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MikeMc Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 10:07 AM
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175. Al Franken on SS:
"The Greatest Generation beat the Nazis. If we broke the social contract and stopped paying into Social Security, imagine what they'd do to us. Let's face it. We're kind of soft." -- "The Truth", page 217.
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  -Social Security is not an Entitlement! MannyGoldstein  Sep-20-10 08:08 PM   #0 
  - K&R  Cleita   Sep-20-10 08:12 PM   #1 
  - That's an entitlement.  rucky   Sep-20-10 08:12 PM   #2 
  - agreed. it's just one of those many good words republicans say with a sneer so often  unblock   Sep-20-10 08:19 PM   #8 
  - They are misusing the word, not you.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-21-10 11:09 AM   #104 
  - Unfortunately the money in Social Security has been replaced by IOU's  NorthCarolina   Sep-20-10 09:18 PM   #40 
  - Those IOUs are also known as "Treasury Bills"  MannyGoldstein   Sep-20-10 09:27 PM   #43 
  - The Chinese own T-bills and notes  customerserviceguy   Sep-21-10 05:53 PM   #155 
  - It was be disasterous to the economy  TxVietVet   Sep-21-10 07:11 PM   #161 
  - "Special Issue Securities" not T-Bills  PoliticAverse   Sep-21-10 07:55 PM   #166 
  - Well it's not optional. n/t  eShirl   Sep-20-10 09:55 PM   #52 
  - Read post # 43. nt  Enthusiast   Sep-21-10 09:22 AM   #80 
  - But like the word 'liberal', entitlement  Enthusiast   Sep-21-10 09:20 AM   #79 
  - Isn't SS really  femrap   Sep-21-10 12:36 PM   #115 
     - Whatever it is called,  Enthusiast   Sep-22-10 06:56 AM   #172 
        - I have no doubt of  femrap   Sep-22-10 09:34 AM   #173 
           - Yes, it is tangible...nt  Enthusiast   Sep-22-10 09:40 AM   #174 
  - "Entitlement" is a Republican frame.  JDPriestly   Sep-21-10 03:40 PM   #131 
     - The conservanazis like to use the word "entitlements" to define  TxVietVet   Sep-21-10 07:15 PM   #163 
  - Agreed. nt  TBF   Sep-20-10 08:15 PM   #3 
  - It's a pension plan WE pay for!  Mimosa   Sep-20-10 08:15 PM   #4 
  - Holy moley! Even this gets un-reced  MannyGoldstein   Sep-20-10 08:16 PM   #5 
  - Don't worry I recced it back up.  kenfrequed   Sep-21-10 08:08 AM   #71 
  - "Entitlement" isn't a bad word, IMHO. We ARE entitled to it because  pnwmom   Sep-20-10 08:18 PM   #6 
  - Many who are alive today will collect 2-3 times what they put in  PeaceNikki   Sep-20-10 08:18 PM   #7 
  - Most people don't get that.  ProSense   Sep-20-10 08:25 PM   #17 
  - Some people die before they collect anything at all...  JuniperLea   Sep-20-10 08:43 PM   #23 
  - thats the price they pay being undocumented workers  BigD_95   Sep-21-10 01:45 PM   #126 
  - You don't contribute to pay for yourself. You pay for those collecting now...  Fearless   Sep-20-10 08:58 PM   #35 
  - That's true, but  ProSense   Sep-20-10 09:06 PM   #37 
  - It is a government debt based on a contract the government made  JDPriestly   Sep-21-10 04:01 PM   #134 
     - Fleming vs Nestor, SS is not an enforceable contract  PoliticAverse   Sep-21-10 07:26 PM   #165 
        - Not the first time the Supreme Court was wrong.  JDPriestly   Sep-22-10 01:07 AM   #170 
  - Unfortunately since 1983 that is not how the plan has been  exboyfil   Sep-21-10 12:54 AM   #62 
     - Right on! nt  Enthusiast   Sep-21-10 09:25 AM   #83 
  - Sure they do...It is a part of their income they don't see, their employer puts it in for them..  Toots   Sep-21-10 08:23 AM   #72 
  - But the money's worth a whole lot less by the time they get it.  freedom fighter jh   Sep-21-10 09:36 AM   #85 
  - that's not a fair comparison  hfojvt   Sep-21-10 10:53 AM   #96 
  - hojvt, your post is shortsighted.  JDPriestly   Sep-21-10 04:21 PM   #135 
  - Your figuring leaves out a few things  dixiegrrrrl   Sep-21-10 04:29 PM   #140 
  - put 300-400 in monthly for 40 years, collect 1200 monthly for 12 years.  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-21-10 10:59 AM   #99 
  - yes he does...  awoke_in_2003   Sep-21-10 05:33 PM   #152 
  - you sure as fuck don't get what SS is about ..or you don't give a damn about fucking anyone as long  flyarm   Sep-21-10 03:42 PM   #132 
  - A Coke used to cost a nickel.  JDPriestly   Sep-21-10 03:53 PM   #133 
  - Really? You aren't leaving much room for inflation are you?  juajen   Sep-21-10 06:18 PM   #157 
  - And many will die before collecting one red cent...  JuniperLea   Sep-20-10 08:42 PM   #22 
  - So how do you avoid that?  ProSense   Sep-20-10 08:45 PM   #26 
  - It's a risk, no question...  JuniperLea   Sep-20-10 08:49 PM   #28 
  - I get that.  PeaceNikki   Sep-20-10 08:48 PM   #27 
  - But that's not the same thing...  JuniperLea   Sep-20-10 08:50 PM   #29 
  - Thank you for your common sense answer.  truedelphi   Sep-20-10 09:09 PM   #39 
     - One of my parents died in his early 60s. The other is still  JDPriestly   Sep-21-10 04:25 PM   #137 
  - After accounting for interest?  MannyGoldstein   Sep-20-10 08:44 PM   #24 
  - Good call...  JuniperLea   Sep-20-10 08:51 PM   #30 
  - Most definitely  ProSense   Sep-20-10 08:55 PM   #34 
     - Link please?  MannyGoldstein   Sep-20-10 09:01 PM   #36 
     - Social Security  ProSense   Sep-20-10 09:18 PM   #41 
        - I don't get your point  MannyGoldstein   Sep-20-10 11:23 PM   #56 
     - Not even close to the truth.  W_HAMILTON   Sep-21-10 06:05 AM   #67 
  - True. It isn't a pension plan.  Radical Activist   Sep-20-10 10:19 PM   #55 
  - If you pay into a property insurance policy, you may receive far more  JDPriestly   Sep-21-10 04:26 PM   #138 
  - and many will not. perhaps the problem is you don't get it.  Hannah Bell   Sep-20-10 11:42 PM   #59 
  - I get it. Don't act like I am some right-wing asshole, ok?  PeaceNikki   Sep-20-10 11:45 PM   #60 
     - my error, then.  Hannah Bell   Sep-20-10 11:47 PM   #61 
  - Do you have any evidence for this assertion?  Greyhound   Sep-21-10 01:23 AM   #64 
  - So if you invest in stocks and get 2-3 times the return someday is that an entitlement too?  harun   Sep-21-10 07:44 AM   #70 
  - bullcrap..many generations we paid for that never paid into it or paid very little into it  flyarm   Sep-21-10 03:38 PM   #130 
     - True. Baby boomers paid in more because it is believed that  JDPriestly   Sep-21-10 04:31 PM   #141 
        - And please do not forget those elected in our government that were equally responsible,In Both  flyarm   Sep-21-10 09:52 PM   #168 
  - I am entitled to my wages and that includes social security - politicians don't call their pensions  stray cat   Sep-20-10 08:19 PM   #9 
  - The pensions and health insurance of politicians are government and tax funded entitlements  stray cat   Sep-20-10 08:20 PM   #12 
     - Exactly...  JuniperLea   Sep-20-10 08:52 PM   #31 
  - Don't accept their definition of entitlement.  glitch   Sep-20-10 08:19 PM   #10 
  - Exactly!!! I paid into it for over 50 F'en years. One half century!!! I am so so so pissed with  RKP5637   Sep-20-10 08:20 PM   #11 
  - I'm afraid I'm going to end up just where you are now.  pa28   Sep-21-10 12:55 AM   #63 
     - I had one R tell me "what would we do if the really wealthy took their money  RKP5637   Sep-21-10 10:11 AM   #92 
     - The banks just don't want your generation to have a secure  JDPriestly   Sep-21-10 04:34 PM   #142 
  - It's an entitlement program  ProSense   Sep-20-10 08:20 PM   #13 
  - Like the estate tax that the GOP calls so evil? I pay into disability  stray cat   Sep-20-10 08:21 PM   #14 
  - You also pay into unemployment  ProSense   Sep-20-10 08:29 PM   #19 
     - Employers pay for unemployment insurance, not employees.  W_HAMILTON   Sep-21-10 06:10 AM   #68 
     - That varies by state n/t  eggman67   Sep-21-10 09:30 AM   #84 
        - Please explain...  W_HAMILTON   Sep-21-10 09:36 AM   #86 
           - Excerpt from ProSense's Social Security (and Unemployment )Link  MikeMc   Sep-21-10 10:23 AM   #94 
           - What point are you making exactly?  ProSense   Sep-21-10 01:06 PM   #119 
              - Sorry Pro, didn't try to be disagreeable.  MikeMc   Sep-21-10 06:46 PM   #158 
           - Pennsylvania, for one  eggman67   Sep-21-10 02:56 PM   #127 
     - You have a strangely egotistical view of the world, ProSense.  JDPriestly   Sep-21-10 04:40 PM   #143 
  - That's a tiny bit of it.  MannyGoldstein   Sep-20-10 08:45 PM   #25 
  - If you're retired and drawing ss, you get no money from ss for a child  juajen   Sep-21-10 07:14 PM   #162 
  - Oh come on now. Hannity pretty much told me its welfare for old people you know.  MichiganVote   Sep-20-10 08:22 PM   #15 
  - As a self-employed person  catrose   Sep-21-10 06:08 PM   #156 
  - No, it is NOT.  TheWraith   Sep-20-10 08:24 PM   #16 
  - Same as many other pension plans.  MannyGoldstein   Sep-20-10 08:41 PM   #21 
  - Sorry... that's how pension plans work too...  JuniperLea   Sep-20-10 08:53 PM   #32 
  - Not quite.  TheWraith   Sep-20-10 11:38 PM   #57 
     - Actually, it depends on the type of pension -- TheWraith.  JDPriestly   Sep-21-10 04:44 PM   #146 
  - Think of a pot luck supper. Everybody puts something on the  JDPriestly   Sep-21-10 04:42 PM   #144 
  - And we will eventually be entitled to it....when we're 70  Crazy Dave   Sep-20-10 08:26 PM   #18 
  - The idea that all FDR created was a huge saving account is  ProSense   Sep-20-10 08:41 PM   #20 
     - Right... so Goldman Sachs can manage your money...  JuniperLea   Sep-20-10 08:54 PM   #33 
        - You are comparing Social Security to  ProSense   Sep-20-10 09:23 PM   #42 
  - By definition it is an entitlement...  Ozymanithrax   Sep-20-10 09:07 PM   #38 
  - i get an accounting of MY input. it's bought and paid for.  spanone   Sep-20-10 09:28 PM   #44 
  - Why can't we take back the effing WORD??  eridani   Sep-20-10 09:34 PM   #45 
  - same goes for Social Security Disability INSURANCE  CountAllVotes   Sep-20-10 09:37 PM   #46 
  - SS hawks love to use that term because it implies welfare.  pa28   Sep-20-10 09:39 PM   #47 
  - It *IS* an entitlement by definition. Denying it implies that "entitlements" are bad.  PeaceNikki   Sep-20-10 09:41 PM   #48 
  - I'm not sure I want to embrace the idea of having entitlements and "entitlements".  pa28   Sep-20-10 10:10 PM   #53 
     - "calling it anything less than savings"  ProSense   Sep-20-10 10:16 PM   #54 
        - Many companies have 401(K)s.  JDPriestly   Sep-21-10 04:51 PM   #147 
  - The hawks want to  ProSense   Sep-20-10 09:42 PM   #49 
     - Yes. This.  PeaceNikki   Sep-20-10 09:53 PM   #51 
  - K&R....n/t  unkachuck   Sep-20-10 09:53 PM   #50 
  - LOL  Hubert Flottz   Sep-21-10 09:55 AM   #88 
  - Yes it is, but that's ok. nt  Obamanaut   Sep-20-10 11:40 PM   #58 
  - Private pension plans change the rules all the time  spinbaby   Sep-21-10 05:23 AM   #65 
  - ss was designed to avoid that.  tomp   Sep-21-10 05:47 AM   #66 
  - Bernanke always says that and Obama should fire anyone he can fire who says that.  harun   Sep-21-10 07:43 AM   #69 
  - I'm with you Manny!  Hubert Flottz   Sep-21-10 08:26 AM   #73 
  - SS IS an Entitlement and is a legal term ...  mntleo2   Sep-21-10 08:46 AM   #74 
  - Why are we so afraid of this word?  PeaceNikki   Sep-21-10 09:01 AM   #76 
     - We shouldn't be afraid of that word  mntleo2   Sep-21-10 09:18 AM   #77 
     - Agreed.  PeaceNikki   Sep-21-10 10:55 AM   #97 
     - +1 n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-21-10 11:50 AM   #112 
  - K&R! //nt  Overseas   Sep-21-10 08:55 AM   #75 
  - Absolutely fucking right on.  Enthusiast   Sep-21-10 09:19 AM   #78 
  - But it IS an entitlement ...  mntleo2   Sep-21-10 09:25 AM   #81 
     - What's wrong with "entitlement?"  JDPriestly   Sep-21-10 04:54 PM   #148 
  - If anyone is interested in the facts  ProSense   Sep-21-10 09:25 AM   #82 
  - I see section 202, Manny is still right.  MikeMc   Sep-21-10 10:45 AM   #95 
     - It's an entitlement program,  ProSense   Sep-21-10 01:07 PM   #120 
        - Sorry again, Pro. Post # 158 contains my apologies to you. NT.  MikeMc   Sep-21-10 06:49 PM   #159 
  - Your statement is 100% accurate. nt  Lucky Luciano   Sep-21-10 09:53 AM   #87 
  - +1. Ike E. & Manny G.  MikeMc   Sep-21-10 10:00 AM   #89 
  - Please don't validate the Republican redefinition of "entitlement" as a bad thing.  Lyric   Sep-21-10 10:01 AM   #90 
  - Social Security is a debt the government owes to seniors.  JDPriestly   Sep-21-10 04:59 PM   #149 
     - Al Franken on SS:  MikeMc   Sep-22-10 10:07 AM   #175 
  - Like it or not, the word entitlement has been co-opted by the greed monkeys.  alberg   Sep-21-10 10:10 AM   #91 
  - I believe that the language argument is important  Lyric   Sep-21-10 10:18 AM   #93 
     - I believe the language battle is a lost cause. There isn't enough time to reframe using "their" word  alberg   Sep-21-10 11:01 AM   #100 
     - It's not a lost cause,  ProSense   Sep-21-10 11:07 AM   #102 
     - + 1 on your link in post # 90, thanks.  MikeMc   Sep-21-10 11:16 AM   #105 
  - It IS an entitlement - what you mean, it is not welfare.  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-21-10 10:56 AM   #98 
  - So our choice is this: take decades to try to change the meaning of the word  alberg   Sep-21-10 11:09 AM   #103 
  - Forgive this vacuous Canadian, but I have a question regarding SS payments  OnlinePoker   Sep-21-10 11:04 AM   #101 
  - Unfortunately everyone just lies about SS here on both sides, so it is tough  harun   Sep-21-10 11:26 AM   #107 
  - How the system works  PoliticAverse   Sep-21-10 07:11 PM   #160 
  - I would agree  florida08   Sep-21-10 11:25 AM   #106 
  - We have term limits in California.  JDPriestly   Sep-21-10 05:15 PM   #150 
  - some issues I have with Soc Security  littlewolf   Sep-21-10 11:33 AM   #108 
  - You can save in addition to Social Security.  JDPriestly   Sep-21-10 05:19 PM   #151 
  - Flemming vs Nestor - no right to SS benefits.  PoliticAverse   Sep-21-10 07:16 PM   #164 
  - It's the entitlement that's supposed to be there...  Orsino   Sep-21-10 11:41 AM   #109 
  - Perhaps true, but then "entitlement" was never a dirty word until conservatives got hold of it.  DirkGently   Sep-21-10 11:46 AM   #110 
  - It is an entitlement. If you meet the terms, you're entitled to the benefit.  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-21-10 11:47 AM   #111 
  - Very strange OP if the intent is to be supportive of Social Security...  Spazito   Sep-21-10 11:56 AM   #113 
  - Ayup.  PeaceNikki   Sep-21-10 12:52 PM   #116 
  - Repukes use the word 'entitlement' as to mean 'hand out' where have you been?  Rex   Sep-21-10 12:56 PM   #118 
     - So what if the repukes are too stupid to know what the word means....  Spazito   Sep-21-10 01:07 PM   #121 
        - uh huh  PeaceNikki   Sep-21-10 01:10 PM   #122 
  - All your social security are belong to us  demi moore   Sep-21-10 12:01 PM   #114 
  - If I could rec this thread a million times I would!  Rex   Sep-21-10 12:54 PM   #117 
  - i agree. it pisses me off  DesertFlower   Sep-21-10 01:19 PM   #123 
  - Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Sep-21-10 01:27 PM   #124 
  - K & R ++++ n/t  N_E_1 for Tennis   Sep-21-10 01:39 PM   #125 
  - OH YES!!!!!!  bobburgster   Sep-21-10 03:08 PM   #128 
  - Damn Right! Thank you for always telling the truth of the matter Manny!!!  flyarm   Sep-21-10 03:36 PM   #129 
  - Entitlement does NOT equal hand-out. Stop buying into the right-wing bullshit  PeaceNikki   Sep-21-10 04:24 PM   #136 
     - What????????? did you read what i wrote????????? seems not. eom  flyarm   Sep-21-10 05:43 PM   #153 
        - Sure did. You are saying it's not an entitlement because you paid into it.  PeaceNikki   Sep-21-10 05:45 PM   #154 
           - Social Security is an Insurance all workers paid into..it is not an entitlement!  flyarm   Sep-21-10 09:45 PM   #167 
              - Yes, it is. In fact it's a TEXTBOOK example of an entitlement.  PeaceNikki   Sep-22-10 12:38 PM   #176 
  - Private pension plans change the rules all the time  KamaAina   Sep-21-10 04:28 PM   #139 
  - No, the private-industry people would NOT go to jail. Ask the retirees of Bethlehem Steel.  WinkyDink   Sep-21-10 04:43 PM   #145 
  - Of course it's an entitlement. BUT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH ENTITLEMENTS  EstimatedProphet   Sep-21-10 09:58 PM   #169 
     - Stop it! We need to cower and run and hide because the right-wing has made this a dirty word.  PeaceNikki   Sep-22-10 06:38 AM   #171 
 

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