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Tue Aug-31-10 10:35 AM
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| 17. While evaluating this teacher's last year was totally unfair, the whole |
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story is not being told. The OP forgot to mention that ten years worth of evaluations are what makes up the composite.
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| -L. A. Times evaluates teacher who was out of the country on a Fulbright Scholarship. |
madfloridian |
Aug-31-10 12:40 AM |
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It is witch hunting and lying with statistics. n/t |
EFerrari |
Aug-31-10 12:42 AM |
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I will check back tomorrow to see all the excuses. |
madfloridian |
Aug-31-10 12:50 AM |
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It's hard to think of anything that could be more disruptive |
EFerrari |
Aug-31-10 12:58 AM |
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No excuses, just using the links you gave--- |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 01:24 PM |
#35 |
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Semantics or More...? |
xocet |
Aug-31-10 05:02 PM |
#59 |
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How does one argue "semantics" over the second line? |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 06:08 PM |
#63 |
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The second line of text that I posted is the following: |
xocet |
Sep-01-10 10:23 AM |
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Again, how do you argue this is semantics? It is a failure of reading comprehension. |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 01:50 PM |
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Good post. |
October |
Sep-01-10 04:59 PM |
#112 |
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Ok. Have it your way.... |
xocet |
Sep-01-10 09:43 PM |
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I could care less if this teacher's fullbright year was evaluated or not. |
izzybeans |
Aug-31-10 09:14 PM |
#73 |
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Privacy laws??? Actual professions publish misdeeds and incompetence. |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 12:12 AM |
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but these professions |
HankyDubs |
Sep-01-10 12:43 AM |
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Yep. |
izzybeans |
Sep-01-10 10:36 AM |
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That would be none, Jim. But lots of them make good money practicing this fraudulent "profession". |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 02:46 AM |
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. |
izzybeans |
Sep-03-10 09:02 AM |
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i understood that. the comments were for the peanut gallery who thinks it's |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-04-10 04:59 AM |
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Well, who chose a profession that involved testing children? |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 01:39 PM |
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pathetically weak response |
HankyDubs |
Sep-01-10 04:35 PM |
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You do realize that LA public school doesn't use this method, right? |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 04:46 PM |
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The Times doesn't either. Oligarch Bill Gates & his hired RAND gun do. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 02:48 AM |
#155 |
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There was no misdeed published by the LA Times. |
izzybeans |
Sep-01-10 10:30 AM |
#89 |
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Taking public money to be an incompetent teacher is a misdeed. |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 01:26 PM |
#93 |
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Well, I'm not impressed by the bar association's willingness to |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-01-10 06:27 PM |
#128 |
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Nice straw. These "ratings" were devised by a RAND analyst, paid for with |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 02:42 AM |
#153 |
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+100 |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 02:31 AM |
#152 |
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So what's the problem? |
HankyDubs |
Sep-01-10 12:31 AM |
#75 |
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Do you have any idea that she isn't a Fulbright Scholar? |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 03:02 PM |
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Fine |
HankyDubs |
Sep-01-10 04:36 PM |
#108 |
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It's not fine when a person is misrepresented as a Fulbright Scholar. |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 04:53 PM |
#111 |
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again you failed to respond |
HankyDubs |
Sep-01-10 09:25 PM |
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oh, bullshit. They're all listed as "Fulbrighters" by the state dept. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:04 AM |
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There are only 120 Fulbright Teachers chosen every year. It's highly competitive, |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:02 AM |
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. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:02 AM |
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No--it's reading comprehension problems for this teacher and some posters.... |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 01:21 PM |
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+1 |
Diane R |
Aug-31-10 01:28 PM |
#36 |
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It isn't reading comprehension problems. It is a willful omission of facts |
Joe Fields |
Aug-31-10 02:17 PM |
#48 |
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Did not the Bush era teach us to never underestimate the sheer |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 06:10 PM |
#64 |
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nasty stuff. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:05 AM |
#159 |
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How does an average teacher qualify for an exceptional scholarship? |
Gormy Cuss |
Sep-01-10 01:51 PM |
#98 |
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Um, she's not a Fulbright Scholar, you realize, right? |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 03:00 PM |
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Yes, I know how to read. |
Gormy Cuss |
Sep-01-10 04:35 PM |
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"Does the teacher exchange has low standards?" We know they didn't test Vinicor for reading |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 04:38 PM |
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Ah. You're arguing without knowledge of the standards used for the teacher exchange. |
Gormy Cuss |
Sep-01-10 05:08 PM |
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Dude, I'm not gonna do your Googling for you. |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 05:18 PM |
#116 |
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do it for yourself, you're woefully uninformed. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:49 AM |
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One more paragraph from Mike Klonsky's blog. Amen. |
madfloridian |
Aug-31-10 12:44 AM |
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While evaluating this teacher's last year was totally unfair, the whole |
Joe Fields |
Aug-31-10 10:35 AM |
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+1 |
Diane R |
Aug-31-10 01:28 PM |
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No--the whole story is they DIDN'T use her Fullbright year....see posts 35 & 32 |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 01:32 PM |
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AND MORE of the story--the lady in question is NOT a Fulbright Scholar. |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 03:27 PM |
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Bullshit. She got a Fulbright. They're ALL EXCHANGE PROGRAMS. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:22 AM |
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Ouch... |
JuniperLea |
Sep-01-10 05:03 PM |
#114 |
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GIGO... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-31-10 02:52 PM |
#53 |
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You're calling teachers "garbage?" |
Joe Fields |
Aug-31-10 04:13 PM |
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Of course not. Sorry if I was unclear. The data... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-31-10 05:04 PM |
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They're not "evaluations". They're student test scores. On non-equivalent tests to boot. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:17 AM |
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Evaluation in absentia |
mike r |
Aug-31-10 12:45 AM |
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And without proper data. |
madfloridian |
Aug-31-10 12:54 AM |
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How do we know it is without proper data? |
Joe Fields |
Aug-31-10 10:36 AM |
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I would recommend Diane Ravitch's book... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-31-10 05:08 PM |
#61 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-31-10 02:29 PM |
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A retraction and an apology is in order, ma'am. |
Joe Fields |
Sep-01-10 11:00 AM |
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Agreed |
rpannier |
Sep-03-10 09:23 AM |
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They didn't use her Fullbright year--- |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 01:22 PM |
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How so? Read the article...they didn't evaluate her in absentia. |
Diane R |
Aug-31-10 01:29 PM |
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The only reason for "no child left behind" is to destroy public education in favor of rightwing |
Rabrrrrrr |
Aug-31-10 12:55 AM |
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Why was Ted Kennedy one of the creators of it then? |
Winterblues |
Aug-31-10 11:14 AM |
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I think Kennedy figured he'd been had. But now it is Dem policy. |
madfloridian |
Aug-31-10 11:45 AM |
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Ted Kennedy was had? To read this, so close to the anniversary of his death.... |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 06:26 PM |
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lol, |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-01-10 03:17 AM |
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Ted Kennedy's death makes you laugh, Hannah? Do tell. n/t |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 01:40 PM |
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your straw makes me laugh. also the "outrage" over your own straw creations. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-01-10 01:42 PM |
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I.... what?!?! Seriously, you think that offering an opinion about Ted's thoughts |
Rabrrrrrr |
Sep-01-10 10:54 PM |
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Ted Kennedy didn't support the implementation of NCLB |
proud2BlibKansan |
Sep-01-10 11:06 PM |
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Good thing I am not a teacher..My votes would have to be fought for and so far |
flyarm |
Aug-31-10 12:59 AM |
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Kick. |
Luminous Animal |
Aug-31-10 09:57 AM |
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..... |
madfloridian |
Aug-31-10 10:06 AM |
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It's not witch hunting. It's treasure hunting. And union busting. nt |
Doremus |
Aug-31-10 10:11 AM |
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Union busting for sure. You got in and posted this just before I did. K and R |
riderinthestorm |
Aug-31-10 10:18 AM |
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+1000 |
Blue_Tires |
Aug-31-10 10:27 AM |
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Best post in the entire thread. |
Dappleganger |
Sep-01-10 08:11 PM |
#140 |
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Is the problem here that teachers should never be rated, or that |
hedgehog |
Aug-31-10 10:13 AM |
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I ask how do you measure a Fulbright scholar who isn't there? |
madfloridian |
Aug-31-10 10:16 AM |
#13 |
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I think that incident is analogous to the supervisor who very |
hedgehog |
Aug-31-10 10:23 AM |
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You are so disingenuous. You know full well that there is more here |
Joe Fields |
Aug-31-10 10:41 AM |
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It's not that you aren't going to get it. |
wolfgangmo |
Aug-31-10 12:52 PM |
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There is nothing wrong with my perception and reasoning skills. |
Joe Fields |
Aug-31-10 02:35 PM |
#51 |
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... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-31-10 02:54 PM |
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You do understand, don't you, that the Fulbright year was not evaluated? |
Diane R |
Aug-31-10 01:37 PM |
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She's not a Fulbright Scholar. Why claim she is, when she isn't? n/t |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 03:14 PM |
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SO WHAT? SHE RECEIVED A FULBRIGHT GRANT TO GO OVERSEAS SAME AS A FULBRIGHT SCHOLAR. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:38 AM |
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Hannah, she obviously received the scholarship because they wanted to get rid of her for a year |
proud2BlibKansan |
Sep-03-10 04:32 AM |
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lol. god, i read through this thread & i wonder where the hell i am. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 04:34 AM |
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Good post, Hedgehog. But, here's the question: What do we do with the bad principals and teachers? |
Diane R |
Aug-31-10 01:35 PM |
#40 |
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... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-31-10 03:09 PM |
#57 |
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+ 10 |
LWolf |
Sep-01-10 07:46 AM |
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Thanks. n/t |
YvonneCa |
Sep-01-10 12:51 PM |
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You "get it." Thank you. nt |
LWolf |
Sep-01-10 07:43 AM |
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Recommend |
xchrom |
Aug-31-10 10:43 AM |
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Amazing. The Times publishes evaluation of a teacher who was not there.... |
madfloridian |
Aug-31-10 11:02 AM |
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No they didn't. |
Diane R |
Aug-31-10 01:38 PM |
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Useful tactic: peppering your own thread with running commentary. |
Joe Fields |
Aug-31-10 02:37 PM |
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It's like the Scarlet Letter for teachers. Read the responses. |
madfloridian |
Aug-31-10 11:37 AM |
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Teachers' unions helping to destroy America. |
HoraceX |
Aug-31-10 12:33 PM |
#25 |
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Then we can only imagine... |
LanternWaste |
Aug-31-10 12:56 PM |
#28 |
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Herrings, herrings everywhere and not a fact to be seen. |
wolfgangmo |
Aug-31-10 12:56 PM |
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Bravo. Except, I support teacher's unions, just not their efforts to protect incompetent teachers. |
Diane R |
Aug-31-10 01:39 PM |
#43 |
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Seriously? "...the teachers' unions primary goal is to keep incompetent teachers employed" |
LiberalLovinLug |
Aug-31-10 01:41 PM |
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absolute garbage. disgusting. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-31-10 02:07 PM |
#47 |
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*yawn* |
Starry Messenger |
Aug-31-10 02:53 PM |
#54 |
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On what basis do you claim that American public school teachers are quite poor? |
Catshrink |
Aug-31-10 07:29 PM |
#71 |
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The pay isn't lucrative. My husband and I are teachers |
RayOfHope |
Sep-01-10 05:58 AM |
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In that sense, it is rough to make ends meet a lot of the time. |
Catshrink |
Sep-01-10 07:09 AM |
#84 |
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Not all states have an active union presence. Missouri sure doesn't. |
RayOfHope |
Sep-01-10 05:56 AM |
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Oh for cryin' out loud. |
Sparkly |
Sep-01-10 07:35 PM |
#138 |
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I posted your OP on Facebook. |
Starry Messenger |
Aug-31-10 12:36 PM |
#26 |
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Did you note that the study didn't use her Fullbright year? |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 01:23 PM |
#34 |
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Do you tell them that the Fulbright year was not evaluated? |
Diane R |
Aug-31-10 01:40 PM |
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I have you both on ignore. |
Starry Messenger |
Aug-31-10 02:55 PM |
#56 |
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Numbers are now anti-union? |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 06:18 PM |
#66 |
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Yes, these particular numbers & their Gates-funded "analysis" are anti-union. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:42 AM |
#163 |
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Convincing kids to care is a teacher's first job. |
hunter |
Aug-31-10 01:06 PM |
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Nancy Vinicor has a serious reading comprehension problem---along with some posters. |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 01:17 PM |
#31 |
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Explain how an "average" teacher ever managed to win a fellowship in a program |
eridani |
Sep-01-10 02:43 AM |
#79 |
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She isn't a Fulbright Scholar. Nor a Fellow. She was in the Exchange Program. |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 03:12 PM |
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I'm betting it isn't open to just anyone. You have to have a high rating as a teacher |
eridani |
Sep-01-10 08:26 PM |
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I'm betting you don't know what you're talking about. All Fulbrights are competitive, all |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:44 AM |
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k&r. Thanks as always mad |
Jax |
Aug-31-10 02:07 PM |
#46 |
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This incident reveals the absolute propaganda behind this union-busting bullshit |
RainDog |
Aug-31-10 02:21 PM |
#49 |
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Actually, it seems quite the opposite when facts are included. |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Sep-02-10 02:33 PM |
#151 |
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lol. like statistics & research can't be used to lie, cheat & steal. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:48 AM |
#165 |
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As if anecdotes can't be used to lie! |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Sep-03-10 04:54 AM |
#174 |
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yeah, adopting the ideas of the john birch society = "progress". |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 05:46 AM |
#175 |
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Status quo does not equal progress. |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Sep-03-10 06:41 AM |
#176 |
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neither does the John Birch Society's programme for fascism & free markets. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 06:46 AM |
#177 |
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And what of the NAACP? What of La Raza? National League of Cities? Center for American Progress? |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Sep-03-10 07:50 AM |
#178 |
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get back to me when those orgs recommend that bullshit "ratings" of teachers be published in the |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 01:09 PM |
#182 |
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This is disgusting! |
Odin2005 |
Aug-31-10 05:54 PM |
#62 |
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Indeed--that the teacher could not read the study is indeed disgusting. |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 06:15 PM |
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No, the disgusting thing |
HankyDubs |
Sep-01-10 12:34 AM |
#76 |
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She isn't a Fulbright Scholar. Nor a Fellow. |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 03:32 PM |
#105 |
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You don't "trade". You win a Fulbright grant. Then the Fulbright committee sends you to the school |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:59 AM |
#168 |
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My personal involvement |
lolly |
Aug-31-10 06:36 PM |
#68 |
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You point out the dangers with relying just on test data. |
madfloridian |
Aug-31-10 07:00 PM |
#69 |
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Oddly enough, my daughter is a "model" student |
lolly |
Aug-31-10 07:22 PM |
#70 |
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Kick. |
msanthrope |
Aug-31-10 08:52 PM |
#72 |
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WTF is going on with the LA Times |
Ramulux |
Sep-01-10 01:22 AM |
#78 |
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it's not the times by itself. bill gates funded the rand analyst who made up the ratings. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-01-10 03:20 AM |
#81 |
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So has anti-intellectualism taken hold in the teaching profession? |
MrScorpio |
Sep-01-10 07:11 AM |
#85 |
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A note on the OP Title--this teacher IS NOT a Fulbright Scholar!!! |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 03:21 PM |
#103 |
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Are you serious? |
JuniperLea |
Sep-01-10 05:02 PM |
#113 |
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State Department publishes the Fulbrights every year.... |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 05:24 PM |
#117 |
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Trend... |
JuniperLea |
Sep-01-10 05:25 PM |
#118 |
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Indeed. I read another thread that bemoaned the lack of respect |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 05:34 PM |
#119 |
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Well said... |
JuniperLea |
Sep-01-10 05:38 PM |
#120 |
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Well said..thank you, msanthrope. nt |
Cha |
Sep-01-10 06:00 PM |
#122 |
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Fulbright Teacher Exchange |
cate94 |
Sep-01-10 05:56 PM |
#121 |
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Except she wasn't evaluated for 2009-2010 while she was out ... |
Born_A_Truman |
Sep-01-10 06:15 PM |
#124 |
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Interesting how so many teachers missed that... |
JuniperLea |
Sep-01-10 06:27 PM |
#129 |
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The OP's title is "Fulbright Scholarship." |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 06:28 PM |
#130 |
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She was out 2009-2010, but evaluated on 2008-2009 |
Born_A_Truman |
Sep-01-10 06:05 PM |
#123 |
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She completely misread the study, and claimed she |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 06:22 PM |
#127 |
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Good grief. At the very least the OP misunderstood the facts, which doesn't |
DevonRex |
Sep-02-10 10:57 AM |
#150 |
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She one of only 120 winners of the Fulbright Grant for Teachers. There are 1100 Fulbright scholar |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 03:57 AM |
#167 |
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She should sue them. Her reputation has been smeared |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-01-10 06:17 PM |
#125 |
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Sue for what??? |
Born_A_Truman |
Sep-01-10 06:22 PM |
#126 |
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Her record as a teacher was distorted. And she is not the only |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-01-10 06:38 PM |
#132 |
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My husband is teaching his students every day ... |
Born_A_Truman |
Sep-01-10 06:45 PM |
#134 |
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Of course it's possible to teach students every day. I didn't say |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-01-10 07:26 PM |
#136 |
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His students are being educated ... |
Born_A_Truman |
Sep-01-10 08:06 PM |
#139 |
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Suing would only draw more attention to her stupidity...... |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 07:23 PM |
#135 |
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A class action suit is what I hope will result from this. |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-01-10 07:31 PM |
#137 |
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The only CA lawyer stupid enough to take this proposed class action is Orly Taitz. n/t |
msanthrope |
Sep-01-10 08:12 PM |
#141 |
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When are you going to edit your OP? |
Born_A_Truman |
Sep-01-10 06:30 PM |
#131 |
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Excellent question, Truman...why wouldn't |
Cha |
Sep-01-10 06:39 PM |
#133 |
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you would think.... |
Whisp |
Sep-01-10 11:46 PM |
#147 |
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like the charter school brigade has *ever* copped to the failure of *their* hobbyhorse |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 04:10 AM |
#169 |
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too late to unrec for misleading information in OP. Reader beware. |
Whisp |
Sep-01-10 11:52 PM |
#148 |
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1. She didn't have a Fullbright Scholarship. 2. She wasn't evaluated for the year she was out of |
DevonRex |
Sep-02-10 10:54 AM |
#149 |
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blahblahblahblahblah. she got a Fulbright Teachers grant. |
Hannah Bell |
Sep-03-10 04:12 AM |
#170 |
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The war on education- if allowed to continue- leads to only one place- Everyone paying |
JCMach1 |
Sep-03-10 04:40 AM |
#173 |
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My response to the evaluation system |
rpannier |
Sep-03-10 09:20 AM |
#180 |
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