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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 05:40 PM
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73. None of the above.
Pioneers were a mix of violent sociopaths and empathetic people wanting a better life.

An example of a most "successful" and violent physical and cultural Genocide was committed against the American Indian and native ecology in the USA.

Desperate people of good heart also ecked out a new and hard life of hope as a by-product. Population grew and immigrants came hoping for the same better life. Genocide against peoples and nature continues and is exported. Cynically, "Benefit" is propagandized and disproportionate.
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  -How would you rate the early pioneers who settled this country? AnArmyVeteran  Sep-20-10 01:26 PM   #0 
  - They were regular people.  Uncle Joe   Sep-20-10 01:28 PM   #1 
  - they were regular people  Codeine   Sep-20-10 01:29 PM   #2 
  - The majority were hard-working folks. Like Americans have always been.  proteus_lives   Sep-20-10 01:30 PM   #3 
  - Deadbeats and shiftless people weren't pioneers  Warpy   Sep-20-10 01:30 PM   #4 
  - Also measured in blood.  proteus_lives   Sep-20-10 01:31 PM   #5 
     - So, some of my ancestors were nothing more than  Jamastiene   Sep-20-10 01:44 PM   # 
        - Geez, maybe they were HOSTILE --  Hell Hath No Fury   Sep-20-10 01:52 PM   #25 
        - I can't get over how they were viewed as not even human.  Jamastiene   Sep-20-10 02:04 PM   #29 
           - We have had many movements here ---  Hell Hath No Fury   Sep-20-10 03:47 PM   #44 
              - "lord knows they tried back in the 70s"  immune   Sep-20-10 07:02 PM   #55 
              - We homeless people are still hoping that some of you will decide to take up our cause, too.  bobbolink   Sep-20-10 07:20 PM   #58 
        - That's what they were. Nothing wrong with that.  proteus_lives   Sep-20-10 01:56 PM   #26 
  - Grizzled, hairy faced bunch that liked to drink, and loved to fight.  tjwash   Sep-20-10 01:32 PM   #6 
  - They were regular people --  Hell Hath No Fury   Sep-20-10 01:34 PM   #7 
  - A lot of the "cowboys" the Reaganites derive their mythology from were actually African Americans  Erose999   Sep-20-10 01:36 PM   #8 
  - And a lot of those cowboys were  immune   Sep-20-10 07:38 PM   #60 
  - Some of them had a huge amount of blood on their hands.  leveymg   Sep-20-10 01:37 PM   #9 
  - Yet, upthread, some of my ancestors have been called  Jamastiene   Sep-20-10 01:42 PM   #13 
     - I'm sure the actual terms applied at the time were far less gentile.  leveymg   Sep-20-10 01:48 PM   #22 
     - The thing is that it keeps happening over and over again throughout  Jamastiene   Sep-20-10 02:06 PM   #30 
        - Nothing says that it has to happen. Gandhi and MLK and some others provide an alternative path  leveymg   Sep-20-10 02:16 PM   #35 
           - That is true.  Jamastiene   Sep-20-10 02:22 PM   #37 
              - There are other kinds of pioneer I'd rather be  leveymg   Sep-20-10 02:32 PM   #41 
     - Well heck,  immune   Sep-20-10 07:48 PM   #64 
  - They were people with few real choices  zipplewrath   Sep-20-10 01:39 PM   #10 
  - They were my family.  postulater   Sep-20-10 01:41 PM   #11 
  - Then, we're cousins.  closeupready   Sep-20-10 01:44 PM   #16 
  - Blend of 1-3.  closeupready   Sep-20-10 01:42 PM   #12 
  - a little confusing--pioneers  Spike89   Sep-20-10 01:43 PM   #14 
  - I do think they were courageous, however, they were also racist and rapers of  joeybee12   Sep-20-10 01:44 PM   #15 
  - Really? All of them?  proteus_lives   Sep-20-10 01:58 PM   #28 
  - Any educated and thinking person knows that ANY group of people is a mixture.  bobbolink   Sep-20-10 01:44 PM   #17 
  - A lot of people do not know the real truth behind "scalping."  Jamastiene   Sep-20-10 01:48 PM   #23 
  - It is highly discouraging to me that "progressives" don't know any of this, and it never enters  bobbolink   Sep-20-10 01:57 PM   #27 
  - The white man started that ghastly practice.  AnArmyVeteran   Sep-20-10 05:09 PM   #47 
  - Don't forget that some of the pioneers were Indians  Retrograde   Sep-20-10 02:26 PM   #39 
  - Yep, and some of them intermarried  Dappleganger   Sep-20-10 07:05 PM   #56 
  - Here they are....  izquierdista   Sep-20-10 01:44 PM   #18 
  - pioneers were not the problem -- they were used by profiteers  grasswire   Sep-20-10 01:45 PM   #19 
  - There were so many frauds committed against the good people it is amazing  old mark   Sep-20-10 02:10 PM   #33 
  - They were used by profiteers ....  immune   Sep-20-10 06:31 PM   #50 
  - Thanks for your personal story and the links!  AnArmyVeteran   Sep-21-10 02:14 PM   #71 
     - yes, this is what they said: "we should have kept the mineral rights!"  grasswire   Sep-21-10 05:13 PM   #72 
  - And what about all these treaties the US government made with indigenous people, and later flouted?  closeupready   Sep-20-10 01:45 PM   #20 
  - And are still flouting them...  maryf   Sep-20-10 07:47 PM   #62 
  - Well, they were visionary regular people.  damntexdem   Sep-20-10 01:47 PM   #21 
  - KInd of like immigrants in a way. Leaving behind what was familiar for a chance at a better life.  pampango   Sep-20-10 01:51 PM   #24 
  - I think that all immigrants of all types are courageous in a way  Nikia   Sep-20-10 07:19 PM   #57 
  - Risk takers  alfredo   Sep-20-10 02:08 PM   #31 
  - Other. They were a mish-mash of malcontents, sociopaths, the desperately poor,  Greyhound   Sep-20-10 02:09 PM   #32 
  - They were mostly pawns of wealthy men.  Radical Activist   Sep-20-10 02:10 PM   #34 
  - +1  grasswire   Sep-20-10 02:45 PM   #43 
  - pawn, pioneer, peon. all go back to Latin and mean  dimbear   Sep-20-10 05:29 PM   #49 
  - Convicts, slaves, and other shiftless people who came  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-20-10 02:20 PM   #36 
  - They were pirates who expropriated and exterminated indigenous  blindpig   Sep-20-10 02:24 PM   #38 
  - Bloodsoaked  mitchum   Sep-20-10 02:27 PM   #40 
  - How early are we talking about?  Lucian   Sep-20-10 02:37 PM   #42 
  - Walking from St. Louis Missouri to Oregon is one thing...  hunter   Sep-20-10 04:04 PM   #45 
  - "Heartland" where Native Americans lived...was opened by government so "pioneers" ...  defendandprotect   Sep-20-10 04:08 PM   #46 
  - And to justify murdering native Americans, Christians called them savages.  AnArmyVeteran   Sep-20-10 05:14 PM   #48 
  - 6000 years of  immune   Sep-20-10 06:43 PM   #51 
  - .. and most every vile act of violence committed by "whites" and US government was  defendandprotect   Sep-20-10 08:22 PM   #67 
     - You are absolutely correct. Just the terminology changes.  AnArmyVeteran   Sep-21-10 08:41 AM   #69 
  - I agree with what you said:  immune   Sep-20-10 07:31 PM   #59 
  - Stinky?  Safetykitten   Sep-20-10 06:45 PM   #52 
  - Voted regular people, but think it was more desperate people.  Curmudgeoness   Sep-20-10 06:54 PM   #53 
  - Other.  yella_dawg   Sep-20-10 06:56 PM   #54 
  - Thanks for posting. What an interesting topic.  Bucky   Sep-20-10 07:44 PM   #61 
  - Thanks Bucky, I'm sure you are very limited in what you can teach.  AnArmyVeteran   Sep-21-10 09:21 AM   #70 
  - Many were wealthy and got large land grants, worked by slaves  Duer 157099   Sep-20-10 07:47 PM   #63 
  - None of the above, and how I explain it  The Straight Story   Sep-20-10 07:54 PM   #65 
  - They weren't even regular people. They were overwhelmingly the POOREST people.  Xithras   Sep-20-10 08:21 PM   #66 
  - How a society treats its children speaks volumes about who/what they are.  immune   Sep-20-10 08:39 PM   #68 
  - None of the above.  PufPuf23   Sep-21-10 05:40 PM   #73 

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