BzaDem
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Sat Sep-18-10 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #38 |
| 45. "Along with its premiums, copayments, and noncovered services and facilities" |
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which are all limited and partly subsidized by the government. (And in the case of noncovered services, the government now decides what is in a health plan.)
You are misapplying how insurance use to be to how it will be after 2014.
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| -It is amazing how every "criticism" of HCR seems to rely on incorrect information. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 07:29 PM |
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How about "it does nothing to reduce health care costs" |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-18-10 07:34 PM |
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Cost controls |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 07:38 PM |
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That article confirms the middle class tax hike |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-18-10 09:03 PM |
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Yeah, the tax hike for those who have a health plan that costs more than 27,500/year. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 09:08 PM |
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A plan that costs $27,000 per year |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Sep-18-10 09:19 PM |
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the 27 is for a family |
dsc |
Sep-18-10 11:03 PM |
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Mine is family coverage.... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Sep-19-10 08:09 AM |
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and my point is that many singles, I know we don't matter, but many singles |
dsc |
Sep-19-10 09:40 AM |
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Insurers certainly compete on price now |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-18-10 09:34 PM |
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I'm talking about the individual market, not the employer market. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 10:03 PM |
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In fact, rising medical costs are in insurer's best interests |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-18-10 10:31 PM |
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You are now claiming that Obama didn't try to get a public option?? |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 11:24 PM |
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He'd already bargained it away |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-19-10 11:36 AM |
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Post one single solid cost control device within this bill ....... |
Exilednight |
Sep-18-10 10:45 PM |
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People don't care how much it costs, they only care about how much they have |
harun |
Sep-18-10 11:07 PM |
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Thanks for that. I'm sorry that you will be attacked for it shortly. |
MineralMan |
Sep-18-10 07:34 PM |
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I accept that something is better than nothing in this case . . . |
MrModerate |
Sep-18-10 07:41 PM |
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This wasn't a golden opportunity for single payer. It wouldn't have gotten 10 votes in the Senate. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 07:44 PM |
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And the passengers on the Titanic were enjoying the cruise up to the point . . . |
MrModerate |
Sep-18-10 07:49 PM |
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The new exchanges are meant to deal with employers dropping insuranace coverage |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 07:52 PM |
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I'm afraid you're right. I don't like it very much, however . . . |
MrModerate |
Sep-18-10 08:50 PM |
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The question is not whether you like it compared to single payer. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 09:01 PM |
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His ads called it "extreme." |
GreenArrow |
Sep-18-10 08:44 PM |
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Just because you think something is sensible, reasonable, humane, pragmatic, fundamentally civilized |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 09:03 PM |
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Just because other people don't think |
GreenArrow |
Sep-18-10 09:36 PM |
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Under Obama's bill, someone with pre-existing conditions will have to pay $xxxx/month! |
Safetykitten |
Sep-18-10 07:50 PM |
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So your argument is that we shouldn't have passed a bill at all? If it can't start |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 07:53 PM |
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XXXX's a month! |
Safetykitten |
Sep-18-10 07:51 PM |
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What you call amazing I call perfectly predictable. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Sep-18-10 07:52 PM |
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As predictable as your bullying. eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Sep-18-10 08:50 PM |
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Pot/Kettle |
MajorChode |
Sep-19-10 10:00 AM |
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Bullying? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Sep-19-10 11:32 AM |
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The funniest part is |
Safetykitten |
Sep-18-10 07:56 PM |
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What will be more funny is watching you eat your words when they turn out to be false. n/t |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 07:58 PM |
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Amazing, cheerleading this clusterfuck as others told you about |
Safetykitten |
Sep-18-10 08:03 PM |
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Your post is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. It illustrates my point perfectly. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 08:08 PM |
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+ 999999 Most criticism from the left of Obama is just as flawed as what you illustrated |
stevenleser |
Sep-19-10 10:49 PM |
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Criticism of the insurance bill is criticism of Obama? |
dflprincess |
Sep-20-10 11:59 AM |
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that's the way it works for some DUers |
Skittles |
Sep-18-10 09:01 PM |
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+1 nt |
SammyWinstonJack |
Sep-19-10 08:41 AM |
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I like you. |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Sep-19-10 09:41 AM |
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The ultimate solution is to make Hospitals non-profit |
MadMaddie |
Sep-18-10 08:04 PM |
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The majority are already non-profit |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Sep-18-10 09:26 PM |
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I am sorry it is not incorrect information |
Bitwit1234 |
Sep-18-10 08:11 PM |
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Kindly point out where the act makes one earning minimum wage eligible for free Medicaid. |
rug |
Sep-18-10 08:12 PM |
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Sure. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 08:17 PM |
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That doesn't work in 13 states that have a higher minimum wage than the federal. |
rug |
Sep-18-10 08:34 PM |
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Even people in some of those states would qualify for Medicaid. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 08:57 PM |
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Which is why it's inaccurate to equate the minimum wage with medicare. |
rug |
Sep-18-10 09:05 PM |
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The more accurate statement is your repitition that this is NOT a national health care law |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 09:12 PM |
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And your critical mistake is believing and disseminating the false notion that merely purchasing |
rug |
Sep-18-10 09:22 PM |
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"Along with its premiums, copayments, and noncovered services and facilities" |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 09:53 PM |
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You are misinterpreting what real change is, 2014 notwithstanding. |
rug |
Sep-18-10 11:01 PM |
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I think someone is in our conversation, but it isn't me. n/t |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 11:07 PM |
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That's accurate. |
rug |
Sep-18-10 11:15 PM |
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And the "subsidy" is a tax credit |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-19-10 10:19 PM |
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In most cases, income is not the deciding factor... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Sep-18-10 09:35 PM |
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That will not be true in 2014. Income will be THE ONLY factor. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 09:54 PM |
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Most of us make over 133% of the poverty level. |
dflprincess |
Sep-18-10 10:22 PM |
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I was responding to a post that claimed even people making under 133% won't get Medicaid. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 11:25 PM |
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Check what you wrote. You said anyone making OVER 133% of the poverty level would get Medicaid |
dflprincess |
Sep-19-10 12:19 AM |
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Exactly |
LostinVA |
Sep-19-10 06:47 AM |
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As the subsequent replies to your thread indicate |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Sep-19-10 08:11 AM |
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Yes, I meant up to, not over. Over was a typo and would make no sense |
BzaDem |
Sep-19-10 09:53 AM |
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Make slightly more than that, 150% FPL or $17250 a year you are not eligible for Medicaid |
Hello_Kitty |
Sep-18-10 08:50 PM |
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Yeah -- like make it available to everybody! Like just about every other developed country. n/t |
MrModerate |
Sep-18-10 08:53 PM |
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$57/month that gets them health insurance. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 09:01 PM |
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$57 that is really easy to find when you're making that little money. |
Hello_Kitty |
Sep-18-10 09:18 PM |
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You really have to look at who are the providers in these plans... |
slipslidingaway |
Sep-18-10 11:55 PM |
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$57 that will be impossible for most people at that income level to find |
LostinVA |
Sep-19-10 06:49 AM |
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So how would they pay for the tax increase that would come with single payer? |
stevenleser |
Sep-19-10 10:53 PM |
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With the money they would have used paying premiums to private companies |
dflprincess |
Sep-20-10 12:00 PM |
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You mean the health care bill that became a law in March? |
subterranean |
Sep-18-10 09:01 PM |
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My pet peeve is why anyone calls the Health Insurance Company Profit Protection Act |
dflprincess |
Sep-18-10 10:27 PM |
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"only a requirement that we continue to pay for the same products we've had all along." |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 11:27 PM |
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People under 400% of the poverty level already get free health care |
LostinVA |
Sep-19-10 06:50 AM |
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Under 400% of the poverty level is under 88k per year for a family of 4. |
BzaDem |
Sep-19-10 09:56 AM |
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My pet peeve... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Sep-19-10 12:00 PM |
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People who have insurance policies with large deductibles and |
dflprincess |
Sep-19-10 09:20 PM |
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How about this criticism: my pre-tax flexible spending card is being capped at $2500 instead of $6K |
aikoaiko |
Sep-18-10 09:18 PM |
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Except... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Sep-18-10 09:49 PM |
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I do have insurance and I still need the benefit of the $6000 tax free FSA |
aikoaiko |
Sep-18-10 10:10 PM |
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If you have chronic illnesses, your premiums will be lower now, because of the ban on considering |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 10:12 PM |
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I don't see anything that will require my premiums to go down. |
aikoaiko |
Sep-18-10 10:17 PM |
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I don't know the details of your current plan. If you are on a plan that rates based on risk, they |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 10:24 PM |
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I'm not in plan based on risk and yes I'm in a large organization pool. |
aikoaiko |
Sep-18-10 10:46 PM |
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Amazingly it was ultra-liberals like Raul Grijalva who wanted to kill savings accounts entirely. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 11:01 PM |
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I think I get one more year of $6K on the FSA. |
aikoaiko |
Sep-18-10 11:04 PM |
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Because Health Savings Accounts are a lousy deal for anyone who isn't affluent |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-19-10 10:22 PM |
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Age will set premiums. |
amandabeech |
Sep-19-10 08:46 AM |
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Yes, another REALITY check that conflicts with DNC press releases |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-19-10 10:24 PM |
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What I am wondering is, what about all the positive benefits. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 09:59 PM |
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There are no benefits to me and my family that I know of in our current situations |
aikoaiko |
Sep-18-10 10:14 PM |
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Yes, that will hurt us as well. n/t |
slipslidingaway |
Sep-18-10 10:57 PM |
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Heck, quite a bit of HCR *praise* does, too. |
Orsino |
Sep-18-10 09:35 PM |
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+1 nt |
laughingliberal |
Sep-18-10 11:26 PM |
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Of course you're 100% right on, and people who don't want to hear the truth are unreccing |
HughMoran |
Sep-18-10 10:48 PM |
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Explain how other countries provide HC to all for 50% less and why ... |
slipslidingaway |
Sep-18-10 11:01 PM |
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Your post is not an argument for how the current bill is worse than the status quo. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 11:14 PM |
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If you say that you want to provide HC for all then you have to remove... |
slipslidingaway |
Sep-18-10 11:41 PM |
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And those who supported the Public Option should have heeded this warning sign. |
girl gone mad |
Sep-19-10 11:26 PM |
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Since you are so concerned about accuracy |
dsc |
Sep-18-10 11:19 PM |
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"That isn't what people have said." |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 11:31 PM |
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I have no problem with a mandate |
dsc |
Sep-18-10 11:44 PM |
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Your sole function under health insurance reform... |
Fumesucker |
Sep-18-10 11:50 PM |
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This is exactly what it is for |
LostinVA |
Sep-19-10 06:53 AM |
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80% of Democrats approve of the bill. Guess according to you, they all wish to be fooled. |
BzaDem |
Sep-19-10 10:05 AM |
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That's because they don't understand the bill |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-19-10 10:32 PM |
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+1 nt |
SammyWinstonJack |
Sep-19-10 08:46 AM |
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Ding ding ding! |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Sep-19-10 09:46 AM |
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I think you are misinterpreting what a public option would have done. |
BzaDem |
Sep-18-10 11:56 PM |
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Thanks for helping untangle the myths around HCR and the public option! nt |
flamingdem |
Sep-19-10 10:21 PM |
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Before HCR we had the most expensive healthcare in the world ... |
spin |
Sep-18-10 11:40 PM |
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Given that the insurance companies profit is set as a percentage of their cash flow.. |
Fumesucker |
Sep-18-10 11:46 PM |
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That sounds like a good reason for heathcare expense ... |
spin |
Sep-19-10 06:40 AM |
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The "better than nothing argument" gets old |
BlueCheese |
Sep-19-10 12:25 AM |
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Now you see how Bush the idiot ended up with a 90% approval rating |
NNN0LHI |
Sep-19-10 06:51 AM |
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Calling out the OP like that is agaisnt DU rules |
LostinVA |
Sep-19-10 06:55 AM |
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Appears I hit a soft spot with you |
NNN0LHI |
Sep-19-10 08:12 AM |
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I heart you! |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Sep-19-10 09:47 AM |
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Says the person who can't refute anything in the OP and is consumed by your own narrative |
BzaDem |
Sep-19-10 09:59 AM |
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I for one was a proud ten percenter.. |
Fumesucker |
Sep-19-10 11:43 AM |
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Perhaps you can clear some of that bullshit up |
USArmyParatrooper |
Sep-19-10 09:30 PM |
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I already have on this thread.. |
Fumesucker |
Sep-19-10 10:27 PM |
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What's amazing is that disparaging subject lines making patently false statements are allowed to |
Greyhound |
Sep-20-10 12:17 PM |
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Where in the Constitution are the Feds given the power to mandate that Citizens purchase anything? |
court jester |
Sep-20-10 12:17 PM |
#125 |
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