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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #52
56. Then let him go to war without Congressional approval
Edited on Sun Sep-12-10 11:45 PM by jgraz
I don't understand how any of your excuses can justify the capitulation we witnessed.

You're talking about actual legislation? How can any legislation be worse than a lifetime appointment of a radical rightwing nutcase to the SCOTUS? They can overrule ANY legislation we wish to pass.

I think you're simply looking for ways to limit the discussion so you don't look so foolish. If you just want to talk about legislation, maybe you can explain how the gun liability exemption, the PATRIOT act or Medicare Part D got passed?

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  -"I'm furious at Obama for reviving the monsters of the right instead of crushing them" Better Believe It  Sep-12-10 09:57 PM   #0 
  - can't blame him.  BrklynLiberal   Sep-12-10 09:58 PM   #1 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-12-10 09:59 PM   #2 
  - You read the entire article in less than two minutes? Unbelievable!  Better Believe It   Sep-12-10 10:02 PM   #3 
  - Anyone who is familiar with the history of the American rightwing  geek tragedy   Sep-12-10 10:13 PM   #11 
  - You seem to be not familiar with that history. Unless you're only concerned about "noise".  Better Believe It   Sep-12-10 10:20 PM   #15 
     - "were totally defeated by the civil rights movement in the 50's and 60's."  geek tragedy   Sep-12-10 10:35 PM   #26 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-12-10 11:09 PM   #49 
  - I agree with the author. He had the chance to stick them in the face  roguevalley   Sep-13-10 03:40 PM   #153 
  - Just as nothing was bu$h's fault - everything is Obama's  liberal N proud   Sep-12-10 10:03 PM   # 
  - It's not real freakout, it's kabuki. They get to call him a Nazi Muslim commie soashulist while  Jim Sagle   Sep-12-10 10:07 PM   #5 
  - How about his stand on Israel? Are the people who think  geek tragedy   Sep-12-10 10:12 PM   #10 
  - I'd rather not sidetrack the discussion - don't want to turn this into an I/P thread.  Jim Sagle   Sep-12-10 10:22 PM   #18 
     - Well, why should we disbelieve one group of rightwing  geek tragedy   Sep-12-10 10:37 PM   #28 
        - A better question is, why should I (or anyone) pay attention to your obvious attempts to destroy  Jim Sagle   Sep-12-10 10:56 PM   #41 
           - They wouldn't try to distract the discussion, would they?  Dr.Phool   Sep-13-10 07:29 AM   #101 
           - In other words, only the rightwing criticisms  geek tragedy   Sep-13-10 09:42 AM   #108 
           - Best reply to the professional interrupters yet.  Jakes Progress   Sep-13-10 09:59 AM   #112 
              - +1000 nt  TBF   Sep-13-10 12:43 PM   #123 
  - The key is "enacts their policies," HCR and a much watered-down financial reform bill  indepat   Sep-13-10 09:51 AM   #109 
  - Agreed.  FiveGoodMen   Sep-13-10 02:06 PM   #132 
  - Being There. When a garden with good soil is provided even weeds can overtake the good plants.  Safetykitten   Sep-13-10 12:56 AM   #65 
  - Oh FFS. Focus on the monsters.  Pirate Smile   Sep-12-10 10:03 PM   #4 
  - Do you mean monsters that claim the right to murder us?  Usrename   Sep-13-10 09:57 AM   #111 
  - It is amazing how many boneheads keep claiming that Obama "negotiates" with the Republicans  BzaDem   Sep-12-10 10:07 PM   #6 
  - Excellent point about 60 votes nt  flamingdem   Sep-12-10 10:09 PM   #9 
  - Especially when President Obama could have passed legislation with 51 votes.  Better Believe It   Sep-12-10 10:16 PM   #12 
  - You have said that crap so much that you probably even believe the false words you write.  BzaDem   Sep-12-10 10:25 PM   #19 
  - Thank you. n/t  JTFrog   Sep-13-10 05:28 AM   #95 
  - Once again I have to say that you seem to be totally unfamiliar with Senate rules and procedures.  Better Believe It   Sep-13-10 10:11 PM   #187 
  - That is simply not true. It's a MYTH perpetrated by the "Obama sux"  geek tragedy   Sep-12-10 10:41 PM   #33 
  - God forbid that we cut into their fundraising time.  Dr.Phool   Sep-13-10 07:36 AM   #102 
  - Didnt the Democrats get to modify the rules at the beginning of the session? nm  rhett o rick   Sep-13-10 10:01 PM   #184 
  - Is David Waldman aware of the fact that Senator Reid did force Republicans to engage in a real .....  Better Believe It   Sep-13-10 10:50 PM   #190 
  - You can't change Senate rules in the middle of a session.  pnwmom   Sep-13-10 02:33 AM   #82 
  - Also Obama's in a different branch of government.  Hansel   Sep-13-10 01:07 PM   #128 
  - So why werent they changed at the beginning of the session? nm  rhett o rick   Sep-13-10 10:01 PM   #185 
  - The Senate has the power to change its rules at anytime during a session.  Better Believe It   Sep-14-10 04:33 PM   #197 
  - Well, I believe it: weakened to guarantee failure  indepat   Sep-13-10 09:56 AM   #110 
  - 60 votes is a myth n/t  leftstreet   Sep-12-10 10:19 PM   #14 
     - Yeah, and Obama was born in Kenya. Both your statement and that one have equal veracity. n/t  BzaDem   Sep-12-10 10:25 PM   #20 
     - No offense meant. You seem very informed so I'm surprised you didn't know this  leftstreet   Sep-12-10 10:28 PM   #23 
        - The problem with your argument is that all the "debunkings" are actually pure bullshit.  BzaDem   Sep-12-10 10:31 PM   #24 
           - OMG is that also what the Dems did to the Repubs?  leftstreet   Sep-12-10 10:32 PM   #25 
              - They didnt need to, because Republicans gave up.They failed with SS privatization, ANWR, immigration  BzaDem   Sep-12-10 10:36 PM   #27 
                 - Yeah, like the invasion of Iraq and the appointments of Roberts and Alito  jgraz   Sep-12-10 11:11 PM   #50 
                    - Bush would have gone to war with or without Cognress' say so. Supreme court justices have not been  BzaDem   Sep-12-10 11:24 PM   #52 
                       - Then let him go to war without Congressional approval  jgraz   Sep-12-10 11:42 PM   #56 
                          - You are acting as if blocking Roberts would have resulted in not getting a radical rightwing nutcase  BzaDem   Sep-13-10 12:11 AM   #58 
                             - You just made the argument for never standing up to the right wing ever  jgraz   Sep-13-10 12:22 AM   #59 
                                - No, they would only have killed the filibuster for judicial nominations.  BzaDem   Sep-13-10 01:25 AM   #67 
                                   - Pathetic.  jgraz   Sep-13-10 01:49 AM   #70 
                                      - What you neglect to mention is that almost always happens in a President's first midterm election.  BzaDem   Sep-13-10 01:55 AM   #71 
                                         - Good thing we didn't elect someone who promised to change things then  jgraz   Sep-13-10 02:03 AM   #74 
                                         - Well in reality Obama has brought lots of progressive change. Your inability to see that  BzaDem   Sep-13-10 02:06 AM   #75 
                                            - If you're going to try to magically make things happen just by saying them...  jgraz   Sep-13-10 02:09 AM   #77 
                                            - Well then 85% of liberal democrats are magically making things happen just by saying them.  BzaDem   Sep-13-10 02:19 AM   #78 
                                            - Not quite up on our logical fallacies, are we.  jgraz   Sep-13-10 02:28 AM   #79 
                                            - In this case, I am making an argument that people like you are numerically irrelevent  BzaDem   Sep-13-10 02:31 AM   #80 
                                            - Oh really? You've "outlined a great many reasons"?  jgraz   Sep-13-10 02:40 AM   #83 
                                            - Sure.  BzaDem   Sep-13-10 02:56 AM   #84 
                                            - I'm sorry I wasn't clear. I meant *actual* progressive reforms. In reality.  jgraz   Sep-13-10 03:42 AM   #90 
                                            - I have already debunked your talking points on financial reform. Your points on HCR are bogus.  BzaDem   Sep-13-10 04:08 AM   #91 
                                            - Nice tactic. Let me try it: I've already proven you wrong before, so there.  jgraz   Sep-13-10 04:38 AM   #92 
                                            - The problem is that you don't regard things like facts and evidence as relevant, unless it confirms  BzaDem   Sep-13-10 04:51 AM   #93 
                                            - Yeah, you don't even believe that crap.  jgraz   Sep-13-10 05:17 AM   #94 
                                            - Okay so let's try this out, starting with the nice little mantra of  truedelphi   Sep-13-10 04:10 PM   #158 
                                            - I can't say it is certain but I'd say the Packers are much more likely than not.  TheKentuckian   Sep-13-10 10:34 AM   #113 
                                            - Please define "progressive change". nt  TBF   Sep-13-10 12:46 PM   #124 
                                            - Bza defines it as "anything Obama has done"  jgraz   Sep-13-10 04:21 PM   #163 
                                         - well, I'd say the opposition party would be more enthusiastic  newspeak   Sep-13-10 09:24 PM   #178 
                                         - +1 and then some for persistance  Crystal Clarity   Sep-13-10 09:29 PM   #182 
                                            - "Trolling" isn't spelled with a "p"  Techn0Girl   Sep-14-10 02:59 PM   #194 
     - You may be proven correct when the Senate votes on the Debt Com. 'recommendations'. eom  NorthCarolina   Sep-13-10 07:54 AM   #104 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-12-10 10:26 PM   #21 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-12-10 10:27 PM   #22 
     - it's not alternate  Skittles   Sep-12-10 10:40 PM   #31 
     - Most people living in alternate realities don't actually admit it. But that doesn't make their  BzaDem   Sep-12-10 10:41 PM   #32 
        - if your vision of reality was REAL  Skittles   Sep-12-10 10:47 PM   #35 
           - Actually, the party out of power almost always gained seats in a President's first midterm.  BzaDem   Sep-12-10 10:54 PM   #39 
              - please.....stop with the endless talking points  Skittles   Sep-12-10 10:56 PM   #40 
              - I know, truth hurts. Facts hurt. Anything against your preconceived narrative hurts.  BzaDem   Sep-12-10 10:58 PM   #44 
                 - You don't have facts or truth  Jax   Sep-14-10 03:04 PM   #195 
              - Didn't happen in 1982, did it?  depakid   Sep-12-10 11:04 PM   #46 
              - He lost 26 house seats! That's actually a lot when you consider that Republicans were ALREADY  BzaDem   Sep-12-10 11:08 PM   #48 
              - even when that party fekked the country so badly  newspeak   Sep-13-10 09:41 PM   #183 
     - It's exactly what's been done- as shpwn on the record repeatedly  depakid   Sep-12-10 10:48 PM   #37 
        - Offshore drilling still has upwards of 60% support. Sorry to rain on your narrative's talking points  BzaDem   Sep-12-10 10:57 PM   #43 
           - Spoken (inaccurately) like a true conservadem!  depakid   Sep-12-10 11:12 PM   #51 
           - Yeah, I know you don't like polls and facts and stuff. Too inconvenient.  BzaDem   Sep-12-10 11:26 PM   #53 
              - More hogwash  depakid   Sep-13-10 06:06 AM   #99 
           - From whom.... ? The oil industry . . . ???  defendandprotect   Sep-13-10 01:31 AM   #68 
           - No, all American adults. n/t  BzaDem   Sep-13-10 01:57 AM   #72 
              - Since you refuse to provide facts and just continually derail discussions I'm putting you on ignore  Techn0Girl   Sep-13-10 04:36 PM   #166 
              - Mishion accomplished. I would rather talk with people who don't put their fingers in their ears  BzaDem   Sep-13-10 08:30 PM   #175 
              - And where's the evidence of that? We had a 26 year FREEZE on off-shore drilling ....  defendandprotect   Sep-13-10 09:21 PM   #177 
                 - Even the poll Techn0Girl posted herself indicates that 52% support offshore drilling in general. n/t  BzaDem   Sep-13-10 09:25 PM   #179 
                    - That only suggests that oil industry propaganda re oil drilling and the  defendandprotect   Sep-14-10 01:58 AM   #192 
           - 60% support for offshore drilling? I call BS ...  Techn0Girl   Sep-13-10 04:09 PM   #157 
              - Even your OWN POLL has support at 52%. Your 25% figure is those who oppose EXPANDING of offshore  BzaDem   Sep-13-10 08:31 PM   #176 
  - 60 votes isn't 60 votes.  scubadude   Sep-13-10 08:34 AM   #106 
  - Except that actually didn't happen on any bills here.  BzaDem   Sep-13-10 08:54 AM   #107 
     - I find it so amusing that now we are into polls  newspeak   Sep-13-10 10:22 PM   #188 
  - I wish I could rec this post.  NoSheep   Sep-13-10 01:38 PM   #129 
  - SSSHHHHHH! This isn't the real world, it's the internet!  USArmyParatrooper   Sep-14-10 03:05 PM   #196 
  - me too!  another saigon   Sep-12-10 10:08 PM   #7 
  - What a waste of five minutes  Lisa D   Sep-12-10 10:08 PM   #8 
  - hi Lisa, welcome to DU...n/t  veganlush   Sep-13-10 04:24 PM   #164 
  - The monsters of the right revived themselves Terminator-style.  Initech   Sep-12-10 10:17 PM   #13 
  - and an Unrec.  bluestateguy   Sep-12-10 10:21 PM   #16 
  - The Zombie Republican Party revived at the Healthcare Town Halls  leftstreet   Sep-12-10 10:22 PM   #17 
  - Well, I'm angy too but I'm not suicidal...  kentuck   Sep-12-10 10:38 PM   #29 
  - he had a true mandate to crush them  Skittles   Sep-12-10 10:39 PM   #30 
  - As a Texan  austin78704   Sep-12-10 10:46 PM   #34 
  - Does David Michael Green deserve an unrec?...  SidDithers   Sep-12-10 10:48 PM   #36 
  - Unrecced.  Scurrilous   Sep-12-10 11:00 PM   #45 
  - Negated. n/t  austin78704   Sep-12-10 11:26 PM   #54 
  - Negated. It's sad that you can't stand the truth. n/t  Catherina   Sep-13-10 01:59 AM   #73 
     - The next time David Michael Green deals with the "truth" will be the first time...  scheming daemons   Sep-13-10 12:11 PM   #118 
  - Neither you nor he speak for THIS progressive!!! n/t  Liberal_Stalwart71   Sep-12-10 10:53 PM   #38 
  - A little over the top on the passion, methinks...  kentuck   Sep-12-10 10:57 PM   #42 
  - Justice.  Octafish   Sep-12-10 11:04 PM   #47 
  - IMO left and right both now live in progressivly more tightly-sealed bubbles, freer  ProgressiveEconomist   Sep-12-10 11:31 PM   #55 
  - Absolutely One Of The Best...  Steely_Dan   Sep-12-10 11:57 PM   #57 
  - I must say...  kentuck   Sep-13-10 12:25 AM   #60 
  - Obama & DLC are like vampire hunters who carry around kegs of human blood and  yurbud   Sep-13-10 12:25 AM   #61 
  - You must have watched TrueBlood tonite?  kentuck   Sep-13-10 12:27 AM   #62 
     - my HBO has been out dammit! Don't spoil it.  yurbud   Sep-13-10 12:34 AM   #63 
  - That's only part of it. Look for the real deal to begin after the election.  Safetykitten   Sep-13-10 12:49 AM   #64 
  - Fucking Reagan and Bush did it  G_j   Sep-13-10 03:13 AM   #86 
  - I completely agree with your analysis and came to much the same conclusions myself ....  Techn0Girl   Sep-13-10 02:49 PM   #144 
  - Goddamn right.  DeSwiss   Sep-13-10 01:22 AM   #66 
  - Agree -- "feel duped by Obama" -- and ....  defendandprotect   Sep-13-10 01:35 AM   #69 
  - Spoke for me. Duped and won't be duped again. Recommended,. n/t  Catherina   Sep-13-10 02:08 AM   #76 
  - I truly did have the audacity to Hope. Now I'm sufferring the agonies of Reality.  Techn0Girl   Sep-13-10 02:54 PM   #147 
  - He's an idiot to think that any President, in the space of less than 2 years,  pnwmom   Sep-13-10 02:31 AM   #81 
  - one never knows unless they try, nt  G_j   Sep-13-10 03:19 AM   #87 
  - Do yourself a favor and educate yourself by looking up "FDR 100 days"  Techn0Girl   Sep-13-10 03:22 PM   #150 
  - We badly need an F.D.R.  Jim_Shorts   Sep-13-10 03:04 AM   #85 
  - The problem with reconciliation is you can't make anything permanent. You can just extend it further  BzaDem   Sep-13-10 03:21 AM   #88 
  - Not a problem at all- at least not for anyone who's interested in good policy instead of excuses  depakid   Sep-13-10 06:04 AM   #98 
  - Ten years is more than appropriate for stimultive tax breaks  TheKentuckian   Sep-13-10 11:12 AM   #114 
     - Exactly!  Better Believe It   Sep-13-10 07:20 PM   #173 
  - Reconciliation only works if the bill results in a reduction in the deficit.  pnwmom   Sep-13-10 03:33 AM   #89 
  - i understand being furious at obama.  tomp   Sep-13-10 05:34 AM   #96 
  - "You could almost feel bad for Barack Nothingburger," - David Michael Green...  SidDithers   Sep-13-10 05:41 AM   #97 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-13-10 07:42 AM   #103 
  - People who HATE Obama love David Michael Green. nt  geek tragedy   Sep-13-10 08:29 AM   #105 
  - I could have written the article myself..  sendero   Sep-13-10 06:10 AM   #100 
  - I'm pretty sure he hasn't had a come to Jesus moment at all  TheKentuckian   Sep-13-10 11:24 AM   #115 
  - +1000  Jax   Sep-13-10 11:26 AM   #116 
  - +1  txlibdem   Sep-13-10 05:51 PM   #168 
  - David Michael Green is the best friend the GOP ever had  scheming daemons   Sep-13-10 12:08 PM   #117 
  - Its all part of a movement to dump Obama...they are losing and they are in desperation  opihimoimoi   Sep-13-10 12:15 PM   #119 
  - He has his hammer on the nail and I give him an A+  ooglymoogly   Sep-13-10 12:37 PM   #120 
  - "...for taking care of the privileged and allowing the rest of us to suffer..."  uponit7771   Sep-13-10 12:38 PM   #121 
  - David Michael Green is either a fool, or a damn liar  PBass   Sep-13-10 12:43 PM   #122 
  - You may not believe David Michael Green -  TBF   Sep-13-10 12:49 PM   #125 
  - Um, was that supposed to make sense?  PBass   Sep-13-10 01:00 PM   #126 
     - It's not the speed, it's the direction -  TBF   Sep-13-10 01:59 PM   #131 
  - I have a special place for you to put your "Magic Poney" bullcrap .  Techn0Girl   Sep-13-10 02:27 PM   #136 
  - I'm enamored by Obama because "he made history." nt  newtothegame   Sep-13-10 01:06 PM   #127 
  - That's the only thing you ever say. In every comment, you always say the same thing?  SemiCharmedQuark   Sep-13-10 02:37 PM   #139 
  - It's amazing how the Democrats NEVER remember the greedy hateful diabolical republican monster  LaPera   Sep-13-10 01:53 PM   #130 
  - who needs a memory  CLANG   Sep-13-10 03:28 PM   #152 
     - "who needs a memory when we see what these bastards do and say on a daily basis?"  Techn0Girl   Sep-13-10 03:59 PM   #155 
        - Just one more willful misinterpretation of my posts  CLANG   Sep-13-10 04:14 PM   #160 
           - Direct quotes taken in context really sting don't they?  Techn0Girl   Sep-13-10 04:16 PM   #161 
              - Wow, what a clairvoyant you are! You really pegged me! Now go away.  CLANG   Sep-13-10 06:04 PM   #169 
  - Edwards and Clinton promised "angry confrontation" with the right.  McCamy Taylor   Sep-13-10 02:08 PM   #133 
  - I listened to the candidates but heard Obama say a LOT different things then he is now doing ....  Techn0Girl   Sep-13-10 02:43 PM   #142 
  - Upvoted and Thanks ! ....  Techn0Girl   Sep-13-10 02:23 PM   #134 
  - He needs a sedative . . . even though he's right about a lot things.  h9socialist   Sep-13-10 02:27 PM   #135 
  - Bullshit! How is OBAMA to blame for BECK's madness?  UrbScotty   Sep-13-10 02:28 PM   #137 
  - You need to read the actual entire article rather than the title....  Techn0Girl   Sep-13-10 02:42 PM   #141 
  - The "professional left" is responsible for reviving these monsters  NJmaverick   Sep-13-10 02:35 PM   #138 
  - "My President Right or Wrong"  Techn0Girl   Sep-13-10 02:40 PM   #140 
     - not as unoriginal as your disingenuous rebuttal  NJmaverick   Sep-13-10 02:44 PM   #143 
        - "I'm rubber and you're glue" ... you really want to go there ?  Techn0Girl   Sep-13-10 02:50 PM   #145 
           - How ironic, you could only offer up simplistic insults in your own responses  NJmaverick   Sep-13-10 02:52 PM   #146 
  - Revived the monsters ??  kentuck   Sep-13-10 03:04 PM   #148 
  - "They" are Congress.  AlbertCat   Sep-13-10 03:23 PM   #151 
  - I agree with a lot of what's in this diatribe, but, man,  deutsey   Sep-13-10 03:17 PM   #149 
  - An interesting post upthread by SidDithers brings out that Green has a history...  Techn0Girl   Sep-13-10 03:54 PM   #154 
  - Not really that interesting  Panaconda   Sep-13-10 09:27 PM   #180 
  - Same here. n/t  truedelphi   Sep-13-10 04:10 PM   #159 
  - Wow. That is too Obama's fault???????? God, i hope  impik   Sep-13-10 04:02 PM   #156 
  - Obama goes homes! Obama goes homes! Whatever.  Bluebear   Sep-14-10 04:34 PM   #198 
  - He was all talk and a no show......  BlueJac   Sep-13-10 04:19 PM   #162 
  - Why do you think he became a law professor instead of a trial lawyer?  DailyGrind51   Sep-13-10 04:33 PM   #165 
  - FDR had it easy!  SkyDaddy7   Sep-13-10 05:27 PM   #167 
  - Well, historical revisionism is even easier, as you demonstrated.  liberation   Sep-13-10 07:07 PM   #172 
     - yep, FDR has it easy  newspeak   Sep-13-10 10:28 PM   #189 
  - I believe in free speech, but why have not the mods shut down this thread?  McCamy Taylor   Sep-13-10 06:08 PM   #170 
  - Let me get this straight .... You "believe" in free speech ....  Techn0Girl   Sep-13-10 08:28 PM   #174 
  - K&R n/t  MissDeeds   Sep-13-10 06:59 PM   #171 
  - Yeah, Dems should have bulldozed the pukes  and-justice-for-all   Sep-13-10 09:27 PM   #181 
  - Best two sentences I've read in a long time....  Frisbee   Sep-13-10 10:07 PM   #186 
  - David Green is brilliant  Jim_Shorts   Sep-14-10 12:33 AM   #191 
     - An Army of passionate volunteers ....  Techn0Girl   Sep-14-10 02:58 PM   #193 

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