| 159. Pretty straightforward. |
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Those who do all they can to run down all things Democratic at every turn. Their hatred is obvious, whatever the particular target (though often it seems to be the President). I remember the good old days at DU when Rethugs were the main target for the vitriol of DU.
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| -FireDogLake does not have a "Dump Obama" Facebook page. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 03:07 AM |
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I don't know anything about a facebook page, but I was very disappointed |
napi21 |
Sep-19-10 03:13 AM |
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And who would that be and what was the topic? It is not enough to smear by insinuation... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 03:18 AM |
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I don't kow hename, but she has very short blond hair & I've seen her |
napi21 |
Sep-19-10 03:25 AM |
#4 |
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And what were those responses on a Ratigan that you don't know what it was about |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 03:37 AM |
#7 |
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I looked it up. Her name is Jane Hamsher founder of FDL. |
napi21 |
Sep-19-10 04:34 AM |
#14 |
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Link, please to the recent Ratigan show. By the way, FDL was a supporter of the public option... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 04:46 AM |
#17 |
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I Know |
meowomon |
Sep-19-10 05:16 AM |
#27 |
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Que? FDL, while wanting single payer worked tirelessly for the public option which candidate POTUS |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 05:25 AM |
#31 |
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I guess I wasn't clear. I Agree. |
meowomon |
Sep-19-10 06:00 AM |
#40 |
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Ah! I apoligize. Thank you! |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 06:11 AM |
#45 |
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That was my biggest dissapointment with the President. |
meowomon |
Sep-19-10 07:17 AM |
#65 |
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Yes, I remember her being a huge supporter of the public option. eom |
laughingliberal |
Sep-19-10 09:50 AM |
#112 |
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They haven't been a Dem site for a long time |
DFLforever |
Sep-19-10 03:19 AM |
#3 |
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I've long been involved in actions with Democrats that were against decisions of the Democratic... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 03:30 AM |
#5 |
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I've been an anti-war activist all my life too |
DFLforever |
Sep-19-10 04:14 AM |
#11 |
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They've formed no alliance with Norquist. No more than Wes Clark or any other Dems |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 04:21 AM |
#12 |
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It shows very poor judgment for any self-called leftist |
DFLforever |
Sep-19-10 05:15 AM |
#26 |
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Exactly. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 05:21 AM |
#30 |
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And yet, Wes Clark can work with Norquist to accomplish a shared goal. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 05:33 AM |
#34 |
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Your calm logic is admirable. |
bobbolink |
Sep-19-10 10:55 AM |
#135 |
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Would those illogical minds you reference include |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 11:02 AM |
#137 |
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I know, Norquist? Egads! |
meowomon |
Sep-19-10 07:20 AM |
#67 |
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I guess you've lost respect for Wes Clark, too? |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 07:24 AM |
#70 |
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+1 |
LostinVA |
Sep-19-10 06:22 AM |
#47 |
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Please clarify, do you mean "Dem" as in DemParty or as in DemIdeals |
Better Today |
Sep-19-10 08:59 AM |
#96 |
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bullshit |
Lost4words |
Sep-19-10 09:05 AM |
#98 |
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FDL is a democratic sight, not a Democrat site. n/t |
Exilednight |
Sep-19-10 07:02 AM |
#60 |
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Thank you for making that distinction -- |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Sep-19-10 09:06 AM |
#99 |
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Hadn't heard about the FB page but there was this by a blogger on FDL |
maddezmom |
Sep-19-10 03:36 AM |
#6 |
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there is a Dump Obama page on FB but I see no connection to FDL |
maddezmom |
Sep-19-10 03:44 AM |
#8 |
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I was hoping someone would find that.) A guest blogger who has made, what 6 OPs in 2 years? |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 03:45 AM |
#9 |
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sorry, didn't make that argument, just posting what I found on FDL |
maddezmom |
Sep-19-10 03:58 AM |
#10 |
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maybe this one is the one causing confusion |
maddezmom |
Sep-19-10 05:54 AM |
#38 |
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You mean the one where the "Information" section links back to |
johnaries |
Sep-19-10 03:34 PM |
#155 |
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FDL doesn't need a Dump Obama Facebook page, |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 04:32 AM |
#13 |
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That is not the point. A specific accusation has been made with zero evidence to back it up. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 04:36 AM |
#15 |
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It's the point so far as it goes and it's darned close |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 04:42 AM |
#16 |
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Nope. A specific accusation has been made. "Darned close" is a lie. Many Dems have played... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 04:49 AM |
#18 |
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Sorry. One does or does not align with a power broker |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 04:54 AM |
#20 |
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So, Wes Clark, Dean Baker, James Kenneth Galbraith, Bob Fertik, and David Swanson... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 05:05 AM |
#22 |
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Never said it did, LA, and asserted that it did not need |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 05:07 AM |
#23 |
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Then, I assert that Wes Clark, due to his association with Norquist, started the Dump Obama FB page. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 05:10 AM |
#24 |
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It may just be that you can't process the facts you have. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 05:11 AM |
#25 |
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Indeed. You are throwing spit balls against Hamsher for doing the exact same thing |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 05:29 AM |
#32 |
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I think she's the one with the spitballs in the analogy |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 05:33 AM |
#33 |
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In response to MoveOn's criticims of Patreas, Boxer presented a "Sense of the Senate" amendment... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 05:50 AM |
#37 |
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I'm not surprised you agree with Hamsher, but do note |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 05:54 AM |
#39 |
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Indeed. Criticism equals vandalism. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 06:10 AM |
#43 |
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Whoops. You just called a blue heron a rhinoceros. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 06:15 AM |
#46 |
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I supported Bill Halter... |
druidity33 |
Sep-19-10 11:24 AM |
#141 |
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For me, Halter was a bit better than even we here thought |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 11:27 AM |
#142 |
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Nordquist was asked to participate in the 'catfood commission' |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-19-10 09:10 AM |
#100 |
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Politics does, as a point of fact, center around getting |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 09:20 AM |
#102 |
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Non responsive. I asked you to explain how you rationalize |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-19-10 09:36 AM |
#104 |
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Whoa. Do withdraw the hoops. I won't be jumping |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 09:39 AM |
#106 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-19-10 09:57 AM |
#118 |
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Sorry, I'm not buying the debate on your terms. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 10:00 AM |
#120 |
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The 'terms of exchange' are made by both parties in |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-19-10 10:41 AM |
#132 |
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My standards are not consistent? Well, hells bells. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 10:43 AM |
#133 |
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Always been an active Democrat. Always. |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-19-10 11:10 AM |
#139 |
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I don't, actually. I'm kind of a middle-cousin type who |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 11:15 AM |
#140 |
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Here is the deal, you do not know what I think of Jane. |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-19-10 12:00 PM |
#146 |
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Ok, well, you've made it clear that you fight on |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 12:05 PM |
#147 |
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Talking about standards... |
Spazito |
Sep-19-10 11:30 AM |
#143 |
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+1. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 11:37 AM |
#145 |
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Actually, I am pretty freaked out that "darned close" is equivalent to fact for a DUer... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 04:54 AM |
#19 |
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I don't think Hawaii is all that close to central Africa, |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 04:55 AM |
#21 |
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It's that Kenyan anti-colonial mindset, you know. It is not actually Kenya but darned close. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 05:17 AM |
#28 |
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Gingrich now? Grover Norquist AND Newt Gingrich? |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 05:20 AM |
#29 |
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That would be Dinesh D'Souza. And, his argument, like yours, is that it is darned close. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 05:38 AM |
#35 |
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Your OP made the claim that there is no Facebook |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 05:43 AM |
#36 |
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My OP specifially adresses misinformation. Otherwise known as truthiness... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 06:04 AM |
#41 |
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Do take a moment, LA, and read over our conversation |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 06:09 AM |
#42 |
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Not angry at all... I've not lashed out at you in any way shape or form. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 06:29 AM |
#49 |
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It's been discussed, had you bothered to read it. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 06:32 AM |
#51 |
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Electoral office is not the summum bonum of political engagement. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 06:38 AM |
#52 |
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We disagree. The work is done in the houses and |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 06:39 AM |
#53 |
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Then there should be no point in reminding Hamsher that she does not work in the Oval Office... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 06:44 AM |
#54 |
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You know, though. Her ALLIANCE with Grover Norquist |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 06:46 AM |
#55 |
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Will Wes Clark align himself with Charles Manson? Dean Baker with the Zodiac killer? |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 06:55 AM |
#58 |
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That's up to them. Are you just being your |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 06:57 AM |
#59 |
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Well, poor Wes Clark has a continuing relationship with Norquist. Hamsher does not. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 07:05 AM |
#61 |
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One of Hamsher's "concerns" is that her leftist agenda |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 07:09 AM |
#62 |
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Respect for Beltway politics? Now you've made me chuckle! Thank you.... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 07:18 AM |
#66 |
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You misread Hamsher's own intent, LA. She cannot |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 07:22 AM |
#69 |
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not sure you saw this |
maddezmom |
Sep-19-10 06:10 AM |
#44 |
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I saw it. (And thank you.) Like DKos and DU, members can post original content. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 06:49 AM |
#56 |
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And yet, I don't think too many people would be |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 06:53 AM |
#57 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-19-10 07:13 AM |
#63 |
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If you have a problem with how DU is |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 07:16 AM |
#64 |
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Did I say I have a problem? It is what it is. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 07:21 AM |
#68 |
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Seriously, though, LA, if you need to address a concern |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 07:25 AM |
#71 |
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Since I have never visited that particular website, would you mind |
Occulus |
Sep-19-10 06:26 AM |
#48 |
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It's odd how you spring to the defense of FDL on this |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 06:30 AM |
#50 |
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I've been away from here a few days. Fill me in on the so called controversy. |
mmonk |
Sep-19-10 07:47 AM |
#72 |
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Has Hamsher denied her support of the page... |
SidDithers |
Sep-19-10 08:01 AM |
#73 |
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Good point. Let's see if Hamsher gives tacit approval |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 08:21 AM |
#74 |
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LOL. Has Skinner come out against the smear? |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 08:26 AM |
#75 |
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But it's not Skinner's site. It's Hamsher's. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 08:27 AM |
#76 |
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Not really. The smear was repeated many times on DU |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 08:30 AM |
#78 |
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For one, I don't do Ayn Rand, in almost any context, |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 08:32 AM |
#80 |
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No, not really. That is called a straw man. n/t |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 08:47 AM |
#87 |
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No straw hereabouts. Does Hamsher take work from |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 08:50 AM |
#89 |
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No, the question does not remain. That is a way of repeating a falsehood |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 08:53 AM |
#92 |
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I don't want it any way, as far as that goes, EFerrari. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 08:56 AM |
#94 |
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It's a counter productive smear and you are participating in it. |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 09:47 AM |
#109 |
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You're mistaken on at least two counts. "Actual |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 09:54 AM |
#115 |
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FDL has initiated countless actions and if you look back |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 10:02 AM |
#122 |
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Sorry, they are far, far away on the horizon. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 10:07 AM |
#128 |
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lol! |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Sep-19-10 08:52 AM |
#91 |
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Skinner will lock or delete content that paints DU in a negative light... |
SidDithers |
Sep-19-10 08:29 AM |
#77 |
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Unless he doesn't. |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 08:30 AM |
#79 |
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It's his site, so it's his call. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 08:33 AM |
#81 |
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It is his call, entirely and it is precisely the same call Jane has. n/t |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 08:39 AM |
#83 |
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It's his call if he wants to intervene. It's Jane call |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 08:40 AM |
#84 |
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Right. It's Jane's call if she wants to fly yellow cake to Iran, too. n/t |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 08:46 AM |
#85 |
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It wouldn't surprise me. If she can align with Grover |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 08:46 AM |
#86 |
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Norquist, good when he's called as a witness by the administration |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 08:49 AM |
#88 |
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Jane's many sins would take too long to catalogue, |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 08:52 AM |
#90 |
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You say subversive as if that's a bad thing. |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 08:56 AM |
#93 |
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I do indeed use subversive as if it were a bad thing, |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 08:59 AM |
#95 |
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I see that you're sticking to your straw man. That's fine. |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 09:31 AM |
#103 |
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There is no "leftward push" from FDL. It must be a |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 09:37 AM |
#105 |
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Yes, it is a straw man. The issue was the false claim that it was HER site. |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 09:43 AM |
#107 |
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For me it's long overdue at the "does she know about the |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 09:46 AM |
#108 |
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That is the topic of the thread. n/t |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 09:48 AM |
#110 |
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Not of this thread. This thread's OP began with |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 09:50 AM |
#113 |
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Freedom of association is one of the very first items in the mission statement |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 09:58 AM |
#119 |
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No one argues against provisions for that document |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 10:03 AM |
#123 |
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Posts don't get deleted at DU?... |
SidDithers |
Sep-19-10 08:33 AM |
#82 |
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Is she now or has she ever been a member of the Communist party? n/t |
gkhouston |
Sep-19-10 05:22 PM |
#162 |
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I havent heard or seen anything of the sort @ FDL |
Lost4words |
Sep-19-10 09:04 AM |
#97 |
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If they had an ounce of courage... |
Davis_X_Machina |
Sep-19-10 09:14 AM |
#101 |
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I wish people who don't like Jane and who think her positions are wrong |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 09:49 AM |
#111 |
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I wish people who defend Jane Hamsher on reflex alone |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 09:51 AM |
#114 |
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Another straw man. How do you know why people defend Jane Hamsher? |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 09:55 AM |
#116 |
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You are into a serious straw thing, EFerrari. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 09:57 AM |
#117 |
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Nobody better drop a match in here. |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 10:03 AM |
#124 |
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Again, you are seeing straw that no one else sees or |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 10:06 AM |
#127 |
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How do you know what other people see? |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 01:06 PM |
#148 |
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I defend her based on her positions in policy. And I don't think everyone who disagrees with our |
laughingliberal |
Sep-19-10 10:01 AM |
#121 |
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Agree that she has not only a right to speak her mind |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 10:04 AM |
#125 |
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As long as people keep buying into the truthiness of unrealizable goals, they will remain... |
laughingliberal |
Sep-19-10 10:22 AM |
#130 |
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An argument can be made that Hamsher is losing |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 10:29 AM |
#131 |
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The move to the far right this country has taken was achieved by relentless repetition of their |
laughingliberal |
Sep-19-10 10:50 AM |
#134 |
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Um, I got it with the Norquist thing a lot earlier than |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 10:58 AM |
#136 |
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Statistical void? Like the one where 60%+ of the country wanted a Public Option in the HCR bill? |
laughingliberal |
Sep-19-10 02:42 PM |
#153 |
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And that was the genius of Howard Zinn |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 10:05 AM |
#126 |
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I heard Zinn speak in New York a year or so before his |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 10:10 AM |
#129 |
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which gives me the opportunity |
G_j |
Sep-19-10 11:08 AM |
#138 |
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I wish people would quit lying about Jane Hamsher. |
Hissyspit |
Sep-19-10 02:35 PM |
#150 |
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It's a lot easier to beat up on Jane Hamsher than to argue the issues. |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 02:46 PM |
#154 |
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The only people who care are peole who sit around on computers all day. |
tabasco |
Sep-19-10 11:35 AM |
#144 |
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Maybe they should |
JNelson6563 |
Sep-19-10 01:09 PM |
#149 |
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Define haterz. |
Hissyspit |
Sep-19-10 02:39 PM |
#151 |
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Pretty straightforward. |
JNelson6563 |
Sep-19-10 03:56 PM |
#159 |
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Well, many of us remember the days when the Rethugs were the ones downgrading unions, workers,... |
laughingliberal |
Sep-19-10 04:23 PM |
#160 |
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DU will be disrupted until the admins really do something about casual name calling |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 02:42 PM |
#152 |
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Then let me rephrase |
JNelson6563 |
Sep-19-10 03:48 PM |
#158 |
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I think the problem is calling things once supported only by the right wing, "Democratic," has had |
laughingliberal |
Sep-19-10 04:35 PM |
#161 |
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One of their bloggers, jeffroby, does. |
johnaries |
Sep-19-10 03:38 PM |
#156 |
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Now, imagine the same situation at DU... |
SidDithers |
Sep-19-10 03:47 PM |
#157 |
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Hi all, |
pinto |
Sep-19-10 06:42 PM |
#163 |
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