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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 04:51 PM
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88. I'm sorry about your mom. My dad died of lung cancer, actually.
Camel Unfiltereds, because 'real men' didn't smoke the ones with filters. There is no doubt in my mind as to what killed him.

I think consenting adults should be able to make their own decisions about what they put in their bodies. But I also think it's reasonable to tax things like cigarettes, and alcohol, that have quantifiable societal health costs. If that means we should tax HFCS and trans fats as well, hey, go for it.

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  -Just ran out for a cigar, interesting conversation with owner of the store The Straight Story  Sep-12-10 01:22 PM   #0 
  - You're right.  chrisa   Sep-12-10 01:27 PM   #1 
  - They didn't raise taxes on people, they raised it on a product.  Codeine   Sep-12-10 01:27 PM   #2 
  - +1...nt  SidDithers   Sep-12-10 01:29 PM   #5 
  - They raised it on a politically expedient target. n/t  JHB   Sep-12-10 01:38 PM   #16 
  - That is correct, but they are drug addicts  Taitertots   Sep-12-10 01:49 PM   #30 
  - Exactly. I'm calling BS on this one.  Xenotime   Sep-12-10 06:32 PM   #101 
  - It appears they are NOT buying said product  jmowreader   Sep-12-10 11:33 PM   #133 
  - So childrens health isn't worth paying more for tobaco.  Ozymanithrax   Sep-12-10 01:27 PM   #3 
  - Tax the rich, not the poor. nt  ZombieHorde   Sep-12-10 01:30 PM   #7 
  - They aren't taxing "the poor."  Codeine   Sep-12-10 01:33 PM   #10 
  - A higher percentage of poor people are regular smokers than rich people.  ZombieHorde   Sep-12-10 01:37 PM   #14 
     - If cigarettes are their deciding issue when it's time to vote  Codeine   Sep-12-10 03:12 PM   #74 
        - They still vote n/t  robdogbucky   Sep-12-10 04:23 PM   #84 
        - No, they don't ...  Cosmocat   Sep-13-10 06:56 AM   #138 
           - This is true.  Codeine   Sep-13-10 09:42 AM   #139 
        - Excellent point.  Xenotime   Sep-12-10 06:35 PM   #103 
        - How do you win elections without voters? nt  ZombieHorde   Sep-12-10 08:00 PM   #119 
  - The rich smoke cigars (El Rushbo loves them) so it hits everyone equally.  Ozymanithrax   Sep-12-10 01:35 PM   #12 
     - Everybody is not hit equally. Rush makes more money than poor people.  ZombieHorde   Sep-12-10 01:38 PM   #17 
     - Well, then poor smokers should consider if their pleasure or children's health is more important.  Ozymanithrax   Sep-12-10 01:40 PM   #23 
        - Why not tax the wealthiest Americans? nt  ZombieHorde   Sep-12-10 01:43 PM   #26 
        - I am all for increasing the tax on the wealthiest Americans.  Ozymanithrax   Sep-12-10 02:25 PM   #52 
        - Let's do that too.  Codeine   Sep-12-10 03:38 PM   #78 
        - Cigar smokers don't generally smoke around children.  Mimosa   Sep-12-10 02:12 PM   #45 
           - So you would rather have a cheap pleasure when children go without health care?  Ozymanithrax   Sep-12-10 02:34 PM   #58 
     - Not all cigar smokers are rich  Mimosa   Sep-12-10 01:50 PM   #31 
     - no, it doesn't. & rushbo orders from cuba.  Hannah Bell   Sep-12-10 02:12 PM   #46 
     - How is that possible? Isn't that illegal?  Xenotime   Sep-12-10 06:39 PM   #105 
     - Not from Cuba  revolution breeze   Sep-12-10 07:20 PM   #112 
        - And then I went to London last September with the same friend who had the pre-Castro Montecristos.''  Hannah Bell   Sep-12-10 09:15 PM   #129 
           - Wow, I guess Finck can take down the sign in their shop  revolution breeze   Sep-13-10 06:51 AM   #137 
     - you are actually going to say it hits them equally. rush makes millions of dollars.  ejpoeta   Sep-12-10 02:55 PM   #70 
  - It is a major mistake to use sin taxes for things like childrens health care  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-12-10 02:36 PM   #59 
  - I vote we Kill Nuns and baby Ducks with a shredder to protect the children!!!  slampoet   Sep-12-10 04:56 PM   #91 
  - And if children's health is so important, then why not tax something  Kalyke   Sep-12-10 06:46 PM   #107 
  - It's a regressive tax that places undue hardship on poorer smokers. Let the rich pay for  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-12-10 07:39 PM   #113 
  - So how about we tax a product you buy all the time to pay for it?  bighart   Sep-13-10 01:25 PM   #145 
  - I hope it puts him and every smoke shop owner in America out of business then.  Chan790   Sep-12-10 01:28 PM   #4 
  - "I have no sympathy for drug pushers of any stripe"  ZombieHorde   Sep-12-10 01:31 PM   #9 
  - yup.  Chan790   Sep-12-10 01:39 PM   #18 
     - He is just jealous. nt  ZombieHorde   Sep-12-10 01:40 PM   #20 
  - This native American wishes you knew more about tobacco.  Mimosa   Sep-12-10 01:53 PM   #33 
  - Do you not drink water with meals?  uppityperson   Sep-12-10 01:58 PM   #37 
     - Fish pee in water! Haven't you heard? LOL! n/t  Mimosa   Sep-12-10 02:01 PM   #40 
     - Water?  RandiFan1290   Sep-12-10 02:03 PM   #41 
  - What's your vice?  panader0   Sep-12-10 02:08 PM   #43 
  - Recreational sex.  Chan790   Sep-12-10 02:24 PM   #51 
     - Sportfucking? Ever worry about crabs, gonorrhea, syphilis, AIDS, unwanted pregnancy?  devilgrrl   Sep-12-10 02:48 PM   #68 
        - Thank you.  Chan790   Sep-12-10 03:01 PM   #72 
  - But think of this children and their need for health care  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-12-10 02:38 PM   #60 
  - Oh, my end here is the end of tobacco usage by a substantial population portion.  Chan790   Sep-12-10 02:42 PM   #65 
     - I have no use for it either, but using sin taxes from it to fund critical programs like health care  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-12-10 02:56 PM   #71 
  - Please  robdogbucky   Sep-12-10 04:31 PM   #86 
     - Ignores a very key fact...  Chan790   Sep-12-10 05:31 PM   #93 
        - Oh Really?  robdogbucky   Sep-12-10 06:20 PM   #95 
  - "I had a smoke while I talked to him" - - You are worse than Hitler!  ZombieHorde   Sep-12-10 01:29 PM   #6 
  - It is a tax on an item, not on the poor,  Ozymanithrax   Sep-12-10 01:38 PM   #15 
     - Way more poor people are regular smokers than rich people.  ZombieHorde   Sep-12-10 01:42 PM   #25 
        - Democrats never learn.  earthside   Sep-12-10 01:53 PM   #35 
           - Earthside you are 1,000 % correct!  Mimosa   Sep-12-10 02:06 PM   #42 
           - +1000. Me too! K&R. I wish I could rec a single post  MindPilot   Sep-12-10 04:04 PM   #82 
  - "but they are now paying taxes way higher than they ever did before." - Really?  cleanhippie   Sep-12-10 01:30 PM   #8 
  - Federal sin tax.  LiberalAndProud   Sep-12-10 01:40 PM   #21 
  - Really NOT. It's a total lie.  frazzled   Sep-12-10 01:40 PM   #22 
  - Oh please. We are talking about a specific tax increase on a specifiic product.  LiberalAndProud   Sep-12-10 01:43 PM   #27 
  - The majority of smokers are lower wage earners, blue collar etc  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-12-10 02:40 PM   #62 
     - True.  LiberalAndProud   Sep-12-10 02:48 PM   #67 
     - While I understand and generally agree with you...  cleanhippie   Sep-12-10 03:21 PM   #76 
        - very very easy  LiberalAndProud   Sep-12-10 03:39 PM   #80 
           - What the moral superior here don't understand is stress...  comtec   Sep-12-10 04:31 PM   #85 
           - Actually, I was.  cleanhippie   Sep-12-10 04:55 PM   #90 
              - I'm envious. Not only were you able to quit, you remember it as easy.  LiberalAndProud   Sep-12-10 05:35 PM   #94 
                 - It was anything but easy....  cleanhippie   Sep-12-10 06:24 PM   #98 
                    - Yea.  LiberalAndProud   Sep-12-10 06:36 PM   #104 
  - NO.  Mimosa   Sep-12-10 01:57 PM   #36 
     - I don't understand. Are you implying  cleanhippie   Sep-12-10 04:52 PM   #89 
  - A 16oz bag of tobacco went from $18 to $65 - and that hit the poor the most  The Straight Story   Sep-12-10 02:49 PM   #69 
     - Ahh, a consumption tax...  cleanhippie   Sep-12-10 03:19 PM   #75 
     - And it would be easy to avoid a tax on abortion wouldn't it?  The Straight Story   Sep-12-10 05:25 PM   #92 
        - Not sure what we are in disagreement of....  cleanhippie   Sep-12-10 06:23 PM   #97 
     - It's a tax on a product, not a class of people.  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-12-10 06:29 PM   #100 
     - Before I gave up smoking for the ecig, I wound up using special cut pipe tobacco to avoid the cost.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-12-10 07:42 PM   #114 
     - An important point/ Most people make their own because they're poor.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-12-10 10:40 PM   #131 
  - this is one issue I will not back down on....  blue sky at night   Sep-12-10 01:34 PM   #11 
  - tell it to the fucking military contractors, none of which bush or obama has raised taxes on.  Hannah Bell   Sep-12-10 02:14 PM   #47 
     - i see the president is in charge of taxes....  blue sky at night   Sep-12-10 04:48 PM   #87 
        - the president "proposes," congress "disposes". i've seen no proposals for special taxes on the  Hannah Bell   Sep-12-10 09:12 PM   #128 
  - local cigar shop here is struggling with the insane taxes too. He gives me cigar boxes  KittyWampus   Sep-12-10 01:36 PM   #13 
  - Love really good cigar boxes!  Mimosa   Sep-12-10 01:59 PM   #38 
     - I turn cigar boxes into guitars and amplifier housings...  mitchum   Sep-12-10 02:18 PM   #50 
     - How cool, Mitchum!  Mimosa   Sep-12-10 02:27 PM   #53 
     - Yes indeed! I've done it :-D  KittyWampus   Sep-12-10 02:40 PM   #63 
  - Big Tax Increase  earthside   Sep-12-10 01:40 PM   #19 
  - ya man....  blue sky at night   Sep-12-10 01:48 PM   #29 
  - Some don't differentiate between federal and state taxes.  alfredo   Sep-12-10 01:41 PM   #24 
  - yeah-these tax raises have really hurt the tobacco industry  w8liftinglady   Sep-12-10 01:44 PM   #28 
  - I would like to thank the people of California for backing legislation..  Tikki   Sep-12-10 01:51 PM   #32 
  - In California you cannot smoke in a parking structure.  MindPilot   Sep-12-10 04:16 PM   #83 
  - People don't have to smoke.  The Velveteen Ocelot   Sep-12-10 01:53 PM   #34 
  - Or drink wine. Or tea. Or wear perfume. Or use fancy foods.  Mimosa   Sep-12-10 02:00 PM   #39 
  - Nobody is suggesting any such thing.  The Velveteen Ocelot   Sep-12-10 02:11 PM   #44 
     - The man in the OP owns a cigar store  Mimosa   Sep-12-10 02:15 PM   #48 
        - No more than people think it is fine to let the children of the poor and middle class go without  Ozymanithrax   Sep-12-10 02:29 PM   #55 
        - So taxing tobacco products is the only way to fund child health care in this country?  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-12-10 02:41 PM   #64 
        - Obama smokes cigarettes, Bush didn't...  Mimosa   Sep-12-10 02:39 PM   #61 
  - People don't have to have sex or abortions either, want to tax those things as well?  The Straight Story   Sep-12-10 02:17 PM   #49 
     - Tax sex? In many cases that would be a "pole tax" and is illegal. n/t  Ozymanithrax   Sep-12-10 02:28 PM   #54 
     - This is the second time you make this assertion. Whats your deal with thinking  cleanhippie   Sep-13-10 09:59 AM   #143 
  - hmm SCHIP is one of the few things Republicans did right  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-12-10 02:30 PM   #56 
  - 2009  LiberalAndProud   Sep-12-10 02:32 PM   #57 
  - Here you go  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-12-10 07:52 PM   #117 
     - The record tax increase was enacted in 2009.  LiberalAndProud   Sep-12-10 08:15 PM   #124 
        - I give up  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-12-10 08:33 PM   #126 
  - Raising taxes on those who do things we don't like - yeah, that is always good  The Straight Story   Sep-12-10 02:44 PM   #66 
     - If you can't tell...  Chan790   Sep-12-10 03:04 PM   #73 
     - Oh more Prohibition and drug war crap to make even more money for the state and does nothing  mrcheerful   Sep-12-10 03:31 PM   #77 
     - I am actually for NOT making crack tobacco  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-12-10 07:56 PM   #118 
     - Let's see: Uninsured kids on one hand, "Oppressed" Smokers on the other.  Warren DeMontague   Sep-12-10 03:39 PM   #79 
     - If dedicated taxes stop people from buying the products...  Mimosa   Sep-12-10 03:58 PM   #81 
        - I'm sorry about your mom. My dad died of lung cancer, actually.  Warren DeMontague   Sep-12-10 04:51 PM   #88 
           - I agree a bit on that.  RandomThoughts   Sep-12-10 06:22 PM   #96 
           - Have tried to see where the tabacco tax money(for children)has...  hayu_lol   Sep-12-10 06:33 PM   #102 
              - If you're going to ask a question and then answer it yourself, it's not a conversation.  Warren DeMontague   Sep-12-10 07:01 PM   #108 
     - My point is that this is a REPUBLICAN PROGRAM  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-12-10 07:51 PM   #116 
  - Again with the smoking.  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-12-10 06:27 PM   #99 
  - Again with the missing the real point, maybe because it is easier for you then dealing with the real  The Straight Story   Sep-12-10 06:43 PM   #106 
  - You can't have an abortion in most bars and restaurants, either.  Warren DeMontague   Sep-12-10 07:03 PM   #110 
  - Being told you cannot do something amongst consenting adults  The Straight Story   Sep-12-10 07:47 PM   #115 
     - I am for regulating where people can smoke in indoor public spaces.  Warren DeMontague   Sep-12-10 08:07 PM   #121 
     - Including the unlicensed practice of medicine...  LanternWaste   Sep-13-10 03:09 PM   #147 
  - You're equating smoking and abortion?  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-12-10 08:30 PM   #125 
  - Again?  Warren DeMontague   Sep-12-10 07:02 PM   #109 
     - And if that is all the argument you have, you have lost  The Straight Story   Sep-12-10 08:08 PM   #122 
        - It's the same fucking thing, over and over and over again.  Warren DeMontague   Sep-12-10 08:45 PM   #127 
  - Sorry, but it is hard to feel sorry for a guy who is peddling a drug that kills  madinmaryland   Sep-12-10 07:04 PM   #111 
  - You mean a drug like oil and exhaust fumes that many here spew out each day?  The Straight Story   Sep-12-10 08:06 PM   #120 
     - Interesting arguement though essentially irrelevant. Since everyone in  madinmaryland   Sep-12-10 09:57 PM   #130 
        - A shocking number rely on these things to get them through the day...  varelse   Sep-12-10 11:26 PM   #132 
           - I would argue a great deal of the "stress" they are relieving  Codeine   Sep-13-10 09:45 AM   #140 
           - Lots of people don't have 5 bucks a day for a pack of smokes, either. And exercise is free.  Warren DeMontague   Sep-13-10 01:01 PM   #144 
  - I too enjoy the occasional cigar. Nice and relaxing.  Fuzz   Sep-12-10 08:09 PM   #123 
  - Why should we take his word for the numbers he gave you?  HuckleB   Sep-12-10 11:44 PM   #134 
  - From what I've found, taxes went up 61 cents a pack of cigarettes, and 40 cents per cigar.  HuckleB   Sep-12-10 11:52 PM   #135 
  - I truly believe..  evrstrong   Sep-13-10 12:31 AM   #136 
  - When your buddy said, "Hell, I voted for Obama", he was lying  NNN0LHI   Sep-13-10 09:52 AM   #141 
  - I am very conflicted about this  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-13-10 09:55 AM   #142 
  - Why Do So Many Smokers Keep Paying High Tobacco Taxes?  HuckleB   Sep-13-10 02:38 PM   #146 

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