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Sat Sep-18-10 11:24 PM
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| 71. You are now claiming that Obama didn't try to get a public option?? |
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Obama to Endorse Public Plan in Speech http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125240777810092069.html... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/15/obama-takes-up... Obama Takes Up Public Health Care Option In AMA Speech http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/20 ... OBAMA: PUBLIC OPTION NOT DEAD.... ""I absolutely do not believe that it's dead," Obama told Univision's "Al Punto" of the public option's fate. "I think that it's something that we can still include as part of a comprehensive reform effort."" http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/20... "In the last week, however, senior administration officials have been holding private meetings almost daily at the Capitol with senior Democratic staff to discuss ways to include a version of the public plan in the healthcare bill that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) plans to bring to the Senate floor this month, according to senior Democratic congressional aides." http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/26/reid-... / "Senator Reid Announces ‘Opt-Out’ Public Plan" are a few of a tens or hundreds of examples. |
| -It is amazing how every "criticism" of HCR seems to rely on incorrect information. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 07:29 PM |
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How about "it does nothing to reduce health care costs" |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-18-10 07:34 PM |
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Cost controls |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 07:38 PM |
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That article confirms the middle class tax hike |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-18-10 09:03 PM |
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Yeah, the tax hike for those who have a health plan that costs more than 27,500/year. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 09:08 PM |
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A plan that costs $27,000 per year |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Sep-18-10 09:19 PM |
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the 27 is for a family |
dsc |
Sep-18-10 11:03 PM |
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Mine is family coverage.... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Sep-19-10 08:09 AM |
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and my point is that many singles, I know we don't matter, but many singles |
dsc |
Sep-19-10 09:40 AM |
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Insurers certainly compete on price now |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-18-10 09:34 PM |
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I'm talking about the individual market, not the employer market. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 10:03 PM |
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In fact, rising medical costs are in insurer's best interests |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-18-10 10:31 PM |
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You are now claiming that Obama didn't try to get a public option?? |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 11:24 PM |
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He'd already bargained it away |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-19-10 11:36 AM |
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Post one single solid cost control device within this bill ....... |
Exilednight |
Sep-18-10 10:45 PM |
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People don't care how much it costs, they only care about how much they have |
harun |
Sep-18-10 11:07 PM |
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Thanks for that. I'm sorry that you will be attacked for it shortly. |
MineralMan |
Sep-18-10 07:34 PM |
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I accept that something is better than nothing in this case . . . |
MrModerate |
Sep-18-10 07:41 PM |
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This wasn't a golden opportunity for single payer. It wouldn't have gotten 10 votes in the Senate. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 07:44 PM |
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And the passengers on the Titanic were enjoying the cruise up to the point . . . |
MrModerate |
Sep-18-10 07:49 PM |
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The new exchanges are meant to deal with employers dropping insuranace coverage |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 07:52 PM |
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I'm afraid you're right. I don't like it very much, however . . . |
MrModerate |
Sep-18-10 08:50 PM |
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The question is not whether you like it compared to single payer. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 09:01 PM |
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His ads called it "extreme." |
GreenArrow |
Sep-18-10 08:44 PM |
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Just because you think something is sensible, reasonable, humane, pragmatic, fundamentally civilized |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 09:03 PM |
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Just because other people don't think |
GreenArrow |
Sep-18-10 09:36 PM |
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Under Obama's bill, someone with pre-existing conditions will have to pay $xxxx/month! |
Safetykitten |
Sep-18-10 07:50 PM |
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So your argument is that we shouldn't have passed a bill at all? If it can't start |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 07:53 PM |
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XXXX's a month! |
Safetykitten |
Sep-18-10 07:51 PM |
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What you call amazing I call perfectly predictable. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Sep-18-10 07:52 PM |
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As predictable as your bullying. eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Sep-18-10 08:50 PM |
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Pot/Kettle |
MajorChode |
Sep-19-10 10:00 AM |
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Bullying? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Sep-19-10 11:32 AM |
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The funniest part is |
Safetykitten |
Sep-18-10 07:56 PM |
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What will be more funny is watching you eat your words when they turn out to be false. n/t |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 07:58 PM |
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Amazing, cheerleading this clusterfuck as others told you about |
Safetykitten |
Sep-18-10 08:03 PM |
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Your post is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. It illustrates my point perfectly. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 08:08 PM |
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+ 999999 Most criticism from the left of Obama is just as flawed as what you illustrated |
stevenleser |
Sep-19-10 10:49 PM |
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Criticism of the insurance bill is criticism of Obama? |
dflprincess |
Sep-20-10 11:59 AM |
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that's the way it works for some DUers |
Skittles |
Sep-18-10 09:01 PM |
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+1 nt |
SammyWinstonJack |
Sep-19-10 08:41 AM |
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I like you. |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Sep-19-10 09:41 AM |
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The ultimate solution is to make Hospitals non-profit |
MadMaddie |
Sep-18-10 08:04 PM |
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The majority are already non-profit |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Sep-18-10 09:26 PM |
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I am sorry it is not incorrect information |
Bitwit1234 |
Sep-18-10 08:11 PM |
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Kindly point out where the act makes one earning minimum wage eligible for free Medicaid. |
rug |
Sep-18-10 08:12 PM |
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Sure. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 08:17 PM |
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That doesn't work in 13 states that have a higher minimum wage than the federal. |
rug |
Sep-18-10 08:34 PM |
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Even people in some of those states would qualify for Medicaid. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 08:57 PM |
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Which is why it's inaccurate to equate the minimum wage with medicare. |
rug |
Sep-18-10 09:05 PM |
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The more accurate statement is your repitition that this is NOT a national health care law |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 09:12 PM |
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And your critical mistake is believing and disseminating the false notion that merely purchasing |
rug |
Sep-18-10 09:22 PM |
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"Along with its premiums, copayments, and noncovered services and facilities" |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 09:53 PM |
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You are misinterpreting what real change is, 2014 notwithstanding. |
rug |
Sep-18-10 11:01 PM |
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I think someone is in our conversation, but it isn't me. n/t |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 11:07 PM |
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That's accurate. |
rug |
Sep-18-10 11:15 PM |
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And the "subsidy" is a tax credit |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-19-10 10:19 PM |
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In most cases, income is not the deciding factor... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Sep-18-10 09:35 PM |
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That will not be true in 2014. Income will be THE ONLY factor. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 09:54 PM |
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Most of us make over 133% of the poverty level. |
dflprincess |
Sep-18-10 10:22 PM |
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I was responding to a post that claimed even people making under 133% won't get Medicaid. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 11:25 PM |
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Check what you wrote. You said anyone making OVER 133% of the poverty level would get Medicaid |
dflprincess |
Sep-19-10 12:19 AM |
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Exactly |
LostinVA |
Sep-19-10 06:47 AM |
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As the subsequent replies to your thread indicate |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Sep-19-10 08:11 AM |
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Yes, I meant up to, not over. Over was a typo and would make no sense |
BzaDem |
Sep-19-10 09:53 AM |
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Make slightly more than that, 150% FPL or $17250 a year you are not eligible for Medicaid |
Hello_Kitty |
Sep-18-10 08:50 PM |
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Yeah -- like make it available to everybody! Like just about every other developed country. n/t |
MrModerate |
Sep-18-10 08:53 PM |
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$57/month that gets them health insurance. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 09:01 PM |
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$57 that is really easy to find when you're making that little money. |
Hello_Kitty |
Sep-18-10 09:18 PM |
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You really have to look at who are the providers in these plans... |
slipslidingaway |
Sep-18-10 11:55 PM |
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$57 that will be impossible for most people at that income level to find |
LostinVA |
Sep-19-10 06:49 AM |
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So how would they pay for the tax increase that would come with single payer? |
stevenleser |
Sep-19-10 10:53 PM |
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With the money they would have used paying premiums to private companies |
dflprincess |
Sep-20-10 12:00 PM |
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You mean the health care bill that became a law in March? |
subterranean |
Sep-18-10 09:01 PM |
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My pet peeve is why anyone calls the Health Insurance Company Profit Protection Act |
dflprincess |
Sep-18-10 10:27 PM |
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"only a requirement that we continue to pay for the same products we've had all along." |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 11:27 PM |
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People under 400% of the poverty level already get free health care |
LostinVA |
Sep-19-10 06:50 AM |
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Under 400% of the poverty level is under 88k per year for a family of 4. |
BzaDem |
Sep-19-10 09:56 AM |
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My pet peeve... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Sep-19-10 12:00 PM |
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People who have insurance policies with large deductibles and |
dflprincess |
Sep-19-10 09:20 PM |
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How about this criticism: my pre-tax flexible spending card is being capped at $2500 instead of $6K |
aikoaiko |
Sep-18-10 09:18 PM |
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Except... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Sep-18-10 09:49 PM |
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I do have insurance and I still need the benefit of the $6000 tax free FSA |
aikoaiko |
Sep-18-10 10:10 PM |
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If you have chronic illnesses, your premiums will be lower now, because of the ban on considering |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 10:12 PM |
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I don't see anything that will require my premiums to go down. |
aikoaiko |
Sep-18-10 10:17 PM |
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I don't know the details of your current plan. If you are on a plan that rates based on risk, they |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 10:24 PM |
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I'm not in plan based on risk and yes I'm in a large organization pool. |
aikoaiko |
Sep-18-10 10:46 PM |
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Amazingly it was ultra-liberals like Raul Grijalva who wanted to kill savings accounts entirely. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 11:01 PM |
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I think I get one more year of $6K on the FSA. |
aikoaiko |
Sep-18-10 11:04 PM |
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Because Health Savings Accounts are a lousy deal for anyone who isn't affluent |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-19-10 10:22 PM |
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Age will set premiums. |
amandabeech |
Sep-19-10 08:46 AM |
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Yes, another REALITY check that conflicts with DNC press releases |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-19-10 10:24 PM |
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What I am wondering is, what about all the positive benefits. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 09:59 PM |
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There are no benefits to me and my family that I know of in our current situations |
aikoaiko |
Sep-18-10 10:14 PM |
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Yes, that will hurt us as well. n/t |
slipslidingaway |
Sep-18-10 10:57 PM |
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Heck, quite a bit of HCR *praise* does, too. |
Orsino |
Sep-18-10 09:35 PM |
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+1 nt |
laughingliberal |
Sep-18-10 11:26 PM |
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Of course you're 100% right on, and people who don't want to hear the truth are unreccing |
HughMoran |
Sep-18-10 10:48 PM |
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Explain how other countries provide HC to all for 50% less and why ... |
slipslidingaway |
Sep-18-10 11:01 PM |
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Your post is not an argument for how the current bill is worse than the status quo. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 11:14 PM |
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If you say that you want to provide HC for all then you have to remove... |
slipslidingaway |
Sep-18-10 11:41 PM |
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And those who supported the Public Option should have heeded this warning sign. |
girl gone mad |
Sep-19-10 11:26 PM |
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Since you are so concerned about accuracy |
dsc |
Sep-18-10 11:19 PM |
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"That isn't what people have said." |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 11:31 PM |
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I have no problem with a mandate |
dsc |
Sep-18-10 11:44 PM |
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Your sole function under health insurance reform... |
Fumesucker |
Sep-18-10 11:50 PM |
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This is exactly what it is for |
LostinVA |
Sep-19-10 06:53 AM |
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80% of Democrats approve of the bill. Guess according to you, they all wish to be fooled. |
BzaDem |
Sep-19-10 10:05 AM |
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That's because they don't understand the bill |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-19-10 10:32 PM |
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+1 nt |
SammyWinstonJack |
Sep-19-10 08:46 AM |
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Ding ding ding! |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Sep-19-10 09:46 AM |
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I think you are misinterpreting what a public option would have done. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 11:56 PM |
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Thanks for helping untangle the myths around HCR and the public option! nt |
flamingdem |
Sep-19-10 10:21 PM |
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Before HCR we had the most expensive healthcare in the world ... |
spin |
Sep-18-10 11:40 PM |
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Given that the insurance companies profit is set as a percentage of their cash flow.. |
Fumesucker |
Sep-18-10 11:46 PM |
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That sounds like a good reason for heathcare expense ... |
spin |
Sep-19-10 06:40 AM |
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The "better than nothing argument" gets old |
BlueCheese |
Sep-19-10 12:25 AM |
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Now you see how Bush the idiot ended up with a 90% approval rating |
NNN0LHI |
Sep-19-10 06:51 AM |
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Calling out the OP like that is agaisnt DU rules |
LostinVA |
Sep-19-10 06:55 AM |
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Appears I hit a soft spot with you |
NNN0LHI |
Sep-19-10 08:12 AM |
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I heart you! |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Sep-19-10 09:47 AM |
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Says the person who can't refute anything in the OP and is consumed by your own narrative |
BzaDem |
Sep-19-10 09:59 AM |
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I for one was a proud ten percenter.. |
Fumesucker |
Sep-19-10 11:43 AM |
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Perhaps you can clear some of that bullshit up |
USArmyParatrooper |
Sep-19-10 09:30 PM |
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I already have on this thread.. |
Fumesucker |
Sep-19-10 10:27 PM |
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What's amazing is that disparaging subject lines making patently false statements are allowed to |
Greyhound |
Sep-20-10 12:17 PM |
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Where in the Constitution are the Feds given the power to mandate that Citizens purchase anything? |
court jester |
Sep-20-10 12:17 PM |
#125 |
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