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32. The economy itself..
... is enough to worry about. We effectively have 18% un-underemployment right now, how long can that last? There is nothing on the horizon that seems likely to change anything.

The big banks are still insolvent (even though they report a "profit"), the stock market is a joke propped up by the bit IBs and hedge funds trading with each other, there is nothing underway to leverage our manufacturing capability, about the only thing that COULD lift us out of this depression.

Obama has had almost 2 years to understand the gravity of the situation and act, but so far he has not. Anyone who is surprised that the voters are going to go nuclear has not been paying attention.
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  -If You Are Not Afraid, You Are Not Paying Attention McCamy Taylor  Sep-15-10 11:03 PM   #0 
  - Believe me, some of us have considered this possibility.  TheWraith   Sep-15-10 11:09 PM   #1 
  - Right there with you, TheWraith...  EXneoCON   Sep-16-10 08:24 AM   #42 
  - +10000  Dappleganger   Sep-16-10 11:16 AM   #52 
  - Actually crossed my mind right after her RNC speech  66 dmhlt   Sep-16-10 12:01 PM   #61 
  - That is a bit scary...  Dappleganger   Sep-16-10 12:20 PM   #66 
  - Looks like a signal -- we used to see this often with W --  defendandprotect   Sep-16-10 12:37 PM   #68 
  - Wow-that is some evil Hitler-esque photo you've got there! Palin is scary indeed!  earth mom   Sep-16-10 03:01 PM   #96 
  - Image saved for future employment/deployment.  Ghost Dog   Sep-16-10 05:52 PM   #110 
  - NOW it's been Photoshopped....  EXneoCON   Sep-17-10 07:33 AM   #133 
     - Well done ...  66 dmhlt   Sep-18-10 12:01 PM   #142 
  - ON THE BRIGHT SIDE.... DOESN'T SOMEONE COME IN AND REBUILD US AFTER THE DESTRUCTION? IRONMAN?  happygoluckytoyou   Sep-16-10 12:41 PM   #70 
  - Yes, if the bastards are that bad, you have to question why anyone would favor...  SteveM   Sep-16-10 01:50 PM   #83 
  - Don't worry. They will. nt  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-16-10 02:29 PM   #89 
     - Yep. Who are those complaining about bullies? The bullied.  SteveM   Sep-16-10 03:30 PM   #98 
  - +1  closeupready   Sep-16-10 02:59 PM   #95 
  - Not just a possibility, but a probability  Papa Boule   Sep-16-10 04:42 PM   #103 
     - You are so right! The corporate control of the media is the single greatest threat to democracy  Raksha   Sep-16-10 05:06 PM   #105 
     - And we haven't even seen corporations tap their vast wealth to control narratives in elections yet  Papa Boule   Sep-16-10 09:42 PM   #123 
     - That is a very, very strong and extremely significant point,  Ghost Dog   Sep-16-10 05:58 PM   #111 
        - By all means, do, and thanks.  Papa Boule   Sep-16-10 09:43 PM   #124 
  - You see Nazis, and propose stopping them with sharply-written letters?  REP   Sep-15-10 11:13 PM   #2 
  - +1  pscot   Sep-15-10 11:34 PM   #4 
  - good point, sharply-colored gifs are far more effective!  unblock   Sep-15-10 11:36 PM   #6 
  - Website postings would have taken out entire Panzer divisions  REP   Sep-16-10 12:18 AM   #7 
     - blogkrieg!  unblock   Sep-16-10 05:35 AM   #27 
  - No. But if people on the left wake up and speak up and VOTE  pnwmom   Sep-16-10 12:57 AM   #10 
  - So adorable.  REP   Sep-16-10 01:00 AM   #11 
  - I agree. Voting is adorable. Unlike apathy and despair which are anti-democratic.  McCamy Taylor   Sep-16-10 01:48 AM   #14 
  - You make very valid points.....  bobburgster   Sep-16-10 03:12 PM   #97 
  - Not as adorable as your avatar.  Bongo Prophet   Sep-16-10 06:46 AM   #34 
  - They own the air waves and poison minds.  cyclezealot   Sep-16-10 03:47 AM   #21 
  - It has happened  molly77   Sep-16-10 11:14 AM   #51 
  - We;lcome to DU... As far as  truedelphi   Sep-16-10 01:43 PM   #82 
  - vote for what?  frylock   Sep-16-10 02:00 PM   #84 
     - The UN to UnNazi the world forever?  REP   Sep-16-10 05:11 PM   #106 
  - Peaceful protest work, too. But violent protest helps the corporate fascists  McCamy Taylor   Sep-16-10 01:45 AM   #13 
  - THAT is the Goddam truth.  Jackpine Radical   Sep-16-10 09:57 AM   #50 
  - He sees Nazis, at the stage they were in about 1925, and proposes stopping them with letters.  nemo137   Sep-16-10 02:04 AM   #17 
  - So how would you have stopped the Nazis in 1925?  Flying Squirrel   Sep-16-10 05:17 AM   #24 
     - Flying Squirrel  Diclotican   Sep-16-10 05:25 AM   #26 
     - Ok, but hindsight is 20/20. We don't know what the future will bring -  Flying Squirrel   Sep-16-10 07:06 AM   #35 
     - Flying Squirrel  Diclotican   Sep-16-10 08:29 AM   #43 
        - Maybe violence isn't the answer...  MedicalAdmin   Sep-16-10 11:18 AM   #53 
           - MedicalAdmin  Diclotican   Sep-16-10 01:39 PM   #81 
     - actually, I think the German people should have stepped up when Hitler  newspeak   Sep-16-10 11:58 AM   #60 
     - So, if we apply this model to current day?  paparush   Sep-16-10 01:10 PM   #74 
     - paparush  Diclotican   Sep-16-10 02:48 PM   #92 
     - Aha. "Special Ops".  Ghost Dog   Sep-16-10 06:12 PM   #113 
        - Ghost Dog  Diclotican   Sep-16-10 07:40 PM   #118 
     - WWII...  EXneoCON   Sep-16-10 08:39 AM   #45 
     - Sign of the times..  Javaman   Sep-16-10 11:39 AM   #56 
     - Yep. And even though he had laid it all out in "Mein Kampf"  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-16-10 02:50 PM   #93 
     - RaleighNCDUer  Diclotican   Sep-16-10 07:49 PM   #119 
     - "It Can't Happen Here" is being repeated in real life now. Sarah Palin = Buzz Windrip.  AlinPA   Sep-16-10 05:31 PM   #109 
        - Yep and like in the book the tea party morons are her "patriot minute men". nt  Javaman   Sep-17-10 07:51 AM   #134 
           - Exactly. Palin and "Buzz" both wrote books full of pablum that appeals to their ignorant followers.  AlinPA   Sep-17-10 11:26 AM   #138 
              - What I liked most about that book was...  Javaman   Sep-17-10 11:33 AM   #139 
                 - Yes they do sound the same. Also the "Minutemen" characters are very much like today's  AlinPA   Sep-17-10 04:04 PM   #141 
     - Cancelling reparations from WW1, which would have put their government  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-16-10 02:39 PM   #91 
        - I agree...  Javaman   Sep-17-10 07:56 AM   #135 
  - Or a horse.  mmonk   Sep-16-10 04:56 AM   #23 
  - Right -- purpose of corporate fascism is to destroy the democratic process -- and it's worked --!!  defendandprotect   Sep-16-10 12:41 PM   #69 
  - It's an outside chance, but it should always be borne in mind.  pnorman   Sep-15-10 11:27 PM   #3 
  - I agree  Dal   Sep-15-10 11:36 PM   #5 
  - K&R Making Hitler talk on this board will generally get you ridiculed.  puebloknot   Sep-16-10 12:21 AM   #8 
  - That must have been interesting to live there during that time.  Javaman   Sep-17-10 08:00 AM   #136 
  - Time to Wake Up.  chervilant   Sep-16-10 12:35 AM   #9 
  - Hear, hear. Also, Rah! n/t  planetc   Sep-16-10 06:09 AM   #30 
  - +1. Very interesting...  truebrit71   Sep-16-10 08:39 AM   #46 
  - +10000 I like your post.  felix_numinous   Sep-16-10 01:23 PM   #78 
  - one big problem i see  the redcoat   Sep-16-10 01:29 AM   #12 
  - Hah! YOU'VE hit the nail on the head!  Rozlee   Sep-16-10 11:30 AM   #55 
  - And with the newer  femrap   Sep-16-10 12:19 PM   #65 
  - Ham radios are still being produced & used  FirstLight   Sep-16-10 02:29 PM   #88 
  - right there with yoiu...  Javaman   Sep-17-10 08:01 AM   #137 
  - I've been thinking a lot about this lately.  Blue_In_AK   Sep-16-10 01:56 AM   #15 
  - Really?? Fearmongering on the DU now? There was so much more  Better Today   Sep-16-10 02:01 AM   #16 
  - On the contrary. There is a huge resevoir of anger and defeat----among white racists who were taught  McCamy Taylor   Sep-16-10 02:10 AM   #18 
  - Amen to that. Civil Rights backlash is alive and well -- add to that  uncommon   Sep-16-10 01:21 PM   #76 
  - "...no matter how poor they were, at least they were better than Black folks."  KansDem   Sep-16-10 02:12 PM   #86 
  - deleted  phasma ex machina   Sep-16-10 11:03 PM   #129 
  - Such as the "dolchstrosslegende?"  nemo137   Sep-16-10 02:11 AM   #19 
  - Wow, you really HAVEN'T been paying attention.  Flying Squirrel   Sep-16-10 05:20 AM   #25 
  - yeah, not like the ptb are ramping up that angle or anything. lol,  Hannah Bell   Sep-16-10 06:44 AM   #33 
  - Running of fear? Where have we seen this before?  Ganja Ninja   Sep-16-10 07:23 AM   #37 
  - I don't think there has to be residual hatred of the kind of which...  a la izquierda   Sep-16-10 07:26 AM   #38 
  - You mean, for instance....  EXneoCON   Sep-16-10 08:51 AM   #48 
  - While I agree with you...  Javaman   Sep-16-10 11:56 AM   #58 
  - Thom Hartmann was talking about this today... T-baggers = "brown/black" shirts .....  defendandprotect   Sep-16-10 03:37 AM   #20 
  - ..  Hannah Bell   Sep-16-10 04:46 AM   #22 
  - safety requires immediate and strong leftward political movement.  tomp   Sep-16-10 05:47 AM   #28 
  - Actually it requires a unified left. Any brand of left will do. That is what sunk the Germans  stevenleser   Sep-16-10 01:26 PM   #79 
     - We have a fractured left too, if you want to count everyone in Congress  Raksha   Sep-16-10 04:29 PM   #101 
        - Exactly, we DO have a fractured left. Thats the problem  stevenleser   Sep-16-10 04:44 PM   #104 
  - I'm not afraid  Raoul   Sep-16-10 05:59 AM   #29 
  - Exactly. I refuse to live in fear and I hate when fear is used for  Phentex   Sep-16-10 06:12 AM   #31 
  - +1 The only thing to fear is fear itself  Politicub   Sep-16-10 11:29 AM   #54 
  - The economy itself..  sendero   Sep-16-10 06:29 AM   #32 
  - I'm conflicted about this OP.  inna   Sep-16-10 07:15 AM   #36 
  - +10  feslen   Sep-16-10 08:17 AM   #41 
     - Uhm  kenfrequed   Sep-16-10 11:44 AM   #57 
  - K&R Spend some time on the top floor  Jakes Progress   Sep-16-10 08:10 AM   #39 
  - and Sarah Palin and her gang leads that extreme KKK right  feslen   Sep-16-10 08:11 AM   #40 
  - Yes, it sells papers, but has the coverage been balanced?  olegramps   Sep-16-10 08:40 AM   #47 
  - With a new Rovian twist to make it harder to organize against.  Usrename   Sep-16-10 08:35 AM   #44 
  - Great post, would only add  TBF   Sep-16-10 09:40 AM   #49 
  - +1 (nm)  TonyMontana   Sep-16-10 11:57 AM   #59 
  - I think one thing has to be considered is that  newspeak   Sep-16-10 12:13 PM   #63 
  - The new Red (Crescent) Scare  Skip_In_Boulder   Sep-16-10 12:12 PM   #62 
  - One has to vote this election  Skip_In_Boulder   Sep-16-10 12:18 PM   #64 
  - I see it and feel it too...but I'm not sure of tactics  radhika   Sep-16-10 12:25 PM   #67 
  - All that is required is a unified left. Any brand of left. n/t  stevenleser   Sep-16-10 01:27 PM   #80 
  - Read 'They Thought They Were Free' by Milton Mayer  Ezlivin   Sep-16-10 12:53 PM   #71 
  - Two things  Knight Hawk   Sep-16-10 01:18 PM   #75 
  - Not Exactly  Knight Hawk   Sep-16-10 12:59 PM   #72 
  - there were industrialists over here who backed Hitler and Mussolini  newspeak   Sep-16-10 01:22 PM   #77 
     - ?  Knight Hawk   Sep-16-10 08:21 PM   #120 
  - Cartoon about how the Tea Party has turned against the GOP.  TexasObserver   Sep-16-10 01:00 PM   #73 
  - yes, it could happen here, look what has happened so far, scary  katty   Sep-16-10 02:00 PM   #85 
  - I hate to admit it, but you are right  FirstLight   Sep-16-10 02:15 PM   #87 
  - Noam Chomsky has said that we are in the same place  RoccoR5955   Sep-16-10 02:32 PM   #90 
  - X  BOG PERSON   Sep-16-10 06:20 PM   #114 
  - Vigilance is very different than paranoia  felix_numinous   Sep-16-10 02:56 PM   #94 
  - Good point! I've been vigilant since 2004 when the Repukes stole the Ohio vote  Raksha   Sep-16-10 05:27 PM   #108 
  - but but, those Germans were in black & white  stuntcat   Sep-16-10 03:41 PM   #99 
  - The Tea Party would feel right at home burning the Reichstag!  h9socialist   Sep-16-10 04:26 PM   #100 
  - McCamy, I think I'm actually more pessimistic about our future than you.  robertpaulsen   Sep-16-10 04:40 PM   #102 
  - "A revolution rooted in stupidity." I think it is far worse than that.  BeHereNow   Sep-16-10 05:21 PM   #107 
  - "It is going to take more than a vote to save this country.  BOG PERSON   Sep-16-10 06:09 PM   #112 
  - Comparisons...  War Horse   Sep-16-10 06:45 PM   #115 
  - more like Mussolini.....  madrchsod   Sep-16-10 07:27 PM   #117 
  - Welcome to DU! Keep up your insights.  Hardrada   Sep-17-10 12:41 AM   #130 
  - Time to get serious....  CUTTIN HEADS   Sep-16-10 06:56 PM   #116 
  - I am not scared and I am paying attention...  and-justice-for-all   Sep-16-10 09:07 PM   #121 
  - The Teabaggers are our version of the Nazi SA.  Odin2005   Sep-16-10 09:10 PM   #122 
  - Read "Defying Hitler" by Sebastian Haffner . . .  janet118   Sep-16-10 09:53 PM   #125 
  - Forewarned is Forearmed.  bertman   Sep-16-10 10:00 PM   #126 
  - I cringe every time anybody ridicules the possibility that Sarah Palin will be president.  Frank Booth   Sep-16-10 10:29 PM   #127 
  - Many of the German people ridiculed Hitler . . .  janet118   Sep-17-10 02:06 PM   #140 
  - I'm afraid that is all too possible  Douglas Carpenter   Sep-16-10 10:43 PM   #128 
  - Kicked and Recommended  Winston Wolf   Sep-17-10 01:14 AM   #131 
  - Your name should be in there...  Butch350   Sep-17-10 07:05 AM   #132 
  - The notion that those in poverty have less claim to our tax dollars than those in bankers clothes is  midnight   Sep-18-10 07:23 PM   #143 
 

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