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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #149
152. DU will be disrupted until the admins really do something about casual name calling
such as you just did.

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  -FireDogLake does not have a "Dump Obama" Facebook page. Luminous Animal  Sep-19-10 03:07 AM   #0 
  - I don't know anything about a facebook page, but I was very disappointed  napi21   Sep-19-10 03:13 AM   #1 
  - And who would that be and what was the topic? It is not enough to smear by insinuation...  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 03:18 AM   #2 
  - I don't kow hename, but she has very short blond hair & I've seen her  napi21   Sep-19-10 03:25 AM   #4 
     - And what were those responses on a Ratigan that you don't know what it was about  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 03:37 AM   #7 
        - I looked it up. Her name is Jane Hamsher founder of FDL.  napi21   Sep-19-10 04:34 AM   #14 
           - Link, please to the recent Ratigan show. By the way, FDL was a supporter of the public option...  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 04:46 AM   #17 
              - I Know  meowomon   Sep-19-10 05:16 AM   #27 
              - Que? FDL, while wanting single payer worked tirelessly for the public option which candidate POTUS  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 05:25 AM   #31 
                 - I guess I wasn't clear. I Agree.  meowomon   Sep-19-10 06:00 AM   #40 
                    - Ah! I apoligize. Thank you!  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 06:11 AM   #45 
                       - That was my biggest dissapointment with the President.  meowomon   Sep-19-10 07:17 AM   #65 
              - Yes, I remember her being a huge supporter of the public option. eom  laughingliberal   Sep-19-10 09:50 AM   #112 
  - They haven't been a Dem site for a long time  DFLforever   Sep-19-10 03:19 AM   #3 
  - I've long been involved in actions with Democrats that were against decisions of the Democratic...  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 03:30 AM   #5 
  - I've been an anti-war activist all my life too  DFLforever   Sep-19-10 04:14 AM   #11 
  - They've formed no alliance with Norquist. No more than Wes Clark or any other Dems  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 04:21 AM   #12 
  - It shows very poor judgment for any self-called leftist  DFLforever   Sep-19-10 05:15 AM   #26 
  - Exactly.  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 05:21 AM   #30 
  - And yet, Wes Clark can work with Norquist to accomplish a shared goal.  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 05:33 AM   #34 
  - Your calm logic is admirable.  bobbolink   Sep-19-10 10:55 AM   #135 
     - Would those illogical minds you reference include  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 11:02 AM   #137 
  - I know, Norquist? Egads!  meowomon   Sep-19-10 07:20 AM   #67 
     - I guess you've lost respect for Wes Clark, too?  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 07:24 AM   #70 
  - +1  LostinVA   Sep-19-10 06:22 AM   #47 
  - Please clarify, do you mean "Dem" as in DemParty or as in DemIdeals  Better Today   Sep-19-10 08:59 AM   #96 
  - bullshit  Lost4words   Sep-19-10 09:05 AM   #98 
  - FDL is a democratic sight, not a Democrat site. n/t  Exilednight   Sep-19-10 07:02 AM   #60 
     - Thank you for making that distinction --  Hell Hath No Fury   Sep-19-10 09:06 AM   #99 
  - Hadn't heard about the FB page but there was this by a blogger on FDL  maddezmom   Sep-19-10 03:36 AM   #6 
  - there is a Dump Obama page on FB but I see no connection to FDL  maddezmom   Sep-19-10 03:44 AM   #8 
  - I was hoping someone would find that.) A guest blogger who has made, what 6 OPs in 2 years?  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 03:45 AM   #9 
     - sorry, didn't make that argument, just posting what I found on FDL  maddezmom   Sep-19-10 03:58 AM   #10 
     - maybe this one is the one causing confusion  maddezmom   Sep-19-10 05:54 AM   #38 
        - You mean the one where the "Information" section links back to  johnaries   Sep-19-10 03:34 PM   #155 
  - FDL doesn't need a Dump Obama Facebook page,  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 04:32 AM   #13 
  - That is not the point. A specific accusation has been made with zero evidence to back it up.  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 04:36 AM   #15 
  - It's the point so far as it goes and it's darned close  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 04:42 AM   #16 
     - Nope. A specific accusation has been made. "Darned close" is a lie. Many Dems have played...  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 04:49 AM   #18 
     - Sorry. One does or does not align with a power broker  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 04:54 AM   #20 
        - So, Wes Clark, Dean Baker, James Kenneth Galbraith, Bob Fertik, and David Swanson...  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 05:05 AM   #22 
        - Never said it did, LA, and asserted that it did not need  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 05:07 AM   #23 
           - Then, I assert that Wes Clark, due to his association with Norquist, started the Dump Obama FB page.  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 05:10 AM   #24 
              - It may just be that you can't process the facts you have.  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 05:11 AM   #25 
                 - Indeed. You are throwing spit balls against Hamsher for doing the exact same thing  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 05:29 AM   #32 
                    - I think she's the one with the spitballs in the analogy  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 05:33 AM   #33 
                       - In response to MoveOn's criticims of Patreas, Boxer presented a "Sense of the Senate" amendment...  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 05:50 AM   #37 
                          - I'm not surprised you agree with Hamsher, but do note  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 05:54 AM   #39 
                             - Indeed. Criticism equals vandalism.  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 06:10 AM   #43 
                             - Whoops. You just called a blue heron a rhinoceros.  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 06:15 AM   #46 
                             - I supported Bill Halter...  druidity33   Sep-19-10 11:24 AM   #141 
                                - For me, Halter was a bit better than even we here thought  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 11:27 AM   #142 
        - Nordquist was asked to participate in the 'catfood commission'  Bluenorthwest   Sep-19-10 09:10 AM   #100 
           - Politics does, as a point of fact, center around getting  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 09:20 AM   #102 
           - Non responsive. I asked you to explain how you rationalize  Bluenorthwest   Sep-19-10 09:36 AM   #104 
              - Whoa. Do withdraw the hoops. I won't be jumping  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 09:39 AM   #106 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-19-10 09:57 AM   #118 
                    - Sorry, I'm not buying the debate on your terms.  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 10:00 AM   #120 
                       - The 'terms of exchange' are made by both parties in  Bluenorthwest   Sep-19-10 10:41 AM   #132 
                          - My standards are not consistent? Well, hells bells.  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 10:43 AM   #133 
                             - Always been an active Democrat. Always.  Bluenorthwest   Sep-19-10 11:10 AM   #139 
                                - I don't, actually. I'm kind of a middle-cousin type who  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 11:15 AM   #140 
                                   - Here is the deal, you do not know what I think of Jane.  Bluenorthwest   Sep-19-10 12:00 PM   #146 
                                      - Ok, well, you've made it clear that you fight on  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 12:05 PM   #147 
           - Talking about standards...  Spazito   Sep-19-10 11:30 AM   #143 
              - +1.  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 11:37 AM   #145 
     - Actually, I am pretty freaked out that "darned close" is equivalent to fact for a DUer...  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 04:54 AM   #19 
        - I don't think Hawaii is all that close to central Africa,  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 04:55 AM   #21 
           - It's that Kenyan anti-colonial mindset, you know. It is not actually Kenya but darned close.  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 05:17 AM   #28 
              - Gingrich now? Grover Norquist AND Newt Gingrich?  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 05:20 AM   #29 
                 - That would be Dinesh D'Souza. And, his argument, like yours, is that it is darned close.  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 05:38 AM   #35 
                    - Your OP made the claim that there is no Facebook  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 05:43 AM   #36 
                       - My OP specifially adresses misinformation. Otherwise known as truthiness...  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 06:04 AM   #41 
                          - Do take a moment, LA, and read over our conversation  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 06:09 AM   #42 
                          - Not angry at all... I've not lashed out at you in any way shape or form.  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 06:29 AM   #49 
                             - It's been discussed, had you bothered to read it.  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 06:32 AM   #51 
                                - Electoral office is not the summum bonum of political engagement.  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 06:38 AM   #52 
                                   - We disagree. The work is done in the houses and  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 06:39 AM   #53 
                                      - Then there should be no point in reminding Hamsher that she does not work in the Oval Office...  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 06:44 AM   #54 
                                         - You know, though. Her ALLIANCE with Grover Norquist  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 06:46 AM   #55 
                                            - Will Wes Clark align himself with Charles Manson? Dean Baker with the Zodiac killer?  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 06:55 AM   #58 
                                               - That's up to them. Are you just being your  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 06:57 AM   #59 
                                               - Well, poor Wes Clark has a continuing relationship with Norquist. Hamsher does not.  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 07:05 AM   #61 
                                               - One of Hamsher's "concerns" is that her leftist agenda  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 07:09 AM   #62 
                                               - Respect for Beltway politics? Now you've made me chuckle! Thank you....  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 07:18 AM   #66 
                                               - You misread Hamsher's own intent, LA. She cannot  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 07:22 AM   #69 
                          - not sure you saw this  maddezmom   Sep-19-10 06:10 AM   #44 
                             - I saw it. (And thank you.) Like DKos and DU, members can post original content.  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 06:49 AM   #56 
                                - And yet, I don't think too many people would be  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 06:53 AM   #57 
                                   - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-19-10 07:13 AM   #63 
                                      - If you have a problem with how DU is  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 07:16 AM   #64 
                                         - Did I say I have a problem? It is what it is.  Luminous Animal   Sep-19-10 07:21 AM   #68 
                                            - Seriously, though, LA, if you need to address a concern  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 07:25 AM   #71 
  - Since I have never visited that particular website, would you mind  Occulus   Sep-19-10 06:26 AM   #48 
     - It's odd how you spring to the defense of FDL on this  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 06:30 AM   #50 
  - I've been away from here a few days. Fill me in on the so called controversy.  mmonk   Sep-19-10 07:47 AM   #72 
  - Has Hamsher denied her support of the page...  SidDithers   Sep-19-10 08:01 AM   #73 
  - Good point. Let's see if Hamsher gives tacit approval  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 08:21 AM   #74 
  - LOL. Has Skinner come out against the smear?  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 08:26 AM   #75 
  - But it's not Skinner's site. It's Hamsher's.  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 08:27 AM   #76 
  - Not really. The smear was repeated many times on DU  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 08:30 AM   #78 
     - For one, I don't do Ayn Rand, in almost any context,  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 08:32 AM   #80 
     - No, not really. That is called a straw man. n/t  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 08:47 AM   #87 
        - No straw hereabouts. Does Hamsher take work from  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 08:50 AM   #89 
           - No, the question does not remain. That is a way of repeating a falsehood  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 08:53 AM   #92 
              - I don't want it any way, as far as that goes, EFerrari.  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 08:56 AM   #94 
                 - It's a counter productive smear and you are participating in it.  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 09:47 AM   #109 
                    - You're mistaken on at least two counts. "Actual  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 09:54 AM   #115 
                       - FDL has initiated countless actions and if you look back  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 10:02 AM   #122 
                          - Sorry, they are far, far away on the horizon.  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 10:07 AM   #128 
     - lol!  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-19-10 08:52 AM   #91 
  - Skinner will lock or delete content that paints DU in a negative light...  SidDithers   Sep-19-10 08:29 AM   #77 
     - Unless he doesn't.  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 08:30 AM   #79 
        - It's his site, so it's his call.  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 08:33 AM   #81 
        - It is his call, entirely and it is precisely the same call Jane has. n/t  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 08:39 AM   #83 
           - It's his call if he wants to intervene. It's Jane call  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 08:40 AM   #84 
              - Right. It's Jane's call if she wants to fly yellow cake to Iran, too. n/t  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 08:46 AM   #85 
                 - It wouldn't surprise me. If she can align with Grover  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 08:46 AM   #86 
                    - Norquist, good when he's called as a witness by the administration  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 08:49 AM   #88 
                       - Jane's many sins would take too long to catalogue,  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 08:52 AM   #90 
                          - You say subversive as if that's a bad thing.  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 08:56 AM   #93 
                             - I do indeed use subversive as if it were a bad thing,  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 08:59 AM   #95 
                                - I see that you're sticking to your straw man. That's fine.  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 09:31 AM   #103 
                                   - There is no "leftward push" from FDL. It must be a  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 09:37 AM   #105 
                                      - Yes, it is a straw man. The issue was the false claim that it was HER site.  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 09:43 AM   #107 
                                         - For me it's long overdue at the "does she know about the  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 09:46 AM   #108 
                                            - That is the topic of the thread. n/t  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 09:48 AM   #110 
                                               - Not of this thread. This thread's OP began with  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 09:50 AM   #113 
                                               - Freedom of association is one of the very first items in the mission statement  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 09:58 AM   #119 
                                               - No one argues against provisions for that document  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 10:03 AM   #123 
        - Posts don't get deleted at DU?...  SidDithers   Sep-19-10 08:33 AM   #82 
  - Is she now or has she ever been a member of the Communist party? n/t  gkhouston   Sep-19-10 05:22 PM   #162 
  - I havent heard or seen anything of the sort @ FDL  Lost4words   Sep-19-10 09:04 AM   #97 
  - If they had an ounce of courage...  Davis_X_Machina   Sep-19-10 09:14 AM   #101 
  - I wish people who don't like Jane and who think her positions are wrong  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 09:49 AM   #111 
  - I wish people who defend Jane Hamsher on reflex alone  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 09:51 AM   #114 
     - Another straw man. How do you know why people defend Jane Hamsher?  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 09:55 AM   #116 
     - You are into a serious straw thing, EFerrari.  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 09:57 AM   #117 
        - Nobody better drop a match in here.  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 10:03 AM   #124 
           - Again, you are seeing straw that no one else sees or  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 10:06 AM   #127 
              - How do you know what other people see?  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 01:06 PM   #148 
     - I defend her based on her positions in policy. And I don't think everyone who disagrees with our  laughingliberal   Sep-19-10 10:01 AM   #121 
     - Agree that she has not only a right to speak her mind  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 10:04 AM   #125 
     - As long as people keep buying into the truthiness of unrealizable goals, they will remain...  laughingliberal   Sep-19-10 10:22 AM   #130 
        - An argument can be made that Hamsher is losing  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 10:29 AM   #131 
           - The move to the far right this country has taken was achieved by relentless repetition of their  laughingliberal   Sep-19-10 10:50 AM   #134 
              - Um, I got it with the Norquist thing a lot earlier than  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 10:58 AM   #136 
                 - Statistical void? Like the one where 60%+ of the country wanted a Public Option in the HCR bill?  laughingliberal   Sep-19-10 02:42 PM   #153 
     - And that was the genius of Howard Zinn  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 10:05 AM   #126 
        - I heard Zinn speak in New York a year or so before his  saltpoint   Sep-19-10 10:10 AM   #129 
        - which gives me the opportunity  G_j   Sep-19-10 11:08 AM   #138 
     - I wish people would quit lying about Jane Hamsher.  Hissyspit   Sep-19-10 02:35 PM   #150 
        - It's a lot easier to beat up on Jane Hamsher than to argue the issues.  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 02:46 PM   #154 
  - The only people who care are peole who sit around on computers all day.  tabasco   Sep-19-10 11:35 AM   #144 
  - Maybe they should  JNelson6563   Sep-19-10 01:09 PM   #149 
  - Define haterz.  Hissyspit   Sep-19-10 02:39 PM   #151 
  - Pretty straightforward.  JNelson6563   Sep-19-10 03:56 PM   #159 
     - Well, many of us remember the days when the Rethugs were the ones downgrading unions, workers,...  laughingliberal   Sep-19-10 04:23 PM   #160 
  - DU will be disrupted until the admins really do something about casual name calling  EFerrari   Sep-19-10 02:42 PM   #152 
     - Then let me rephrase  JNelson6563   Sep-19-10 03:48 PM   #158 
        - I think the problem is calling things once supported only by the right wing, "Democratic," has had  laughingliberal   Sep-19-10 04:35 PM   #161 
  - One of their bloggers, jeffroby, does.  johnaries   Sep-19-10 03:38 PM   #156 
  - Now, imagine the same situation at DU...  SidDithers   Sep-19-10 03:47 PM   #157 
  - Hi all,  pinto   Sep-19-10 06:42 PM   #163 

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