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Sun Sep-19-10 10:27 AM
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| 121. What's new? The pope is lying about something. Par for the course. |
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Doesn't one of the Ten Suggestions say something like "Thou shalt not bear false witness"?
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| -Richard Dawkins Furious At Pope For Tying Godless To Nazis |
Kolesar |
Sep-18-10 10:42 AM |
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Which of them was a Hitler youth member? |
BolivarianHero |
Sep-18-10 10:46 AM |
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that's gotta sting.... |
mike_c |
Sep-18-10 10:50 AM |
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You are right - so he would be in a better position to know than someone who wasn't there (nt) |
The Straight Story |
Sep-18-10 11:35 AM |
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Better position to know what? Why Christians were in the Hitler youth? |
urgk |
Sep-19-10 07:48 AM |
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K&R! //nt |
Overseas |
Sep-18-10 10:48 AM |
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. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-18-10 10:50 AM |
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Exactly. n/t |
iris27 |
Sep-18-10 03:57 PM |
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Beat me to it. Thanks! |
20score |
Sep-19-10 03:29 AM |
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Nice! n/t |
krkaufman |
Sep-19-10 04:39 AM |
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if i am not mistaken they did all of that in the name of religion. |
ejpoeta |
Sep-18-10 10:50 AM |
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K/R |
progressoid |
Sep-18-10 10:52 AM |
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Lying, Fucking, pedophile protecting, |
edhopper |
Sep-18-10 10:52 AM |
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I'm not an atheist but I agree with Dawkins on this. |
Uncle Joe |
Sep-18-10 10:55 AM |
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Does Dawkins sweep exterminated Polish Roman Catholics under the rug? nt |
phasma ex machina |
Sep-18-10 10:56 AM |
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The Church's official policy towards the Nazis was of appeasement. |
baldguy |
Sep-18-10 11:03 AM |
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I think there is some truth in that, but it also speaks of the power of |
Joe Chi Minh |
Sep-18-10 05:38 PM |
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"It is atheists and agnostics who believe they are uniformly good." |
MattBaggins |
Sep-18-10 06:35 PM |
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I think what Joe might mean (sorry Joe if I'm wrong) is that the mantra |
jhrobbins |
Sep-19-10 01:51 AM |
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That mantra is more of a defense against Believers calling us evil. |
jobycom |
Sep-19-10 06:19 AM |
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Gee, Joe, it must be nice to read the minds of millions of us non-believers. |
Arugula Latte |
Sep-18-10 07:03 PM |
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Another ode to logical dissonance. |
liberation |
Sep-19-10 05:04 AM |
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And where is your evidence |
skepticscott |
Sep-19-10 06:29 AM |
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The irony... |
kenfrequed |
Sep-19-10 08:56 AM |
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What's your point? |
edhopper |
Sep-18-10 11:06 AM |
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Not at all |
lolly |
Sep-18-10 12:36 PM |
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how so? |
fishwax |
Sep-18-10 06:50 PM |
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No but the Church sure didn't do much to help stop the Nazis, did it? |
Arugula Latte |
Sep-18-10 07:02 PM |
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They were killed because they were Polish, not because they were Catholic |
Ken Burch |
Sep-19-10 01:44 AM |
#71 |
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Do you mean the Katyn Forest massacre? |
intaglio |
Sep-19-10 05:46 AM |
#82 |
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Does Dawkins sweep exterminated Polish Roman Catholics under the rug? |
AlbertCat |
Sep-19-10 10:03 AM |
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You could sweep plenty by turning your strawman into a broom. |
JBoy |
Sep-19-10 10:34 AM |
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If the church had stood up to the Nazis, perhaps the would not have exterminated anyone... |
BrklynLiberal |
Sep-19-10 10:54 AM |
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Oh oh... The guy who was a member of the hitler youth is accusing others of being Nazis. |
Initech |
Sep-18-10 11:01 AM |
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Membership in the Hitler Youth was mandatory when Ratzinger was a member |
struggle4progress |
Sep-18-10 11:11 AM |
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Then the pope should be even more ashamed of that statement. |
Zoeisright |
Sep-18-10 07:05 PM |
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And who better than a "devout" Catholic |
skepticscott |
Sep-19-10 06:34 AM |
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Membership in the Hitler Youth was mandatory when Ratzinger was a member |
AlbertCat |
Sep-19-10 10:10 AM |
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How exactly does a 14 year old fight the Nazi movment by himself? |
davepc |
Sep-19-10 10:50 AM |
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I think it is very easy to sneer at people in a time and place |
struggle4progress |
Sep-19-10 01:16 PM |
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It seems like you are fine with the pope sneering at people who don't share his mythology. |
Arugula Latte |
Sep-19-10 02:22 PM |
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Amazing, the way this guy lies and makes shit up...MUST be a Repuke! |
Rex |
Sep-18-10 11:06 AM |
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JPII |
edhopper |
Sep-18-10 11:08 AM |
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I did not know that, thank you for the information. |
Rex |
Sep-18-10 03:12 PM |
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I despise the free pass that JPII got |
Arugula Latte |
Sep-18-10 07:06 PM |
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JPII was the churches Ronald Reagan |
edhopper |
Sep-18-10 07:21 PM |
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Happy to K&R... |
SidDithers |
Sep-18-10 11:06 AM |
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I expect to be unfriended by some of my homies on Facebook for putting this up on my home page |
Kolesar |
Sep-18-10 11:26 AM |
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And this comes from the Hitler Youth... |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-18-10 11:28 AM |
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Lol pope ratzi the nazi |
DireStrike |
Sep-18-10 11:39 AM |
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Godwin's Law needs a corollary along the lines of Nazism being the world's oldest troll |
phasma ex machina |
Sep-18-10 12:09 PM |
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This has been the standard line of thought for a while |
lolly |
Sep-18-10 12:41 PM |
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If there ever was the most secular and non-religious group of people in the |
Fool Count |
Sep-18-10 07:29 PM |
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Oh, I wouldn't disagree |
lolly |
Sep-18-10 11:25 PM |
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I think Dawkins shouldn't have been as restrained. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Sep-18-10 12:44 PM |
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Dawkins, born in Kenya in 1941, had no experience of and has no real memory of the Nazi period |
struggle4progress |
Sep-18-10 01:26 PM |
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That is the most piss ant excuse for |
edhopper |
Sep-18-10 01:35 PM |
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Do forgive me if I missed any actual mention of Dawkins by the Pope. Perhaps you could give a link? |
struggle4progress |
Sep-18-10 02:46 PM |
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Wha? ah? which? |
edhopper |
Sep-18-10 04:39 PM |
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Are you playing? |
Confusious |
Sep-18-10 05:57 PM |
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Perverting an existing religion is not anti religious |
whosinpower |
Sep-18-10 06:15 PM |
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By 1945, they were producing Nazi bibles |
AlbertCat |
Sep-19-10 10:19 AM |
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You don't read very well, do you? |
struggle4progress |
Sep-19-10 01:18 PM |
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And there were also many Christians who sheltered Jews and built and |
Joe Chi Minh |
Sep-18-10 05:50 PM |
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So? There were plenty of atheist who helped Jews who were being prosecuted by the CHRISTIAN majority |
liberation |
Sep-19-10 06:34 AM |
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Yeah, true. |
kenfrequed |
Sep-19-10 09:24 AM |
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I think stating that there were "many" really overstates the |
COLGATE4 |
Sep-19-10 07:43 AM |
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I guess these photos are exampless of godless nazism |
hobbit709 |
Sep-18-10 01:43 PM |
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I'm not really sure why you think a few snapshots can substitute for |
struggle4progress |
Sep-18-10 08:08 PM |
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Being serious about controlling Germany |
lolly |
Sep-18-10 11:31 PM |
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No different than the ones using god today in the same way. |
hobbit709 |
Sep-19-10 06:00 AM |
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The Nazis were quite serious about controlling Germany completely, |
AlbertCat |
Sep-19-10 10:24 AM |
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Take your last sentnce. |
Nevernose |
Sep-18-10 01:52 PM |
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To hell with that apologist vomit you just puked out |
mitchum |
Sep-18-10 02:00 PM |
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+ 1 |
COLGATE4 |
Sep-19-10 07:44 AM |
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WHERE'S HIS BIRTH CETIFICATE???? |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Sep-18-10 02:01 PM |
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Gott Mit Uns is German for God Is With Us.. |
Fumesucker |
Sep-18-10 02:05 PM |
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Der Popenfuhrer, on the other hand, knows all sorts of thigns about Nazis. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Sep-18-10 04:44 PM |
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Benny the Rat is flat out lying |
eridani |
Sep-18-10 07:14 PM |
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Your post is one of the strangest things I've ever read on DU. |
Chef Eric |
Sep-19-10 05:52 AM |
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You find it strange because it does not reflect your own prejudices. |
struggle4progress |
Sep-19-10 02:05 PM |
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Congratulations, you've managed to top yourself. |
Chef Eric |
Sep-19-10 03:36 PM |
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Yeah, nice red herring... |
liberation |
Sep-19-10 06:44 AM |
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Minus one....nt |
Enthusiast |
Sep-19-10 07:12 AM |
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Some of your posts make me want to puke. |
trotsky |
Sep-19-10 04:10 PM |
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Dawkins calls out Nazi Douchebag |
mitchum |
Sep-18-10 01:59 PM |
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Being baptised a Catholic no more makes you a Catholic, than baptism makes you a Christian. |
Joe Chi Minh |
Sep-18-10 05:16 PM |
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This pope is trying to group Nazism in with Stalinist atheism and it does not work |
Kolesar |
Sep-18-10 05:29 PM |
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Of course, it does. Do you think either regime was Christian? If you think that |
Joe Chi Minh |
Sep-18-10 05:34 PM |
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Gott Mit Uns is German for God Is With Us.. |
Fumesucker |
Sep-18-10 06:48 PM |
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Yes the Third Reich was at least a defacto Chistian Regime |
MattBaggins |
Sep-18-10 06:59 PM |
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No, the idea was to move Germany to a modern form of |
COLGATE4 |
Sep-19-10 10:15 AM |
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Ironic that Lorca was executed for being among other things: intellectual, atheist, and homosexual |
liberation |
Sep-19-10 07:05 AM |
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Funny, they didn't sound atheist. |
urgk |
Sep-19-10 07:55 AM |
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Do you think either regime was Christian? |
AlbertCat |
Sep-19-10 10:42 AM |
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Exactly right. |
Zoeisright |
Sep-18-10 07:06 PM |
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delete-wrong place |
Kolesar |
Sep-18-10 07:13 PM |
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Wow, what a stupid post. Organized religion was CREATED for tyranny. |
Zoeisright |
Sep-18-10 07:08 PM |
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Kings promote religion because the concept of divine right protects them |
Kolesar |
Sep-18-10 07:14 PM |
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that is an overly broad statement about atheists. nt |
tomp |
Sep-19-10 08:00 AM |
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When did Hitler ever formally espouse atheism? |
eridani |
Sep-18-10 07:22 PM |
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When has Christianity prevented tyranny? |
lolly |
Sep-18-10 11:39 PM |
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Utter nonsense!! |
blackspade |
Sep-19-10 02:13 AM |
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Hitler was no atheist. He believed in deity. |
howard112211 |
Sep-19-10 04:49 AM |
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You should be ashamed to knowingly spout such baloney |
skepticscott |
Sep-19-10 06:47 AM |
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True, baptism means nothing, |
intaglio |
Sep-19-10 07:04 AM |
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Plus one! nt |
Enthusiast |
Sep-19-10 07:18 AM |
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plus two! nt |
tomp |
Sep-19-10 08:04 AM |
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Plus Three!!! |
COLGATE4 |
Sep-19-10 10:16 AM |
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He was a double-dyed atheist |
AlbertCat |
Sep-19-10 10:31 AM |
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ever-growing tyranny of secular goverments. |
AlbertCat |
Sep-19-10 10:40 AM |
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Hitler sounds like every other rightwing fundie using religion to spout hate! |
Generic Other |
Sep-18-10 06:06 PM |
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Jesus wept. |
Canuckistanian |
Sep-18-10 06:46 PM |
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I thought the upper echelon of Nazis were enamored of Norse myth. |
WinkyDink |
Sep-18-10 07:15 PM |
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Most of the Myth they were ever so enamoured of, esp. the whole Aryan nonsense... |
liberation |
Sep-19-10 07:19 AM |
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Dawkins is brilliant |
malaise |
Sep-18-10 07:32 PM |
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But the Pope doesn't seem to remember HE was a Nazi. |
TexasObserver |
Sep-18-10 09:35 PM |
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Indeed, the pope is correct. |
JoeyT |
Sep-18-10 10:12 PM |
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Yeah, but Richard Dawkins helped all those pedophiles escape prosecution, didn't he? |
Warren DeMontague |
Sep-18-10 11:32 PM |
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And that's why I've thought all along |
cartach |
Sep-19-10 03:13 AM |
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How about tying the Catholic Church to the systematic abuse of children? |
6000eliot |
Sep-19-10 04:14 AM |
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It would ve very instructive, IMO, to schedule a debate |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 04:48 AM |
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Hang the pope! |
southmost |
Sep-19-10 05:29 AM |
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I am really glad the pope made this statement. |
lostnfound |
Sep-19-10 06:32 AM |
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American currency said "In God We Trust", a century after we murdered the Plains Indians |
Kolesar |
Sep-19-10 07:32 AM |
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Richard Dawkins is right. |
Enthusiast |
Sep-19-10 07:06 AM |
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the pope is an odious cretin |
RainDog |
Sep-19-10 07:57 AM |
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First, Hitler co-opted the thought process of Christian nation. |
mmonk |
Sep-19-10 08:14 AM |
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K |
fadedrose |
Sep-19-10 08:41 AM |
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not keen on the Pope ..but even less keen on Dawkins..a no-fun bore |
Swagman |
Sep-19-10 08:42 AM |
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If you actually read Dawkins |
edhopper |
Sep-19-10 09:09 AM |
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Where was this God while over 65,000,000 people died in WWII? |
RedCloud |
Sep-19-10 09:01 AM |
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I've only seen Dawkins on a few cable programs and |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 10:21 AM |
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but he certainly strikes me as a keen mind. |
AlbertCat |
Sep-19-10 10:54 AM |
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Hi, AlbertCat. I'll maybe give one of those a try... |
saltpoint |
Sep-19-10 10:59 AM |
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Adolf Hitler was born and raised Roman Catholic, Ratzo....and the Catholic Church aided |
old mark |
Sep-19-10 10:26 AM |
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I am incandescent with rage |
TACFIRE |
Sep-19-10 10:26 AM |
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What's new? The pope is lying about something. Par for the course. |
bertman |
Sep-19-10 10:27 AM |
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Atheist are the Whipping Boys/Girls of the world! |
SkyDaddy7 |
Sep-19-10 10:37 AM |
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I'm one of those "god-less heathens" and I could care less what the man in the pointy hat |
Javaman |
Sep-19-10 10:40 AM |
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What an scourge upon mankind this so-called leader is. |
OwnedByFerrets |
Sep-19-10 10:48 AM |
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Dawkins is 100% right and I applaud him for speaking out on this. |
BrklynLiberal |
Sep-19-10 10:49 AM |
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It is a massive misconception that Hitler/Nazis were atheist.. |
and-justice-for-all |
Sep-19-10 11:01 AM |
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Funny. Hitler was raised as a Catholic and |
obxhead |
Sep-19-10 11:23 AM |
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Name removed |
Sep-19-10 03:57 PM |
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And this is remotely relevant |
skepticscott |
Sep-19-10 04:14 PM |
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So you're anti-atheist AND anti-gay. |
trotsky |
Sep-19-10 04:36 PM |
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