HughMoran
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Sun Aug-29-10 12:03 PM
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I was excoriated for posting a thread with the title "Pragmatic means practical". Seemed like an obvious statement to make, but it really got under the skin of a lot of people.
In the weeks that followed, I read numerous posts where people who had roundly criticized me suddenly were espousing the virtues of 'pragmatism' on the left. It was enough to make my head spin. It really comes down to who's ox is being gored and not much else. All the talk of principal is just another method of saying "my guy's better than yours - nah nah nah nah nah!" When I step back and realize that highly intelligent adults are behind this behavior, I start to get that sick feeling in my stomach - similar to that feeling you get when you find out a good friend was backstabbing you.
We need to get beyond this.
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| -Principles or Pragmatism? Who's Doing What? |
MineralMan |
Aug-29-10 09:27 AM |
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K&R |
NJmaverick |
Aug-29-10 09:34 AM |
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I will not comment on the wisdom of them building it at that location. |
VMI Dem |
Aug-29-10 09:37 AM |
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Indeed. It actually could be a bad idea to build it there, |
MineralMan |
Aug-29-10 09:39 AM |
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I will not comment on Dr. Deans approach. He had the right to say what he did. |
VMI Dem |
Aug-29-10 09:40 AM |
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Of course he did. And his supporters have the right to praise |
MineralMan |
Aug-29-10 09:48 AM |
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Interesting observation |
HughMoran |
Aug-29-10 09:37 AM |
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That may demonstrate that everyone's pragmatic when it |
MineralMan |
Aug-29-10 09:47 AM |
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I agree completely |
HughMoran |
Aug-29-10 12:03 PM |
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k an r for that comment |
DonCoquixote |
Aug-29-10 10:36 AM |
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I have not defended it and I have seen many others who are |
sabrina 1 |
Aug-29-10 03:56 PM |
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Yes, Dean was wrong. |
HughMoran |
Aug-29-10 08:25 PM |
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He did "make bones" about it though-- |
OrwellwasRight |
Aug-29-10 09:44 AM |
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Of course he did...and most people know that. |
VMI Dem |
Aug-29-10 09:48 AM |
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He is a strong advocate of the Constitutional right for people |
MineralMan |
Aug-29-10 09:56 AM |
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He shouldn't be advocating anything except what is Constitutionally required. |
Arkana |
Aug-29-10 10:19 AM |
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how could ne NOT comment? |
DonCoquixote |
Aug-29-10 10:38 AM |
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He could easily have kept silent as he has done on many other issues. |
OrwellwasRight |
Aug-29-10 10:43 AM |
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Every politician must know when to keep silent, |
MineralMan |
Aug-29-10 10:47 AM |
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As President, his job is to use his position to improve the country. |
OrwellwasRight |
Aug-29-10 12:03 PM |
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What principles? In regards to Obama's position, you are presenting facts not in evidence. |
Luminous Animal |
Aug-29-10 09:48 AM |
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"I will not comment on the wisdom". Anyone knows what that means. |
VMI Dem |
Aug-29-10 09:49 AM |
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And there you go putting words in Obama's mouth. |
Arkana |
Aug-29-10 10:20 AM |
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It is not for the President to comment on the wisdom of |
MineralMan |
Aug-29-10 09:53 AM |
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Dean affirmed the right, also. So, on that count, they both stand on principle... |
Luminous Animal |
Aug-29-10 09:56 AM |
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And the dreidel spins and spins. |
MineralMan |
Aug-29-10 09:59 AM |
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Obama stopped where he should have stopped--at standing firm |
Arkana |
Aug-29-10 10:21 AM |
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Exactly. |
MineralMan |
Aug-29-10 10:48 AM |
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If you state the obvious, are you actually doing anything? nt |
EFerrari |
Aug-29-10 12:22 PM |
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Well, given the criticism from the right of what he said, I'd say that he was |
MineralMan |
Aug-29-10 12:26 PM |
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"It's a local issue" is exactly the position politicians took to stay out of |
EFerrari |
Aug-29-10 12:32 PM |
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And that is why it became a federal issue. Because the issue |
MineralMan |
Aug-29-10 12:38 PM |
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That doesn't even make sense. |
EFerrari |
Aug-30-10 02:21 AM |
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Yes, you're stating the obvious and showing that you have an actual regard for the First Amendment |
Arkana |
Aug-29-10 04:10 PM |
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Exactly. And Dean was acting on ethics, not pragmatism anyway. |
EFerrari |
Aug-29-10 12:20 PM |
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I believe that Dr. Dean will in the future look back and regret his words on this subject |
grantcart |
Aug-29-10 10:14 AM |
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I believe you are right. |
MineralMan |
Aug-29-10 10:20 AM |
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very astute observation... |
Peacetrain |
Aug-29-10 10:41 AM |
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Thanks very much. |
MineralMan |
Aug-29-10 10:43 AM |
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Well, there are actual principled people like me... |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Aug-29-10 10:51 AM |
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A lot? I'm not sure what that means, in terms of DU. |
MineralMan |
Aug-29-10 10:59 AM |
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BTW, I'm not criticizing Dr. Dean in this post. He's a fine man |
MineralMan |
Aug-29-10 11:55 AM |
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Principles and pragmatism are not mutually exclusive. nt |
VioletLake |
Aug-29-10 12:32 PM |
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True. They never have been...at least not in our political |
MineralMan |
Aug-29-10 12:39 PM |
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Then what's the point of your topic? |
VioletLake |
Aug-29-10 12:54 PM |
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My point is that some people criticize President Obama, but praise |
MineralMan |
Aug-29-10 01:10 PM |
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Pragmatic and principled (or at least appear to be). |
VioletLake |
Aug-29-10 01:49 PM |
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Right, and they never should be. |
Arkana |
Aug-29-10 04:12 PM |
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I'm so glad that he finally gives a crap about our rights |
txlibdem |
Aug-29-10 01:15 PM |
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You call 99 weeks of unemployment benefits nothing? Really?.. |
Kahuna |
Aug-29-10 03:50 PM |
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Propping up the banks helped nobody but the banks |
txlibdem |
Aug-29-10 06:16 PM |
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Oh yeah, Dean is pragmatic.. |
Cha |
Aug-29-10 01:18 PM |
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Dr Dean is a good Democratic Party soldier. |
bvar22 |
Aug-29-10 01:52 PM |
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Indeed. Seems it's okay to ignore THOSE people THEIR |
Kahuna |
Aug-29-10 03:45 PM |
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