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89. There was no misdeed published by the LA Times.
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 10:40 AM by izzybeans
Post your performance review here. Thanks. We all have a right to know if your work has endangered the public.

Professionals utilize licensing requirements so that they can maintain a modicum of professional autonomy. They don't post mundane data with suspect validity and subject themselves to hysterical political wrangling.

Let's publish the number of people who die in every doctor's care. That'll be grand.

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  -L. A. Times evaluates teacher who was out of the country on a Fulbright Scholarship. madfloridian  Aug-31-10 12:40 AM   #0 
  - It is witch hunting and lying with statistics. n/t  EFerrari   Aug-31-10 12:42 AM   #1 
  - I will check back tomorrow to see all the excuses.  madfloridian   Aug-31-10 12:50 AM   #4 
  - It's hard to think of anything that could be more disruptive  EFerrari   Aug-31-10 12:58 AM   #7 
  - No excuses, just using the links you gave---  msanthrope   Aug-31-10 01:24 PM   #35 
     - Semantics or More...?  xocet   Aug-31-10 05:02 PM   #59 
     - How does one argue "semantics" over the second line?  msanthrope   Aug-31-10 06:08 PM   #63 
        - The second line of text that I posted is the following:  xocet   Sep-01-10 10:23 AM   #88 
           - Again, how do you argue this is semantics? It is a failure of reading comprehension.  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 01:50 PM   #97 
              - Good post.  October   Sep-01-10 04:59 PM   #112 
              - Ok. Have it your way....  xocet   Sep-01-10 09:43 PM   #144 
     - I could care less if this teacher's fullbright year was evaluated or not.  izzybeans   Aug-31-10 09:14 PM   #73 
     - Privacy laws??? Actual professions publish misdeeds and incompetence.  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 12:12 AM   #74 
     - but these professions  HankyDubs   Sep-01-10 12:43 AM   #77 
     - Yep.  izzybeans   Sep-01-10 10:36 AM   #90 
     - That would be none, Jim. But lots of them make good money practicing this fraudulent "profession".  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 02:46 AM   #154 
        - .  izzybeans   Sep-03-10 09:02 AM   #179 
           - i understood that. the comments were for the peanut gallery who thinks it's  Hannah Bell   Sep-04-10 04:59 AM   #183 
     - Well, who chose a profession that involved testing children?  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 01:39 PM   #94 
        - pathetically weak response  HankyDubs   Sep-01-10 04:35 PM   #106 
           - You do realize that LA public school doesn't use this method, right?  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 04:46 PM   #110 
              - The Times doesn't either. Oligarch Bill Gates & his hired RAND gun do.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 02:48 AM   #155 
     - There was no misdeed published by the LA Times.  izzybeans   Sep-01-10 10:30 AM   #89 
     - Taking public money to be an incompetent teacher is a misdeed.  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 01:26 PM   #93 
        - Well, I'm not impressed by the bar association's willingness to  sabrina 1   Sep-01-10 06:27 PM   #128 
     - Nice straw. These "ratings" were devised by a RAND analyst, paid for with  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 02:42 AM   #153 
     - +100  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 02:31 AM   #152 
     - So what's the problem?  HankyDubs   Sep-01-10 12:31 AM   #75 
        - Do you have any idea that she isn't a Fulbright Scholar?  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 03:02 PM   #100 
           - Fine  HankyDubs   Sep-01-10 04:36 PM   #108 
           - It's not fine when a person is misrepresented as a Fulbright Scholar.  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 04:53 PM   #111 
              - again you failed to respond  HankyDubs   Sep-01-10 09:25 PM   #143 
              - oh, bullshit. They're all listed as "Fulbrighters" by the state dept.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 03:04 AM   #158 
           - There are only 120 Fulbright Teachers chosen every year. It's highly competitive,  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 03:02 AM   #156 
           - .  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 03:02 AM   #157 
  - No--it's reading comprehension problems for this teacher and some posters....  msanthrope   Aug-31-10 01:21 PM   #32 
     - +1  Diane R   Aug-31-10 01:28 PM   #36 
     - It isn't reading comprehension problems. It is a willful omission of facts  Joe Fields   Aug-31-10 02:17 PM   #48 
     - Did not the Bush era teach us to never underestimate the sheer  msanthrope   Aug-31-10 06:10 PM   #64 
        - nasty stuff.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 03:05 AM   #159 
     - How does an average teacher qualify for an exceptional scholarship?  Gormy Cuss   Sep-01-10 01:51 PM   #98 
        - Um, she's not a Fulbright Scholar, you realize, right?  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 03:00 PM   #99 
           - Yes, I know how to read.  Gormy Cuss   Sep-01-10 04:35 PM   #107 
              - "Does the teacher exchange has low standards?" We know they didn't test Vinicor for reading  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 04:38 PM   #109 
                 - Ah. You're arguing without knowledge of the standards used for the teacher exchange.  Gormy Cuss   Sep-01-10 05:08 PM   #115 
                    - Dude, I'm not gonna do your Googling for you.  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 05:18 PM   #116 
                       - do it for yourself, you're woefully uninformed.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 03:49 AM   #166 
  - One more paragraph from Mike Klonsky's blog. Amen.  madfloridian   Aug-31-10 12:44 AM   #2 
  - While evaluating this teacher's last year was totally unfair, the whole  Joe Fields   Aug-31-10 10:35 AM   #17 
     - +1  Diane R   Aug-31-10 01:28 PM   #37 
     - No--the whole story is they DIDN'T use her Fullbright year....see posts 35 & 32  msanthrope   Aug-31-10 01:32 PM   #39 
     - AND MORE of the story--the lady in question is NOT a Fulbright Scholar.  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 03:27 PM   #104 
     - Bullshit. She got a Fulbright. They're ALL EXCHANGE PROGRAMS.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 03:22 AM   #161 
     - Ouch...  JuniperLea   Sep-01-10 05:03 PM   #114 
     - GIGO...  YvonneCa   Aug-31-10 02:52 PM   #53 
     - You're calling teachers "garbage?"  Joe Fields   Aug-31-10 04:13 PM   #58 
        - Of course not. Sorry if I was unclear. The data...  YvonneCa   Aug-31-10 05:04 PM   #60 
     - They're not "evaluations". They're student test scores. On non-equivalent tests to boot.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 03:17 AM   #160 
  - Evaluation in absentia  mike r   Aug-31-10 12:45 AM   #3 
  - And without proper data.  madfloridian   Aug-31-10 12:54 AM   #5 
  - How do we know it is without proper data?  Joe Fields   Aug-31-10 10:36 AM   #18 
  - I would recommend Diane Ravitch's book...  YvonneCa   Aug-31-10 05:08 PM   #61 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-31-10 02:29 PM   #50 
  - A retraction and an apology is in order, ma'am.  Joe Fields   Sep-01-10 11:00 AM   #91 
     - Agreed  rpannier   Sep-03-10 09:23 AM   #181 
  - They didn't use her Fullbright year---  msanthrope   Aug-31-10 01:22 PM   #33 
  - How so? Read the article...they didn't evaluate her in absentia.  Diane R   Aug-31-10 01:29 PM   #38 
  - The only reason for "no child left behind" is to destroy public education in favor of rightwing  Rabrrrrrr   Aug-31-10 12:55 AM   #6 
  - Why was Ted Kennedy one of the creators of it then?  Winterblues   Aug-31-10 11:14 AM   #22 
     - I think Kennedy figured he'd been had. But now it is Dem policy.  madfloridian   Aug-31-10 11:45 AM   #24 
        - Ted Kennedy was had? To read this, so close to the anniversary of his death....  msanthrope   Aug-31-10 06:26 PM   #67 
           - lol,  Hannah Bell   Sep-01-10 03:17 AM   #80 
           - Ted Kennedy's death makes you laugh, Hannah? Do tell. n/t  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 01:40 PM   #95 
              - your straw makes me laugh. also the "outrage" over your own straw creations.  Hannah Bell   Sep-01-10 01:42 PM   #96 
           - I.... what?!?! Seriously, you think that offering an opinion about Ted's thoughts  Rabrrrrrr   Sep-01-10 10:54 PM   #145 
           - Ted Kennedy didn't support the implementation of NCLB  proud2BlibKansan   Sep-01-10 11:06 PM   #146 
  - Good thing I am not a teacher..My votes would have to be fought for and so far  flyarm   Aug-31-10 12:59 AM   #8 
  - Kick.  Luminous Animal   Aug-31-10 09:57 AM   #9 
  - .....  madfloridian   Aug-31-10 10:06 AM   #10 
  - It's not witch hunting. It's treasure hunting. And union busting. nt  Doremus   Aug-31-10 10:11 AM   #11 
  - Union busting for sure. You got in and posted this just before I did. K and R  riderinthestorm   Aug-31-10 10:18 AM   #14 
  - +1000  Blue_Tires   Aug-31-10 10:27 AM   #16 
  - Best post in the entire thread.  Dappleganger   Sep-01-10 08:11 PM   #140 
  - Is the problem here that teachers should never be rated, or that  hedgehog   Aug-31-10 10:13 AM   #12 
  - I ask how do you measure a Fulbright scholar who isn't there?  madfloridian   Aug-31-10 10:16 AM   #13 
  - I think that incident is analogous to the supervisor who very  hedgehog   Aug-31-10 10:23 AM   #15 
  - You are so disingenuous. You know full well that there is more here  Joe Fields   Aug-31-10 10:41 AM   #19 
  - It's not that you aren't going to get it.  wolfgangmo   Aug-31-10 12:52 PM   #27 
     - There is nothing wrong with my perception and reasoning skills.  Joe Fields   Aug-31-10 02:35 PM   #51 
     - ...  YvonneCa   Aug-31-10 02:54 PM   #55 
  - You do understand, don't you, that the Fulbright year was not evaluated?  Diane R   Aug-31-10 01:37 PM   #41 
  - She's not a Fulbright Scholar. Why claim she is, when she isn't? n/t  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 03:14 PM   #102 
     - SO WHAT? SHE RECEIVED A FULBRIGHT GRANT TO GO OVERSEAS SAME AS A FULBRIGHT SCHOLAR.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 03:38 AM   #162 
        - Hannah, she obviously received the scholarship because they wanted to get rid of her for a year  proud2BlibKansan   Sep-03-10 04:32 AM   #171 
           - lol. god, i read through this thread & i wonder where the hell i am.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 04:34 AM   #172 
  - Good post, Hedgehog. But, here's the question: What do we do with the bad principals and teachers?  Diane R   Aug-31-10 01:35 PM   #40 
  - ...  YvonneCa   Aug-31-10 03:09 PM   #57 
     - + 10  LWolf   Sep-01-10 07:46 AM   #87 
        - Thanks. n/t  YvonneCa   Sep-01-10 12:51 PM   #92 
  - You "get it." Thank you. nt  LWolf   Sep-01-10 07:43 AM   #86 
  - Recommend  xchrom   Aug-31-10 10:43 AM   #20 
  - Amazing. The Times publishes evaluation of a teacher who was not there....  madfloridian   Aug-31-10 11:02 AM   #21 
  - No they didn't.  Diane R   Aug-31-10 01:38 PM   #42 
     - Useful tactic: peppering your own thread with running commentary.  Joe Fields   Aug-31-10 02:37 PM   #52 
  - It's like the Scarlet Letter for teachers. Read the responses.  madfloridian   Aug-31-10 11:37 AM   #23 
  - Teachers' unions helping to destroy America.  HoraceX   Aug-31-10 12:33 PM   #25 
  - Then we can only imagine...  LanternWaste   Aug-31-10 12:56 PM   #28 
  - Herrings, herrings everywhere and not a fact to be seen.  wolfgangmo   Aug-31-10 12:56 PM   #29 
  - Bravo. Except, I support teacher's unions, just not their efforts to protect incompetent teachers.  Diane R   Aug-31-10 01:39 PM   #43 
  - Seriously? "...the teachers' unions primary goal is to keep incompetent teachers employed"  LiberalLovinLug   Aug-31-10 01:41 PM   #45 
  - absolute garbage. disgusting.  Hannah Bell   Aug-31-10 02:07 PM   #47 
  - *yawn*  Starry Messenger   Aug-31-10 02:53 PM   #54 
  - On what basis do you claim that American public school teachers are quite poor?  Catshrink   Aug-31-10 07:29 PM   #71 
  - The pay isn't lucrative. My husband and I are teachers  RayOfHope   Sep-01-10 05:58 AM   #83 
     - In that sense, it is rough to make ends meet a lot of the time.  Catshrink   Sep-01-10 07:09 AM   #84 
  - Not all states have an active union presence. Missouri sure doesn't.  RayOfHope   Sep-01-10 05:56 AM   #82 
  - Oh for cryin' out loud.  Sparkly   Sep-01-10 07:35 PM   #138 
  - I posted your OP on Facebook.  Starry Messenger   Aug-31-10 12:36 PM   #26 
  - Did you note that the study didn't use her Fullbright year?  msanthrope   Aug-31-10 01:23 PM   #34 
  - Do you tell them that the Fulbright year was not evaluated?  Diane R   Aug-31-10 01:40 PM   #44 
  - I have you both on ignore.  Starry Messenger   Aug-31-10 02:55 PM   #56 
     - Numbers are now anti-union?  msanthrope   Aug-31-10 06:18 PM   #66 
        - Yes, these particular numbers & their Gates-funded "analysis" are anti-union.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 03:42 AM   #163 
  - Convincing kids to care is a teacher's first job.  hunter   Aug-31-10 01:06 PM   #30 
  - Nancy Vinicor has a serious reading comprehension problem---along with some posters.  msanthrope   Aug-31-10 01:17 PM   #31 
  - Explain how an "average" teacher ever managed to win a fellowship in a program  eridani   Sep-01-10 02:43 AM   #79 
     - She isn't a Fulbright Scholar. Nor a Fellow. She was in the Exchange Program.  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 03:12 PM   #101 
        - I'm betting it isn't open to just anyone. You have to have a high rating as a teacher  eridani   Sep-01-10 08:26 PM   #142 
        - I'm betting you don't know what you're talking about. All Fulbrights are competitive, all  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 03:44 AM   #164 
  - k&r. Thanks as always mad  Jax   Aug-31-10 02:07 PM   #46 
  - This incident reveals the absolute propaganda behind this union-busting bullshit  RainDog   Aug-31-10 02:21 PM   #49 
  - Actually, it seems quite the opposite when facts are included.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Sep-02-10 02:33 PM   #151 
     - lol. like statistics & research can't be used to lie, cheat & steal.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 03:48 AM   #165 
        - As if anecdotes can't be used to lie!  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Sep-03-10 04:54 AM   #174 
           - yeah, adopting the ideas of the john birch society = "progress".  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 05:46 AM   #175 
              - Status quo does not equal progress.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Sep-03-10 06:41 AM   #176 
                 - neither does the John Birch Society's programme for fascism & free markets.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 06:46 AM   #177 
                    - And what of the NAACP? What of La Raza? National League of Cities? Center for American Progress?  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Sep-03-10 07:50 AM   #178 
                       - get back to me when those orgs recommend that bullshit "ratings" of teachers be published in the  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 01:09 PM   #182 
  - This is disgusting!  Odin2005   Aug-31-10 05:54 PM   #62 
  - Indeed--that the teacher could not read the study is indeed disgusting.  msanthrope   Aug-31-10 06:15 PM   #65 
     - No, the disgusting thing  HankyDubs   Sep-01-10 12:34 AM   #76 
        - She isn't a Fulbright Scholar. Nor a Fellow.  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 03:32 PM   #105 
           - You don't "trade". You win a Fulbright grant. Then the Fulbright committee sends you to the school  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 03:59 AM   #168 
  - My personal involvement  lolly   Aug-31-10 06:36 PM   #68 
  - You point out the dangers with relying just on test data.  madfloridian   Aug-31-10 07:00 PM   #69 
     - Oddly enough, my daughter is a "model" student  lolly   Aug-31-10 07:22 PM   #70 
  - Kick.  msanthrope   Aug-31-10 08:52 PM   #72 
  - WTF is going on with the LA Times  Ramulux   Sep-01-10 01:22 AM   #78 
  - it's not the times by itself. bill gates funded the rand analyst who made up the ratings.  Hannah Bell   Sep-01-10 03:20 AM   #81 
  - So has anti-intellectualism taken hold in the teaching profession?  MrScorpio   Sep-01-10 07:11 AM   #85 
  - A note on the OP Title--this teacher IS NOT a Fulbright Scholar!!!  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 03:21 PM   #103 
  - Are you serious?  JuniperLea   Sep-01-10 05:02 PM   #113 
     - State Department publishes the Fulbrights every year....  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 05:24 PM   #117 
        - Trend...  JuniperLea   Sep-01-10 05:25 PM   #118 
        - Indeed. I read another thread that bemoaned the lack of respect  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 05:34 PM   #119 
           - Well said...  JuniperLea   Sep-01-10 05:38 PM   #120 
           - Well said..thank you, msanthrope. nt  Cha   Sep-01-10 06:00 PM   #122 
        - Fulbright Teacher Exchange  cate94   Sep-01-10 05:56 PM   #121 
        - Except she wasn't evaluated for 2009-2010 while she was out ...  Born_A_Truman   Sep-01-10 06:15 PM   #124 
        - Interesting how so many teachers missed that...  JuniperLea   Sep-01-10 06:27 PM   #129 
        - The OP's title is "Fulbright Scholarship."  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 06:28 PM   #130 
        - She was out 2009-2010, but evaluated on 2008-2009  Born_A_Truman   Sep-01-10 06:05 PM   #123 
        - She completely misread the study, and claimed she  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 06:22 PM   #127 
        - Good grief. At the very least the OP misunderstood the facts, which doesn't  DevonRex   Sep-02-10 10:57 AM   #150 
        - She one of only 120 winners of the Fulbright Grant for Teachers. There are 1100 Fulbright scholar  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 03:57 AM   #167 
  - She should sue them. Her reputation has been smeared  sabrina 1   Sep-01-10 06:17 PM   #125 
  - Sue for what???  Born_A_Truman   Sep-01-10 06:22 PM   #126 
     - Her record as a teacher was distorted. And she is not the only  sabrina 1   Sep-01-10 06:38 PM   #132 
        - My husband is teaching his students every day ...  Born_A_Truman   Sep-01-10 06:45 PM   #134 
        - Of course it's possible to teach students every day. I didn't say  sabrina 1   Sep-01-10 07:26 PM   #136 
           - His students are being educated ...  Born_A_Truman   Sep-01-10 08:06 PM   #139 
        - Suing would only draw more attention to her stupidity......  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 07:23 PM   #135 
           - A class action suit is what I hope will result from this.  sabrina 1   Sep-01-10 07:31 PM   #137 
              - The only CA lawyer stupid enough to take this proposed class action is Orly Taitz. n/t  msanthrope   Sep-01-10 08:12 PM   #141 
  - When are you going to edit your OP?  Born_A_Truman   Sep-01-10 06:30 PM   #131 
  - Excellent question, Truman...why wouldn't  Cha   Sep-01-10 06:39 PM   #133 
     - you would think....  Whisp   Sep-01-10 11:46 PM   #147 
        - like the charter school brigade has *ever* copped to the failure of *their* hobbyhorse  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 04:10 AM   #169 
  - too late to unrec for misleading information in OP. Reader beware.  Whisp   Sep-01-10 11:52 PM   #148 
  - 1. She didn't have a Fullbright Scholarship. 2. She wasn't evaluated for the year she was out of  DevonRex   Sep-02-10 10:54 AM   #149 
  - blahblahblahblahblah. she got a Fulbright Teachers grant.  Hannah Bell   Sep-03-10 04:12 AM   #170 
  - The war on education- if allowed to continue- leads to only one place- Everyone paying  JCMach1   Sep-03-10 04:40 AM   #173 
  - My response to the evaluation system  rpannier   Sep-03-10 09:20 AM   #180 
 

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