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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 05:14 PM
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48. And to justify murdering native Americans, Christians called them savages.
It was easier for all those god-fearing pioneers to label native Americans as 'savages' before slaughtering men, women, children and babies in order to steal their land and destroy their culture. Might does not make right. But right wingers believe it does.
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  -How would you rate the early pioneers who settled this country? AnArmyVeteran  Sep-20-10 01:26 PM   #0 
  - They were regular people.  Uncle Joe   Sep-20-10 01:28 PM   #1 
  - they were regular people  Codeine   Sep-20-10 01:29 PM   #2 
  - The majority were hard-working folks. Like Americans have always been.  proteus_lives   Sep-20-10 01:30 PM   #3 
  - Deadbeats and shiftless people weren't pioneers  Warpy   Sep-20-10 01:30 PM   #4 
  - Also measured in blood.  proteus_lives   Sep-20-10 01:31 PM   #5 
     - So, some of my ancestors were nothing more than  Jamastiene   Sep-20-10 01:44 PM   # 
        - Geez, maybe they were HOSTILE --  Hell Hath No Fury   Sep-20-10 01:52 PM   #25 
        - I can't get over how they were viewed as not even human.  Jamastiene   Sep-20-10 02:04 PM   #29 
           - We have had many movements here ---  Hell Hath No Fury   Sep-20-10 03:47 PM   #44 
              - "lord knows they tried back in the 70s"  immune   Sep-20-10 07:02 PM   #55 
              - We homeless people are still hoping that some of you will decide to take up our cause, too.  bobbolink   Sep-20-10 07:20 PM   #58 
        - That's what they were. Nothing wrong with that.  proteus_lives   Sep-20-10 01:56 PM   #26 
  - Grizzled, hairy faced bunch that liked to drink, and loved to fight.  tjwash   Sep-20-10 01:32 PM   #6 
  - They were regular people --  Hell Hath No Fury   Sep-20-10 01:34 PM   #7 
  - A lot of the "cowboys" the Reaganites derive their mythology from were actually African Americans  Erose999   Sep-20-10 01:36 PM   #8 
  - And a lot of those cowboys were  immune   Sep-20-10 07:38 PM   #60 
  - Some of them had a huge amount of blood on their hands.  leveymg   Sep-20-10 01:37 PM   #9 
  - Yet, upthread, some of my ancestors have been called  Jamastiene   Sep-20-10 01:42 PM   #13 
     - I'm sure the actual terms applied at the time were far less gentile.  leveymg   Sep-20-10 01:48 PM   #22 
     - The thing is that it keeps happening over and over again throughout  Jamastiene   Sep-20-10 02:06 PM   #30 
        - Nothing says that it has to happen. Gandhi and MLK and some others provide an alternative path  leveymg   Sep-20-10 02:16 PM   #35 
           - That is true.  Jamastiene   Sep-20-10 02:22 PM   #37 
              - There are other kinds of pioneer I'd rather be  leveymg   Sep-20-10 02:32 PM   #41 
     - Well heck,  immune   Sep-20-10 07:48 PM   #64 
  - They were people with few real choices  zipplewrath   Sep-20-10 01:39 PM   #10 
  - They were my family.  postulater   Sep-20-10 01:41 PM   #11 
  - Then, we're cousins.  closeupready   Sep-20-10 01:44 PM   #16 
  - Blend of 1-3.  closeupready   Sep-20-10 01:42 PM   #12 
  - a little confusing--pioneers  Spike89   Sep-20-10 01:43 PM   #14 
  - I do think they were courageous, however, they were also racist and rapers of  joeybee12   Sep-20-10 01:44 PM   #15 
  - Really? All of them?  proteus_lives   Sep-20-10 01:58 PM   #28 
  - Any educated and thinking person knows that ANY group of people is a mixture.  bobbolink   Sep-20-10 01:44 PM   #17 
  - A lot of people do not know the real truth behind "scalping."  Jamastiene   Sep-20-10 01:48 PM   #23 
  - It is highly discouraging to me that "progressives" don't know any of this, and it never enters  bobbolink   Sep-20-10 01:57 PM   #27 
  - The white man started that ghastly practice.  AnArmyVeteran   Sep-20-10 05:09 PM   #47 
  - Don't forget that some of the pioneers were Indians  Retrograde   Sep-20-10 02:26 PM   #39 
  - Yep, and some of them intermarried  Dappleganger   Sep-20-10 07:05 PM   #56 
  - Here they are....  izquierdista   Sep-20-10 01:44 PM   #18 
  - pioneers were not the problem -- they were used by profiteers  grasswire   Sep-20-10 01:45 PM   #19 
  - There were so many frauds committed against the good people it is amazing  old mark   Sep-20-10 02:10 PM   #33 
  - They were used by profiteers ....  immune   Sep-20-10 06:31 PM   #50 
  - Thanks for your personal story and the links!  AnArmyVeteran   Sep-21-10 02:14 PM   #71 
     - yes, this is what they said: "we should have kept the mineral rights!"  grasswire   Sep-21-10 05:13 PM   #72 
  - And what about all these treaties the US government made with indigenous people, and later flouted?  closeupready   Sep-20-10 01:45 PM   #20 
  - And are still flouting them...  maryf   Sep-20-10 07:47 PM   #62 
  - Well, they were visionary regular people.  damntexdem   Sep-20-10 01:47 PM   #21 
  - KInd of like immigrants in a way. Leaving behind what was familiar for a chance at a better life.  pampango   Sep-20-10 01:51 PM   #24 
  - I think that all immigrants of all types are courageous in a way  Nikia   Sep-20-10 07:19 PM   #57 
  - Risk takers  alfredo   Sep-20-10 02:08 PM   #31 
  - Other. They were a mish-mash of malcontents, sociopaths, the desperately poor,  Greyhound   Sep-20-10 02:09 PM   #32 
  - They were mostly pawns of wealthy men.  Radical Activist   Sep-20-10 02:10 PM   #34 
  - +1  grasswire   Sep-20-10 02:45 PM   #43 
  - pawn, pioneer, peon. all go back to Latin and mean  dimbear   Sep-20-10 05:29 PM   #49 
  - Convicts, slaves, and other shiftless people who came  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-20-10 02:20 PM   #36 
  - They were pirates who expropriated and exterminated indigenous  blindpig   Sep-20-10 02:24 PM   #38 
  - Bloodsoaked  mitchum   Sep-20-10 02:27 PM   #40 
  - How early are we talking about?  Lucian   Sep-20-10 02:37 PM   #42 
  - Walking from St. Louis Missouri to Oregon is one thing...  hunter   Sep-20-10 04:04 PM   #45 
  - "Heartland" where Native Americans lived...was opened by government so "pioneers" ...  defendandprotect   Sep-20-10 04:08 PM   #46 
  - And to justify murdering native Americans, Christians called them savages.  AnArmyVeteran   Sep-20-10 05:14 PM   #48 
  - 6000 years of  immune   Sep-20-10 06:43 PM   #51 
  - .. and most every vile act of violence committed by "whites" and US government was  defendandprotect   Sep-20-10 08:22 PM   #67 
     - You are absolutely correct. Just the terminology changes.  AnArmyVeteran   Sep-21-10 08:41 AM   #69 
  - I agree with what you said:  immune   Sep-20-10 07:31 PM   #59 
  - Stinky?  Safetykitten   Sep-20-10 06:45 PM   #52 
  - Voted regular people, but think it was more desperate people.  Curmudgeoness   Sep-20-10 06:54 PM   #53 
  - Other.  yella_dawg   Sep-20-10 06:56 PM   #54 
  - Thanks for posting. What an interesting topic.  Bucky   Sep-20-10 07:44 PM   #61 
  - Thanks Bucky, I'm sure you are very limited in what you can teach.  AnArmyVeteran   Sep-21-10 09:21 AM   #70 
  - Many were wealthy and got large land grants, worked by slaves  Duer 157099   Sep-20-10 07:47 PM   #63 
  - None of the above, and how I explain it  The Straight Story   Sep-20-10 07:54 PM   #65 
  - They weren't even regular people. They were overwhelmingly the POOREST people.  Xithras   Sep-20-10 08:21 PM   #66 
  - How a society treats its children speaks volumes about who/what they are.  immune   Sep-20-10 08:39 PM   #68 
  - None of the above.  PufPuf23   Sep-21-10 05:40 PM   #73 
 

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