| 124. Nobody better drop a match in here. |
| -FireDogLake does not have a "Dump Obama" Facebook page. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 03:07 AM |
#0 |
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I don't know anything about a facebook page, but I was very disappointed |
napi21 |
Sep-19-10 03:13 AM |
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And who would that be and what was the topic? It is not enough to smear by insinuation... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 03:18 AM |
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I don't kow hename, but she has very short blond hair & I've seen her |
napi21 |
Sep-19-10 03:25 AM |
#4 |
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And what were those responses on a Ratigan that you don't know what it was about |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 03:37 AM |
#7 |
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I looked it up. Her name is Jane Hamsher founder of FDL. |
napi21 |
Sep-19-10 04:34 AM |
#14 |
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Link, please to the recent Ratigan show. By the way, FDL was a supporter of the public option... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 04:46 AM |
#17 |
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I Know |
meowomon |
Sep-19-10 05:16 AM |
#27 |
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Que? FDL, while wanting single payer worked tirelessly for the public option which candidate POTUS |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 05:25 AM |
#31 |
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I guess I wasn't clear. I Agree. |
meowomon |
Sep-19-10 06:00 AM |
#40 |
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Ah! I apoligize. Thank you! |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 06:11 AM |
#45 |
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That was my biggest dissapointment with the President. |
meowomon |
Sep-19-10 07:17 AM |
#65 |
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Yes, I remember her being a huge supporter of the public option. eom |
laughingliberal |
Sep-19-10 09:50 AM |
#112 |
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They haven't been a Dem site for a long time |
DFLforever |
Sep-19-10 03:19 AM |
#3 |
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I've long been involved in actions with Democrats that were against decisions of the Democratic... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 03:30 AM |
#5 |
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I've been an anti-war activist all my life too |
DFLforever |
Sep-19-10 04:14 AM |
#11 |
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They've formed no alliance with Norquist. No more than Wes Clark or any other Dems |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 04:21 AM |
#12 |
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It shows very poor judgment for any self-called leftist |
DFLforever |
Sep-19-10 05:15 AM |
#26 |
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Exactly. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 05:21 AM |
#30 |
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And yet, Wes Clark can work with Norquist to accomplish a shared goal. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 05:33 AM |
#34 |
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Your calm logic is admirable. |
bobbolink |
Sep-19-10 10:55 AM |
#135 |
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Would those illogical minds you reference include |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 11:02 AM |
#137 |
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I know, Norquist? Egads! |
meowomon |
Sep-19-10 07:20 AM |
#67 |
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I guess you've lost respect for Wes Clark, too? |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 07:24 AM |
#70 |
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+1 |
LostinVA |
Sep-19-10 06:22 AM |
#47 |
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Please clarify, do you mean "Dem" as in DemParty or as in DemIdeals |
Better Today |
Sep-19-10 08:59 AM |
#96 |
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bullshit |
Lost4words |
Sep-19-10 09:05 AM |
#98 |
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FDL is a democratic sight, not a Democrat site. n/t |
Exilednight |
Sep-19-10 07:02 AM |
#60 |
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Thank you for making that distinction -- |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Sep-19-10 09:06 AM |
#99 |
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Hadn't heard about the FB page but there was this by a blogger on FDL |
maddezmom |
Sep-19-10 03:36 AM |
#6 |
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there is a Dump Obama page on FB but I see no connection to FDL |
maddezmom |
Sep-19-10 03:44 AM |
#8 |
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I was hoping someone would find that.) A guest blogger who has made, what 6 OPs in 2 years? |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 03:45 AM |
#9 |
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sorry, didn't make that argument, just posting what I found on FDL |
maddezmom |
Sep-19-10 03:58 AM |
#10 |
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maybe this one is the one causing confusion |
maddezmom |
Sep-19-10 05:54 AM |
#38 |
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You mean the one where the "Information" section links back to |
johnaries |
Sep-19-10 03:34 PM |
#155 |
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FDL doesn't need a Dump Obama Facebook page, |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 04:32 AM |
#13 |
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That is not the point. A specific accusation has been made with zero evidence to back it up. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 04:36 AM |
#15 |
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It's the point so far as it goes and it's darned close |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 04:42 AM |
#16 |
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Nope. A specific accusation has been made. "Darned close" is a lie. Many Dems have played... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 04:49 AM |
#18 |
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Sorry. One does or does not align with a power broker |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 04:54 AM |
#20 |
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So, Wes Clark, Dean Baker, James Kenneth Galbraith, Bob Fertik, and David Swanson... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 05:05 AM |
#22 |
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Never said it did, LA, and asserted that it did not need |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 05:07 AM |
#23 |
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Then, I assert that Wes Clark, due to his association with Norquist, started the Dump Obama FB page. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 05:10 AM |
#24 |
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It may just be that you can't process the facts you have. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 05:11 AM |
#25 |
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Indeed. You are throwing spit balls against Hamsher for doing the exact same thing |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 05:29 AM |
#32 |
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I think she's the one with the spitballs in the analogy |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 05:33 AM |
#33 |
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In response to MoveOn's criticims of Patreas, Boxer presented a "Sense of the Senate" amendment... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 05:50 AM |
#37 |
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I'm not surprised you agree with Hamsher, but do note |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 05:54 AM |
#39 |
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Indeed. Criticism equals vandalism. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 06:10 AM |
#43 |
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Whoops. You just called a blue heron a rhinoceros. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 06:15 AM |
#46 |
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I supported Bill Halter... |
druidity33 |
Sep-19-10 11:24 AM |
#141 |
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For me, Halter was a bit better than even we here thought |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 11:27 AM |
#142 |
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Nordquist was asked to participate in the 'catfood commission' |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-19-10 09:10 AM |
#100 |
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Politics does, as a point of fact, center around getting |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 09:20 AM |
#102 |
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Non responsive. I asked you to explain how you rationalize |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-19-10 09:36 AM |
#104 |
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Whoa. Do withdraw the hoops. I won't be jumping |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 09:39 AM |
#106 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-19-10 09:57 AM |
#118 |
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Sorry, I'm not buying the debate on your terms. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 10:00 AM |
#120 |
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The 'terms of exchange' are made by both parties in |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-19-10 10:41 AM |
#132 |
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My standards are not consistent? Well, hells bells. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 10:43 AM |
#133 |
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Always been an active Democrat. Always. |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-19-10 11:10 AM |
#139 |
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I don't, actually. I'm kind of a middle-cousin type who |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 11:15 AM |
#140 |
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Here is the deal, you do not know what I think of Jane. |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-19-10 12:00 PM |
#146 |
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Ok, well, you've made it clear that you fight on |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 12:05 PM |
#147 |
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Talking about standards... |
Spazito |
Sep-19-10 11:30 AM |
#143 |
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+1. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 11:37 AM |
#145 |
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Actually, I am pretty freaked out that "darned close" is equivalent to fact for a DUer... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 04:54 AM |
#19 |
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I don't think Hawaii is all that close to central Africa, |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 04:55 AM |
#21 |
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It's that Kenyan anti-colonial mindset, you know. It is not actually Kenya but darned close. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 05:17 AM |
#28 |
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Gingrich now? Grover Norquist AND Newt Gingrich? |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 05:20 AM |
#29 |
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That would be Dinesh D'Souza. And, his argument, like yours, is that it is darned close. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 05:38 AM |
#35 |
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Your OP made the claim that there is no Facebook |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 05:43 AM |
#36 |
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My OP specifially adresses misinformation. Otherwise known as truthiness... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 06:04 AM |
#41 |
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Do take a moment, LA, and read over our conversation |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 06:09 AM |
#42 |
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Not angry at all... I've not lashed out at you in any way shape or form. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 06:29 AM |
#49 |
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It's been discussed, had you bothered to read it. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 06:32 AM |
#51 |
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Electoral office is not the summum bonum of political engagement. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 06:38 AM |
#52 |
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We disagree. The work is done in the houses and |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 06:39 AM |
#53 |
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Then there should be no point in reminding Hamsher that she does not work in the Oval Office... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 06:44 AM |
#54 |
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You know, though. Her ALLIANCE with Grover Norquist |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 06:46 AM |
#55 |
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Will Wes Clark align himself with Charles Manson? Dean Baker with the Zodiac killer? |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 06:55 AM |
#58 |
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That's up to them. Are you just being your |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 06:57 AM |
#59 |
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Well, poor Wes Clark has a continuing relationship with Norquist. Hamsher does not. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 07:05 AM |
#61 |
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One of Hamsher's "concerns" is that her leftist agenda |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 07:09 AM |
#62 |
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Respect for Beltway politics? Now you've made me chuckle! Thank you.... |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 07:18 AM |
#66 |
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You misread Hamsher's own intent, LA. She cannot |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 07:22 AM |
#69 |
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not sure you saw this |
maddezmom |
Sep-19-10 06:10 AM |
#44 |
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I saw it. (And thank you.) Like DKos and DU, members can post original content. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 06:49 AM |
#56 |
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And yet, I don't think too many people would be |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 06:53 AM |
#57 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-19-10 07:13 AM |
#63 |
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If you have a problem with how DU is |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 07:16 AM |
#64 |
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Did I say I have a problem? It is what it is. |
Luminous Animal |
Sep-19-10 07:21 AM |
#68 |
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Seriously, though, LA, if you need to address a concern |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 07:25 AM |
#71 |
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Since I have never visited that particular website, would you mind |
Occulus |
Sep-19-10 06:26 AM |
#48 |
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It's odd how you spring to the defense of FDL on this |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 06:30 AM |
#50 |
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I've been away from here a few days. Fill me in on the so called controversy. |
mmonk |
Sep-19-10 07:47 AM |
#72 |
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Has Hamsher denied her support of the page... |
SidDithers |
Sep-19-10 08:01 AM |
#73 |
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Good point. Let's see if Hamsher gives tacit approval |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 08:21 AM |
#74 |
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LOL. Has Skinner come out against the smear? |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 08:26 AM |
#75 |
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But it's not Skinner's site. It's Hamsher's. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 08:27 AM |
#76 |
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Not really. The smear was repeated many times on DU |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 08:30 AM |
#78 |
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For one, I don't do Ayn Rand, in almost any context, |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 08:32 AM |
#80 |
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No, not really. That is called a straw man. n/t |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 08:47 AM |
#87 |
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No straw hereabouts. Does Hamsher take work from |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 08:50 AM |
#89 |
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No, the question does not remain. That is a way of repeating a falsehood |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 08:53 AM |
#92 |
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I don't want it any way, as far as that goes, EFerrari. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 08:56 AM |
#94 |
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It's a counter productive smear and you are participating in it. |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 09:47 AM |
#109 |
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You're mistaken on at least two counts. "Actual |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 09:54 AM |
#115 |
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FDL has initiated countless actions and if you look back |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 10:02 AM |
#122 |
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Sorry, they are far, far away on the horizon. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 10:07 AM |
#128 |
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lol! |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Sep-19-10 08:52 AM |
#91 |
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Skinner will lock or delete content that paints DU in a negative light... |
SidDithers |
Sep-19-10 08:29 AM |
#77 |
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Unless he doesn't. |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 08:30 AM |
#79 |
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It's his site, so it's his call. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 08:33 AM |
#81 |
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It is his call, entirely and it is precisely the same call Jane has. n/t |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 08:39 AM |
#83 |
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It's his call if he wants to intervene. It's Jane call |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 08:40 AM |
#84 |
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Right. It's Jane's call if she wants to fly yellow cake to Iran, too. n/t |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 08:46 AM |
#85 |
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It wouldn't surprise me. If she can align with Grover |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 08:46 AM |
#86 |
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Norquist, good when he's called as a witness by the administration |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 08:49 AM |
#88 |
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Jane's many sins would take too long to catalogue, |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 08:52 AM |
#90 |
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You say subversive as if that's a bad thing. |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 08:56 AM |
#93 |
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I do indeed use subversive as if it were a bad thing, |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 08:59 AM |
#95 |
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I see that you're sticking to your straw man. That's fine. |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 09:31 AM |
#103 |
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There is no "leftward push" from FDL. It must be a |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 09:37 AM |
#105 |
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Yes, it is a straw man. The issue was the false claim that it was HER site. |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 09:43 AM |
#107 |
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For me it's long overdue at the "does she know about the |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 09:46 AM |
#108 |
| -
That is the topic of the thread. n/t |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 09:48 AM |
#110 |
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Not of this thread. This thread's OP began with |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 09:50 AM |
#113 |
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Freedom of association is one of the very first items in the mission statement |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 09:58 AM |
#119 |
| -
No one argues against provisions for that document |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 10:03 AM |
#123 |
| -
Posts don't get deleted at DU?... |
SidDithers |
Sep-19-10 08:33 AM |
#82 |
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Is she now or has she ever been a member of the Communist party? n/t |
gkhouston |
Sep-19-10 05:22 PM |
#162 |
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I havent heard or seen anything of the sort @ FDL |
Lost4words |
Sep-19-10 09:04 AM |
#97 |
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If they had an ounce of courage... |
Davis_X_Machina |
Sep-19-10 09:14 AM |
#101 |
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I wish people who don't like Jane and who think her positions are wrong |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 09:49 AM |
#111 |
| -
I wish people who defend Jane Hamsher on reflex alone |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 09:51 AM |
#114 |
| -
Another straw man. How do you know why people defend Jane Hamsher? |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 09:55 AM |
#116 |
| -
You are into a serious straw thing, EFerrari. |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 09:57 AM |
#117 |
| -
Nobody better drop a match in here. |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 10:03 AM |
#124 |
| -
Again, you are seeing straw that no one else sees or |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 10:06 AM |
#127 |
| -
How do you know what other people see? |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 01:06 PM |
#148 |
| -
I defend her based on her positions in policy. And I don't think everyone who disagrees with our |
laughingliberal |
Sep-19-10 10:01 AM |
#121 |
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Agree that she has not only a right to speak her mind |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 10:04 AM |
#125 |
| -
As long as people keep buying into the truthiness of unrealizable goals, they will remain... |
laughingliberal |
Sep-19-10 10:22 AM |
#130 |
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An argument can be made that Hamsher is losing |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 10:29 AM |
#131 |
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The move to the far right this country has taken was achieved by relentless repetition of their |
laughingliberal |
Sep-19-10 10:50 AM |
#134 |
| -
Um, I got it with the Norquist thing a lot earlier than |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 10:58 AM |
#136 |
| -
Statistical void? Like the one where 60%+ of the country wanted a Public Option in the HCR bill? |
laughingliberal |
Sep-19-10 02:42 PM |
#153 |
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And that was the genius of Howard Zinn |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 10:05 AM |
#126 |
| -
I heard Zinn speak in New York a year or so before his |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 10:10 AM |
#129 |
| -
which gives me the opportunity |
G_j |
Sep-19-10 11:08 AM |
#138 |
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I wish people would quit lying about Jane Hamsher. |
Hissyspit |
Sep-19-10 02:35 PM |
#150 |
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It's a lot easier to beat up on Jane Hamsher than to argue the issues. |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 02:46 PM |
#154 |
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The only people who care are peole who sit around on computers all day. |
tabasco |
Sep-19-10 11:35 AM |
#144 |
| -
Maybe they should |
JNelson6563 |
Sep-19-10 01:09 PM |
#149 |
| -
Define haterz. |
Hissyspit |
Sep-19-10 02:39 PM |
#151 |
| -
Pretty straightforward. |
JNelson6563 |
Sep-19-10 03:56 PM |
#159 |
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Well, many of us remember the days when the Rethugs were the ones downgrading unions, workers,... |
laughingliberal |
Sep-19-10 04:23 PM |
#160 |
| -
DU will be disrupted until the admins really do something about casual name calling |
EFerrari |
Sep-19-10 02:42 PM |
#152 |
| -
Then let me rephrase |
JNelson6563 |
Sep-19-10 03:48 PM |
#158 |
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I think the problem is calling things once supported only by the right wing, "Democratic," has had |
laughingliberal |
Sep-19-10 04:35 PM |
#161 |
| -
One of their bloggers, jeffroby, does. |
johnaries |
Sep-19-10 03:38 PM |
#156 |
| -
Now, imagine the same situation at DU... |
SidDithers |
Sep-19-10 03:47 PM |
#157 |
| -
Hi all, |
pinto |
Sep-19-10 06:42 PM |
#163 |
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