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Wed Sep-22-10 06:38 AM
Response to Reply #169 |
| 171. Stop it! We need to cower and run and hide because the right-wing has made this a dirty word. |
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Never mind what the definition of the word is.  |
| -Social Security is not an Entitlement! |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-20-10 08:08 PM |
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K&R |
Cleita |
Sep-20-10 08:12 PM |
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That's an entitlement. |
rucky |
Sep-20-10 08:12 PM |
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agreed. it's just one of those many good words republicans say with a sneer so often |
unblock |
Sep-20-10 08:19 PM |
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They are misusing the word, not you. |
AtheistCrusader |
Sep-21-10 11:09 AM |
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Unfortunately the money in Social Security has been replaced by IOU's |
NorthCarolina |
Sep-20-10 09:18 PM |
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Those IOUs are also known as "Treasury Bills" |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-20-10 09:27 PM |
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The Chinese own T-bills and notes |
customerserviceguy |
Sep-21-10 05:53 PM |
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It was be disasterous to the economy |
TxVietVet |
Sep-21-10 07:11 PM |
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"Special Issue Securities" not T-Bills |
PoliticAverse |
Sep-21-10 07:55 PM |
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Well it's not optional. n/t |
eShirl |
Sep-20-10 09:55 PM |
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Read post # 43. nt |
Enthusiast |
Sep-21-10 09:22 AM |
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But like the word 'liberal', entitlement |
Enthusiast |
Sep-21-10 09:20 AM |
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Isn't SS really |
femrap |
Sep-21-10 12:36 PM |
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Whatever it is called, |
Enthusiast |
Sep-22-10 06:56 AM |
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I have no doubt of |
femrap |
Sep-22-10 09:34 AM |
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Yes, it is tangible...nt |
Enthusiast |
Sep-22-10 09:40 AM |
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"Entitlement" is a Republican frame. |
JDPriestly |
Sep-21-10 03:40 PM |
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The conservanazis like to use the word "entitlements" to define |
TxVietVet |
Sep-21-10 07:15 PM |
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Agreed. nt |
TBF |
Sep-20-10 08:15 PM |
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It's a pension plan WE pay for! |
Mimosa |
Sep-20-10 08:15 PM |
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Holy moley! Even this gets un-reced |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-20-10 08:16 PM |
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Don't worry I recced it back up. |
kenfrequed |
Sep-21-10 08:08 AM |
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"Entitlement" isn't a bad word, IMHO. We ARE entitled to it because |
pnwmom |
Sep-20-10 08:18 PM |
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Many who are alive today will collect 2-3 times what they put in |
PeaceNikki |
Sep-20-10 08:18 PM |
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Most people don't get that. |
ProSense |
Sep-20-10 08:25 PM |
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Some people die before they collect anything at all... |
JuniperLea |
Sep-20-10 08:43 PM |
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thats the price they pay being undocumented workers |
BigD_95 |
Sep-21-10 01:45 PM |
#126 |
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You don't contribute to pay for yourself. You pay for those collecting now... |
Fearless |
Sep-20-10 08:58 PM |
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That's true, but |
ProSense |
Sep-20-10 09:06 PM |
#37 |
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It is a government debt based on a contract the government made |
JDPriestly |
Sep-21-10 04:01 PM |
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Fleming vs Nestor, SS is not an enforceable contract |
PoliticAverse |
Sep-21-10 07:26 PM |
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Not the first time the Supreme Court was wrong. |
JDPriestly |
Sep-22-10 01:07 AM |
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Unfortunately since 1983 that is not how the plan has been |
exboyfil |
Sep-21-10 12:54 AM |
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Right on! nt |
Enthusiast |
Sep-21-10 09:25 AM |
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Sure they do...It is a part of their income they don't see, their employer puts it in for them.. |
Toots |
Sep-21-10 08:23 AM |
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But the money's worth a whole lot less by the time they get it. |
freedom fighter jh |
Sep-21-10 09:36 AM |
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that's not a fair comparison |
hfojvt |
Sep-21-10 10:53 AM |
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hojvt, your post is shortsighted. |
JDPriestly |
Sep-21-10 04:21 PM |
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Your figuring leaves out a few things |
dixiegrrrrl |
Sep-21-10 04:29 PM |
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put 300-400 in monthly for 40 years, collect 1200 monthly for 12 years. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Sep-21-10 10:59 AM |
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yes he does... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Sep-21-10 05:33 PM |
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you sure as fuck don't get what SS is about ..or you don't give a damn about fucking anyone as long |
flyarm |
Sep-21-10 03:42 PM |
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A Coke used to cost a nickel. |
JDPriestly |
Sep-21-10 03:53 PM |
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Really? You aren't leaving much room for inflation are you? |
juajen |
Sep-21-10 06:18 PM |
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And many will die before collecting one red cent... |
JuniperLea |
Sep-20-10 08:42 PM |
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So how do you avoid that? |
ProSense |
Sep-20-10 08:45 PM |
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It's a risk, no question... |
JuniperLea |
Sep-20-10 08:49 PM |
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I get that. |
PeaceNikki |
Sep-20-10 08:48 PM |
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But that's not the same thing... |
JuniperLea |
Sep-20-10 08:50 PM |
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Thank you for your common sense answer. |
truedelphi |
Sep-20-10 09:09 PM |
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One of my parents died in his early 60s. The other is still |
JDPriestly |
Sep-21-10 04:25 PM |
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After accounting for interest? |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-20-10 08:44 PM |
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Good call... |
JuniperLea |
Sep-20-10 08:51 PM |
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Most definitely |
ProSense |
Sep-20-10 08:55 PM |
#34 |
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Link please? |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-20-10 09:01 PM |
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Social Security |
ProSense |
Sep-20-10 09:18 PM |
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I don't get your point |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-20-10 11:23 PM |
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Not even close to the truth. |
W_HAMILTON |
Sep-21-10 06:05 AM |
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True. It isn't a pension plan. |
Radical Activist |
Sep-20-10 10:19 PM |
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If you pay into a property insurance policy, you may receive far more |
JDPriestly |
Sep-21-10 04:26 PM |
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and many will not. perhaps the problem is you don't get it. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-20-10 11:42 PM |
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I get it. Don't act like I am some right-wing asshole, ok? |
PeaceNikki |
Sep-20-10 11:45 PM |
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my error, then. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-20-10 11:47 PM |
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Do you have any evidence for this assertion? |
Greyhound |
Sep-21-10 01:23 AM |
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So if you invest in stocks and get 2-3 times the return someday is that an entitlement too? |
harun |
Sep-21-10 07:44 AM |
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bullcrap..many generations we paid for that never paid into it or paid very little into it |
flyarm |
Sep-21-10 03:38 PM |
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True. Baby boomers paid in more because it is believed that |
JDPriestly |
Sep-21-10 04:31 PM |
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And please do not forget those elected in our government that were equally responsible,In Both |
flyarm |
Sep-21-10 09:52 PM |
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I am entitled to my wages and that includes social security - politicians don't call their pensions |
stray cat |
Sep-20-10 08:19 PM |
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The pensions and health insurance of politicians are government and tax funded entitlements |
stray cat |
Sep-20-10 08:20 PM |
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Exactly... |
JuniperLea |
Sep-20-10 08:52 PM |
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Don't accept their definition of entitlement. |
glitch |
Sep-20-10 08:19 PM |
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Exactly!!! I paid into it for over 50 F'en years. One half century!!! I am so so so pissed with |
RKP5637 |
Sep-20-10 08:20 PM |
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I'm afraid I'm going to end up just where you are now. |
pa28 |
Sep-21-10 12:55 AM |
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I had one R tell me "what would we do if the really wealthy took their money |
RKP5637 |
Sep-21-10 10:11 AM |
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The banks just don't want your generation to have a secure |
JDPriestly |
Sep-21-10 04:34 PM |
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It's an entitlement program |
ProSense |
Sep-20-10 08:20 PM |
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Like the estate tax that the GOP calls so evil? I pay into disability |
stray cat |
Sep-20-10 08:21 PM |
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You also pay into unemployment |
ProSense |
Sep-20-10 08:29 PM |
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Employers pay for unemployment insurance, not employees. |
W_HAMILTON |
Sep-21-10 06:10 AM |
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That varies by state n/t |
eggman67 |
Sep-21-10 09:30 AM |
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Please explain... |
W_HAMILTON |
Sep-21-10 09:36 AM |
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Excerpt from ProSense's Social Security (and Unemployment )Link |
MikeMc |
Sep-21-10 10:23 AM |
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What point are you making exactly? |
ProSense |
Sep-21-10 01:06 PM |
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Sorry Pro, didn't try to be disagreeable. |
MikeMc |
Sep-21-10 06:46 PM |
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Pennsylvania, for one |
eggman67 |
Sep-21-10 02:56 PM |
#127 |
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You have a strangely egotistical view of the world, ProSense. |
JDPriestly |
Sep-21-10 04:40 PM |
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That's a tiny bit of it. |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-20-10 08:45 PM |
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If you're retired and drawing ss, you get no money from ss for a child |
juajen |
Sep-21-10 07:14 PM |
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Oh come on now. Hannity pretty much told me its welfare for old people you know. |
MichiganVote |
Sep-20-10 08:22 PM |
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As a self-employed person |
catrose |
Sep-21-10 06:08 PM |
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No, it is NOT. |
TheWraith |
Sep-20-10 08:24 PM |
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Same as many other pension plans. |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-20-10 08:41 PM |
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Sorry... that's how pension plans work too... |
JuniperLea |
Sep-20-10 08:53 PM |
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Not quite. |
TheWraith |
Sep-20-10 11:38 PM |
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Actually, it depends on the type of pension -- TheWraith. |
JDPriestly |
Sep-21-10 04:44 PM |
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Think of a pot luck supper. Everybody puts something on the |
JDPriestly |
Sep-21-10 04:42 PM |
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And we will eventually be entitled to it....when we're 70 |
Crazy Dave |
Sep-20-10 08:26 PM |
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The idea that all FDR created was a huge saving account is |
ProSense |
Sep-20-10 08:41 PM |
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Right... so Goldman Sachs can manage your money... |
JuniperLea |
Sep-20-10 08:54 PM |
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You are comparing Social Security to |
ProSense |
Sep-20-10 09:23 PM |
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By definition it is an entitlement... |
Ozymanithrax |
Sep-20-10 09:07 PM |
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i get an accounting of MY input. it's bought and paid for. |
spanone |
Sep-20-10 09:28 PM |
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Why can't we take back the effing WORD?? |
eridani |
Sep-20-10 09:34 PM |
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same goes for Social Security Disability INSURANCE |
CountAllVotes |
Sep-20-10 09:37 PM |
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SS hawks love to use that term because it implies welfare. |
pa28 |
Sep-20-10 09:39 PM |
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It *IS* an entitlement by definition. Denying it implies that "entitlements" are bad. |
PeaceNikki |
Sep-20-10 09:41 PM |
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I'm not sure I want to embrace the idea of having entitlements and "entitlements". |
pa28 |
Sep-20-10 10:10 PM |
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"calling it anything less than savings" |
ProSense |
Sep-20-10 10:16 PM |
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Many companies have 401(K)s. |
JDPriestly |
Sep-21-10 04:51 PM |
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The hawks want to |
ProSense |
Sep-20-10 09:42 PM |
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Yes. This. |
PeaceNikki |
Sep-20-10 09:53 PM |
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K&R....n/t |
unkachuck |
Sep-20-10 09:53 PM |
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LOL |
Hubert Flottz |
Sep-21-10 09:55 AM |
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Yes it is, but that's ok. nt |
Obamanaut |
Sep-20-10 11:40 PM |
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Private pension plans change the rules all the time |
spinbaby |
Sep-21-10 05:23 AM |
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ss was designed to avoid that. |
tomp |
Sep-21-10 05:47 AM |
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Bernanke always says that and Obama should fire anyone he can fire who says that. |
harun |
Sep-21-10 07:43 AM |
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I'm with you Manny! |
Hubert Flottz |
Sep-21-10 08:26 AM |
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SS IS an Entitlement and is a legal term ... |
mntleo2 |
Sep-21-10 08:46 AM |
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Why are we so afraid of this word? |
PeaceNikki |
Sep-21-10 09:01 AM |
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We shouldn't be afraid of that word |
mntleo2 |
Sep-21-10 09:18 AM |
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Agreed. |
PeaceNikki |
Sep-21-10 10:55 AM |
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+1 n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-21-10 11:50 AM |
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K&R! //nt |
Overseas |
Sep-21-10 08:55 AM |
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Absolutely fucking right on. |
Enthusiast |
Sep-21-10 09:19 AM |
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But it IS an entitlement ... |
mntleo2 |
Sep-21-10 09:25 AM |
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What's wrong with "entitlement?" |
JDPriestly |
Sep-21-10 04:54 PM |
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If anyone is interested in the facts |
ProSense |
Sep-21-10 09:25 AM |
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I see section 202, Manny is still right. |
MikeMc |
Sep-21-10 10:45 AM |
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It's an entitlement program, |
ProSense |
Sep-21-10 01:07 PM |
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Sorry again, Pro. Post # 158 contains my apologies to you. NT. |
MikeMc |
Sep-21-10 06:49 PM |
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Your statement is 100% accurate. nt |
Lucky Luciano |
Sep-21-10 09:53 AM |
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+1. Ike E. & Manny G. |
MikeMc |
Sep-21-10 10:00 AM |
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Please don't validate the Republican redefinition of "entitlement" as a bad thing. |
Lyric |
Sep-21-10 10:01 AM |
#90 |
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Social Security is a debt the government owes to seniors. |
JDPriestly |
Sep-21-10 04:59 PM |
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Al Franken on SS: |
MikeMc |
Sep-22-10 10:07 AM |
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Like it or not, the word “entitlement” has been co-opted by the greed monkeys. |
alberg |
Sep-21-10 10:10 AM |
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I believe that the language argument is important |
Lyric |
Sep-21-10 10:18 AM |
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I believe the language battle is a lost cause. There isn't enough time to reframe using "their" word |
alberg |
Sep-21-10 11:01 AM |
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It's not a lost cause, |
ProSense |
Sep-21-10 11:07 AM |
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+ 1 on your link in post # 90, thanks. |
MikeMc |
Sep-21-10 11:16 AM |
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It IS an entitlement - what you mean, it is not welfare. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Sep-21-10 10:56 AM |
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So our choice is this: take decades to try to change the meaning of the word |
alberg |
Sep-21-10 11:09 AM |
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Forgive this vacuous Canadian, but I have a question regarding SS payments |
OnlinePoker |
Sep-21-10 11:04 AM |
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Unfortunately everyone just lies about SS here on both sides, so it is tough |
harun |
Sep-21-10 11:26 AM |
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How the system works |
PoliticAverse |
Sep-21-10 07:11 PM |
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I would agree |
florida08 |
Sep-21-10 11:25 AM |
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We have term limits in California. |
JDPriestly |
Sep-21-10 05:15 PM |
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some issues I have with Soc Security |
littlewolf |
Sep-21-10 11:33 AM |
#108 |
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You can save in addition to Social Security. |
JDPriestly |
Sep-21-10 05:19 PM |
#151 |
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Flemming vs Nestor - no right to SS benefits. |
PoliticAverse |
Sep-21-10 07:16 PM |
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It's the entitlement that's supposed to be there... |
Orsino |
Sep-21-10 11:41 AM |
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Perhaps true, but then "entitlement" was never a dirty word until conservatives got hold of it. |
DirkGently |
Sep-21-10 11:46 AM |
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It is an entitlement. If you meet the terms, you're entitled to the benefit. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-21-10 11:47 AM |
#111 |
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Very strange OP if the intent is to be supportive of Social Security... |
Spazito |
Sep-21-10 11:56 AM |
#113 |
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Ayup. |
PeaceNikki |
Sep-21-10 12:52 PM |
#116 |
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Repukes use the word 'entitlement' as to mean 'hand out' where have you been? |
Rex |
Sep-21-10 12:56 PM |
#118 |
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So what if the repukes are too stupid to know what the word means.... |
Spazito |
Sep-21-10 01:07 PM |
#121 |
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uh huh |
PeaceNikki |
Sep-21-10 01:10 PM |
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All your social security are belong to us |
demi moore |
Sep-21-10 12:01 PM |
#114 |
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If I could rec this thread a million times I would! |
Rex |
Sep-21-10 12:54 PM |
#117 |
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i agree. it pisses me off |
DesertFlower |
Sep-21-10 01:19 PM |
#123 |
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Kicked and recommended. |
Uncle Joe |
Sep-21-10 01:27 PM |
#124 |
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K & R ++++ n/t |
N_E_1 for Tennis |
Sep-21-10 01:39 PM |
#125 |
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OH YES!!!!!! |
bobburgster |
Sep-21-10 03:08 PM |
#128 |
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Damn Right! Thank you for always telling the truth of the matter Manny!!! |
flyarm |
Sep-21-10 03:36 PM |
#129 |
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Entitlement does NOT equal hand-out. Stop buying into the right-wing bullshit |
PeaceNikki |
Sep-21-10 04:24 PM |
#136 |
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What????????? did you read what i wrote????????? seems not. eom |
flyarm |
Sep-21-10 05:43 PM |
#153 |
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Sure did. You are saying it's not an entitlement because you paid into it. |
PeaceNikki |
Sep-21-10 05:45 PM |
#154 |
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Social Security is an Insurance all workers paid into..it is not an entitlement! |
flyarm |
Sep-21-10 09:45 PM |
#167 |
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Yes, it is. In fact it's a TEXTBOOK example of an entitlement. |
PeaceNikki |
Sep-22-10 12:38 PM |
#176 |
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Private pension plans change the rules all the time |
KamaAina |
Sep-21-10 04:28 PM |
#139 |
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No, the private-industry people would NOT go to jail. Ask the retirees of Bethlehem Steel. |
WinkyDink |
Sep-21-10 04:43 PM |
#145 |
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Of course it's an entitlement. BUT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH ENTITLEMENTS |
EstimatedProphet |
Sep-21-10 09:58 PM |
#169 |
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Stop it! We need to cower and run and hide because the right-wing has made this a dirty word. |
PeaceNikki |
Sep-22-10 06:38 AM |
#171 |
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