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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 11:13 AM
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42. so there is no such thing as the left?
What I mean by the left is - the left blogosphere. You know, DU, DKos, Firedoglake, Hubbalaboo, etc. Pseudo-left is sort of a Somerby term, by which he means those who play the left on TV or in the papers - Ed Schulz, KeithO, Rachel, LarryO, our own Richard Wolffe, Eugene Robinson, Bob Herbert, etc., etc.

As for the evidence, puh-lease. Are you saying that you do not read DU? That you do not notice white people being trashed here on a regular basis? First, they are trashed for having genocidal and slave-owning ancestors even though most white people did not own slaves even in 1860. Then they are trashed as racists. Because, after all, only a racist would attack a black President and call him names. Then they are trashed as racists and xenophobes for not wanting open borders. Almost whenever there is a new issue or debate, it is the forces of good on one side and the forces of racism, bigotry and xenophobia on the other side, and, by a happy circumstance, the majority of the other side happen to by white.

"Next week, we plan to continue our discussion of the liberal worlds love of its bombsits R-bombs, X-bombs, N-bombs, I-bombs and even its S, M and B and H-bombs. For today, we thought we might take a moment to review the way our gods react to the rabble. A godly professor dropped X- and E-bombs when confronted with their lowly conduct. And Digby knew what she was seeing, as this great god always does. In this passage, she is discussing the Cordoba House matter:

DIGBY (8/12/10): I think the thing that's most jarring about this controversyand the similar protests around the countryis that it's happening eight years after the fact. It would have made far more sense in the immediate aftermath, but the nation managed to resist this by and large (with some very notable exceptions.) My assumption is that this was because the president and the Republicans kept a leash on their neanderthals, which they are clearly failing to do now. Indeed, they have joined them.

And obviously, this has something to do with it. (Whether they are projecting their bigotry against African Americans on to Muslims or their bigotry against Muslims onto African Americans remains an open question. Not that it really matters.)

But a large majority of the country don't think this cultural center project should happen, and people all over the country are protesting the building of mosques in their neighborhoods suddenly, so it isn't just wing-nuts letting their most outlandish freaks' flags fly in NYC. Has this know-nothing hostility been out there all along and was just held back by the GOP establishment or is it just plain old racism and xenophobia come to the surface in an environment which welcomes it?"

"Lets face it: This has always been the principal joy of liberalism. Among a certain type of white pseudo-liberal, the very point of being a liberal is the opportunity it gives us to name-call working-class whites. This is our one undeniable skilland it reaches its fullest flower when we get to call them racists. Indeed, a certain type of white pseudo-liberal lives for the pleasures this practice provides. Its the only political play we seem to know. Were like a football team which runs off right tackle every playthen wonders why it cant score."

You have really never seen this on DU? Just keep reading. You will see it within a few days. Maybe here with 172!! Rs

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  -Naomi Klein on Building a real LEFT -- defendandprotect  Sep-14-10 03:07 PM   #0 
  - Jobs  BeFree   Sep-14-10 03:18 PM   #1 
  - Your jobs program is one of the best I have heard....Lets start  movonne   Sep-14-10 03:24 PM   #2 
  - Best idea ever.  mmonk   Sep-14-10 03:26 PM   #3 
  - I like it!  another saigon   Sep-14-10 03:55 PM   #11 
  - I like it.  Usrename   Sep-15-10 12:36 PM   #25 
  - Excellent idea!  leftstreet   Sep-16-10 11:32 AM   #44 
  - k&r! nt  wildbilln864   Sep-14-10 03:31 PM   #4 
  - Naomi Klein lacks pragmatism  bherrera   Sep-14-10 03:31 PM   #5 
  - Examples please.  BeFree   Sep-14-10 03:35 PM   #6 
  - Everywhere  bherrera   Sep-14-10 04:22 PM   #13 
     - Communist??? WTF ...Put down the crack pipe.  L0oniX   Sep-16-10 01:15 PM   #49 
     - Wow, it's Mr Koolaid.  blindpig   Sep-17-10 03:04 PM   #53 
  - oh please  Donnachaidh   Sep-14-10 03:39 PM   #7 
  - yeah, could you give just one of two examples...  kentuck   Sep-14-10 03:50 PM   #8 
  - Social Security and Medicare?  another saigon   Sep-14-10 03:54 PM   #10 
  - You have much to learn about left (actual left) politics, Padawan. (nt)  w4rma   Sep-14-10 04:19 PM   #12 
  - Hard Left?  bherrera   Sep-14-10 05:45 PM   #19 
     - Quick Test:  Kalyke   Sep-16-10 11:25 AM   #43 
     - Crack heads are leftists too. Please add that to your sad uninformed list.  L0oniX   Sep-16-10 01:17 PM   #50 
  - So do the corporatists.  mmonk   Sep-14-10 04:40 PM   #15 
  - bherrera, you have discredited yourself with your comparison of Hugo Chavez to Adolph Hitler...  Peace Patriot   Sep-14-10 05:08 PM   #17 
  - As far as information from SA  another saigon   Sep-14-10 05:55 PM   #20 
  - No -- Social Security is the extreme left vs corporate fascism today --  defendandprotect   Sep-15-10 10:36 PM   #32 
  - Yes. The media will ignore progressive movements and messages.  Radical Activist   Sep-14-10 03:54 PM   #9 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-14-10 04:31 PM   #14 
  - What is white hatred?  mmonk   Sep-14-10 04:44 PM   #16 
  - There is a very strong left in this Party...  kentuck   Sep-14-10 05:25 PM   #18 
  - That should be listed as one of the DU rules: "come armed with a rational mind" nt  glitch   Sep-15-10 03:48 PM   #30 
  - Puzzling statements, "controlthepast"!  Peace Patriot   Sep-14-10 06:47 PM   #21 
  - didn't see the deleted post  hfojvt   Sep-15-10 11:37 PM   #36 
     - You could be right that the deleted poster meant hatred OF whites.  Peace Patriot   Sep-16-10 08:57 AM   #37 
        - so there is no such thing as the left?  hfojvt   Sep-16-10 11:13 AM   #42 
  - non-majoritarian?  druidity33   Sep-14-10 07:28 PM   #22 
  - You are claiming that "White Hatred" is a plank in the Democratic Party -- ????  defendandprotect   Sep-15-10 10:41 PM   #33 
     - Same poster put up the same sentiment yesterday on another thread. n/t  EFerrari   Sep-16-10 01:03 PM   #46 
  - Easy for Naomi to make advance these destructive ideas  NJmaverick   Sep-15-10 08:35 AM   #23 
  - She lacks pragmatism  bherrera   Sep-15-10 01:09 PM   #26 
     - And spineless Democrat's like you are the reason we don't see real change.  harun   Sep-15-10 01:17 PM   #27 
     - The GOP uses their right winger critics to move their party and government to the RIGHT ....  defendandprotect   Sep-15-10 10:43 PM   #34 
     - It's horrifying. I have seen politicians and the media moving more to the right for decades  harun   Sep-16-10 01:00 PM   #45 
        - America is a LIBERAL nation .... and the proof of that is that the right wing...  defendandprotect   Sep-17-10 09:08 PM   #56 
     - +1  L0oniX   Sep-16-10 01:11 PM   #47 
     - Unfortunately, it is Obama's Wall Street "team" and DLC/Rahm who are "disconnected"  defendandprotect   Sep-15-10 10:47 PM   #35 
     - if its follow Naomi or follow you, I'll go with Ms Klein  Lost4words   Sep-16-10 09:16 AM   #40 
  - we have a real left in this country,  southmost   Sep-15-10 10:03 AM   #24 
  - establishment left = establishment right ! nt  Lost4words   Sep-16-10 09:18 AM   #41 
  - K&R  Ignis   Sep-15-10 01:40 PM   #28 
  - Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Sep-15-10 01:47 PM   #29 
  - Look! It's Naomi Klein! What time is it?  robdogbucky   Sep-15-10 04:04 PM   #31 
  - Where's your link?  lonestarnot   Sep-16-10 09:06 AM   #39 
  - where's my link to what?  robdogbucky   Sep-17-10 02:19 PM   #51 
  - +1  L0oniX   Sep-16-10 01:13 PM   #48 
  - I would follow Naomi Klein into a burning building!  Lost4words   Sep-16-10 09:03 AM   #38 
  - While I completely agree with Naomi Klein, what we lack is...  Javaman   Sep-17-10 02:31 PM   #52 
  - So this "new left" would be a mirror of the teabaggers, full of truthers  snooper2   Sep-17-10 03:07 PM   #54 
  - naomi is spot on -- i've witnessed since the sixties the lefts ability to organize  xchrom   Sep-17-10 03:15 PM   #55 

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