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Wed Sep-08-10 04:08 PM
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I don't know why the Rahmsian democrats think that ignoring their base and taking the less populist road is going to net them more workers. The issues of progressives (and their solutions) are the issues of America.
Early polls favored the public option very, very heavily. I do believe... yes, that would have to have included most independents too for it to be so popular. What did the party do? Ask Max Bacchus and ask the damnable DLC who went with the monied interests.
There are numerous progressive issues like this that would have been wildly popular and would have netted a good deal of positive inertia going into November.
To be fair, President Obama actually only deserves a small amount of blame, yeah he could have been more aggressive, yes he could have bully Pulpited the conservadems into action immediately after the election, and yes he could have chosen someone better than Rahm, but ultimately there are members of congress (particularly the senate) that deserve serious scorn for putting their pocketbooks before party and people.
Evan Bayh started screwing us before President Obama even took his oath of office by forming a Senate Blue Dog caucus. To my limited knowledge senate specific caucuses are sort of rare and this one was designed to undercut the move to the left that the overall post-bush progressive mood of the country voted for.
All that being said we just cant stay home and give up. In fact we should turn out absolutely everywhere we can.
If some people are angry at the absurdly right leaning bullshit tactics then reserve it only for the most extreme cases. Nothing would make 'republican revolution II' harder to spin than if we only lost in those few races where centrist-right leaning democrats were defeated. For this to work you absolutely still have to show up and vote for every other democrat on the ticket without fail. Make it very clear to the party that it is only these choices and policies and ideas that you argue with.
If you stay home then the repukes will spin this as an insurgency against liberal ideas and the surviving conservadems will crow about how they have to move even further to the right.
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| -DKos Sockpuppet BUSTED!!! |
JuniperLea |
Sep-07-10 01:04 PM |
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I seriously doubt that isn't the only paid right wing sock puppet posing |
NJmaverick |
Sep-07-10 01:06 PM |
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FDL is crap |
JuniperLea |
Sep-07-10 01:17 PM |
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when the Hamster smiles her shit eating grin when saying the Democrats are losing popularity |
Whisp |
Sep-07-10 08:06 PM |
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No way that's the only gop operative on a liberal |
Cha |
Sep-07-10 01:27 PM |
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Could that statement be more ridiculous? |
aquart |
Sep-07-10 01:50 PM |
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Well considering that FDL came up with the "cat food commission" which |
NJmaverick |
Sep-07-10 01:56 PM |
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Please elaborate |
robdogbucky |
Sep-07-10 02:48 PM |
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FDL acts EXACTLY the same way and is just as destructive as the GOP operative at Daily Kos |
NJmaverick |
Sep-07-10 02:54 PM |
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Well, wait |
robdogbucky |
Sep-07-10 03:19 PM |
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I'm still waiting..... |
robdogbucky |
Sep-07-10 03:46 PM |
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Nonsensical |
whatchamacallit |
Sep-07-10 02:54 PM |
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Ever heard of a "concern troll?" |
JuniperLea |
Sep-07-10 02:55 PM |
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The GOP is known for dishonest descriptions like "death panels" so |
NJmaverick |
Sep-07-10 02:56 PM |
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The maverick doth protest too much, methinks |
whatchamacallit |
Sep-07-10 03:04 PM |
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????? Please explain |
NJmaverick |
Sep-07-10 03:06 PM |
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You just seem really wound up |
whatchamacallit |
Sep-07-10 03:07 PM |
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Which topic is that? |
Warren DeMontague |
Sep-08-10 04:02 AM |
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It's not about the disingenuous meme of "marching in lockstep".. |
Cha |
Sep-07-10 03:15 PM |
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Very true |
NJmaverick |
Sep-07-10 05:32 PM |
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That's delusional |
Dems2002 |
Sep-07-10 06:09 PM |
#130 |
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Is that a Kool Aid mustache I see? |
JuniperLea |
Sep-07-10 07:58 PM |
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huh? |
Dems2002 |
Sep-08-10 03:45 AM |
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Seemed far more valid than yours, quite frankly... eom |
JuniperLea |
Sep-08-10 12:32 PM |
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Trolls? On an internet message board? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Sep-07-10 01:06 PM |
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LOL |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Sep-07-10 01:13 PM |
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Shocking, I know! |
JuniperLea |
Sep-07-10 01:17 PM |
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stepping on them is even more fun |
DBoon |
Sep-07-10 01:32 PM |
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(lol) |
leftstreet |
Sep-07-10 01:09 PM |
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I wonder if Kubica has a DU account as well? |
Quantess |
Sep-07-10 01:15 PM |
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I wouldn't be surprised. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Sep-07-10 01:17 PM |
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PM me with your list |
devilgrrl |
Sep-07-10 08:36 PM |
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That's a very good question |
NJmaverick |
Sep-07-10 01:36 PM |
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I have no doubt he has at LEAST one. nt |
johnaries |
Sep-07-10 02:29 PM |
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Not uncommon |
gratuitous |
Sep-07-10 01:15 PM |
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"awesome persuasive power of your argument" |
JuniperLea |
Sep-07-10 01:19 PM |
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+1 |
devilgrrl |
Sep-07-10 08:39 PM |
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We've known they were crawling all over liberal sites, and they're reasonably organized. (nt) |
Tarheel_Dem |
Sep-07-10 01:17 PM |
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Sure we have... |
JuniperLea |
Sep-07-10 01:20 PM |
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It's usually not too easy to expose them, though. |
MineralMan |
Sep-07-10 01:23 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-07-10 02:36 PM |
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What's really sad is that FDL is an intersection that brings all these idiots together. |
Tarheel_Dem |
Sep-07-10 01:30 PM |
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Tribal Bigotry 101 |
JuniperLea |
Sep-07-10 02:43 PM |
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I'm not at all surprised. |
MineralMan |
Sep-07-10 01:19 PM |
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I feel the same way about "prominent shit-stirrers" who spent years and 1000s of posts at right-wing... |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Sep-07-10 01:50 PM |
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You misspelled websites. |
MineralMan |
Sep-07-10 02:06 PM |
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Your compassion for the right wingnuts is duly noted |
NJmaverick |
Sep-07-10 02:27 PM |
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+1 |
LostinVA |
Sep-07-10 02:47 PM |
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See post #48 and the subthread below it. |
MineralMan |
Sep-07-10 03:17 PM |
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Just because a politician puts a "D" after his name doesn't necessarily make him a Democrat |
NorthCarolina |
Sep-08-10 12:34 PM |
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Completely unrelated, but did you ever notice that in undercover cop movies.... |
Junkdrawer |
Sep-07-10 01:22 PM |
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Sometimes... |
kenfrequed |
Sep-07-10 01:48 PM |
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another G. Gordon Liddy spawn |
Swamp Rat |
Sep-07-10 01:22 PM |
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Wow...right wing operatives posing as "far left" with the goal of dampening enthusiasm |
alcibiades_mystery |
Sep-07-10 01:30 PM |
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yes it does |
NJmaverick |
Sep-07-10 01:36 PM |
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Indeed. Where have I heard that exact language before? |
MineralMan |
Sep-07-10 01:39 PM |
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So now all critics of Dems/Obama are sockpuppets working for the other side? n/t |
Subdivisions |
Sep-07-10 01:43 PM |
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You tell me |
alcibiades_mystery |
Sep-07-10 01:48 PM |
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My keyboard & monitor hate you! |
Tarheel_Dem |
Sep-07-10 01:58 PM |
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So, you think I'm a sock puppet? Please make your case. n/t |
Subdivisions |
Sep-07-10 02:18 PM |
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I don't believe any such suggestion was made. |
MineralMan |
Sep-07-10 02:23 PM |
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Yes it was: |
Subdivisions |
Sep-07-10 02:27 PM |
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How does that imply anything about you? |
MineralMan |
Sep-07-10 02:35 PM |
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I think, perhaps, you've confused me with someone else? Is this what |
Tarheel_Dem |
Sep-07-10 02:30 PM |
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What is that supposed to mean? Are you implying that I am a sockpuppet ? |
Subdivisions |
Sep-07-10 02:16 PM |
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Goodness. I don't believe anyone implied any such thing. |
MineralMan |
Sep-07-10 02:23 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Sep-07-10 02:25 PM |
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Whether you're a counterfeit or the authentic item is of no interest to me |
alcibiades_mystery |
Sep-07-10 02:48 PM |
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fail. |
Whisp |
Sep-07-10 08:16 PM |
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I don't think anyone said that. In fact, I'm quite sure nobody |
MineralMan |
Sep-07-10 02:04 PM |
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Why is that odd? What are you implying? n/t |
Subdivisions |
Sep-07-10 02:22 PM |
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I don't imply things. I thought it was odd that you interpreted what |
MineralMan |
Sep-07-10 02:26 PM |
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Not at all. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Sep-07-10 02:06 PM |
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Dumb? This coming from someone who spells "too" as "to"... |
Subdivisions |
Sep-07-10 02:23 PM |
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Meh, minor spelling errors are minor. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Sep-07-10 02:52 PM |
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No, I'm not mad. I was just ribbing you. n/t |
Subdivisions |
Sep-07-10 02:54 PM |
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Funny, on a different forum where both Democrats and Republicans post, I've never |
suzie |
Sep-07-10 02:58 PM |
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. n/t |
Subdivisions |
Sep-07-10 03:03 PM |
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LOL |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Sep-07-10 03:21 PM |
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It is all through this thread and the other one |
LostinVA |
Sep-07-10 02:48 PM |
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And, suspiciously, using rethug tactics at that. n/t |
Subdivisions |
Sep-07-10 02:52 PM |
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ROFL |
alcibiades_mystery |
Sep-07-10 02:57 PM |
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"a blatant call out" |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Sep-07-10 03:05 PM |
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! |
Bobbie Jo |
Sep-07-10 03:21 PM |
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BRO FIST |
LoZoccolo |
Sep-07-10 03:28 PM |
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... |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Sep-07-10 03:36 PM |
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Dammit. There goes my second keyboard. |
Tarheel_Dem |
Sep-07-10 04:04 PM |
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Pull back! Pull back! You're KILLING them!!!! |
Number23 |
Sep-07-10 08:00 PM |
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Hahaha! |
JuniperLea |
Sep-07-10 08:00 PM |
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If there's a call out, alert on it. That's simple enough. |
MineralMan |
Sep-07-10 03:19 PM |
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Don't lecture me on the DU rules |
LostinVA |
Sep-07-10 03:24 PM |
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Is that an order? Really? |
MineralMan |
Sep-07-10 03:39 PM |
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I bet Sarah does some smashing one sentence lectures. |
Whisp |
Sep-07-10 08:19 PM |
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Oh the irony! |
JuniperLea |
Sep-07-10 08:03 PM |
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Why would you make that conclusion? nt |
blondeatlast |
Sep-07-10 07:54 PM |
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Right... |
kenfrequed |
Sep-07-10 01:54 PM |
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If the "issues over personality progressives" don't see that they've helped.. |
Tarheel_Dem |
Sep-07-10 02:28 PM |
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Unless progressive cause some pain for not being offered a seat at the table .... |
GOTV |
Sep-07-10 02:36 PM |
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The problem is, there aren't enough self professed "progressives" to make the.. |
Tarheel_Dem |
Sep-07-10 03:00 PM |
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Then it doesn't matter if "progressives" show up at the polls, does it? |
Fumesucker |
Sep-07-10 03:06 PM |
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Weren't we talking about trolls? I'm sure that term doesn't apply to you. Right? (nt) |
Tarheel_Dem |
Sep-07-10 03:25 PM |
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I saw the term "progressives" in your post.. |
Fumesucker |
Sep-07-10 03:32 PM |
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If I wasn't clear, I apologize. Let me clarify; for Dems to be victorious... |
Tarheel_Dem |
Sep-07-10 03:50 PM |
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Pragmatism does not equal centrism. |
Fumesucker |
Sep-07-10 03:57 PM |
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Elections are won in the middle. That's just a fact. Personally, you guys |
Tarheel_Dem |
Sep-07-10 04:37 PM |
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If it was a hijack it was yours not mine.. |
Fumesucker |
Sep-07-10 04:40 PM |
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..... |
Tarheel_Dem |
Sep-07-10 04:48 PM |
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Politics is the art of compromise. If you can't compromise with an essential sub group, you lose. |
GOTV |
Sep-07-10 08:25 PM |
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Well... |
kenfrequed |
Sep-08-10 01:34 PM |
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+1 |
DCBob |
Sep-07-10 08:38 PM |
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Great! Then you have nothing to fear from them and their concerns can continue to be dismissed |
GOTV |
Sep-07-10 03:07 PM |
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Oh, they can definitely cause harm, if that's their intent. And at this point, |
Tarheel_Dem |
Sep-07-10 03:36 PM |
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If they can do some damage, and the Dems will not listen otherwise, what choice do they have? |
GOTV |
Sep-07-10 04:08 PM |
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That is exactly the plan Ralph Nader proposed in 2000. And as THD said, it |
tblue37 |
Sep-07-10 04:56 PM |
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And has voting for Dems ended 2 wars? Have too big to fail banks gotten smaller? |
GOTV |
Sep-07-10 08:14 PM |
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I *am* a progressive. In fact, I am a socialist. But when the rubber hits the road, I cannot bear |
tblue37 |
Sep-07-10 10:43 PM |
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I agree |
kenfrequed |
Sep-08-10 04:08 PM |
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Way to project an argument I didn't suggest onto my post in order to put make up on a straw man! |
kenfrequed |
Sep-07-10 04:04 PM |
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almost like a cutting and pasting from a script... |
Blue_Tires |
Sep-07-10 04:02 PM |
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"Does that come out of the training sessions, because it sounds pretty rote, in my experience." |
mzmolly |
Sep-07-10 09:08 PM |
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Yep, they've the workshop talking points down! |
JNelson6563 |
Sep-08-10 07:11 AM |
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Perhaps DU admin could contact DKOS to obtain Kubica's IP address. |
Gold Metal Flake |
Sep-07-10 01:38 PM |
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Very good idea |
NJmaverick |
Sep-07-10 01:38 PM |
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That's a very good idea, although DKOS might not give it. |
MineralMan |
Sep-07-10 01:42 PM |
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Good idea... |
JuniperLea |
Sep-07-10 02:33 PM |
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Too bad this must be a part of internet discussions... |
kristopher |
Sep-07-10 01:45 PM |
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Balanced by the tea party being comprised of far left performance artists. |
Matariki |
Sep-07-10 01:54 PM |
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That was my theory on Ann Coulter. |
glitch |
Sep-07-10 06:21 PM |
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Hmm... |
kenfrequed |
Sep-08-10 04:38 PM |
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It's everywhere! You can tell who the sock puppets are cause they're always saying |
Joanne98 |
Sep-07-10 01:58 PM |
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Absolute Genius!!!! Pure Genius!!! Amazing!!! Whoda Thunk It!!! |
Beetwasher |
Sep-07-10 02:08 PM |
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We should definitely ban ALL paid staffers from posting here. |
Ignis |
Sep-07-10 02:39 PM |
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You think we have some GOP staffers here at DU? |
NJmaverick |
Sep-07-10 02:41 PM |
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I can't disagree with you, or my post will be deleted--but where did I said "GOP?" |
Ignis |
Sep-07-10 02:56 PM |
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Paid staffers of what? If you're talking about the GOP or other |
MineralMan |
Sep-07-10 02:43 PM |
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Why limit yourself to RWers? Any paid staffers should have to disclose. |
Ignis |
Sep-07-10 02:56 PM |
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What about volunteer Democratic staffers should they also have to report to you? |
NJmaverick |
Sep-07-10 03:01 PM |
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No, they should voluntarily disclose their association. |
Ignis |
Sep-07-10 03:34 PM |
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I would venture to say half the people on DU have been volunteers for various campaigns |
NJmaverick |
Sep-07-10 04:16 PM |
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Nifty. And the point of this tangent is ... what, exactly? |
Ignis |
Sep-07-10 04:50 PM |
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It doesn't seem all that unreasonable, although why stop there? |
NJmaverick |
Sep-07-10 05:43 PM |
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I couldn't agree more. |
Ignis |
Sep-08-10 11:58 AM |
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Well, I'd agree with that, for sure. |
MineralMan |
Sep-07-10 03:21 PM |
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I'm glad to hear that we agree on this issue. |
Ignis |
Sep-07-10 03:37 PM |
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Why would we not agree? Paid bloggers should always disclose |
MineralMan |
Sep-07-10 03:43 PM |
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They should, but it's not required here at DU. |
Ignis |
Sep-07-10 03:55 PM |
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I consider it an ethical thing to do. If I have an economic interest |
MineralMan |
Sep-07-10 04:02 PM |
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Why does this surprise people? There are liberals and repukes |
Rex |
Sep-07-10 02:45 PM |
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You would not believe the extra income it brings in |
snooper2 |
Sep-07-10 02:52 PM |
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Do tell. |
Rex |
Sep-07-10 03:01 PM |
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oh no, I'm a UAW NRA UNICEF member of all.. |
snooper2 |
Sep-07-10 08:35 PM |
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Even the irony challenged should be able to understand the word after this thread. |
Stinky The Clown |
Sep-07-10 03:56 PM |
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Indeed. As I said.... |
Junkdrawer |
Sep-07-10 04:04 PM |
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:snort: |
Stinky The Clown |
Sep-07-10 04:17 PM |
#119 |
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+1 |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Sep-07-10 04:36 PM |
#120 |
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it's called cover your ass by disruption. |
unapatriciated |
Sep-08-10 04:44 PM |
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+2 nt |
laughingliberal |
Sep-09-10 01:27 AM |
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what exactly are you saying? |
NJmaverick |
Sep-07-10 09:08 PM |
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When the green simplicity buys a new Camaro, how long will it last to derive a ...... |
Stinky The Clown |
Sep-07-10 09:29 PM |
#150 |
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Oh, oh, I know the answer to that! |
pecwae |
Sep-08-10 07:11 AM |
#155 |
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Not surprising...Kos had a bunch of (open) Ron Paul fans during the primaries |
Blue_Tires |
Sep-07-10 03:59 PM |
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I wish some of DU sockies would get exposed. |
JNelson6563 |
Sep-07-10 04:59 PM |
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+1000 |
Tarheel_Dem |
Sep-07-10 05:58 PM |
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yup |
JI7 |
Sep-08-10 12:42 AM |
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+ infinity |
NJmaverick |
Sep-08-10 08:05 AM |
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Yeah, me too. |
Forkboy |
Sep-08-10 04:24 PM |
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Please, Please, Please, Please, Please Lord. |
Warren DeMontague |
Sep-09-10 01:23 AM |
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+1 for not including a pointless swipe at DUer's like that other |
DirkGently |
Sep-07-10 07:37 PM |
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+1 |
G_j |
Sep-07-10 08:21 PM |
#142 |
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+2 nt |
laughingliberal |
Sep-09-10 01:28 AM |
#169 |
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K & R |
Scurrilous |
Sep-08-10 09:52 AM |
#158 |