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38. That's an insult to rape victims. nt
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  -Birth Rape apples and oranges  Sep-09-10 09:42 AM   #0 
  - One word: Nonsense  sinkingfeeling   Sep-09-10 09:47 AM   #1 
  - It it absolutely NOT nonsense. Medical professionals can be very abusive to laboring  uncommon   Sep-09-10 09:50 AM   #3 
  - Medical professionals can be very abusive to many patients.  EOTE   Sep-09-10 09:53 AM   #10 
  - Actually, I would.  uncommon   Sep-09-10 09:54 AM   #12 
  - Then you are diminishing the impact of the word.  EOTE   Sep-09-10 09:59 AM   #21 
  - It may not be "rape" in the usual sense of the word, but...  pipi_k   Sep-09-10 10:43 AM   #36 
     - So where does one draw the line?  EOTE   Sep-09-10 11:15 AM   #41 
        - Actually, I never said that the process of birthing  pipi_k   Sep-09-10 05:38 PM   #128 
        - If it's done against the will of the patient, then I would call it rape.  Crunchy Frog   Sep-09-10 05:53 PM   #129 
        - My husband complains every time he has his routine prostate exam. HE considers it  CTyankee   Sep-09-10 05:59 PM   #132 
           - Pelvic during a contraction AND....  pipi_k   Sep-10-10 09:32 AM   #234 
              - had the enema with first 2. They "forgot" on the last one.  CTyankee   Sep-10-10 11:05 AM   #235 
  - in all my years, i hve never heard one woman claim an abusive feeling from doctor in delivery  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 09:59 AM   #20 
  - Well you have now --  uncommon   Sep-09-10 10:04 AM   #26 
  - ok to all of that and i am sorry about your experience. but not rape.  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 10:16 AM   #31 
  - I woke up in a teaching hospital with a crowd of students around my bed and a doctors fingers  Maru Kitteh   Sep-10-10 02:27 AM   #220 
  - And you think that is "rape"?  cleanhippie   Sep-09-10 03:05 PM   #87 
  - That sounds like a very trying experience, no question...  JuniperLea   Sep-09-10 04:32 PM   #105 
  - That is a terrible experience at the hands of an uncaring medical ....  etherealtruth   Sep-09-10 05:33 PM   #126 
  - Make that twice  lolly   Sep-09-10 06:10 PM   #137 
  - Delete  lolly   Sep-09-10 06:11 PM   #138 
  - A friend of mine had a doctor stitch up her episiotomy  undeterred   Sep-09-10 05:28 PM   #123 
     - That is sexual assault  Dorian Gray   Sep-09-10 07:16 PM   #176 
  - Being 'rough and uncaring' or not asking for permission is a far cry from rape. I remember  sinkingfeeling   Sep-09-10 09:59 AM   #23 
  - With my first  JerseygirlCT   Sep-09-10 12:53 PM   #44 
  - Isn't the first cause to protect the health and life of the patients?  CreekDog   Sep-09-10 01:47 PM   #70 
  - honestly, i would be embarrassed if they asked permission before everything they did, instead of  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 01:50 PM   #73 
  - that's not rape. it's abuse. calling it rape destroys the meaning of the language.  Hannah Bell   Sep-09-10 11:17 PM   #212 
  - Just because you say so?  Iris   Sep-09-10 01:33 PM   #58 
  - See post #23  sinkingfeeling   Sep-09-10 01:39 PM   #63 
  - I don't think this is nonsense. nt  ZombieHorde   Sep-09-10 03:13 PM   #90 
  - I agree with you on the nonsense part  Taverner   Sep-09-10 05:30 PM   #124 
  - Hence why I informed all three of my OBGYNs that it was my body,  Better Today   Sep-09-10 09:47 AM   #2 
  - Many women, especially younger women, are not so empowered.  uncommon   Sep-09-10 09:51 AM   #6 
  - Oh it goes on all the time...  snooper2   Sep-09-10 09:52 AM   # 
  - I know you're being sarcastic, but I have heard that these days doctors actually  Better Today   Sep-09-10 09:58 AM   #19 
  - Actually, the one time I refused drugs...  pipi_k   Sep-09-10 10:55 AM   #39 
  - yeah, yeah, yeah...but it isn't rape.  ourbluenation   Sep-09-10 08:51 PM   #203 
  - I think you'll see upthread...  pipi_k   Sep-10-10 09:18 AM   #232 
  - At that point, you should have given the "nurse" a piece of your  blueamy66   Sep-11-10 03:49 AM   #251 
  - Yes that kind of thing does happen.  Crunchy Frog   Sep-09-10 06:00 PM   #133 
     - you have any links to those?  KakistocracyHater   Sep-09-10 08:26 PM   #200 
        - This link describes both of those cases.  Crunchy Frog   Sep-09-10 09:36 PM   #205 
           - someone downthread DID mention that there is tension btwn mid-wives  KakistocracyHater   Sep-09-10 11:38 PM   #214 
              - It's a culture of doctors thinking they have the right to do anything they want  Crunchy Frog   Sep-10-10 08:03 AM   #228 
  - The usual suspects: the ignorant, probably the poor  lapislzi   Sep-09-10 09:57 AM   #18 
     - Obstetricians perform surgeries on laboring women FAR more than can be defended  antigone382   Sep-09-10 07:11 PM   #173 
        - It's actually closer to 33%.  Crunchy Frog   Sep-09-10 10:23 PM   #206 
           - sick...  antigone382   Sep-09-10 11:15 PM   #211 
  - the only thing that concerned my wife was getting the epidural in,  piratefish08   Sep-09-10 09:50 AM   #4 
  - Epiderals are a god-send. I liked them so much, I had a complete, full hysterectomy with  Better Today   Sep-09-10 09:53 AM   #11 
  - I wish I had known that I had a right to an epidural or a say in anything  Crystal Clarity   Sep-09-10 06:46 PM   #160 
  - i dont know, i saw epidural and came right to your post. +1. i agree. nt  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 09:56 AM   #14 
  - That's the only reason I clicked on this thread, too....no Koran burning. n/t  msanthrope   Sep-09-10 10:36 AM   #34 
  - To your last statement  Dorian Gray   Sep-09-10 02:23 PM   #77 
  - Bwah!  WinkyDink   Sep-09-10 07:14 PM   #175 
  - I also wonder then if standard check ups would be considered rape?  Better Today   Sep-09-10 09:50 AM   #5 
  - A laboring woman is not on firm footing  uncommon   Sep-09-10 09:53 AM   #9 
     - You can't just make stuff up...  snooper2   Sep-09-10 09:56 AM   #15 
     - You are incorrect --  uncommon   Sep-09-10 10:06 AM   #27 
        - I've been there as well, a few times...  snooper2   Sep-09-10 10:12 AM   #29 
        - Two of my babies were delivered by complete strangers  lolly   Sep-09-10 01:05 PM   #46 
     - That's an insult to ALL women. You're painting us as weak and stupid  DevonRex   Sep-09-10 02:37 PM   #80 
     - i didnt feel that uncommon. there is a fear in giving birth, sure. the unknown.  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 02:53 PM   #82 
     - And that is rape?  cleanhippie   Sep-09-10 03:08 PM   #88 
     - Not necessarly  lolly   Sep-09-10 06:17 PM   #140 
     - Never said that.  cleanhippie   Sep-09-10 06:52 PM   #163 
        - Several People have said that on this thread  lolly   Sep-09-10 07:22 PM   #181 
           - people have said it ISN'T rape. why the fuck  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 07:24 PM   #182 
           - But I didn't say that.  cleanhippie   Sep-09-10 11:12 PM   #209 
     - People in pain are not on "firm footing"  lolly   Sep-09-10 07:20 PM   #178 
        - Did I say that?  cleanhippie   Sep-09-10 11:14 PM   #210 
     - bull shit. speak for yourself. I was fucking FIERCE!  ourbluenation   Sep-09-10 05:59 PM   #131 
        - ya... and right as delievery was a comin, i started to feel things. ah... boys, boys, quit talkin  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 06:07 PM   #136 
           - don't know that it makes me more womanly...but yeah...  ourbluenation   Sep-09-10 06:20 PM   #141 
              - Oh, please. Not everyone has that high a sensitivity to pain. Why do you say "ugh" to her?  CTyankee   Sep-09-10 07:46 PM   #191 
              - hey... i am an admitted wuss. and i dont care if EVERYONE knows, lol. nt  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 08:01 PM   #194 
                 - high five sister!  ourbluenation   Sep-09-10 08:53 PM   #204 
              - because he or she said "women in labor are not on firm footing"...  ourbluenation   Sep-09-10 08:38 PM   #202 
                 - That's what I was responding to  lolly   Sep-09-10 11:43 PM   #215 
  - "If debates about childbirth weren't already incendiary enough"  Vinnie From Indy   Sep-09-10 09:52 AM   #7 
  - One more attack by Midwife advocates against OB/Gyn's. n/t  COLGATE4   Sep-09-10 09:52 AM   #8 
  - It wouldn't happen if so many OB/GYN's weren't acting like rapists. n/t  Crunchy Frog   Sep-09-10 06:02 PM   #134 
     - Because they all do?  Dorian Gray   Sep-09-10 07:21 PM   #179 
     - Did I say that?  Crunchy Frog   Sep-09-10 07:32 PM   #185 
        - I don't think it's as common as it used to be  lolly   Sep-09-10 07:42 PM   #188 
        - You implied it  Dorian Gray   Sep-10-10 11:53 AM   #238 
     - Wow.  Barack_America   Sep-10-10 09:23 AM   #233 
     - WOW that is one hell of a statement. (nt)  Robyn66   Sep-10-10 11:33 AM   #236 
  - The ongoing trivialization of the word "rape" helps no one  Kurt_and_Hunter   Sep-09-10 09:55 AM   #13 
  - +1 n/t  tammywammy   Sep-09-10 09:59 AM   #22 
  - agree. nt  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 10:00 AM   #24 
  - My thoughts as well (nm)  Book Lover   Sep-09-10 10:19 AM   #33 
  - +1...  SidDithers   Sep-09-10 10:45 AM   #37 
  - I agree with this nt  JerseygirlCT   Sep-09-10 12:55 PM   #45 
  - In complete agreement with you on this.  Dappleganger   Sep-09-10 01:45 PM   #68 
  - Good and succinct point.  Dorian Gray   Sep-09-10 02:25 PM   #78 
  - And of course, that's the only issue involved here, right?  lolly   Sep-09-10 07:45 PM   #190 
  - I recently had an accident and awoke to find strangers doing things to my body  NightWatcher   Sep-09-10 09:57 AM   #16 
  - Totally different.  Iris   Sep-09-10 01:44 PM   #67 
  - Hope you're ok.  Dappleganger   Sep-09-10 01:46 PM   #69 
  - my doctor was a professional, acted like one, and did his job, well. none of this  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 09:57 AM   #17 
  - My wife was "insurance raped" while on the table.  trumad   Sep-09-10 10:02 AM   #25 
  - i had nurse bob that did my epidural. LOVED the man. second, on last child had insurance  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 10:17 AM   #32 
  - Just people confused about class again  izquierdista   Sep-09-10 10:11 AM   #28 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-09-10 10:13 AM   #30 
  - We should geneticallyh engineer the human body so that birth occurs...  Ozymanithrax   Sep-09-10 10:40 AM   #35 
  - Actually I would like to see men be able to give birth...  pipi_k   Sep-09-10 10:59 AM   #40 
     - We men screw up everything we touch, and you want us to have babies?  Ozymanithrax   Sep-09-10 12:06 PM   #42 
     - I suspect we'll move beyond this whole sexual reproduction phase soon enough.  joshcryer   Sep-09-10 11:29 PM   #213 
  - That's an insult to rape victims. nt  DevonRex   Sep-09-10 10:52 AM   #38 
  - Yes.  emilyg   Sep-09-10 12:45 PM   #43 
  - I think all of DU went on a bad drug trip this week. nt  woo me with science   Sep-09-10 01:07 PM   #47 
  - My thoughts exactly.  Dr. Strange   Sep-09-10 01:22 PM   #51 
  - i am thinking this is one subject most all agree, is bullshit. nt  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 01:29 PM   #54 
  - As a rape survivor  Robyn66   Sep-09-10 01:13 PM   #48 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-09-10 01:31 PM   #55 
  - This kind of topic just burns me up!  Robyn66   Sep-09-10 01:35 PM   #60 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-09-10 01:37 PM   #61 
  - Thanks for saying that. It appears that many participating in this thread don't realize the  sinkingfeeling   Sep-09-10 01:50 PM   #72 
  - and as a rape crisis director, I thank you for saying just what I was thinking...  ourbluenation   Sep-09-10 06:07 PM   #135 
     - Really?  lolly   Sep-09-10 07:27 PM   #184 
        - because she says it isnt rape, is that not being sympathitic, or giving contempt?  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 07:34 PM   #186 
        - by throwing around the word rape for something that isn't rape you belittle actual survivors.  ourbluenation   Sep-09-10 08:31 PM   #201 
  - Seriously - you have GOT to be fucking kidding me!!  LynneSin   Sep-09-10 01:15 PM   #49 
  - +1! n/t  ceile   Sep-09-10 01:18 PM   #50 
  - Whoa!  lolly   Sep-10-10 12:01 AM   #218 
  - Exactly.  blueamy66   Sep-11-10 04:01 AM   #252 
  - It is ;NOT nonsense. I still remember the callousness  s-cubed   Sep-09-10 01:24 PM   #52 
  - lousy doctor does not = rape. nt  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 01:32 PM   #56 
  - IT may be calousness and being a bad doctor but it is NOT Rape!  Robyn66   Sep-09-10 01:32 PM   #57 
  - How can you equate 'callousness' to rape?  sinkingfeeling   Sep-09-10 01:43 PM   #65 
  - Between all the Qu'ran burning threads and now this....  revolution breeze   Sep-09-10 01:27 PM   #53 
  - i think the poster accomplished his intent with this op then revolution. i hear ya. nt  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 01:34 PM   #59 
  - Wow. There's a phrase for what happened to me?  Fleshdancer   Sep-09-10 01:38 PM   #62 
  - I am so sorry this happened to you!  Robyn66   Sep-09-10 01:43 PM   #66 
  - Thank you Robynn66. Truth be told, I was afraid I would get flamed for sharing.  Fleshdancer   Sep-09-10 03:36 PM   #95 
     - i wouldnt call it rape, either. sick, yes. and no flame, empathy, though.  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 03:59 PM   #99 
     - Thank you for telling your story  lolly   Sep-09-10 06:29 PM   #142 
        - no one.... NO ONE has said it doesnt happen. that it is not a horrible experience  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 06:38 PM   #149 
           - Yes, some are making light  lolly   Sep-09-10 06:46 PM   #158 
              - bullshit. women dont want raped to be used for a doctor doing a crappy job  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 06:48 PM   #161 
                 - That post just made my point  lolly   Sep-09-10 07:54 PM   #192 
                    - no one is saying there are not crappy doctors, that do lousy jobs one way or another. and my post  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 08:06 PM   #195 
  - What hellhole country was this in?  AngryAmish   Sep-09-10 03:10 PM   #89 
  - believe it or not, Japan  Fleshdancer   Sep-09-10 03:30 PM   #92 
     - Well, can't be worse than Northwestern memorial Hospital in Chicago  AngryAmish   Sep-09-10 03:35 PM   #94 
        - holy f*ck!  Fleshdancer   Sep-09-10 03:43 PM   #96 
        - oh, that is horrible. just horrible  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 04:01 PM   #100 
        - 8. ?  Regret My New Name   Sep-09-10 04:02 PM   #101 
  - What a horrible experience.  cleanhippie   Sep-09-10 03:34 PM   #93 
  - no. It was violent, it caused serious pain both physically and emotionally...  Fleshdancer   Sep-09-10 03:50 PM   #97 
     - And I agree with everything you just said.  cleanhippie   Sep-09-10 03:52 PM   #98 
     - thank you cleanhippie  Fleshdancer   Sep-09-10 04:19 PM   #103 
        - Or she can have the baby at home  cleanhippie   Sep-09-10 04:27 PM   #104 
           - it's interesting that you mention that....  Fleshdancer   Sep-09-10 04:45 PM   #110 
           - Its actually the safest environment  cleanhippie   Sep-09-10 04:50 PM   #115 
           - With all do respect  Robyn66   Sep-10-10 11:49 AM   #237 
              - under stress, cord wrapped around neck, needed salad spoons on my first  seabeyond   Sep-10-10 11:58 AM   #239 
     - Exactly  lolly   Sep-09-10 06:35 PM   #145 
        - i havent seen anyone compare to prostate exam. please point it out. and abuse is just that  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 06:40 PM   #152 
           - You have been trivializing the experience of women  apples and oranges   Sep-09-10 07:10 PM   #172 
              - i thought you were done with me. you lie, too. not once have i made light of experience skippy  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 07:12 PM   #174 
  - That's horrifying :(  RayOfHope   Sep-09-10 06:14 PM   #139 
  - Oh God, I'm so sorry. Such a thing should NEVER happen. How hideously cruel.  Hekate   Sep-09-10 07:04 PM   #166 
  - I think we should change our name to Duchamp Underground.  myrna minx   Sep-09-10 01:42 PM   #64 
  - Or maybe Dada Underground.  GoneOffShore   Sep-09-10 01:49 PM   #71 
     - I thought about Dada Underground as well, but this thread seems sooo specifically Duchamp to me.  myrna minx   Sep-09-10 01:53 PM   #74 
  - I'm gonna say it: this is stupid  CreekDog   Sep-09-10 02:14 PM   #75 
  - I read an article  Dorian Gray   Sep-09-10 02:18 PM   #76 
  - Not everything that's rude, unpleasant, done without consent, etc. is rape.  TwilightGardener   Sep-09-10 02:28 PM   #79 
  - We're not talking about rude or umpleasant  lolly   Sep-09-10 06:39 PM   #150 
  - No, but some things are. Especially when done without consent.  Crunchy Frog   Sep-09-10 07:04 PM   #167 
  - I appreciate the attempt but  Radical Activist   Sep-09-10 02:45 PM   #81 
  - lol  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 02:54 PM   #83 
  - We should all go to Olive Garden to discuss it... eom  JuniperLea   Sep-09-10 04:35 PM   #106 
     - Only if I don't have to hear a screaming child, see breast feeding  Radical Activist   Sep-09-10 04:37 PM   #108 
     - Deal, but you can't smoke outside the restaurant...  JuniperLea   Sep-09-10 04:46 PM   #111 
        - ??? what?  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 04:48 PM   #113 
        - Wow... did I just proposition someone on DU??!??  JuniperLea   Sep-09-10 04:51 PM   #116 
        - lol....  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 05:24 PM   #121 
        - hey wait a minute  Radical Activist   Sep-09-10 05:09 PM   #120 
           - wink  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 05:24 PM   #122 
           - And here I thought it was just about breadsticks!  JuniperLea   Sep-09-10 06:38 PM   #148 
        - What if I pledge my purity during the circumcision?  Radical Activist   Sep-09-10 05:07 PM   #119 
           - Whoa...  JuniperLea   Sep-09-10 06:40 PM   #151 
     - only if I can bring my pit bull  Fleshdancer   Sep-09-10 04:52 PM   #117 
        - I love pit bulls!  JuniperLea   Sep-09-10 06:41 PM   #154 
           - mmmm... puppy fritters at Olive Garden...  Hekate   Sep-09-10 07:08 PM   #169 
              - Hahaha!  JuniperLea   Sep-09-10 07:22 PM   #180 
                 - meh...  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 07:26 PM   #183 
                    - That always struck me as odd...  JuniperLea   Sep-09-10 07:38 PM   #187 
  - "If debates about childbirth weren't already incendiary enough"  Vickers   Sep-09-10 02:56 PM   #84 
  - Oh goody, something new to feel all "victimized" about  WolverineDG   Sep-09-10 03:02 PM   #85 
  - It's a lifestyle!  woo me with science   Sep-09-10 05:33 PM   #127 
     - it warms my heart to see your acknowledgment that majority of women call bullshit to this  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 05:56 PM   #130 
        - Seabeyond!  woo me with science   Sep-09-10 06:34 PM   #144 
           - woo me with science !!!!  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 06:43 PM   #155 
              - LOL  woo me with science   Sep-09-10 06:46 PM   #159 
                 - really. .... lol lol.  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 06:50 PM   #162 
                    - You, my dear,  woo me with science   Sep-09-10 06:54 PM   #165 
                       - .  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 07:17 PM   #177 
  - I would need to look at specific examples of what this is talking about  cleanhippie   Sep-09-10 03:04 PM   #86 
  - Wow, a trivialization of the term "rape" and an insult to Ob/Gyn docs.  Odin2005   Sep-09-10 03:16 PM   #91 
  - Then I was DENTIST-RAPED!  AnArmyVeteran   Sep-09-10 04:15 PM   #102 
  - Bad medicine, no question...  JuniperLea   Sep-09-10 04:37 PM   #107 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-09-10 04:40 PM   #109 
  - weird thread... nt  GSLevel9   Sep-09-10 04:47 PM   #112 
  - meh... it happens. i think op intentionally had a motive, adn this is a result. nt  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 04:49 PM   #114 
     - OP tossed a stink-bomb into the room, closed the door, and left in a hurry. Mission Accomplished.  Hekate   Sep-09-10 06:38 PM   #147 
     - yup. nt  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 06:44 PM   #156 
     - seabeyond, I am done talking with you.  apples and oranges   Sep-09-10 07:08 PM   #168 
  - what a crock of shyte.  ChairmanAgnostic   Sep-09-10 04:55 PM   #118 
  - Tell that to the ladies who coined the term  apples and oranges   Sep-09-10 07:08 PM   #170 
  - Sure, I'll tell them that. Right to their idiotic faces, because it IS a crock.  Redstone   Sep-09-10 07:44 PM   #189 
  - you tell them. They won't listen to reason or fact, so  ChairmanAgnostic   Sep-10-10 07:36 AM   #224 
  - Apparently, your post doesn't exist  lolly   Sep-09-10 08:00 PM   #193 
     - RAPE. we are arguing rape. do i have to talk really really slow  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 08:07 PM   #196 
        - two of your words had 3 syllables. Far too large, too  ChairmanAgnostic   Sep-10-10 07:38 AM   #227 
  - This reminds me of the nonsense word "Data Rape" from the 90's  Taverner   Sep-09-10 05:32 PM   #125 
  - Nothing but inflammatory gibberish. Gimme a fucking break.  Redstone   Sep-09-10 06:32 PM   #143 
  - yup. nt  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 06:44 PM   #157 
  - Really stretching on the "rape" part.  proteus_lives   Sep-09-10 06:37 PM   #146 
  - Did this come from 4chan?(nt)  Pavulon   Sep-09-10 06:40 PM   #153 
  - Baloney. I've delivered two  Hekate   Sep-09-10 06:54 PM   #164 
  - Probably the best thing that I've read in this Duchampian thread.  GoneOffShore   Sep-09-10 08:09 PM   #197 
     - Duchampian  seabeyond   Sep-09-10 08:17 PM   #198 
        - "DU Champion"  joshcryer   Sep-09-10 11:49 PM   #216 
        - thanks...  seabeyond   Sep-10-10 06:18 AM   #222 
           - It actually has roots in a very cruel image...  joshcryer   Sep-10-10 12:03 PM   #240 
              - ah, thanks. that is sad. why???? people are asses.  seabeyond   Sep-10-10 12:11 PM   #241 
        - Duchampian as in Duchamp - One of the Surrealists.  GoneOffShore   Sep-10-10 05:35 PM   #245 
  - I think it's a very valid term.  Crunchy Frog   Sep-09-10 07:09 PM   #171 
  - Reminds me of the time I was mistreated horribly while whine tasting at a vineyard.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-09-10 08:22 PM   #199 
  - Did they shove a wine bottle up your ass?  Crunchy Frog   Sep-09-10 10:28 PM   #207 
  - Childbirth is a violent and bloody sport  Zanzobar   Sep-09-10 10:37 PM   #208 
  - Trivializes the word "rape".  Manifestor_of_Light   Sep-09-10 11:59 PM   #217 
  - This whole thread is a trivialization of what some women go through  Crunchy Frog   Sep-10-10 08:22 AM   #230 
  - If rape is truly about power and not about sex....  moriah   Sep-10-10 12:05 AM   #219 
  - This is a quote from a response to a Salon article on the same subject.  Crunchy Frog   Sep-10-10 08:09 AM   #229 
     - Yeah, that's one I would consider "rape-like" at least.  moriah   Sep-10-10 08:31 PM   #248 
  - Wait...what?  Lucian   Sep-10-10 02:33 AM   #221 
  - I can safely say this is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.  USArmyParatrooper   Sep-10-10 06:34 AM   #223 
  - I'd agree but someone sends me Sarah tweets. . .  ChairmanAgnostic   Sep-10-10 07:37 AM   #225 
  - I'd agree but someone sends me Sarah tweets. . .  ChairmanAgnostic   Sep-10-10 07:37 AM   #226 
  - well, is rape the appropriate term if it isn't sexual?  HEyHEY   Sep-10-10 08:25 AM   #231 
  - As I said in my post, if rape is truly about power and not about sex....  moriah   Sep-10-10 10:39 PM   #249 
  - Well. There's your problem. Rape isn't sex. Rape is violence and power.  Maru Kitteh   Sep-11-10 02:19 AM   #250 
     - That may be why rape happens  HEyHEY   Sep-11-10 04:50 AM   #253 
  - I'm going to agree that this trivializes the concept and the word "rape".  Warren DeMontague   Sep-10-10 12:19 PM   #242 
  - Bad Term For A Nightmarish Problem  NashVegas   Sep-10-10 12:26 PM   #243 
  - this reminds me of Family Guy....  Green_Lantern   Sep-10-10 12:35 PM   #244 
  - As a mother of four  Madam Mossfern   Sep-10-10 06:51 PM   #246 
  - OB nurses and doctors are notorious for treating women in labor like children.  McCamy Taylor   Sep-10-10 08:21 PM   #247 
 

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