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86. Meth is really dangerous in destroying an individuals humanity
I know people that are "transients" and borderline outlaws that would go too far to protect me (multigenerational familiarity)and we were born into that situation -- live very rural in a primarily American Indian area. I pick up young hitchhikers (mostly Indians, counter-culture, or visiting backpackers) regularly the last 40 miles (thru National Forest and Indian Reservation) because I know their families/people/elders and it is best they recognize me or I can give good hints to young hikers. I do have judgement about outsiders and known problematic people. I have received gifts including a large red/black obsidian blade, a small yew wood ritual bow, and good smoke.

People aren't trash; no one asks to be born to my knowledge.

Some people are psycho-paths; the most successful psychopaths are some of the most materially blessed and socially admired and in positions of authority. I have three relatives I would put in that category.
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  -Our house was robbed and ransacked yesterday. Some thoughts: sixmile  Sep-11-10 01:44 PM   #0 
  - Having been burglarized twice, my thoughts are with you.  Brickbat   Sep-11-10 01:44 PM   #1 
  - I'm sorry!  Odin2005   Sep-11-10 01:44 PM   #2 
  - Ouch. Hope all works out. At least they left a computer.  geckosfeet   Sep-11-10 01:45 PM   #3 
  - Nope. I'm at work  sixmile   Sep-11-10 01:46 PM   #4 
     - Damn. Sorry.  geckosfeet   Sep-11-10 02:39 PM   #38 
  - easy to believe  CountAllVotes   Sep-11-10 01:48 PM   #5 
  - i'm so sorry that this happened to you.  endless october   Sep-11-10 01:51 PM   #6 
  - I'm so sorry  BanzaiBonnie   Sep-11-10 01:52 PM   #7 
  - Oh, my goodness, I'm so sorry - I had an apartment burglarized when I was 19 and  LiberalLoner   Sep-11-10 01:53 PM   #8 
  - Sorry for Your Pain....But Ask Yourself...why is there transient trash  rsmith6621   Sep-11-10 02:00 PM   #9 
  - I am sorry that happened to you, but "transient trash??"  JanMichael   Sep-11-10 02:01 PM   #10 
  - No.  sixmile   Sep-11-10 02:04 PM   #11 
  - OK, you are traumatized. But, I am pretty sure that you understand  JanMichael   Sep-11-10 02:08 PM   #12 
  - That's baloney.  Codeine   Sep-11-10 02:10 PM   #13 
  - Like I wrote, you were/ are traumatized  JanMichael   Sep-11-10 02:13 PM   #16 
  - Exactly  sandnsea   Sep-11-10 02:14 PM   #17 
  - +1  Capitalocracy   Sep-11-10 02:19 PM   #19 
  - Caveat:  Capitalocracy   Sep-11-10 02:25 PM   #24 
     - No, I don't see it as justified either.  JanMichael   Sep-11-10 02:35 PM   #33 
        - the attitudes displayed towards criminals?  backwoodsbob   Sep-11-10 02:55 PM   #51 
        - Expect to be called a gun-nut somewhere in this thread  TK421   Sep-12-10 05:23 PM   #139 
        - "attitudes expressed toward the criminals"  handmade34   Sep-11-10 05:01 PM   #96 
  - that is why he...  awoke_in_2003   Sep-12-10 05:45 PM   #153 
     - We need to help them. Their actions due to their suffering are a cry for help.  Xenotime   Sep-13-10 12:49 PM   #209 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-11-10 02:25 PM   #23 
  - Thanks, and well stated  sixmile   Sep-11-10 02:28 PM   #26 
  - Good luck to you.  woo me with science   Sep-11-10 02:31 PM   #28 
  - exactly who are you calling trash?...  awoke_in_2003   Sep-12-10 05:48 PM   #154 
  - Your post has been alerted on  JanMichael   Sep-11-10 02:33 PM   #30 
  - Shame on you. nt  woo me with science   Sep-11-10 02:35 PM   #34 
     - no, shame on you  JanMichael   Sep-11-10 02:35 PM   #35 
        - Sheesh. nt  woo me with science   Sep-11-10 02:36 PM   #36 
        - "fellow country men that are so down on their luck that they have to resort to stealing?"  Warren DeMontague   Sep-11-10 05:14 PM   #102 
  - +1  LiberalAndProud   Sep-11-10 02:37 PM   #37 
  - Yep, society. No is responsible for their own actions.  proteus_lives   Sep-11-10 04:53 PM   #94 
  - Wrong  BoneDaddy   Sep-11-10 05:21 PM   #105 
  - Or meth addiction.  Quantess   Sep-11-10 05:46 PM   #116 
  - The socioeconomic conditions would be the last thing on my mind if that were me  TK421   Sep-12-10 05:18 PM   #137 
  - So, you agree with calling a whole segment of the society by an epithet?  bobbolink   Sep-12-10 05:27 PM   #141 
     - What the ever-loving HELL are you on about? I think you responded to the wrong post!  TK421   Sep-12-10 05:30 PM   #142 
     - Were these not your words???????  bobbolink   Sep-12-10 05:43 PM   #151 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-12-10 05:52 PM   #156 
     - I'm saying NOT EVERYONE who is down on their luck would resort to this  TK421   Sep-12-10 10:11 PM   #170 
     - What is your point? Would you like to admit you think that homeless people are thieving lowlifes?  Quantess   Sep-13-10 12:44 AM   #175 
  - Get back to us when your house is robbed, okay? nt  Javaman   Sep-13-10 09:53 AM   #190 
  - Career criminals are not transients. And I'm not even talking about white-collar crims.  Joe Chi Minh   Sep-11-10 02:27 PM   #25 
  - Ever hear of the Travelers?  sixmile   Sep-11-10 02:31 PM   #27 
  - Literally, of course, you are correct about the meaning of "transience",  Joe Chi Minh   Sep-11-10 03:29 PM   #69 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-11-10 05:10 PM   #99 
  - Are you seriously Roma bashing?  uppityperson   Sep-13-10 11:56 AM   #200 
     - Why are you the only one singling out the Roma?  msanthrope   Sep-13-10 12:25 PM   #204 
        - You are right, I did single them out. OK, Traveler bashing.  uppityperson   Sep-13-10 12:29 PM   #205 
           - As I point out downthread, if you have a more politically-correct term for  msanthrope   Sep-13-10 12:43 PM   #207 
              - We've had those scammers who are just assholes, not Travelers.  uppityperson   Sep-13-10 12:48 PM   #208 
                 - Actually, the way it's been explained to me, the very nature of their  msanthrope   Sep-13-10 01:02 PM   #211 
                    - I know a lot of people who have chosen transient lifestyle who work hard where and when they chose  uppityperson   Sep-13-10 01:06 PM   #213 
                       - Right, 'cause the transients you know drive SUVs and trailers?  msanthrope   Sep-13-10 01:12 PM   #215 
                          - So you are singling out a group of people to be prejudiced against? Thanks for clarifying  uppityperson   Sep-13-10 02:02 PM   #218 
  - Oh goodie...  awoke_in_2003   Sep-12-10 05:49 PM   #155 
  - Maybe it was Tinkers.  JVS   Sep-13-10 01:42 AM   #177 
  - Isn't it comforting to see "democrats" talking the same as tea partiers?  bobbolink   Sep-13-10 09:58 AM   #191 
  - Ever hear of Gypsies? The name along implies gypping, stealing, etc. SHAME on you  uppityperson   Sep-13-10 11:56 AM   #199 
  - Gotta agree with you there. Being transient makes it hard to have the proper connections.  JVS   Sep-11-10 02:34 PM   #32 
  - and you know for CERTAIN that the people who robbed you were career criminals?  Donnachaidh   Sep-11-10 07:02 PM   #121 
  - Sorry for your loss but that's not very progressive of you.  Xenotime   Sep-13-10 12:42 PM   #206 
  - His house was cleaned out; he & his family are the victims of a crime. How easily you dismiss that.  Hekate   Sep-11-10 02:32 PM   #29 
  - Wow. It only took 7 or 8 posts into the thread, this time.  Warren DeMontague   Sep-11-10 03:16 PM   #59 
  - Really....this place makes me want to vomit sometimes n/t  TK421   Sep-12-10 05:26 PM   #140 
  - When they bust into someone's place, yeah "trash" (transient or not) is fitting. nt  SteveM   Sep-11-10 04:23 PM   #84 
  - Last time we had one of these threads, someone started quoting "Les Miserables"  Warren DeMontague   Sep-11-10 05:12 PM   #100 
  - Progressive social policies end at the smashing of my bedroom window. nt  SteveM   Sep-13-10 02:21 PM   #223 
  - Oh, I see....  bobbolink   Sep-12-10 06:35 PM   #160 
     - When you get through upchucking...  SteveM   Sep-13-10 02:20 PM   #221 
        - So, you don't see the difference between "criminals" and "transients"? What was your education?  bobbolink   Sep-13-10 03:09 PM   #224 
           - Sorry, you have failed again. And you ARE trying to get spurs...  SteveM   Sep-13-10 03:37 PM   #226 
  - Stop with the insanity  BoneDaddy   Sep-11-10 05:19 PM   #104 
  - Geeesh  Raine   Sep-11-10 05:38 PM   #110 
  - You've got to be fucking kidding me  SoxFan   Sep-11-10 09:56 PM   #128 
  - I was positive that one of the perpetually outraged would complain about the transient remark.  Renew Deal   Sep-12-10 05:33 PM   #146 
  - They are Fucking Trash, Did they just steal food or things like Computers ?  JI7   Sep-12-10 05:43 PM   #150 
  - I really can't believe what I'm reading here on this fourm...  Xenotime   Sep-13-10 12:55 PM   #210 
     - Sorry but being Progressive has never meant supporting people who steal like this, and it's not  JI7   Sep-13-10 03:36 PM   #225 
  - You don't know that any more than the OP knows that they are "transient trash."  lapislzi   Sep-13-10 09:53 AM   #189 
  - Some aren't "down on their luck,"  chrisa   Sep-13-10 12:05 PM   #203 
  - You have my sympathies, sixmile.  Codeine   Sep-11-10 02:11 PM   #14 
  - The criminals could have been anyone  sandnsea   Sep-11-10 02:12 PM   #15 
  - Transient does not mean homeless  sixmile   Sep-11-10 02:21 PM   #21 
     - Please define what you mean by "transient trash"  Gormy Cuss   Sep-11-10 02:55 PM   #52 
     - Transient and hobo are common names for the homeless.  EFerrari   Sep-11-10 05:36 PM   #109 
     - a very unfortunate choice of words  G_j   Sep-13-10 02:19 PM   #220 
  - We were once robbed while we were sleeping - I understand how you must be feeling - but  jillan   Sep-11-10 02:17 PM   #18 
  - Most burglars aren't addicts, they're pros --  Codeine   Sep-11-10 02:43 PM   #40 
  - Again with the name calling! Geez.  Xenotime   Sep-13-10 01:04 PM   #212 
  - Sorry to hear that. Been there too.  Matariki   Sep-11-10 02:20 PM   #20 
  - Similar reaction with me and my wife  Capitalocracy   Sep-11-10 02:23 PM   #22 
  - Happened to me once. Were you profiled, or was your house 'cased'?  ProgressiveEconomist   Sep-11-10 02:33 PM   #31 
  - We keep our house neat...  sixmile   Sep-11-10 02:41 PM   #39 
  - OK, you know what? We have been victims of crime too.  JanMichael   Sep-11-10 02:46 PM   #41 
  - Right and wrong do not need further labels  sixmile   Sep-11-10 02:50 PM   #46 
     - It appears that your  H2O Man   Sep-11-10 02:54 PM   #50 
     - Burglars are trash  mjane   Sep-11-10 04:20 PM   #82 
  - Most of DU isn't like that, just a few loudmouths  Codeine   Sep-11-10 02:47 PM   #42 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-11-10 02:48 PM   #43 
  - "Conservatives" my ass.  Codeine   Sep-11-10 02:51 PM   #47 
  - +1000000  woo me with science   Sep-11-10 03:05 PM   #56 
  - Damn straight, great post. n/t  msanthrope   Sep-11-10 05:06 PM   #98 
  - All conservatives on this thread, raise your hand  pintobean   Sep-11-10 03:44 PM   #73 
  - Oh, I doubt the "trash 'n gun" crowd will self identify with that label  JanMichael   Sep-11-10 03:47 PM   #74 
     - Good thing you're here  pintobean   Sep-11-10 03:51 PM   #78 
     - Aren't you just precious? nt  Codeine   Sep-11-10 03:52 PM   #79 
     - What is a "trash 'n gun" crowd?  SteveM   Sep-11-10 04:45 PM   #91 
  - I'm not sure your "conservative" label should be based on attitudes toward crims...  SteveM   Sep-11-10 04:41 PM   #90 
  - I'm right behind ya. nt  Doremus   Sep-11-10 05:34 PM   #107 
  - I never understood it either.  proteus_lives   Sep-11-10 05:03 PM   #97 
  - more-bleeding-heart-than-thou  Quantess   Sep-11-10 05:49 PM   #117 
     - Hell...they should have put out a flashing sign! I hope the burglars  TK421   Sep-12-10 06:17 PM   #158 
  - It's not the experience of being a crime victim that got the responses you don't like..  Fumesucker   Sep-11-10 02:49 PM   #45 
  - Exactly. I am sorry for being a crime victim, but "transient trash" is what gets me  uppityperson   Sep-13-10 12:03 PM   #202 
  - my friend has been robbed a few times  CountAllVotes   Sep-11-10 02:51 PM   #48 
  - I know it hurts.  tourivers83   Sep-11-10 03:02 PM   #55 
  - Well that's what I just said  sandnsea   Sep-11-10 05:43 PM   #114 
  - In Many Parts of Town  RobinA   Sep-13-10 02:15 PM   #219 
  - "the grown men riding girl's bikes up and down the street"? What?  uppityperson   Sep-13-10 12:00 PM   #201 
  - Sorry if my post somehow offended you. Certainly didn't mean to. I was  ProgressiveEconomist   Sep-11-10 03:17 PM   #61 
     - No offense taken  sixmile   Sep-11-10 03:22 PM   #64 
  - It takes a while to get over that sense of violation  Warpy   Sep-11-10 02:48 PM   #44 
  - I am just so sorry this happened to you, and even sorrier for the lack of empathy on this board.  Hekate   Sep-11-10 02:52 PM   #49 
  - I notice the lack of empathy for anyone not of a certain  TBF   Sep-11-10 02:57 PM   #53 
  - Yeah, God forbid you should have anything worth stealing.  Hekate   Sep-11-10 03:17 PM   #60 
  - That's not what I'm saying - but you know that.  TBF   Sep-11-10 04:29 PM   #88 
  - Actually, it's the automatic assumption  pipi_k   Sep-13-10 09:13 AM   #179 
  - WTF?  Binka   Sep-12-10 05:31 PM   #143 
     - So sad to be an illustration of the very thing I mentioned in post #118. You go back far enough ...  Hekate   Sep-12-10 06:01 PM   #157 
  - Seriously  JanMichael   Sep-11-10 03:20 PM   #62 
     - thank you,  TBF   Sep-11-10 04:30 PM   #89 
     - self-delete  Quantess   Sep-11-10 05:42 PM   #112 
  - Well said, Hekate. nt  Codeine   Sep-11-10 02:57 PM   #54 
  - If he had said those "transient n******"  sandnsea   Sep-11-10 05:46 PM   #115 
     - Except that he didn't say that.  Heywood J   Sep-12-10 11:03 AM   #130 
        - He used bigoted hateful language  sandnsea   Sep-12-10 09:05 PM   #163 
  - Watch out for the followup burglary - you get new stuff thru insurance, they come back  Liberal_in_LA   Sep-11-10 03:09 PM   #57 
  - Thanks  sixmile   Sep-11-10 03:13 PM   #58 
  - Keep records of the serial #'s of everything you own  mjane   Sep-11-10 04:25 PM   #85 
     - good tips  Liberal_in_LA   Sep-12-10 01:03 PM   #133 
  - The feeling of being violated was overwhelming for me.  XOKCowboy   Sep-11-10 03:22 PM   #63 
  - Glad you're okay  sixmile   Sep-11-10 03:26 PM   #65 
  - Heck I'm fine. It was a long time ago...  XOKCowboy   Sep-13-10 01:24 AM   #176 
  - One thing I've been most glad about was that I didn't have any guns  Warpy   Sep-11-10 04:28 PM   #87 
     - If you have guns, keep them locked in safes. nt  SteveM   Sep-11-10 04:49 PM   #93 
  - Been burgled twice.  The Midway Rebel   Sep-11-10 03:26 PM   #66 
  - It sucks when instruments get stolen!  Codeine   Sep-11-10 03:29 PM   #70 
  - Happened to us a couple of months ago.  Pithlet   Sep-11-10 03:26 PM   #67 
  - I'm sorry to hear that.  safeinOhio   Sep-11-10 03:27 PM   #68 
  - All great tips. Thanks  sixmile   Sep-11-10 03:31 PM   #71 
  - {{{sixmile and Mrssixmile}}}  WinkyDink   Sep-11-10 03:42 PM   #72 
  - That really sucks.  Ignis   Sep-11-10 03:47 PM   #75 
  - Happen to us last week, gone only an hour  watercolors   Sep-11-10 03:47 PM   #76 
  - There were odd things they didn't take with us, too.  Pithlet   Sep-11-10 03:54 PM   #80 
  - Much sympathy to you.  SheilaT   Sep-11-10 03:49 PM   #77 
  - "We had intended to ransack the place  Codeine   Sep-11-10 03:55 PM   #81 
     - I could only hope  SheilaT   Sep-12-10 07:02 PM   #161 
  - Please be advised. They will be back...  SteveM   Sep-11-10 04:21 PM   #83 
  - Meth is really dangerous in destroying an individuals humanity  PufPuf23   Sep-11-10 04:25 PM   #86 
  - Get ready to be victimized again by your insurance company.  AnArmyVeteran   Sep-11-10 04:46 PM   #92 
  - so sorry  handmade34   Sep-11-10 04:56 PM   #95 
  - I feel for you.  IMATB   Sep-11-10 05:13 PM   #101 
  - I feel your pain, it happened to me  Raine   Sep-11-10 05:15 PM   #103 
  - awww. Sorry u went thru that. Hope it doesn't happen again.  Liberal_in_LA   Sep-12-10 01:05 PM   #134 
  - After this happened to me, I did not replace anything that was not  Curmudgeoness   Sep-11-10 05:28 PM   #106 
  - Look at the list of crimes the Oakland police will not respond to anymore  lunatica   Sep-11-10 05:34 PM   #108 
  - What is "transient trash?" nt  LWolf   Sep-11-10 05:41 PM   #111 
  - I'm so sorry  kimi   Sep-11-10 05:42 PM   #113 
  - DU used to be a community where people actually cared if you got hurt. And if others wanted to...  Hekate   Sep-11-10 06:03 PM   #118 
  - I agree totally  Raine   Sep-11-10 06:19 PM   #119 
  - thanks for saying that  handmade34   Sep-11-10 08:14 PM   #124 
  - You've got that right.. The contrarians around here are "bountiful"  SoCalDem   Sep-11-10 08:24 PM   #125 
  - Thank you...  Hekate   Sep-11-10 09:21 PM   #127 
  - Yep. There's always at least one, every time.  Pithlet   Sep-12-10 07:09 PM   #162 
  - Well said.  Mz Pip   Sep-12-10 11:15 AM   #132 
  - Trash is indeed sometimes an appropriate description, as well as  pipi_k   Sep-12-10 05:39 PM   #148 
  - Agreed...this is not even a case where someone did something to cause  pipi_k   Sep-12-10 05:32 PM   #145 
  - Raise holy hell with your insurance company  Canuckistanian   Sep-11-10 06:44 PM   #120 
  - I'm sorry it happened...  Dappleganger   Sep-11-10 07:16 PM   #122 
  - Never Forget  howaboutme   Sep-11-10 07:41 PM   #123 
  - Sorry to hear this...  awoke_in_2003   Sep-11-10 09:03 PM   #126 
  - vibes.  applegrove   Sep-11-10 11:35 PM   #129 
  - ...and people wonder why I carry a gun and have ADT in my home.  L0oniX   Sep-12-10 11:07 AM   #131 
  - still no answer on "transient trash"?  awoke_in_2003   Sep-12-10 05:01 PM   #135 
  - I have stayed off this thread because I got lambasted  JanMichael   Sep-12-10 05:40 PM   #149 
  - You were deservedly shamed,  woo me with science   Sep-12-10 09:25 PM   #164 
     - I can't top that, but I will make a note--I am disgusted by those on this board  msanthrope   Sep-13-10 09:39 AM   #182 
     - Holy crap, that was a blistering and perfect response!  Codeine   Sep-13-10 09:49 AM   #187 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-13-10 09:29 AM   #181 
  - Maybe if you'd read the thread? Already asked and answered several times n/t  Sheepshank   Sep-13-10 10:33 AM   #195 
  - I'm homeless.. you wanna call me "transient trash" to my face?  bobbolink   Sep-12-10 05:12 PM   #136 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-13-10 09:41 AM   #183 
  - Sorry to hear about this...most important thing was nobody was hurt  TK421   Sep-12-10 05:19 PM   #138 
  - If they got past your "watch dogs" you probably know them and they have been over before  NNN0LHI   Sep-12-10 05:31 PM   #144 
  - That is why I simplified..  Roon   Sep-12-10 05:39 PM   #147 
  - Oh, you would be surprised...  pipi_k   Sep-12-10 05:44 PM   #152 
     - If someone robs me  babydollhead   Sep-12-10 06:28 PM   #159 
        - Yeah, there's this whole creep factor....  pipi_k   Sep-12-10 09:36 PM   #165 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-12-10 09:53 PM   #166 
  - By tweeker, do you mean meth-heads? or just drug addicts in general?  TK421   Sep-12-10 10:08 PM   #169 
  - Yeah, my understanding is tweekers==meth-heads.  backscatter712   Sep-12-10 10:38 PM   #171 
     - I thought it was....thanks for the clarification on that  TK421   Sep-12-10 10:45 PM   #172 
  - Awesome...  Rebubula   Sep-13-10 11:04 AM   #197 
  - I'm sorry to hear this  Vehl   Sep-12-10 09:57 PM   #167 
  - For those of you who have issues understanding the term "transient"  TK421   Sep-12-10 10:00 PM   #168 
  - In my experience, there are multiple types of "transients" or "homeless"  backscatter712   Sep-12-10 10:52 PM   #173 
     - From your post, I'm guessing your putting transients into all these descriptions?  TK421   Sep-12-10 11:05 PM   #174 
  - I hope they catch the person/people who did it. It will make you feel a little better if the  Liquorice   Sep-13-10 01:51 AM   #178 
  - Capitalism causes crime.  Joanne98   Sep-13-10 09:17 AM   #180 
  - Probably....look at what it's done  pipi_k   Sep-13-10 09:42 AM   #184 
  - Good thing nobody ever stole in a non-capitalist society. nt  Codeine   Sep-13-10 09:51 AM   #188 
  - DUZY!!! No, wait, you're serious, aren't you? n/t  msanthrope   Sep-13-10 10:08 AM   #193 
  - Capitalism IS crime. nt  valerief   Sep-13-10 01:08 PM   #214 
  - So give away all your stuff.  Warren DeMontague   Sep-13-10 01:28 PM   #216 
  - Where do you live? (I know that this happens everywhere.) Just curious. nt  raccoon   Sep-13-10 09:42 AM   #185 
  - Some thoughts on your trouble: First, be happy no one was home at the time...  old mark   Sep-13-10 09:48 AM   #186 
  - My home broken into as well, 35 years ago, and  pipi_k   Sep-13-10 10:04 AM   #192 
     - For some reason, people feel that the burglars are Robin Hoods of a sort,  old mark   Sep-13-10 11:35 AM   #198 
        - I like the people with the fantasy that they're living in Les Miserables or something.  Warren DeMontague   Sep-13-10 01:37 PM   #217 
  - I am so very sorry  Sheepshank   Sep-13-10 10:11 AM   #194 
  - I'm sorry for your troubles, sixmile.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-13-10 11:02 AM   #196 
  - I can't believe this thread is still alive (OP)  sixmile   Sep-13-10 02:21 PM   #222 
 

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