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Sat May-19-07 03:32 AM
Response to Reply #31 |
| 32. What never ceases to amaze me... |
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...is the number of different ways there are to demand that queers just shut up and get over it.
I'm tired of people who think they have the right to tell us how we should feel, and to what degree we should feel it. We've heard all the variations, you know -- and now we can add to the list: We're wrong to acknowledge our genuine relief that Jerry Falwell is finally out of our lives, although the damage he wrought never will be.
Oh, sorry, you didn't say "wrong," did you? You said "pathetic."
There are only two things that are really pathetic: The first is telling others that their feelings are wrong, and should be suppressed. As if we gay folks haven't heard that all our lives; it always comes back to telling us that our feelings are wrong, and should be suppressed. Funny how that works.
The second is the notion some people have that it is their mission to impose certain standards of behavior on everyone else. Funny how that works: Jerry Falwell thought it was his mission to impose certain standards of behavior on everyone else.
Here's a little tip: Jerry Falwell wasn't my dad. And neither are you.
Next: Stop implying I've said things I haven't. In what way have I "(decried) any attempt at even the tiniest speck of civility"? Where -- in this or any other thread in all the years I've been on DU -- have I ever wished "suffering and death" on anyone? The "if not you" does not cut it, buster; it's an attempt to plant doubt in the mind of the reader about all queers, and it's a cheap shot.
And slipping in the words "unhealthy and/or immoral"-- Wait a minute, did you actually use the word immoral? Assuming you even read my OP (and I am not at all convinced you did), you just finished reading about violence against queers provoked by decades of "Christian" hate speech -- and yet you have the audacity to cast a moral judgment on my words, which harm no one? My God... Have you no sense of irony?
Next: Considering that the OP was my first foray into the Falwell Wars, versus the number of your posts on this issue over the past few days -- and considering the vehemence with which you admonish everyone you oppose -- I know I'm not the one apparently compelled to "vigorously rationalize" my position at every opportunity, and browbeat everyone into thinking as I do.
Project much?
Finally: Your temerity in trying to psychoanalyze me -- or even "some small part" of me -- is appallingly condescending and offensive. You know nothing about me, except that my post struck a nerve with you, and you don't like it one bit.
By the way, in case you can't recognize civility when you do see it, I am being quite civil with you -- more generously so than you may deserve. If you want to read it any other way -- and I expect you will -- that's your problem, not mine. I was through, long ago, with letting anybody else's hangups become my problem.
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Sapphocrat |
May-18-07 04:57 PM |
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Good post, Sapph! |
LostinVA |
May-18-07 05:00 PM |
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Thank you! |
racaulk |
May-18-07 05:00 PM |
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K&R -- To the Moon! |
Donnachaidh |
May-18-07 05:07 PM |
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kick to # 5 !!! n/t |
la la |
May-18-07 05:19 PM |
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Recommendation #5 (or maybe #6) |
Phredicles |
May-18-07 05:20 PM |
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I am just sorry that he died quickly. |
TomInTib |
May-18-07 05:21 PM |
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EXACTLY how I felt!!!! |
BrklynLiberal |
May-19-07 10:35 AM |
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Wow, getting ballsy with numbers, aren't we? |
BullGooseLoony |
May-19-07 02:24 PM |
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K&R |
ninkasi |
May-18-07 05:23 PM |
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You make a big point a lot of people don't get, ninkasi. |
Sapphocrat |
May-19-07 03:48 AM |
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I don't know about that |
mitchtv |
May-19-07 05:25 AM |
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You're right. |
Sapphocrat |
May-19-07 05:47 AM |
#39 |
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K&R.nt |
nam78_two |
May-18-07 05:32 PM |
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k&r Wonderful Post!...n/t |
Madspirit |
May-18-07 05:34 PM |
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K and R!! |
Swamp Rat |
May-18-07 05:35 PM |
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Ooo! I got a Swamp Rat Special! |
Sapphocrat |
May-19-07 03:50 AM |
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Your post is among "DU's finest hours", imho. |
94114_San_Francisco |
May-18-07 06:28 PM |
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I think I know. :) |
Sapphocrat |
May-19-07 03:56 AM |
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Kick |
Madspirit |
May-18-07 06:31 PM |
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Destructive anger works both ways. |
Marie26 |
May-18-07 07:00 PM |
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What's a matter, Marie? Can't handle other peoples justifiable rage? |
Beam Me Up |
May-18-07 07:14 PM |
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Depends |
Marie26 |
May-18-07 08:29 PM |
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You have no idea what that quote by Gandhi means, do you? |
94114_San_Francisco |
May-18-07 09:12 PM |
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Conserving anger |
undergroundpanther |
May-18-07 11:52 PM |
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. |
Marie26 |
May-19-07 12:52 AM |
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Does Gandhi make a distinction between "good" and "bad" anger? |
94114_San_Francisco |
May-19-07 03:38 PM |
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You have absolutely no idea, do you? |
foreigncorrespondent |
May-18-07 07:28 PM |
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As I said in a post this week: Hitler never dropped a canister of Zyklon-B |
LostinVA |
May-19-07 08:50 AM |
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I agree with you, woman! |
foreigncorrespondent |
May-20-07 02:30 AM |
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I hate to bring this up- or get in |
Bluerthanblue |
May-19-07 12:36 PM |
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For your consideration. |
Sapphocrat |
May-19-07 04:22 PM |
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Falwell may be dead |
Madspirit |
May-18-07 08:27 PM |
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'Falwell's dead & gone now; he can't hurt people anymore.' - Hello, LEGACY |
Bluebear |
May-18-07 09:15 PM |
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That's fine |
Marie26 |
May-19-07 12:48 AM |
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Exactly. HIS hate and destruction live on after him. Sadly, the seeds he planted |
BrklynLiberal |
May-19-07 10:41 AM |
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Exactly. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
May-19-07 12:37 PM |
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I do not 'hate' falwell |
temperancedissent |
May-19-07 01:02 AM |
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EXACTLY -- great post |
LostinVA |
May-19-07 08:47 AM |
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As long as I breathe |
DearAbby |
May-18-07 07:30 PM |
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Amen....and k & r |
Nikki Stone1 |
May-18-07 08:31 PM |
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Good research. K&R. |
Kurovski |
May-18-07 09:23 PM |
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Thanks, Kuro. But I'll let you in on a sad little secret... |
Sapphocrat |
May-19-07 04:01 AM |
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Beau-ti-Ful Post KIck |
undergroundpanther |
May-18-07 11:48 PM |
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Well said, Sapphocrat. |
SeattleGirl |
May-18-07 11:58 PM |
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AfreakingMen |
temperancedissent |
May-19-07 12:57 AM |
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wow |
frogcycle |
May-19-07 01:04 AM |
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I learned that lesson myself, very recently... |
Sapphocrat |
May-19-07 04:33 AM |
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The only thing more pathetic than all the hatred |
spoony |
May-19-07 01:07 AM |
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What never ceases to amaze me... |
Sapphocrat |
May-19-07 03:32 AM |
#32 |
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mission to impose certain standard of behavior on everyone else |
hfojvt |
May-19-07 06:00 AM |
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You don't give falwell enough credit |
frogcycle |
May-19-07 08:32 AM |
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Here you go. |
Sapphocrat |
May-19-07 09:52 AM |
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I think you're wrong about what "progressive" means |
Jed Dilligan |
May-19-07 11:25 AM |
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OMG!! this was the most satisfying post i have read in a long time |
bpeale |
May-21-07 11:06 AM |
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Wow. A psychic. |
philosophie_en_rose |
May-19-07 11:58 AM |
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If Satan was real ... |
Everybody |
May-19-07 06:09 AM |
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something has always bothered me about these ' leaders of faith' |
dddem |
May-19-07 06:25 AM |
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I think there's some sort of scripture about "broken vessels" or "unworthy vessels." |
Straight Shooter |
May-19-07 02:59 PM |
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Excellent. post. Highly recommended. |
terrya |
May-19-07 07:03 AM |
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Dennis James Kennedy, pastor of Coral Ridge |
vssmith |
May-19-07 09:59 AM |
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This thread speaks to an ongoing issue, both here at DU and in the world at large |
yardwork |
May-19-07 10:06 AM |
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outstanding post |
sniffa |
May-19-07 10:37 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-19-07 01:23 PM |
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Where do I call anyone names in my post? |
yardwork |
May-19-07 01:48 PM |
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Name calling and getting personal in posts |
Morereason |
May-19-07 02:11 PM |
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You are making huge gneralizations |
yardwork |
May-19-07 02:23 PM |
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I'm not gay, but I understand marginalization. |
BullGooseLoony |
May-19-07 02:19 PM |
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Fantastic. Worthy of publication in magazines and newspapers around the country. |
BrklynLiberal |
May-19-07 10:32 AM |
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The Right has an agenda..... |
Jade Fox |
May-19-07 10:44 AM |
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Right on, Sapph! |
StefanX |
May-19-07 10:53 AM |
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I share the anger here. |
lonestarnot |
May-19-07 10:55 AM |
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There was been so much name-calling and generalization |
nadine_mn |
May-19-07 10:58 AM |
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I Am Sorry |
Madspirit |
May-19-07 01:34 PM |
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you said |
Bluerthanblue |
May-19-07 02:24 PM |
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Hey, if you're not with the mob, obviously you're against the mob. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
May-19-07 02:30 PM |
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By "mob" I assume you are referring |
Puglover |
May-20-07 10:20 AM |
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I for one agree with you |
EstimatedProphet |
May-19-07 10:59 PM |
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K & R to the Moon and the Stars!!! (n/t) |
Triana |
May-19-07 11:08 AM |
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Thank you, Sapphocrat |
Jed Dilligan |
May-19-07 11:33 AM |
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And thank _you_, Jed. |
Sapphocrat |
May-19-07 05:03 PM |
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I owe "Father Knows Best" to Moochy |
Jed Dilligan |
May-20-07 12:19 AM |
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Thank you for this thread. |
philosophie_en_rose |
May-19-07 11:41 AM |
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kick kick kick |
sfexpat2000 |
May-19-07 12:40 PM |
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EXACTLY! |
caseycoon |
May-19-07 12:40 PM |
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I love threads that are so easy to K&R |
Forkboy |
May-19-07 12:43 PM |
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I was sad when Molly Ivins died and we lost a marvelous voice |
mnhtnbb |
May-19-07 01:13 PM |
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Anger in America |
DoctorStrangelove |
May-19-07 01:29 PM |
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The threads in this forum are perfect examples of destructive anger |
Morereason |
May-19-07 01:31 PM |
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If You Don't Get Our Anger |
Madspirit |
May-19-07 01:39 PM |
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Misplaced anger |
Morereason |
May-19-07 01:47 PM |
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Your attacks on my post are extremely personal. See your post #69 |
yardwork |
May-19-07 01:50 PM |
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Never |
Madspirit |
May-19-07 01:51 PM |
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PS |
Madspirit |
May-19-07 01:53 PM |
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i hope you |
Bluerthanblue |
May-19-07 02:10 PM |
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My Shrink |
Madspirit |
May-19-07 02:42 PM |
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you |
Bluerthanblue |
May-19-07 03:01 PM |
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. |
Bluerthanblue |
May-19-07 07:36 PM |
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I have a question for you |
Chovexani |
May-19-07 01:59 PM |
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Yes I was here, lurking then |
Morereason |
May-19-07 02:28 PM |
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That's cool |
Chovexani |
May-19-07 02:51 PM |
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Whoohoohoo! |
Madspirit |
May-19-07 02:43 PM |
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Bullshit. Prove that assertion or take it back. |
94114_San_Francisco |
May-19-07 04:18 PM |
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I would never doubt that there are trolls here at times, |
Jamastiene |
May-19-07 10:49 PM |
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What a beautifully eloquent post |
Chovexani |
May-19-07 01:36 PM |
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Well said |
StarryNite |
May-19-07 01:51 PM |
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You're rejoicing in death, and, of course, |
BullGooseLoony |
May-19-07 01:57 PM |
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Screw that |
Madspirit |
May-19-07 02:46 PM |
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No, I'm a fucking liberal. I've taken my licks. |
BullGooseLoony |
May-19-07 06:33 PM |
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You're the only person using the words "rejoice" or "rejoicing" in this thread. |
94114_San_Francisco |
May-19-07 04:06 PM |
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I respectfully disagree |
DemSoccerMom |
May-19-07 05:09 PM |
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It seems to me that you're saying the same thing to me that |
BullGooseLoony |
May-19-07 06:35 PM |
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Well, for starters... |
Sapphocrat |
May-19-07 06:45 PM |
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Thank you. n/t |
DemSoccerMom |
May-19-07 07:31 PM |
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One major difference between your example and what you are |
Jamastiene |
May-19-07 10:57 PM |
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The attempted reply that there is no "rejoicing" going on here |
BullGooseLoony |
May-21-07 02:37 PM |
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I am glad the he is no longer alive and able to spew his nasty crap |
uppityperson |
May-19-07 02:22 PM |
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I've |
Madspirit |
May-19-07 02:48 PM |
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Hi Madspirit |
uppityperson |
May-19-07 03:17 PM |
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You see why George Lucas was right? |
tomreedtoon |
May-19-07 02:46 PM |
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Take your Pollyanna |
Madspirit |
May-19-07 02:50 PM |
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Thank you for defining your character...Falwell's. |
tomreedtoon |
May-19-07 08:32 PM |
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Vacuous |
Madspirit |
May-19-07 10:10 PM |
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"You People?" -- wtf? |
94114_San_Francisco |
May-19-07 05:13 PM |
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The Gay KKK. |
Sapphocrat |
May-19-07 06:32 PM |
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It looks like "you people" have made Falwell the latest bloody victim of progressive causes. |
94114_San_Francisco |
May-19-07 07:35 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
May-19-07 10:19 PM |
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A deleted subthread. Bummer. I was looking forward to that response. (nt) |
94114_San_Francisco |
May-20-07 01:08 PM |
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...and LASTLY...This IS War |
Madspirit |
May-19-07 02:58 PM |
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Nothing is more insulting that someone saying something like, "We're on your side," |
vickitulsa |
May-19-07 06:39 PM |
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Excellent post |
JFN1 |
May-19-07 03:24 PM |
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Keep telling me that. Seriously. |
Sapphocrat |
May-19-07 04:42 PM |
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Don't despair |
JFN1 |
May-19-07 05:31 PM |
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Your list is why the RW doesn't want hate crime laws. eom |
pokercat999 |
May-19-07 03:47 PM |
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No question about that. |
Sapphocrat |
May-19-07 04:44 PM |
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I'm glad there is one less hate-mongering leader in the world. |
calteacherguy |
May-19-07 04:02 PM |
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no worries |
BoneDaddy |
May-21-07 12:13 PM |
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60th R. Last night even Bill Moyers let Fallwell's own words hang him |
Hekate |
May-19-07 05:41 PM |
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Moyers had a great op/ed out the other day... |
Sapphocrat |
May-19-07 06:59 PM |
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well Falwell never attacked me or my type (WASP hetero) personally, but I still hated the bastard |
provis99 |
May-19-07 09:05 PM |
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Jerry Falwell blamed the still smoldering bodies of 9-11 on "pagans, gays, the ACLU and secularists" |
impeachdubya |
May-20-07 02:42 AM |
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Relief is not anger, |
LWolf |
May-20-07 02:45 PM |
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Truly great post. K&R n/t |
greyghost |
May-20-07 04:54 PM |
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I've read this thread over and over since you've posted it. |
JackBeck |
May-20-07 11:51 PM |
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You miss the point entirely |
BoneDaddy |
May-21-07 11:36 AM |
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... |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
May-24-07 09:32 AM |
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Gawd You are angry! |
truedelphi |
May-21-07 01:06 PM |
#144 |