idea what that quote by Gandhi means, do you?  94114_San_Francisco   May-18-07 09:12 PM   #20 
        - Conserving anger  undergroundpanther   May-18-07 11:52 PM   #24 
        - .  Marie26   May-19-07 12:52 AM   #27 
           - Does Gandhi make a distinction between "good" and "bad" anger?  94114_San_Francisco   May-19-07 03:38 PM   #104 
  - You have absolutely no idea, do you?  foreigncorrespondent   May-18-07 07:28 PM   #15 
  - As I said in a post this week: Hitler never dropped a canister of Zyklon-B  LostinVA   May-19-07 08:50 AM   #46 
  - I agree with you, woman!  foreigncorrespondent   May-20-07 02:30 AM   #134 
  - I hate to bring this up- or get in  Bluerthanblue   May-19-07 12:36 PM   #63 
     - For your consideration.  Sapphocrat   May-19-07 04:22 PM   #109 
  - Falwell may be dead  Madspirit   May-18-07 08:27 PM   #17 
  - 'Falwell's dead & gone now; he can't hurt people anymore.' - Hello, LEGACY  Bluebear   May-18-07 09:15 PM   #21 
  - That's fine  Marie26   May-19-07 12:48 AM   #26 
  - Exactly. HIS hate and destruction live on after him. Sadly, the seeds he planted  BrklynLiberal   May-19-07 10:41 AM   #53 
  - Exactly. n/t  sfexpat2000   May-19-07 12:37 PM   #64 
  - I do not 'hate' falwell  temperancedissent   May-19-07 01:02 AM   #29 
     - EXACTLY -- great post  LostinVA   May-19-07 08:47 AM   #45 
  - As long as I breathe  DearAbby   May-18-07 07:30 PM   #16 
  - Amen....and k & r  Nikki Stone1   May-18-07 08:31 PM   #19 
  - Good research. K&R.  Kurovski   May-18-07 09:23 PM   #22 
  - Thanks, Kuro. But I'll let you in on a sad little secret...  Sapphocrat   May-19-07 04:01 AM   #36 
  - Beau-ti-Ful Post KIck  undergroundpanther   May-18-07 11:48 PM   #23 
  - Well said, Sapphocrat.  SeattleGirl   May-18-07 11:58 PM   #25 
  - AfreakingMen  temperancedissent   May-19-07 12:57 AM   #28 
  - wow  frogcycle   May-19-07 01:04 AM   #30 
  - I learned that lesson myself, very recently...  Sapphocrat   May-19-07 04:33 AM   #37 
  - The only thing more pathetic than all the hatred  spoony   May-19-07 01:07 AM   #31 
  - What never ceases to amaze me...  Sapphocrat   May-19-07 03:32 AM   #32 
  - mission to impose certain standard of behavior on everyone else  hfojvt   May-19-07 06:00 AM   #40 
  - You don't give falwell enough credit  frogcycle   May-19-07 08:32 AM   #44 
  - Here you go.  Sapphocrat   May-19-07 09:52 AM   #47 
  - I think you're wrong about what "progressive" means  Jed Dilligan   May-19-07 11:25 AM   #59 
  - OMG!! this was the most satisfying post i have read in a long time  bpeale   May-21-07 11:06 AM   #141 
  - Wow. A psychic.  philosophie_en_rose   May-19-07 11:58 AM   #62 
  - If Satan was real ...  Everybody   May-19-07 06:09 AM   #41 
  - something has always bothered me about these ' leaders of faith'  dddem   May-19-07 06:25 AM   #42 
  - I think there's some sort of scripture about "broken vessels" or "unworthy vessels."  Straight Shooter   May-19-07 02:59 PM   #100 
  - Excellent. post. Highly recommended.  terrya   May-19-07 07:03 AM   #43 
  - Dennis James Kennedy, pastor of Coral Ridge  vssmith   May-19-07 09:59 AM   #48 
  - This thread speaks to an ongoing issue, both here at DU and in the world at large  yardwork   May-19-07 10:06 AM   #49 
  - outstanding post  sniffa   May-19-07 10:37 AM   #52 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-19-07 01:23 PM   #69 
  - Where do I call anyone names in my post?  yardwork   May-19-07 01:48 PM   #76 
     - Name calling and getting personal in posts  Morereason   May-19-07 02:11 PM   #84 
        - You are making huge gneralizations  yardwork   May-19-07 02:23 PM   #87 
  - I'm not gay, but I understand marginalization.  BullGooseLoony   May-19-07 02:19 PM   #85 
  - Fantastic. Worthy of publication in magazines and newspapers around the country.  BrklynLiberal   May-19-07 10:32 AM   #50 
  - The Right has an agenda.....  Jade Fox   May-19-07 10:44 AM   #54 
  - Right on, Sapph!  StefanX   May-19-07 10:53 AM   #55 
  - I share the anger here.  lonestarnot   May-19-07 10:55 AM   #56 
  - There was been so much name-calling and generalization  nadine_mn   May-19-07 10:58 AM   #57 
  - I Am Sorry  Madspirit   May-19-07 01:34 PM   #72 
  - you said  Bluerthanblue   May-19-07 02:24 PM   #89 
  - Hey, if you're not with the mob, obviously you're against the mob. nt  BullGooseLoony   May-19-07 02:30 PM   #91 
  - By "mob" I assume you are referring  Puglover   May-20-07 10:20 AM   #136 
  - I for one agree with you  EstimatedProphet   May-19-07 10:59 PM   #132 
  - K & R to the Moon and the Stars!!! (n/t)  Triana   May-19-07 11:08 AM   #58 
  - Thank you, Sapphocrat  Jed Dilligan   May-19-07 11:33 AM   #60 
  - And thank _you_, Jed.  Sapphocrat   May-19-07 05:03 PM   #112 
     - I owe "Father Knows Best" to Moochy  Jed Dilligan   May-20-07 12:19 AM   #133 
  - Thank you for this thread.  philosophie_en_rose   May-19-07 11:41 AM   #61 
  - kick kick kick  sfexpat2000   May-19-07 12:40 PM   #65 
  - EXACTLY!  caseycoon   May-19-07 12:40 PM   #66 
  - I love threads that are so easy to K&R  Forkboy   May-19-07 12:43 PM   #67 
  - I was sad when Molly Ivins died and we lost a marvelous voice  mnhtnbb   May-19-07 01:13 PM   #68 
  - Anger in America  DoctorStrangelove   May-19-07 01:29 PM   #70 
  - The threads in this forum are perfect examples of destructive anger  Morereason   May-19-07 01:31 PM   #71 
  - If You Don't Get Our Anger  Madspirit   May-19-07 01:39 PM   #74 
  - Misplaced anger  Morereason   May-19-07 01:47 PM   #75 
     - Your attacks on my post are extremely personal. See your post #69  yardwork   May-19-07 01:50 PM   #77 
     - Never  Madspirit   May-19-07 01:51 PM   #78 
        - PS  Madspirit   May-19-07 01:53 PM   #80 
           - i hope you  Bluerthanblue   May-19-07 02:10 PM   #83 
              - My Shrink  Madspirit   May-19-07 02:42 PM   #92 
                 - you  Bluerthanblue   May-19-07 03:01 PM   #101 
                    - .  Bluerthanblue   May-19-07 07:36 PM   #125 
  - I have a question for you  Chovexani   May-19-07 01:59 PM   #82 
  - Yes I was here, lurking then  Morereason   May-19-07 02:28 PM   #90 
  - That's cool  Chovexani   May-19-07 02:51 PM   #98 
  - Whoohoohoo!  Madspirit   May-19-07 02:43 PM   #93 
  - Bullshit. Prove that assertion or take it back.  94114_San_Francisco   May-19-07 04:18 PM   #108 
  - I would never doubt that there are trolls here at times,  Jamastiene   May-19-07 10:49 PM   #130 
  - What a beautifully eloquent post  Chovexani   May-19-07 01:36 PM   #73 
  - Well said  StarryNite   May-19-07 01:51 PM   #79 
  - You're rejoicing in death, and, of course,  BullGooseLoony   May-19-07 01:57 PM   #81 
  - Screw that  Madspirit   May-19-07 02:46 PM   #94 
  - No, I'm a fucking liberal. I've taken my licks.  BullGooseLoony   May-19-07 06:33 PM   #118 
  - You're the only person using the words "rejoice" or "rejoicing" in this thread.  94114_San_Francisco   May-19-07 04:06 PM   #107 
  - I respectfully disagree  DemSoccerMom   May-19-07 05:09 PM   #113 
  - It seems to me that you're saying the same thing to me that  BullGooseLoony   May-19-07 06:35 PM   #119 
     - Well, for starters...  Sapphocrat   May-19-07 06:45 PM   #121 
        - Thank you. n/t  DemSoccerMom   May-19-07 07:31 PM   #123 
  - One major difference between your example and what you are  Jamastiene   May-19-07 10:57 PM   #131 
     - The attempted reply that there is no "rejoicing" going on here  BullGooseLoony   May-21-07 02:37 PM   #145 
  - I am glad the he is no longer alive and able to spew his nasty crap  uppityperson   May-19-07 02:22 PM   #86 
  - I've  Madspirit   May-19-07 02:48 PM   #96 
     - Hi Madspirit  uppityperson   May-19-07 03:17 PM   #102 
  - You see why George Lucas was right?  tomreedtoon   May-19-07 02:46 PM   #95 
  - Take your Pollyanna  Madspirit   May-19-07 02:50 PM   #97 
  - Thank you for defining your character...Falwell's.  tomreedtoon   May-19-07 08:32 PM   #126 
     - Vacuous  Madspirit   May-19-07 10:10 PM   #128 
  - "You People?" -- wtf?  94114_San_Francisco   May-19-07 05:13 PM   #114 
     - The Gay KKK.  Sapphocrat   May-19-07 06:32 PM   #117 
     - It looks like "you people" have made Falwell the latest bloody victim of progressive causes.  94114_San_Francisco   May-19-07 07:35 PM   #124 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-19-07 10:19 PM   #129 
     - A deleted subthread. Bummer. I was looking forward to that response. (nt)  94114_San_Francisco   May-20-07 01:08 PM   #137 
  - ...and LASTLY...This IS War  Madspirit   May-19-07 02:58 PM   #99 
  - Nothing is more insulting that someone saying something like, "We're on your side,"  vickitulsa   May-19-07 06:39 PM   #120 
  - Excellent post  JFN1   May-19-07 03:24 PM   #103 
  - Keep telling me that. Seriously.  Sapphocrat   May-19-07 04:42 PM   #110 
     - Don't despair  JFN1   May-19-07 05:31 PM   #115 
  - Your list is why the RW doesn't want hate crime laws. eom  pokercat999   May-19-07 03:47 PM   #105 
  - No question about that.  Sapphocrat   May-19-07 04:44 PM   #111 
  - I'm glad there is one less hate-mongering leader in the world.  calteacherguy   May-19-07 04:02 PM   #106 
  - no worries  BoneDaddy   May-21-07 12:13 PM   #143 
  - 60th R. Last night even Bill Moyers let Fallwell's own words hang him  Hekate   May-19-07 05:41 PM   #116 
  - Moyers had a great op/ed out the other day...  Sapphocrat   May-19-07 06:59 PM   #122 
  - well Falwell never attacked me or my type (WASP hetero) personally, but I still hated the bastard  provis99   May-19-07 09:05 PM   #127 
  - Jerry Falwell blamed the still smoldering bodies of 9-11 on "pagans, gays, the ACLU and secularists"  impeachdubya   May-20-07 02:42 AM   #135 
  - Relief is not anger,  LWolf   May-20-07 02:45 PM   #138 
  - Truly great post. K&R n/t  greyghost   May-20-07 04:54 PM   #139 
  - I've read this thread over and over since you've posted it.  JackBeck   May-20-07 11:51 PM   #140 
  - You miss the point entirely  BoneDaddy   May-21-07 11:36 AM   #142 
  - ...  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   May-24-07 09:32 AM   #146 
  - Gawd You are angry!  truedelphi   May-21-07 01:06 PM   #144 
 

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