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225. Right ... did the article repeat it? Think Lew is an ex-CITICORP EXEC--???
Just more Obama seeking corporate decision makers!!

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  -Krugman: there’s an almost compulsive aspect to the WH’s alienation of supporters Kurt_and_Hunter  Sep-21-10 05:45 PM   #0 
  - There's an almost compulsive aspect to certain progressives...  regnaD kciN   Sep-21-10 05:47 PM   #1 
  - A refreshingly original sentiment  Kurt_and_Hunter   Sep-21-10 05:49 PM   #3 
  - just like the OP  Uzybone   Sep-21-10 05:50 PM   #5 
  - Do you still "love Krugman"?  Forkboy   Sep-21-10 05:55 PM   #12 
     - yep  Uzybone   Sep-21-10 05:56 PM   #14 
     - You're a consistent man then!  Forkboy   Sep-21-10 06:03 PM   #19 
     - YES.  aquart   Sep-22-10 11:27 AM   #249 
     - I like him  creon   Sep-22-10 05:57 PM   #362 
  - dupe  Uzybone   Sep-21-10 05:51 PM   #6 
  - Notice how the poster dropped the bomb and ran. nm  rhett o rick   Sep-22-10 01:41 PM   #314 
  - Apparently that's the best you got...  joeybee12   Sep-21-10 05:53 PM   #9 
  - Yes, but that's what passes for centrist commentary on DU these days.  Raster   Sep-22-10 10:34 AM   #229 
  - There's an almost compulsive aspect to certain Democratic ...  earthside   Sep-21-10 05:56 PM   #13 
  - Well said! +100 n/t  bluethruandthru   Sep-22-10 07:36 AM   #186 
  - +1000  pleah   Sep-22-10 08:59 AM   #212 
  - 1000 + 1  Just-plain-Kathy   Sep-22-10 04:21 PM   #352 
     - Let's do the math: 1000 + 2!  Land Shark   Sep-22-10 04:40 PM   #353 
        - And 1000 + 3  MissDeeds   Sep-22-10 05:11 PM   #354 
  - Thank you!  Raster   Sep-22-10 10:34 AM   #231 
  - +999  L0oniX   Sep-22-10 10:48 AM   #238 
  - I can'r even guess  Jackpine Radical   Sep-22-10 02:09 PM   #323 
  - Thank you! +1  Joe Fields   Sep-22-10 11:37 AM   #253 
  - Yup -- talk is cheap and easy. Walking the walk, not so much. [n/t]  stranger81   Sep-22-10 12:10 PM   #273 
  - It's hard work!  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-22-10 04:13 PM   #349 
  - You mean the Rick Warren "get-go"? nm  rhett o rick   Sep-22-10 01:57 PM   #321 
  - snark warning  lark   Sep-22-10 02:49 PM   #328 
  - Actually, the Obama administration seems hellbent on alienating us  tavalon   Sep-21-10 06:48 PM   #37 
  - Actually, the Obama administration seems hellbent on alienating us  AlbertCat   Sep-22-10 11:38 AM   #254 
     - Yeah thats the ticket...  humbled_opinion   Sep-22-10 04:05 PM   #348 
     - You say you don't feel alienated  tavalon   Sep-22-10 11:38 PM   #391 
  - Yea...I was on Obama's website...  wuvuj   Sep-21-10 07:35 PM   #53 
  - There's an almost compulsive aspect to certain DUers  PVnRT   Sep-21-10 07:52 PM   #57 
  - You must have proof of that piece of hyperbole or surely you would not  sabrina 1   Sep-21-10 07:57 PM   #59 
  - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   Sep-22-10 12:45 AM   #143 
  - How dare anyone..  sendero   Sep-21-10 08:45 PM   #62 
  - The best way to prove what a cool independent thinking progressive you are  Radical Activist   Sep-21-10 10:20 PM   #87 
  - once again with your baseless assertion that....  tomp   Sep-22-10 05:37 AM   #167 
  - You are a  Enthusiast   Sep-22-10 08:17 AM   #205 
  - lol  closeupready   Sep-22-10 10:51 AM   #239 
  - Many issues.  Radical Activist   Sep-22-10 02:59 PM   #334 
  - Okay, just wondering...nt  Enthusiast   Sep-23-10 08:17 AM   #394 
  - Oh, man...  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-22-10 04:17 PM   #350 
     - if there is ONE thing I could change about DU...  tomp   Sep-22-10 05:47 PM   #358 
        - At least the Che avatar is gone.  QC   Sep-22-10 07:09 PM   #372 
        - True  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-22-10 09:47 PM   #387 
        - Me too  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-22-10 09:51 PM   #388 
  - Would be nice to see Obama dumping the corporates ... that would be refreshing ....!!  defendandprotect   Sep-22-10 10:09 AM   #221 
  - Nah. A poll just came out saying Business feels unloved.  aquart   Sep-22-10 11:30 AM   #250 
  - Evidently, that shocked the corporate-DLC/Rahm who thought "business should be grateful" to Obama!!  defendandprotect   Sep-22-10 01:50 PM   #319 
  - Didn't we attack Bush for surrounding himself with like-minded yes-men?  Radical Activist   Sep-22-10 02:51 PM   #329 
  - it's even better calling yourself Radical Activist  stranger81   Sep-22-10 12:12 PM   #276 
  - The failure to hate Obama doesn't make one a centrist.  Radical Activist   Sep-22-10 02:47 PM   #327 
     - Agreed. It's staking out centrist positions on every conceivable issue  stranger81   Sep-22-10 02:56 PM   #330 
     - Like my post yesterday  Radical Activist   Sep-22-10 03:05 PM   #336 
     - Sad that some people think that blind fawning is required  lark   Sep-22-10 02:56 PM   #331 
        - Being gullible about believing any claim a pundit or blogger makes  Radical Activist   Sep-22-10 03:08 PM   #337 
  - Another reader of minds except everyone knows  sabrina 1   Sep-22-10 02:39 PM   #325 
  - Imagine that - progressives that actually want real change when promised  slay   Sep-21-10 11:51 PM   #127 
  - I think your post tells us more about your own compulsions to erect strawmen...  liberation   Sep-22-10 05:37 AM   #168 
  - The premise of your response  dotymed   Sep-22-10 07:07 AM   #177 
  - Why would progressives come out against the obama  molly77   Sep-22-10 07:18 AM   #180 
  - I especially mark what  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-22-10 09:01 PM   #382 
  - If I recall at the get go  molly77   Sep-22-10 07:23 AM   #181 
  - Hmmm. You've got something there.  Missy Vixen   Sep-22-10 05:54 PM   #360 
  - In Many Ways  NashVegas   Sep-22-10 07:42 AM   #191 
  - How absurd.  Enthusiast   Sep-22-10 08:08 AM   #199 
  - Obama's turning government over to Republicans and pro-corporates is what  defendandprotect   Sep-22-10 10:05 AM   #220 
  - +1000  BrklynLiberal   Sep-22-10 02:58 PM   #332 
  - What.the.hell.ever - don't blame the progressives for any of this  LaurenG   Sep-22-10 10:17 AM   #226 
  - +++++++++1000  BrklynLiberal   Sep-22-10 03:03 PM   #335 
  - That is completely false  Demeter   Sep-22-10 11:57 AM   #270 
  - You might find life a little easier if you would recognize some Truths  ProudDad   Sep-22-10 01:16 PM   #301 
  - I am not sure what your motive is in this post but it makes no sense.  rhett o rick   Sep-22-10 01:38 PM   #311 
  - tough times  creon   Sep-23-10 07:50 AM   #393 
  - The left is mostly in the pocket- MSM says he is on the left- so he is running to the middle  underpants   Sep-21-10 05:49 PM   #2 
  - The DFHs are not Obama's base  Uzybone   Sep-21-10 05:50 PM   #4 
  - It is an ironic term  Kurt_and_Hunter   Sep-21-10 05:52 PM   #8 
  - its an insulting term  Uzybone   Sep-21-10 05:55 PM   #10 
     - THAT LoGo Is Simply DISGUSTING To Me!! I Saw It Recently & Someone  ChiciB1   Sep-21-10 06:09 PM   #23 
        - swallow your disgust for the logo and vote Dem in Nov.  Uzybone   Sep-21-10 06:13 PM   #25 
        - Add that to the long list of things to swallow I guess...  liberation   Sep-22-10 05:43 AM   #170 
        - I have been swallowing for 40 years, How long have you swallowed?  flyarm   Sep-22-10 08:08 AM   #198 
           - Not Quite As Many Years! But Close! As A Democrat All I Can Say Is  ChiciB1   Sep-22-10 10:53 AM   #241 
              - My gag reflex is precluding swallowing a lot of this BS  MissDeeds   Sep-22-10 06:04 PM   #366 
        - I, too, really hate that logo.  Blue_In_AK   Sep-21-10 06:19 PM   #28 
        - zOMG!!! elventyshfiftyfive!!!!11111!!!  JTFrog   Sep-21-10 06:22 PM   #30 
        - D For Forward, R For Backward... STILL Doesn't Make The LOGO Any  ChiciB1   Sep-22-10 11:12 AM   #245 
        - NOTHING?  freebrew   Sep-22-10 12:33 PM   #285 
        - Its going to be a windy vote, with gusts blowing every which way...  earcandle   Sep-22-10 03:03 AM   #158 
        - I find that logo repulsive as well..it reminds me of propaganda ..like the Obama logo looked like  flyarm   Sep-22-10 08:12 AM   #201 
  - ok, what is dfh?  tomp   Sep-22-10 05:39 AM   #169 
  - Dirty Fucking Hippies  Raster   Sep-22-10 10:40 AM   #234 
  - hmm his administration has attacked Unions and women, and oh by the way, many women are in unions!  flyarm   Sep-22-10 08:01 AM   #196 
  - You Betcha... Beer Bong Games Are What's Happening With Them These Days!  ChiciB1   Sep-22-10 11:23 AM   #248 
  - Or putting up Ron Paul stickers... (n/t)  ProudDad   Sep-22-10 01:25 PM   #307 
  - DFH is not a generation. It's a state of mind.  Lilith Velkor   Sep-22-10 04:21 PM   #351 
  - Well, This DFH,  RobinA   Sep-22-10 11:41 AM   #256 
  - ....  BrklynLiberal   Sep-22-10 02:59 PM   #333 
  - Haven't even read through the rest of the posts yet but have to K and R yours! nt  riderinthestorm   Sep-22-10 09:55 PM   #389 
  - After the house burns down  ProudDad   Sep-22-10 01:23 PM   #305 
  - HUGE K & R !!!  WillyT   Sep-21-10 05:52 PM   #7 
  - Krugman!  chill_wind   Sep-21-10 05:55 PM   #11 
  - Saw him in the movie - "Get Him To The Greek" the other day  slay   Sep-21-10 11:53 PM   # 
     - :-) "My dad loves your shit."  chill_wind   Sep-22-10 03:24 AM   #163 
     - Yeah, that was cool.  sheldon   Sep-22-10 01:13 PM   #299 
        - Aww I thought it was pretty hilarious  slay   Sep-22-10 08:15 PM   #381 
  - I find it sadly ironic that some here easily dismiss Obama's slights to the left  DJ13   Sep-21-10 05:57 PM   #15 
  - You know what's really important  ProSense   Sep-21-10 06:18 PM   #27 
     - No. It's because Feingold is being targeted by the Republicans.  EFerrari   Sep-22-10 12:40 AM   #141 
     - + 1 million!! I just read about it !!..great Job Obama and team Obama! not! eom  flyarm   Sep-22-10 08:13 AM   #203 
     - .. and probably by the DLC corporates ... !!  defendandprotect   Sep-22-10 10:14 AM   #224 
     - The Republicans know exactly what they're doing.  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-22-10 11:46 AM   #262 
        - Precisely. n/t  EFerrari   Sep-22-10 01:01 PM   #296 
     - You would be the first person I would come to about nonsense! You are king of it! eom  flyarm   Sep-22-10 08:15 AM   #204 
     - Feingold is just collateral damage, due to the ire of many dems  Joe Fields   Sep-22-10 02:22 PM   #324 
  - As a person who voted for him,  Dappleganger   Sep-21-10 05:59 PM   #16 
  - Note that the OP is the quintessence of Constructive Criticism:  Kurt_and_Hunter   Sep-21-10 06:01 PM   #17 
  - He's right, but it might be time to get a NEW ball. This one seems to bounce to the right a lot.  Exilednight   Sep-21-10 06:13 PM   #26 
  - You forgot the this point  ProSense   Sep-21-10 06:22 PM   #29 
  - You will note that I put it in bold in the OP  Kurt_and_Hunter   Sep-21-10 06:24 PM   #32 
  - Health insurance reform is a real tweak, not a real change.  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-22-10 11:54 AM   #267 
  - I agree with both those premises.  Hello_Kitty   Sep-21-10 07:09 PM   #46 
  - Krugman is assuming that the apathetic portion of Obama's "base" knows who Jack Lew is.  BzaDem   Sep-21-10 06:02 PM   #18 
  - Can't win elections without those people.  Kurt_and_Hunter   Sep-21-10 06:07 PM   #22 
  - I think the people you are talking about fit into my first category.  BzaDem   Sep-21-10 06:22 PM   #31 
  - Winning elections depends on whether your base gets the vote out.  JDPriestly   Sep-22-10 01:20 AM   #153 
  - It works like this. If the DLC corporatists currently in the drivers seat is attacking the base then  w4rma   Sep-21-10 07:47 PM   #55 
  - When I read the constant allegations on DU that the "Left" is the group that does the work  suzie   Sep-22-10 07:06 AM   #176 
     - I have lived in 9 states and have worked on campaigns for 40 years..the Left has always been the  flyarm   Sep-22-10 08:24 AM   #206 
     - I've in 8 states and worked on campaigns for 40 years.  suzie   Sep-22-10 01:24 PM   #306 
     - Believe me, if "the left" did NOT show up, you'd notice.  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-22-10 12:15 PM   #277 
        - Perhaps I didn't clarify enough. I said "the Left that is spoken about" meaning those  suzie   Sep-22-10 01:38 PM   #312 
           - Well, here's a clue -  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-22-10 01:49 PM   #318 
              - Guess there are some things that haven't changed in 40 years--males telling females that  suzie   Sep-23-10 07:35 AM   #392 
  - It is a current example  zipplewrath   Sep-22-10 07:29 AM   #183 
  - Right ... did the article repeat it? Think Lew is an ex-CITICORP EXEC--???  defendandprotect   Sep-22-10 10:15 AM   #225 
  - Lew, the head of Citigroup's Alternative Investments?  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-22-10 12:10 PM   #274 
  - K&R  Jamastiene   Sep-21-10 06:06 PM   #20 
  - "Obama has brought real change — above all, health reform"  ProSense   Sep-21-10 06:07 PM   #21 
  - Obama ridiculing the new for universal health care is pathetic ... not a slight ...  defendandprotect   Sep-22-10 10:18 AM   #227 
  - Ya Know What? My Son's Insurance Company Just Raised His Premiums To  ChiciB1   Sep-22-10 11:38 AM   #255 
  - Funny, I don't feel alienated. So how many national elections has Krugman won? Oh, none.  ClarkUSA   Sep-21-10 06:10 PM   #24 
  - "Funny, I don't feel alienated."  Forkboy   Sep-21-10 06:28 PM   #33 
  - Thanks for the vote of confidence.  ClarkUSA   Sep-21-10 06:33 PM   #35 
  - Anytime.  Forkboy   Sep-21-10 06:40 PM   #36 
     - Just thought I'd get it out there that I and my OFA group don't feel a bit "alienated".  ClarkUSA   Sep-21-10 06:57 PM   #39 
     - I'm sure you had time to consult with them.  Forkboy   Sep-21-10 07:01 PM   #40 
        - Don't have to. I GOTV with them regularly, unlike some people.  ClarkUSA   Sep-21-10 07:06 PM   #43 
           - You got to be kidding.  Forkboy   Sep-21-10 07:15 PM   #48 
              - You should probably put down the reefer. n/t  BzaDem   Sep-21-10 08:52 PM   #64 
                 - LOL...even you can do better than that.  Forkboy   Sep-21-10 09:08 PM   #66 
                    - Given the "competition," the bar for me "having to do better" is pretty low.  BzaDem   Sep-21-10 09:10 PM   #68 
                       - Yeah, no shit!  Forkboy   Sep-21-10 09:12 PM   #69 
     - Did you note the OP about the DUer whose dog had died?  Fumesucker   Sep-21-10 07:02 PM   #41 
     - LOL....that's just bad fiction!!!!  Forkboy   Sep-21-10 07:05 PM   #42 
        - I couldn't find that emoticon..  Fumesucker   Sep-21-10 07:15 PM   #47 
           - Well, he believed my post, so there's hope for yours.  Forkboy   Sep-21-10 07:17 PM   #50 
     - +1  harun   Sep-22-10 07:05 AM   #175 
     - I'm in a WEALTH CYCLE!  PassingFair   Sep-22-10 08:04 AM   #197 
  - If I thought they actually believed this crap, I'd worry that much about the lack of  Greyhound   Sep-22-10 10:12 AM   #223 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-10 06:32 PM   #34 
  - it is not funny that you don't feel alienated  Skittles   Sep-21-10 07:07 PM   #44 
  - lol! "downright PATHETIC" = 24/7 attacks that are aimed at Pres. Obama & his supporters  ClarkUSA   Sep-21-10 08:50 PM   #63 
     - Well, it's in bold, so I'm a believer.  Forkboy   Sep-21-10 09:09 PM   #67 
        - I am not convinced yet, I need to see more circular self referring blue links...  liberation   Sep-22-10 05:48 AM   #171 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-10 07:55 PM   #58 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-10 06:50 PM   #38 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-10 07:08 PM   #45 
  - Why would you think the OP doesn't support Dems? n/t  BzaDem   Sep-21-10 07:16 PM   #49 
  - There's a compulsive aspect to this kind of traitor accusation  carolinayellowdog   Sep-21-10 07:42 PM   #54 
     - Yeah, ol' DU has changed alright!  JNelson6563   Sep-21-10 07:59 PM   #60 
     - +1  ClarkUSA   Sep-21-10 08:41 PM   #61 
     - I'm going to keep posting right here.  Forkboy   Sep-21-10 09:24 PM   #73 
     - Wow!  Le Taz Hot   Sep-22-10 07:28 AM   #182 
        - I was here for the lovefest, not the hatefest-- and it's OVER, GONE  carolinayellowdog   Sep-22-10 09:12 AM   #214 
     - Yep. Ironically, the would-be enforcers hurt the Party more than critics.  DirkGently   Sep-21-10 08:57 PM   #65 
     - There are real haters here, and they're obvious  carolinayellowdog   Sep-21-10 09:16 PM   #70 
     - Actually, 24/7 "critics" hurt the Party more than its supporters, especially now before the midterms  ClarkUSA   Sep-21-10 09:34 PM   #74 
        - Sorry, but that's wrong. "Boots on the ground doesn't mean "boots on Democrats' necks."  DirkGently   Sep-21-10 09:44 PM   #75 
           - Throwing out red herrings and making strawman arguments doesn't obscure my salient points.  ClarkUSA   Sep-21-10 09:50 PM   #76 
              - Boy, that was generic. Do you, or do you not, get that yelling at Democrats to shut up NEVER works?  DirkGently   Sep-21-10 09:52 PM   #77 
              - No, "that" was true. And who's the one "yelling" here? I'm not the one using large caps.  ClarkUSA   Sep-21-10 09:55 PM   #79 
                 - Just trying to help you understand the rather simple concept that attacking (as you've done again)  DirkGently   Sep-21-10 10:02 PM   #80 
                    - Another red herring. More strawman arguments. How predictable.  ClarkUSA   Sep-21-10 10:12 PM   #85 
                       - I don't think either of those terms mean what you think they do.  liberation   Sep-22-10 05:55 AM   #172 
                          - You'd be wrong. Why don't you tell me what you "don't think" I "think"?  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 10:34 AM   #230 
              - You seem incapable of getting it - we ARE the Democratic party.  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-22-10 12:47 PM   #291 
     - +10000 nt  Mojorabbit   Sep-21-10 11:53 PM   # 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-22-10 08:39 AM   #207 
  - Interesting that rather than take Krugman's observation to heart  depakid   Sep-21-10 07:24 PM   #51 
  - Someone had to say it.  mmonk   Sep-21-10 07:32 PM   #52 
  - Another example today. The WH is considering a prominent corporate CEO to replace Summers.  laughingliberal   Sep-21-10 07:49 PM   #56 
  - Uh huh. I suppose Elizabeth Warren's appointment to the WH inner circle is just a fluke?  ClarkUSA   Sep-21-10 09:20 PM   #72 
     - Actually, that's a good thing. Other things aren't so good. Can you agree with this principle?  DirkGently   Sep-21-10 09:53 PM   #78 
     - Yes. Prime rib is "a good thing. Other things" such as chicken liver "aren't so good."  ClarkUSA   Sep-21-10 10:03 PM   #81 
        - Nice dodge. Do you think *any* criticism is fair, or not? Examples?  DirkGently   Sep-21-10 10:04 PM   #82 
           - Tsk, tsk. Something as important as "principle" cannot suddenly be a "nice dodge".  ClarkUSA   Sep-21-10 10:14 PM   #86 
              - So, you can't acknowledge a single valid criticism. Speaks volumes.  DirkGently   Sep-21-10 10:25 PM   #89 
                 - Well, I'm outraged that Pres. Obama doesn't make more jokes about the idiots who criticize him 24/7.  ClarkUSA   Sep-21-10 11:00 PM   #103 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-22-10 06:00 AM   #173 
                       - That's what I always thought as well. Dems leave partisan hackery to the RW.  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 10:43 AM   #236 
     - Actually it remains to be seen how much (if any) real power that she'll have  depakid   Sep-21-10 10:06 PM   #83 
     - A valid concern. Just trying to give the benefit of the doubt.  DirkGently   Sep-21-10 10:07 PM   #84 
     - Your rhetoric is baseless speculation that is contradicted by Elizabeth Warren and Pres. Obama.  ClarkUSA   Sep-21-10 10:44 PM   #94 
     - It's not rhetoric nor is it speculation- only time (and actions) will tell  depakid   Sep-21-10 10:49 PM   #97 
        - Sure it is. The facts already contradict your baseless rhetoric, as I've already proven.  ClarkUSA   Sep-21-10 11:06 PM   #108 
           - That's just a bizarre response and no, you haven't "proven" anything  depakid   Sep-21-10 11:31 PM   #120 
              - lol! Keep spinning. I linked to credible news sources which you promptly ignored.  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 12:52 AM   #146 
                 - "Why do you spend so much time on a site that supports Democrats?"  depakid   Sep-22-10 03:12 AM   #162 
                    - You seem to dislike all of the Democratic legislative efforts under this Democratic president.  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 11:10 AM   #243 
                    - McCall & Morse = Republicans. Jeff Merkley has never called Pres. Obama "politically pathological".  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 11:47 AM   #264 
                       - That belies so much misunderstanding that one is hard pressed to know how to respond  depakid   Sep-22-10 09:10 PM   #384 
     - She'll be a "special adviser"  Art_from_Ark   Sep-21-10 11:38 PM   #122 
        - I hope it's not being the one who serves the coffee and doughnuts...  KoKo   Sep-22-10 07:45 AM   #193 
           - It does seem a bit odd  Art_from_Ark   Sep-23-10 08:59 PM   #399 
     - I'm glad Warren got some position where she may be allowed some power. It does remain to be seen.  laughingliberal   Sep-21-10 10:46 PM   #95 
     - No, it's already been "seen" what she can do.  ClarkUSA   Sep-21-10 11:15 PM   #112 
        - It does remain to be seen what changes to policy will result. I'm glad she has a role.  laughingliberal   Sep-22-10 12:08 AM   #135 
           - Did you read any of the facts I keep giving you on what she's doing now?  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 11:52 AM   #266 
              - You do understand how "tackling an issue" and "accomplishing" something  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-22-10 01:00 PM   #295 
     - I support the president's appointment of Warren. Do you? nm  rhett o rick   Sep-22-10 02:07 PM   #322 
  - K&R  highplainsdem   Sep-21-10 09:18 PM   #71 
  - Actually, he does to dog whistle politics.  Radical Activist   Sep-21-10 10:25 PM   #88 
  - What do you think of the piece? Are the jabs at "the professional left" constructive?  DirkGently   Sep-21-10 10:27 PM   #90 
  - There were pundits who deserved to be called out for their bullshit.  Radical Activist   Sep-21-10 10:31 PM   #91 
  - But they do generally speak for liberals. Was it wise to glibly generalize and dismiss them?  DirkGently   Sep-21-10 10:52 PM   #99 
     - No, they really don't speak for liberals.  Radical Activist   Sep-21-10 10:55 PM   #100 
        - Since when do you speak for  Le Taz Hot   Sep-22-10 07:39 AM   #187 
        - Obviously, despite all evidence, he calls himself a 'liberal'.  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-22-10 01:07 PM   #297 
        - So..where are your polling statistics about who liberals are and who and what they support?  KoKo   Sep-22-10 07:46 AM   #194 
        - Every poll on the topic has the same result.  Radical Activist   Sep-22-10 10:56 AM   #242 
        - Isn't that a false dichotomy? Don't "supporters "criticize? Isn't the "small minority" the  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 09:40 AM   #217 
           - ^ ^ ^ This is an Excellent Post  Kurt_and_Hunter   Sep-22-10 10:19 AM   #228 
           - "who acknowledge no legitimate criticisms"  Radical Activist   Sep-22-10 10:38 AM   #232 
           - Can you give an example of critique you find "legitimate?"  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 11:32 AM   #252 
              - Anything based in fact rather than exaggeration, speculation and hyperbole.  Radical Activist   Sep-22-10 11:42 AM   #257 
                 - Can you name a specific critique you accept? If not, do you see where you appear absolutist?  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 11:45 AM   #260 
           - swarm  Radical Activist   Sep-22-10 10:52 AM   #240 
              - No, passing laws is the job of our leaders, who work for US. And isn't calling out other DUers  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 11:30 AM   #251 
                 - It's no more  Radical Activist   Sep-22-10 11:44 AM   #258 
                    - I'm an Obama supporter. I criticized absolutist attacks. You called out names. No dice.  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 11:46 AM   #261 
                       - Grief and swarm strikes again.  Radical Activist   Sep-22-10 11:54 AM   #268 
                       - I'm trying to converse. You're making accusations. Can you not simply name a "legit" critique?  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 11:55 AM   #269 
                       - Yup. That's their MO, alright.  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 12:23 PM   #279 
                          - Can't name a "legitimate" critique either? Can you see how that looks unreasonable?  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 12:25 PM   #280 
                             - Is that a buzzing sound I hear?  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 01:20 PM   #303 
                                - Truly, a convincing Emoticon. Have you thought of the Obama critique you approve of yet?  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 03:41 PM   #344 
                       - I am as well.  creon   Sep-22-10 06:03 PM   #365 
  - Unlike Krugman, I can distinguish between Obama's progressive base  Radical Activist   Sep-21-10 10:35 PM   #92 
     - Got a PHD? Any creds? You a professional pollster? A position in Dem Party?  KoKo   Sep-22-10 07:50 AM   #195 
  - Sure, I heard the signal he was on my side when he appointed a guy who believes deregulation didn't  laughingliberal   Sep-21-10 10:48 PM   #96 
  - Krugman says the guy was right. Do you hate Krugman now?  Radical Activist   Sep-21-10 10:49 PM   #98 
  - I don't hate anybody. I agree or disagree with their policies and I hate the effect some of them...  laughingliberal   Sep-21-10 10:59 PM   #102 
  - There's a point  Radical Activist   Sep-21-10 11:15 PM   #113 
     - I don't recall asking you a lot of questions. And I don't recall attacking politicians. I do oppose  laughingliberal   Sep-21-10 11:26 PM   #118 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-10 11:37 PM   #121 
        - I didn't say I didn't respond to you. I said I don't recall asking you a lot of questions. nt  laughingliberal   Sep-21-10 11:53 PM   #131 
     - To quote a famous Republican  eilen   Sep-22-10 08:42 AM   #209 
        - What a brilliant man!  Enthusiast   Sep-22-10 09:19 AM   #216 
  - That's not what he said  depakid   Sep-21-10 11:00 PM   #104 
  - "I think he may technically be right"  Radical Activist   Sep-21-10 11:02 PM   #106 
     - Read the whole statement  depakid   Sep-21-10 11:18 PM   #116 
  - Not really, Krugman said the guy was right in that deregulation  displacedvermoter   Sep-22-10 03:41 PM   #345 
  - The economic crisis was a  Enthusiast   Sep-22-10 09:15 AM   #215 
  - He's got the wrong frequency then.  PassingFair   Sep-22-10 08:11 AM   #200 
  - Most of us preferred to evaluate his actions in regard to BP  eilen   Sep-22-10 08:40 AM   #208 
     - Right, Obama is attacked for not using the bully pulpit  Radical Activist   Sep-22-10 12:09 PM   #272 
  - "All you’re doing is undermining the enthusiasm of people you need."  Radical Activist   Sep-21-10 10:36 PM   #93 
  - Actually, he's warned several times before about insulting supporters and key constituencies  depakid   Sep-21-10 10:58 PM   #101 
  - Krugman is confusing himself with all progressives.  Radical Activist   Sep-21-10 11:01 PM   #105 
  - now  G_j   Sep-21-10 11:10 PM   #110 
  - Perhaps. He is a little to the center of many of us. But he's a lot more progressive than Obama's...  laughingliberal   Sep-21-10 11:10 PM   #111 
  - How so? Please give specific examples and include Elizabeth Warren into the Treasury mix.  ClarkUSA   Sep-21-10 11:18 PM   #115 
     - Elizabeth Warren is a champion of the people who has been appointed to a position and it remains...  laughingliberal   Sep-21-10 11:46 PM   #126 
        - No, it doesn't "remain to be seen". Warren moved to simplifly mortgage disclosures yesterday.  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 10:42 AM   #235 
           - Actually, she started the process of taking action to simplify mortgage  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-22-10 01:22 PM   #304 
           - And? Funny how the same people who championed her are now her biggest doubters, as if she's a dupe  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 01:50 PM   #320 
              - No, it's simply too soon to know if she has full autonomy in running things  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-22-10 03:28 PM   #340 
                 - CAW CAW  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 05:25 PM   #355 
                    - ??  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-23-10 11:05 AM   #397 
           - He wanted to appoint the toad Gregg to be Sec of Commerce  displacedvermoter   Sep-22-10 03:58 PM   #347 
              - Don't you realize that Gregg would've had to follow Pres. Obama's orders, not the other way around?  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 05:29 PM   #356 
                 - Why did he want to appoint such a POS in the 1st place?  displacedvermoter   Sep-23-10 10:02 AM   #396 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-10 11:16 PM   #114 
     - Do you have any evidence that backs up any your ugly rhetoric? Don't hide behind Krugman, either.  ClarkUSA   Sep-21-10 11:25 PM   #117 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-10 11:45 PM   #124 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-10 11:51 PM   #128 
        - So the Obamas' fundraising and campaigning is all a sham designed to bring about a GOP majority, eh?  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 12:11 AM   #136 
           - I don't know.  laughingliberal   Sep-22-10 12:26 AM   #138 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-22-10 12:00 AM   #134 
     - Predictable dynamic  Radical Activist   Sep-21-10 11:28 PM   #119 
        - The Democratic leadership has done it to themselves  depakid   Sep-21-10 11:41 PM   #123 
           - And you've done your best to make 1994 come about  Radical Activist   Sep-21-10 11:51 PM   #129 
           - LOL- blame and insult the observer & messenger!  depakid   Sep-22-10 12:29 AM   #139 
              - Why does Sirota bother writing if he has no influence on anybody?  Radical Activist   Sep-22-10 12:45 AM   #142 
              - The logic fail is all yours- i.e. you create a false analogy  depakid   Sep-22-10 01:02 AM   #147 
                 - the logic fail is also a false dichotomy  carolinayellowdog   Sep-22-10 10:12 AM   #222 
              - I blame the spin and distortion.  Radical Activist   Sep-22-10 12:48 AM   #145 
           - That's an interesting read....in many ways.  KoKo   Sep-22-10 07:34 AM   #185 
  - Heck, I told them a year ago July that insulting & demoralizing the left would suppress...  laughingliberal   Sep-21-10 11:02 PM   #107 
     - Yep- you were among the many of us who did  depakid   Sep-22-10 12:39 AM   #140 
     - You're wrong. A huge majority of self-described liberals strongly support this President.  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 01:13 AM   #149 
     - well then you can shut up about liberal angst contributing to Democratic losses  ibegurpard   Sep-22-10 01:16 AM   #151 
     - Um, when did I ever say that? Quote? nt  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 02:05 AM   #156 
     - Another reason you want to keep all your constituencies on board for midterms if you're the party in  laughingliberal   Sep-22-10 01:30 AM   #155 
     - You're making another false claim.  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 02:10 AM   #157 
        - Labor Day isn't that far in the past. I've been speaking of a problem with messaging for over a year  laughingliberal   Sep-22-10 03:05 AM   #159 
           - The present is much more relevant since we're talking about the midterms, doncha think?  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 12:06 PM   #271 
              - I believe I've indicated I am happy with his current efforts to keep the House. I do wish he'd  laughingliberal   Sep-22-10 10:53 PM   #390 
     - "Self described liberals" are not necessarily liberal  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-22-10 01:33 PM   #309 
     - And every time we were answered  eilen   Sep-22-10 08:55 AM   #210 
     - Isn't it clear by now that dismissing the left is exactly where the "enthusiasm gap" comes from?  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 11:50 AM   #265 
        - Because you say so? lol! Funny how recent polls show the gap narrowing...  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 12:12 PM   #275 
           - I see. You demand strict proof, but offer none to show critique hurts the party? Convenient.  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 12:28 PM   #281 
              - I never said that. You have a never ending supply of strawman arguments, doncha? Convenient.  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 12:35 PM   #286 
                 - Then simply prove that the critique you're attacking hurts the party.  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 12:37 PM   #287 
                    - Why should I? That's your bailiwick, not mine.  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 12:54 PM   #292 
                       - Proof is not your "bailiwick?" Then I assume you'll stop demanding it from others.  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 12:57 PM   #294 
                          - Again w/the strawman argument. Stop huffing all because I proved your false meme wrong, Dirk Gently  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 01:14 PM   #300 
                             - So, the enthusiasm gap is closing because you refuse to acknowledge any valid critique of Obama?  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 01:18 PM   #302 
                                - That's your fourth strawman argument in this subthread alone. Just sayin'.  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 01:37 PM   #310 
                                   - Just asking questions. Did you ever think of a critique of the President you find "legitimate?"  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 03:29 PM   #341 
                                      - lol! Giving up on the strawman strategy now that I exposed it? I shot down your false meme, too.  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 06:00 PM   #363 
                                         - i don't think "strawman" means what you think it means  nashville_brook   Sep-22-10 06:47 PM   #368 
                                         - Really? Then why don't you tell me what you "think" I "think" it means?  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 07:03 PM   #371 
                                            - I'm concerned you may think it's a way to not name an Obama critique you agree with.  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 07:10 PM   #373 
                                               - I wasn't replying to you. Are you stalking me? You're a bit of a broken record.  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 07:19 PM   #375 
                                         - Well you're certainly doing well. In celebration, can you discuss an Obama critique you agree with?  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 06:49 PM   #369 
                                            - Couldn't have done it w/o you. False memes & litmus tests disguised as "questions" are no-brainers.  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 07:17 PM   #374 
                                               - The devastating Emoticons are your real secret. And not naming an Obama critique you'd agree with.  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 07:44 PM   #377 
                                                  - lol! False memes, strawman arguments, purity litmus tests... it's all so predictable.  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 07:51 PM   #379 
                                                  - Sure, one of those must excuse you from answering an honest question. Or making an argument.  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 09:07 PM   #383 
                                                  - Au contraire. I need no "excuse" to eschew serious dialogue with anyone who embraces perfidy.  ClarkUSA   Sep-23-10 09:52 AM   #395 
  - +1  ClarkUSA   Sep-21-10 11:52 PM   #130 
  - We all defer to your knowledge on how to get out the vote.  Forkboy   Sep-21-10 11:54 PM   #133 
  - Was anybody here doing the same?  Forkboy   Sep-21-10 11:54 PM   #132 
  - K&R....n/t  unkachuck   Sep-21-10 11:09 PM   #109 
  - Everybody knows that donkeys don't respond to dog whistles.  LiberalAndProud   Sep-21-10 11:45 PM   #125 
  - As has been said by others & now Krugman, Obama was elected as a leader of a lib MOVEMENT  kenny blankenship   Sep-22-10 12:14 AM   #137 
  - It's not like no one has tried to convey this to the Obama White House.  EFerrari   Sep-22-10 12:48 AM   #144 
  - How many more columns like this before Krugman attains Hamsher status on DU?  ibegurpard   Sep-22-10 01:06 AM   #148 
  - Please don't insult Krugman like that.  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 01:19 AM   #152 
  - Oh, Krugman has been under the bus a few times. Kind of depends on the day & what he's saying. nt  laughingliberal   Sep-22-10 03:10 AM   #161 
     - Kinda like KO and Maddow.  Lyric   Sep-22-10 11:44 AM   #259 
     - Who's not on the Enemies List at this point? Silent Bob, perhaps?  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 12:30 PM   #283 
  - There is an almost compulsive aspect to the way the MSM plays divide and conquer with Dems.  McCamy Taylor   Sep-22-10 01:13 AM   #150 
  - Krugman is right as usual  Ramulux   Sep-22-10 01:21 AM   #154 
  - he is only refreshing when he leaks a truth now and again.....but a steady dose isn't expected.  earcandle   Sep-22-10 03:06 AM   #160 
  - that's exactly how it feels  CreekDog   Sep-22-10 03:34 AM   #164 
  - K & R  FlyByNight   Sep-22-10 04:04 AM   #165 
  - All I ask of Obama is to welcome their hatred, as did FDR  vssmith   Sep-22-10 05:24 AM   #166 
  - Never happen  peace frog   Sep-22-10 07:11 AM   #178 
  - yes....true..n/t  veganlush   Sep-22-10 06:46 AM   #174 
  - Time to stand up and face the facts  Panaconda   Sep-22-10 07:13 AM   #179 
  - So I've learned something new . . . I'm a DFH.  Vinca   Sep-22-10 07:31 AM   #184 
  - Shout out to a fellow DFH  Le Taz Hot   Sep-22-10 07:41 AM   #190 
  - ALthough it seems that President Obama is chinging  sammyscout   Sep-22-10 07:41 AM   #188 
  - recommend  xchrom   Sep-22-10 07:41 AM   #189 
  - Do dog whistles work for the left?  geek tragedy   Sep-22-10 07:42 AM   #192 
  - The difference is, rhe REAL left, the REAL liberals are convinced only  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-22-10 01:41 PM   #315 
  - K&R! What a wonderful article!  Enthusiast   Sep-22-10 08:12 AM   #202 
  - K&R n/t  myrna minx   Sep-22-10 08:55 AM   #211 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-22-10 09:10 AM   #213 
  - Do you  ProSense   Sep-22-10 09:45 AM   #218 
     - Yes, Krugman thinks HCR is "real change". Funny how his fans here keep ignoring that part.  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 12:18 PM   #278 
  - Neither did Bush take on a "team" of Michael Moore's, Robert Redford's ...or other liberal/  defendandprotect   Sep-22-10 10:03 AM   #219 
  - Yep. He not only appears to have contempt for his base  Lorien   Sep-22-10 10:40 AM   #233 
     - Great points . . . . !!!  defendandprotect   Sep-22-10 11:16 AM   #246 
  - "Professional left" was directed at people equating Democrats and Republicans  LoZoccolo   Sep-22-10 10:44 AM   #237 
  - What's "disingenuous" is a Democratic president putting Repugs in charge of government ....  defendandprotect   Sep-22-10 11:19 AM   #247 
  - Very well said .....  Techn0Girl   Sep-22-10 06:01 PM   #364 
  - Don't know what you're thinking about November . . .  defendandprotect   Sep-22-10 09:14 PM   #385 
  - Could not agree more n/t  MissDeeds   Sep-22-10 06:09 PM   #367 
     - Don't know what you're thinking about November, either .....  defendandprotect   Sep-22-10 09:15 PM   #386 
  - If some critics were wrong, first acknowledge those who are right, eh? Came off weak and defensive.  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 12:45 PM   #290 
  - Funny, when Democrats ACT like Republicans, I think it is incumbent  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-22-10 01:46 PM   #317 
  - Rahm...nothing else to say  Hestia   Sep-22-10 11:12 AM   #244 
  - Could not agree more here... tired of being taken for granted by this administration  budkin   Sep-22-10 11:47 AM   #263 
  - Conclusion: Needs more dog whistle.  guruoo   Sep-22-10 12:29 PM   #282 
  - This all stems from the Obama Whitehouse not being able to admit to some DFHs  Rex   Sep-22-10 12:31 PM   #284 
  - It's great to see so many recs for Krugman since he states that HCR is indeed "real change"  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 12:42 PM   #288 
  - Some people have nuanced opinions and don't "pick a side." We call that "good faith."  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 12:56 PM   #293 
     - Why are you putting "pick a side" in parentheses when I didn't say that? Strawman argument again?  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 01:40 PM   #313 
        - Those are quotation marks. They imply Krugman's praise for Obama doesn't undermine his critique.  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 03:36 PM   #343 
           - No, "they" don't; "quotation marks... imply" the previous poster said the phrase.  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 05:42 PM   #357 
              - Trust me. In this post, they meant Krugman's previous praise doesn't invalidate his criticism.  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 07:00 PM   #370 
                 - "Trust me." Ah, therein lies the rub.  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 07:32 PM   #376 
                    - Fiendishly irrelevant.  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 07:46 PM   #378 
                       - Yes, the OP is. Because most self-described liberals have always strongly approved of Pres. Obama.  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 08:10 PM   #380 
  - K & R n/t  ihavenobias   Sep-22-10 12:44 PM   #289 
  - picks up ball, goes home  placton   Sep-22-10 01:12 PM   #298 
  - Stay. Fight. Send partisan hackery home. It's your Party, not theirs.  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 01:25 PM   #308 
  - There was a great line on "West Wing"  Jakes Progress   Sep-22-10 01:44 PM   #316 
  - sad but sadly true  BrklynLiberal   Sep-22-10 02:45 PM   #326 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-22-10 03:11 PM   #338 
  - Yeah, sure.  ClarkUSA   Sep-22-10 05:48 PM   #359 
  - At this point we know the respect wouldn't be genuine  hulka38   Sep-22-10 03:16 PM   #339 
  - yes, it's an OCD-Obsessive Compulsive Disorder of alienation  katty   Sep-22-10 03:35 PM   #342 
  - I never believed the Republicans prospered by admitting no wrong. Someone's advising Obama otherwise  DirkGently   Sep-22-10 03:43 PM   #346 
  - not enough  creon   Sep-22-10 05:55 PM   #361 
  - Krugman is confusing those that "held their nose" for supporters. nt  AtomicKitten   Sep-23-10 11:52 AM   #398 
 

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