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Fri May-18-07 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #45 |
| 51. exactly - lawfully owned guns can kill well armed and protected |
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individuals, it makes no difference, does it.
It is the legislatures job to pass laws to protect society, they do so based on the information provided by the experts (on both sides - NRA is pretty loud, but you know that), if they pass the laws banning a particular weapon and all those magazines loaded with bullets or particular bullets, they are well within their right. If you don't like it, then run for the job and make the difference, but don't you dare lie to yourself of others in this society by equating gun regulation to gun bans - you can keep and bear your guns, just not all the guns you want.
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| -To prevent harm or even death is it all or nothing in the gun debate? |
Union Label |
May-17-07 12:11 PM |
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I won't be much help here but I think the 2nd amendment should |
BOSSHOG |
May-17-07 12:21 PM |
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So did you take your snarkey pills this morning? |
Union Label |
May-17-07 12:30 PM |
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I think you are being too anti-gun here |
unpossibles |
May-17-07 12:31 PM |
#4 |
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I'm sorry |
BOSSHOG |
May-17-07 12:33 PM |
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absolutely, and only the wishy-washy say nay |
iverglas |
May-18-07 01:06 PM |
#39 |
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Ah, the smell of straw on a warm sunny spring day |
krispos42 |
May-17-07 02:14 PM |
#14 |
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Don't worry, it's coming! |
SteveM |
May-17-07 02:41 PM |
#21 |
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I've got my preemptive response... |
krispos42 |
May-17-07 02:50 PM |
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That magazine! Ummm, so well-hung for a fossil. |
SteveM |
May-17-07 03:23 PM |
#29 |
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Oh I see |
BOSSHOG |
May-17-07 03:22 PM |
#28 |
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Like he said...Strawman... |
beevul |
May-18-07 01:36 PM |
#43 |
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Schools are arming nobody |
krispos42 |
May-18-07 03:42 PM |
#65 |
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Bosshog... |
Madspirit |
May-18-07 10:03 PM |
#115 |
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An inconvenient externality |
dave_p |
May-17-07 12:29 PM |
#2 |
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Gun manufacturing may be killing the Earth |
wuushew |
May-17-07 12:35 PM |
#6 |
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Then you'd better kill me now then, in global self-defense |
krispos42 |
May-17-07 02:32 PM |
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I'm not a hypocrite, we need less of everything (including guns) |
wuushew |
May-17-07 03:35 PM |
#30 |
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Most bullets are copper-cased lead |
krispos42 |
May-18-07 03:56 AM |
#32 |
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On military ranges E3s dig the rounds out of the berm |
dmesg |
May-18-07 12:40 PM |
#37 |
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Use joules...the energy expended is minuscule. |
benEzra |
May-18-07 10:34 AM |
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Sophistry is alive and well at Stanford |
slackmaster |
May-17-07 12:40 PM |
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I'm getting pretty goddamn sick of people saying we want everyone to be armed. |
karlrschneider |
May-17-07 12:45 PM |
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I don't blame you |
merh |
May-17-07 12:52 PM |
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I think some people in the middle don't realize the impact of some gun-control proposals. |
benEzra |
May-18-07 10:44 AM |
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Sorry, you don't need an assault rifle to exercise your right to |
merh |
May-18-07 01:26 PM |
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What does an assault rifle have to do with a ban on assault weapons? |
beevul |
May-18-07 01:41 PM |
#45 |
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exactly - lawfully owned guns can kill well armed and protected |
merh |
May-18-07 02:32 PM |
#51 |
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This is the dishonesty I mentioned (not your dishonesty; lawmakers' dishonesty) |
dmesg |
May-18-07 01:45 PM |
#46 |
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Nothing dishonest about it, except for your implication that a banning |
merh |
May-18-07 02:43 PM |
#53 |
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Thank you for finally getting concrete |
dmesg |
May-18-07 03:15 PM |
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I've been honest from the start, it is you that hasn't. |
merh |
May-18-07 03:41 PM |
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What you're calling "regulation," WE call "confiscation" |
derby378 |
May-18-07 03:44 PM |
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And you are wrong in using that term, thus you are being dishonest. |
merh |
May-18-07 03:46 PM |
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Then prove me wrong |
derby378 |
May-18-07 03:48 PM |
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How about the words from the SCOTUS opinion on the |
merh |
May-18-07 04:08 PM |
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Are you really sure Miller is a decision you want to lean on? |
beevul |
May-18-07 04:22 PM |
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No more than I want them running around with nuclear weapons, |
merh |
May-18-07 04:26 PM |
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Nor would I. |
beevul |
May-18-07 04:47 PM |
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LOL, I think its funny that losing the access to assault weapons |
merh |
May-18-07 05:02 PM |
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It upsets people, because theres no good reason for it. |
beevul |
May-18-07 05:13 PM |
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A ban on books the Moral Majority disapproves of would bother me, too... |
benEzra |
May-18-07 06:01 PM |
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The Next Time Somebody Uses A Book Or A Volvo...... |
Paladin |
May-18-07 09:24 PM |
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Guess what? I'm not in the Gungeon, either... |
derby378 |
May-18-07 10:32 PM |
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Time and History Are Most Assuredly NOT On Your Side |
Paladin |
May-19-07 09:27 AM |
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*sigh* |
derby378 |
May-19-07 10:09 PM |
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Try Some Ben Gay On That Strain |
Paladin |
May-20-07 01:06 PM |
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I hate to kick the stupid thing too |
iverglas |
May-20-07 12:44 PM |
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Don't Take It Personally, Iverglass |
Paladin |
May-20-07 04:39 PM |
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oh, I didn't ;) |
iverglas |
May-20-07 05:06 PM |
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The ADL would care to differ, I'd bet. |
piedmont |
May-19-07 01:42 AM |
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ADL Personnel Can Read Crime Stats, Just As I Can |
Paladin |
May-19-07 09:00 AM |
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Books don't kill, people do. |
merh |
May-19-07 01:15 AM |
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I think the Anti-Defamation League might disagree with you |
piedmont |
May-19-07 01:43 AM |
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you know, you are right. |
merh |
May-19-07 01:49 AM |
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Not so good with analogies, are we? |
benEzra |
May-19-07 06:12 AM |
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Not a bad analogy |
merh |
May-19-07 08:47 AM |
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As you well know, AUTOMATIC WEAPONS ARE ALREADY RESTRICTED |
benEzra |
May-19-07 02:32 PM |
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I don't give a rat's ass |
merh |
May-19-07 02:34 PM |
#154 |
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If you can't address the argument, attack the arguer... |
benEzra |
May-19-07 02:47 PM |
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Seriously, what is your issue here? |
dmesg |
May-19-07 08:52 PM |
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I hate to kick this stupid thread again, but I have to in order to |
merh |
May-19-07 11:34 PM |
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Explain that... |
beevul |
May-19-07 02:36 PM |
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So would a ban on books the Moral Majority approves of n/t |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 01:42 PM |
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If your only point is that "gun ownership can be regulated" in harmony with the Constitution... |
derby378 |
May-18-07 04:55 PM |
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The simplicity of the 2nd amendment is lost on you, isn't it. |
merh |
May-18-07 04:59 PM |
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That's what we've been saying all along... |
derby378 |
May-18-07 10:28 PM |
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Yes, gun ownership can be regulated |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 02:28 AM |
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And that, incidentally, becomes a question of fact |
dmesg |
May-18-07 04:51 PM |
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Not really, and you don't want to go there. |
merh |
May-18-07 05:50 PM |
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You can speak freely on even-numbered Tuesdays |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 02:17 AM |
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Count me, then, as one of the VERY few |
derby378 |
May-18-07 03:41 PM |
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Define 'assault rifle' |
EstimatedProphet |
May-18-07 01:48 PM |
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It goes beyond that. |
beevul |
May-18-07 01:59 PM |
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No it hasn't the language is quite clear. |
merh |
May-18-07 02:48 PM |
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Clear as mud. |
beevul |
May-18-07 04:05 PM |
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lol, I am aware of what is on the list of weapons and I don't need your |
merh |
May-18-07 04:12 PM |
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Are you? |
beevul |
May-18-07 04:35 PM |
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OMG talk about your strawman |
merh |
May-18-07 05:35 PM |
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The point is how bans are recieved by the people they effect. |
beevul |
May-18-07 05:44 PM |
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No, that is no point and not anywhere near making sense. |
merh |
May-18-07 05:48 PM |
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Well...you can say its not a point... |
beevul |
May-18-07 06:11 PM |
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It isn't the same damn thing. A woman's body, her living being |
merh |
May-18-07 06:25 PM |
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You're right. It isn't the same damn thing. |
beevul |
May-18-07 07:01 PM |
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The rights a woman has to her body doesn't require an amendment |
merh |
May-18-07 10:58 PM |
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You just don't get it. |
beevul |
May-18-07 11:34 PM |
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No, you don't get it. |
merh |
May-18-07 11:43 PM |
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Apparently it does |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 02:55 AM |
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Tell you what, you start a thread comparing the movement to |
merh |
May-19-07 08:50 AM |
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Again, the automatic weapon thing |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 10:14 AM |
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LOL |
merh |
May-19-07 10:35 AM |
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Click the link in my previous post |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 11:52 AM |
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good for you, you actually were goofy enough to post that |
merh |
May-19-07 12:43 PM |
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I don't have to |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 01:23 PM |
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Wrong |
merh |
May-19-07 01:30 PM |
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They are doing it based on the 'other' body in her body |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 01:40 PM |
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well tell you what anti-freeper person |
merh |
May-19-07 01:45 PM |
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Name removed |
May-19-07 01:53 PM |
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I'm not pro-freeper, I don't believe your's or their stupid agrumentsd |
merh |
May-19-07 02:05 PM |
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Yet you use their argument |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 02:26 PM |
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Nope, my argument is common sense and is limited to the |
merh |
May-19-07 02:31 PM |
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Heh heh, 'common sense' |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 02:43 PM |
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The arguments are similar |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 02:52 AM |
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Umm...H.R.1022 bans the most popular civilian target rifle BY NAME... |
benEzra |
May-18-07 04:59 PM |
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You apparently don't know even the basics of this debate. |
piedmont |
May-19-07 01:56 AM |
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And where is hunting in the 2nd Amendment? |
krispos42 |
May-19-07 02:43 AM |
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oh go back to the gun forum and piss and moan there |
merh |
May-19-07 08:52 AM |
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That's true, and I wasn't careful in how I worded it either |
EstimatedProphet |
May-18-07 08:54 PM |
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To be frank, we've earned that reputation as a party |
dmesg |
May-18-07 12:46 PM |
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Banning popular weapons does not equate to a violation of the |
merh |
May-18-07 01:28 PM |
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I don't doubt the power to regulate |
dmesg |
May-18-07 01:40 PM |
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Thats debatable. |
beevul |
May-18-07 01:51 PM |
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Not it is not debatable, it is fact. |
merh |
May-18-07 02:33 PM |
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Saying so does not make it so. |
beevul |
May-18-07 03:05 PM |
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What part of the 2nd amendment forbides the regulation of weapons? |
merh |
May-18-07 03:38 PM |
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No gun discussion is complete without the nuclear strawman... |
beevul |
May-18-07 04:14 PM |
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It is not a strawman, a nuclear weapon is an "arm" - it is a weapon |
merh |
May-18-07 04:23 PM |
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Where do you get the idea that we think any regulation is unconstitutional? |
dmesg |
May-18-07 04:47 PM |
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Not that I have read. |
merh |
May-18-07 04:54 PM |
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That's different |
dmesg |
May-18-07 05:04 PM |
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it is not our parties fault |
merh |
May-18-07 05:37 PM |
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Gun regulations are also not the same thing as gun BANS. |
beevul |
May-18-07 05:56 PM |
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Wrong, but you go right ahead and try to convince folks of your lies. |
merh |
May-18-07 06:24 PM |
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What lies? |
beevul |
May-18-07 09:56 PM |
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Red herring...that question was settled by COMPROMISE 73 years ago. |
benEzra |
May-19-07 06:26 AM |
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The Second Amendment debate is generally about small arms... |
beevul |
May-18-07 05:03 PM |
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And I want to add something |
dmesg |
May-18-07 02:06 PM |
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You are condescending to me, so why not expect it back. |
merh |
May-18-07 02:51 PM |
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Condescending would be... |
dmesg |
May-18-07 03:26 PM |
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It's not my place to tell you about your purdy guns |
merh |
May-18-07 03:48 PM |
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Delete -- net gremlins |
dmesg |
May-18-07 04:40 PM |
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Huh? |
dmesg |
May-18-07 04:42 PM |
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I could care less what you think of the AWB |
merh |
May-18-07 05:47 PM |
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What a ridiculous argument |
BaronBootRag |
May-19-07 04:29 AM |
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For heaven's sake... |
dmesg |
May-20-07 02:08 PM |
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I'm not allowed on any "pro Bush" board I've ever visited |
dmesg |
May-18-07 04:45 PM |
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Well, I do understand that, I get banned too from boards with |
merh |
May-18-07 05:04 PM |
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Yes. What happened to choice? |
krispos42 |
May-17-07 02:36 PM |
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You are right. I can sell my gun to the guy sitting next to me anytime we agree to a price. |
Sapere aude |
May-17-07 02:33 PM |
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Total disarmament in this country is about as likely as me getting elected Pope. |
karlrschneider |
May-17-07 12:43 PM |
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All citizens should be armed...with a bag of marshmallows. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
May-17-07 12:46 PM |
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If you arm everyone with bags of marshmallows |
slackmaster |
May-17-07 12:52 PM |
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Only if one makes shaky assumptions, like this piece did. |
damntexdem |
May-17-07 02:10 PM |
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"No guns, no crime" bull |
krispos42 |
May-17-07 02:24 PM |
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Your observations do not connect |
Az |
May-17-07 02:45 PM |
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That was not my argument |
krispos42 |
May-17-07 02:53 PM |
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See post #26 below. "Suggestive" is often post hoc, ergo propter hoc (nt) |
SteveM |
May-17-07 03:18 PM |
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Until you look at comparisons *WITHIN* the United States... |
benEzra |
May-18-07 10:53 AM |
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Comparing gun crime to knife crime is ludicrous |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-17-07 03:01 PM |
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I'm trying to lower the number of dead bodies |
krispos42 |
May-18-07 04:09 AM |
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But those extra people killed by knives aren't as dead as the people killed by guns would've been, |
piedmont |
May-18-07 01:36 PM |
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The difference: |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-18-07 02:48 PM |
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So you'd happily see more people dead if fewer of them were innocent bystanders? |
piedmont |
May-18-07 02:53 PM |
#57 |
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I'd happily see no people dead at all |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
May-18-07 03:48 PM |
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This is the textbook definition of "extremism" |
Squatch |
May-17-07 02:25 PM |
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Disarm who? The law abiding? They already obey. |
Sapere aude |
May-17-07 02:26 PM |
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Prohis know banning will have no substantial impact on crime. |
SteveM |
May-17-07 03:07 PM |
#26 |
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It's NOT all-or-nothing... |
benEzra |
May-17-07 04:19 PM |
#31 |
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oooh, you mean like this guy? |
iverglas |
May-18-07 04:33 PM |
#82 |
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Amazing. |
qdemn7 |
May-18-07 03:29 PM |
#61 |
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isn't it just? |
iverglas |
May-18-07 04:30 PM |
#81 |
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The author is right about one thing... |
D__S |
May-18-07 03:45 PM |
#67 |
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you can fool some of the people all of the time |
iverglas |
May-18-07 04:28 PM |
#80 |
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well, that was an utterly incoherent screed |
iverglas |
May-18-07 04:27 PM |
#79 |
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Read There ^^ Or Be Square |
iverglas |
May-18-07 04:34 PM |
#83 |
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THE O.P. LINKS TO A RIGHT-WING SCREED. Read post 79 fer fuck's sake |
iverglas |
May-19-07 10:20 AM |
#140 |
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I haven't read |
Madspirit |
May-20-07 01:03 PM |
#162 |
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