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Sun May-20-07 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #159 |
| 163. Try Some Ben Gay On That Strain |
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Interpreting my comments to claim that I'm convinced you're breaking the law---that's a helluva stretch; must really hurt.
The last time I noticed, you and I were disembodied voices on an internet chat site. I'm in no more of a position to accuse you of personally being a law breaker than you are of me. My comments about the lawless tendencies of the gun rights movement were just that---comments about the movement in general. I stand by those comments, because there's lots of evidence of those tendencies, both here in DU and numerous other net sites and publications. You may not be a law breaker, but the company you're keeping isn't very flattering...
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| -To prevent harm or even death is it all or nothing in the gun debate? |
Union Label |
May-17-07 12:11 PM |
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I won't be much help here but I think the 2nd amendment should |
BOSSHOG |
May-17-07 12:21 PM |
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So did you take your snarkey pills this morning? |
Union Label |
May-17-07 12:30 PM |
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I think you are being too anti-gun here |
unpossibles |
May-17-07 12:31 PM |
#4 |
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I'm sorry |
BOSSHOG |
May-17-07 12:33 PM |
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absolutely, and only the wishy-washy say nay |
iverglas |
May-18-07 01:06 PM |
#39 |
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Ah, the smell of straw on a warm sunny spring day |
krispos42 |
May-17-07 02:14 PM |
#14 |
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Don't worry, it's coming! |
SteveM |
May-17-07 02:41 PM |
#21 |
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I've got my preemptive response... |
krispos42 |
May-17-07 02:50 PM |
#23 |
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That magazine! Ummm, so well-hung for a fossil. |
SteveM |
May-17-07 03:23 PM |
#29 |
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Oh I see |
BOSSHOG |
May-17-07 03:22 PM |
#28 |
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Like he said...Strawman... |
beevul |
May-18-07 01:36 PM |
#43 |
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Schools are arming nobody |
krispos42 |
May-18-07 03:42 PM |
#65 |
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Bosshog... |
Madspirit |
May-18-07 10:03 PM |
#115 |
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An inconvenient externality |
dave_p |
May-17-07 12:29 PM |
#2 |
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Gun manufacturing may be killing the Earth |
wuushew |
May-17-07 12:35 PM |
#6 |
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Then you'd better kill me now then, in global self-defense |
krispos42 |
May-17-07 02:32 PM |
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I'm not a hypocrite, we need less of everything (including guns) |
wuushew |
May-17-07 03:35 PM |
#30 |
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Most bullets are copper-cased lead |
krispos42 |
May-18-07 03:56 AM |
#32 |
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On military ranges E3s dig the rounds out of the berm |
dmesg |
May-18-07 12:40 PM |
#37 |
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Use joules...the energy expended is minuscule. |
benEzra |
May-18-07 10:34 AM |
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Sophistry is alive and well at Stanford |
slackmaster |
May-17-07 12:40 PM |
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I'm getting pretty goddamn sick of people saying we want everyone to be armed. |
karlrschneider |
May-17-07 12:45 PM |
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I don't blame you |
merh |
May-17-07 12:52 PM |
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I think some people in the middle don't realize the impact of some gun-control proposals. |
benEzra |
May-18-07 10:44 AM |
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Sorry, you don't need an assault rifle to exercise your right to |
merh |
May-18-07 01:26 PM |
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What does an assault rifle have to do with a ban on assault weapons? |
beevul |
May-18-07 01:41 PM |
#45 |
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exactly - lawfully owned guns can kill well armed and protected |
merh |
May-18-07 02:32 PM |
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This is the dishonesty I mentioned (not your dishonesty; lawmakers' dishonesty) |
dmesg |
May-18-07 01:45 PM |
#46 |
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Nothing dishonest about it, except for your implication that a banning |
merh |
May-18-07 02:43 PM |
#53 |
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Thank you for finally getting concrete |
dmesg |
May-18-07 03:15 PM |
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I've been honest from the start, it is you that hasn't. |
merh |
May-18-07 03:41 PM |
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What you're calling "regulation," WE call "confiscation" |
derby378 |
May-18-07 03:44 PM |
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And you are wrong in using that term, thus you are being dishonest. |
merh |
May-18-07 03:46 PM |
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Then prove me wrong |
derby378 |
May-18-07 03:48 PM |
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How about the words from the SCOTUS opinion on the |
merh |
May-18-07 04:08 PM |
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Are you really sure Miller is a decision you want to lean on? |
beevul |
May-18-07 04:22 PM |
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No more than I want them running around with nuclear weapons, |
merh |
May-18-07 04:26 PM |
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Nor would I. |
beevul |
May-18-07 04:47 PM |
#89 |
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LOL, I think its funny that losing the access to assault weapons |
merh |
May-18-07 05:02 PM |
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It upsets people, because theres no good reason for it. |
beevul |
May-18-07 05:13 PM |
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A ban on books the Moral Majority disapproves of would bother me, too... |
benEzra |
May-18-07 06:01 PM |
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The Next Time Somebody Uses A Book Or A Volvo...... |
Paladin |
May-18-07 09:24 PM |
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Guess what? I'm not in the Gungeon, either... |
derby378 |
May-18-07 10:32 PM |
#117 |
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Time and History Are Most Assuredly NOT On Your Side |
Paladin |
May-19-07 09:27 AM |
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*sigh* |
derby378 |
May-19-07 10:09 PM |
#159 |
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Try Some Ben Gay On That Strain |
Paladin |
May-20-07 01:06 PM |
#163 |
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I hate to kick the stupid thing too |
iverglas |
May-20-07 12:44 PM |
#161 |
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Don't Take It Personally, Iverglass |
Paladin |
May-20-07 04:39 PM |
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oh, I didn't ;) |
iverglas |
May-20-07 05:06 PM |
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The ADL would care to differ, I'd bet. |
piedmont |
May-19-07 01:42 AM |
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ADL Personnel Can Read Crime Stats, Just As I Can |
Paladin |
May-19-07 09:00 AM |
#137 |
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Books don't kill, people do. |
merh |
May-19-07 01:15 AM |
#121 |
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I think the Anti-Defamation League might disagree with you |
piedmont |
May-19-07 01:43 AM |
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you know, you are right. |
merh |
May-19-07 01:49 AM |
#124 |
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Not so good with analogies, are we? |
benEzra |
May-19-07 06:12 AM |
#132 |
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Not a bad analogy |
merh |
May-19-07 08:47 AM |
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As you well know, AUTOMATIC WEAPONS ARE ALREADY RESTRICTED |
benEzra |
May-19-07 02:32 PM |
#153 |
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I don't give a rat's ass |
merh |
May-19-07 02:34 PM |
#154 |
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If you can't address the argument, attack the arguer... |
benEzra |
May-19-07 02:47 PM |
#157 |
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Seriously, what is your issue here? |
dmesg |
May-19-07 08:52 PM |
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I hate to kick this stupid thread again, but I have to in order to |
merh |
May-19-07 11:34 PM |
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Explain that... |
beevul |
May-19-07 02:36 PM |
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So would a ban on books the Moral Majority approves of n/t |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 01:42 PM |
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If your only point is that "gun ownership can be regulated" in harmony with the Constitution... |
derby378 |
May-18-07 04:55 PM |
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The simplicity of the 2nd amendment is lost on you, isn't it. |
merh |
May-18-07 04:59 PM |
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That's what we've been saying all along... |
derby378 |
May-18-07 10:28 PM |
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Yes, gun ownership can be regulated |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 02:28 AM |
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And that, incidentally, becomes a question of fact |
dmesg |
May-18-07 04:51 PM |
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Not really, and you don't want to go there. |
merh |
May-18-07 05:50 PM |
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You can speak freely on even-numbered Tuesdays |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 02:17 AM |
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Count me, then, as one of the VERY few |
derby378 |
May-18-07 03:41 PM |
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Define 'assault rifle' |
EstimatedProphet |
May-18-07 01:48 PM |
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It goes beyond that. |
beevul |
May-18-07 01:59 PM |
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No it hasn't the language is quite clear. |
merh |
May-18-07 02:48 PM |
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Clear as mud. |
beevul |
May-18-07 04:05 PM |
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lol, I am aware of what is on the list of weapons and I don't need your |
merh |
May-18-07 04:12 PM |
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Are you? |
beevul |
May-18-07 04:35 PM |
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OMG talk about your strawman |
merh |
May-18-07 05:35 PM |
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The point is how bans are recieved by the people they effect. |
beevul |
May-18-07 05:44 PM |
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No, that is no point and not anywhere near making sense. |
merh |
May-18-07 05:48 PM |
#104 |
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Well...you can say its not a point... |
beevul |
May-18-07 06:11 PM |
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It isn't the same damn thing. A woman's body, her living being |
merh |
May-18-07 06:25 PM |
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You're right. It isn't the same damn thing. |
beevul |
May-18-07 07:01 PM |
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The rights a woman has to her body doesn't require an amendment |
merh |
May-18-07 10:58 PM |
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You just don't get it. |
beevul |
May-18-07 11:34 PM |
#119 |
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No, you don't get it. |
merh |
May-18-07 11:43 PM |
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Apparently it does |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 02:55 AM |
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Tell you what, you start a thread comparing the movement to |
merh |
May-19-07 08:50 AM |
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Again, the automatic weapon thing |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 10:14 AM |
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LOL |
merh |
May-19-07 10:35 AM |
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Click the link in my previous post |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 11:52 AM |
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good for you, you actually were goofy enough to post that |
merh |
May-19-07 12:43 PM |
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I don't have to |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 01:23 PM |
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Wrong |
merh |
May-19-07 01:30 PM |
#145 |
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They are doing it based on the 'other' body in her body |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 01:40 PM |
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well tell you what anti-freeper person |
merh |
May-19-07 01:45 PM |
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Name removed |
May-19-07 01:53 PM |
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I'm not pro-freeper, I don't believe your's or their stupid agrumentsd |
merh |
May-19-07 02:05 PM |
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Yet you use their argument |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 02:26 PM |
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Nope, my argument is common sense and is limited to the |
merh |
May-19-07 02:31 PM |
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Heh heh, 'common sense' |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 02:43 PM |
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The arguments are similar |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 02:52 AM |
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Umm...H.R.1022 bans the most popular civilian target rifle BY NAME... |
benEzra |
May-18-07 04:59 PM |
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You apparently don't know even the basics of this debate. |
piedmont |
May-19-07 01:56 AM |
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And where is hunting in the 2nd Amendment? |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 02:43 AM |
#128 |
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oh go back to the gun forum and piss and moan there |
merh |
May-19-07 08:52 AM |
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That's true, and I wasn't careful in how I worded it either |
EstimatedProphet |
May-18-07 08:54 PM |
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To be frank, we've earned that reputation as a party |
dmesg |
May-18-07 12:46 PM |
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Banning popular weapons does not equate to a violation of the |
merh |
May-18-07 01:28 PM |
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I don't doubt the power to regulate |
dmesg |
May-18-07 01:40 PM |
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Thats debatable. |
beevul |
May-18-07 01:51 PM |
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Not it is not debatable, it is fact. |
merh |
May-18-07 02:33 PM |
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Saying so does not make it so. |
beevul |
May-18-07 03:05 PM |
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What part of the 2nd amendment forbides the regulation of weapons? |
merh |
May-18-07 03:38 PM |
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No gun discussion is complete without the nuclear strawman... |
beevul |
May-18-07 04:14 PM |
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It is not a strawman, a nuclear weapon is an "arm" - it is a weapon |
merh |
May-18-07 04:23 PM |
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Where do you get the idea that we think any regulation is unconstitutional? |
dmesg |
May-18-07 04:47 PM |
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Not that I have read. |
merh |
May-18-07 04:54 PM |
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That's different |
dmesg |
May-18-07 05:04 PM |
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it is not our parties fault |
merh |
May-18-07 05:37 PM |
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Gun regulations are also not the same thing as gun BANS. |
beevul |
May-18-07 05:56 PM |
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Wrong, but you go right ahead and try to convince folks of your lies. |
merh |
May-18-07 06:24 PM |
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What lies? |
beevul |
May-18-07 09:56 PM |
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Red herring...that question was settled by COMPROMISE 73 years ago. |
benEzra |
May-19-07 06:26 AM |
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The Second Amendment debate is generally about small arms... |
beevul |
May-18-07 05:03 PM |
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And I want to add something |
dmesg |
May-18-07 02:06 PM |
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You are condescending to me, so why not expect it back. |
merh |
May-18-07 02:51 PM |
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Condescending would be... |
dmesg |
May-18-07 03:26 PM |
#60 |
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It's not my place to tell you about your purdy guns |
merh |
May-18-07 03:48 PM |
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Delete -- net gremlins |
dmesg |
May-18-07 04:40 PM |
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Huh? |
dmesg |
May-18-07 04:42 PM |
#86 |
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I could care less what you think of the AWB |
merh |
May-18-07 05:47 PM |
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What a ridiculous argument |
BaronBootRag |
May-19-07 04:29 AM |
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For heaven's sake... |
dmesg |
May-20-07 02:08 PM |
#164 |
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I'm not allowed on any "pro Bush" board I've ever visited |
dmesg |
May-18-07 04:45 PM |
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Well, I do understand that, I get banned too from boards with |
merh |
May-18-07 05:04 PM |
#98 |
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Yes. What happened to choice? |
krispos42 |
May-17-07 02:36 PM |
#20 |
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You are right. I can sell my gun to the guy sitting next to me anytime we agree to a price. |
Sapere aude |
May-17-07 02:33 PM |
#19 |
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Total disarmament in this country is about as likely as me getting elected Pope. |
karlrschneider |
May-17-07 12:43 PM |
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All citizens should be armed...with a bag of marshmallows. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
May-17-07 12:46 PM |
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If you arm everyone with bags of marshmallows |
slackmaster |
May-17-07 12:52 PM |
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Only if one makes shaky assumptions, like this piece did. |
damntexdem |
May-17-07 02:10 PM |
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"No guns, no crime" bull |
krispos42 |
May-17-07 02:24 PM |
#15 |
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Your observations do not connect |
Az |
May-17-07 02:45 PM |
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That was not my argument |
krispos42 |
May-17-07 02:53 PM |
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See post #26 below. "Suggestive" is often post hoc, ergo propter hoc (nt) |
SteveM |
May-17-07 03:18 PM |
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Until you look at comparisons *WITHIN* the United States... |
benEzra |
May-18-07 10:53 AM |
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Comparing gun crime to knife crime is ludicrous |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-17-07 03:01 PM |
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I'm trying to lower the number of dead bodies |
krispos42 |
May-18-07 04:09 AM |
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But those extra people killed by knives aren't as dead as the people killed by guns would've been, |
piedmont |
May-18-07 01:36 PM |
#42 |
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The difference: |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-18-07 02:48 PM |
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So you'd happily see more people dead if fewer of them were innocent bystanders? |
piedmont |
May-18-07 02:53 PM |
#57 |
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I'd happily see no people dead at all |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-18-07 03:48 PM |
#71 |
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This is the textbook definition of "extremism" |
Squatch |
May-17-07 02:25 PM |
#16 |
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Disarm who? The law abiding? They already obey. |
Sapere aude |
May-17-07 02:26 PM |
#17 |
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Prohis know banning will have no substantial impact on crime. |
SteveM |
May-17-07 03:07 PM |
#26 |
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It's NOT all-or-nothing... |
benEzra |
May-17-07 04:19 PM |
#31 |
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oooh, you mean like this guy? |
iverglas |
May-18-07 04:33 PM |
#82 |
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Amazing. |
qdemn7 |
May-18-07 03:29 PM |
#61 |
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isn't it just? |
iverglas |
May-18-07 04:30 PM |
#81 |
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The author is right about one thing... |
D__S |
May-18-07 03:45 PM |
#67 |
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you can fool some of the people all of the time |
iverglas |
May-18-07 04:28 PM |
#80 |
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well, that was an utterly incoherent screed |
iverglas |
May-18-07 04:27 PM |
#79 |
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Read There ^^ Or Be Square |
iverglas |
May-18-07 04:34 PM |
#83 |
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THE O.P. LINKS TO A RIGHT-WING SCREED. Read post 79 fer fuck's sake |
iverglas |
May-19-07 10:20 AM |
#140 |
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I haven't read |
Madspirit |
May-20-07 01:03 PM |
#162 |
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