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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 05:37 PM
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77. I always double my tax payment and I wish I could do more.
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  -Berkeley prof to students: 'You have been the victims of a terrible swindle' Newsjock  Aug-23-10 07:36 PM   #0 
  - That's saying it like it is.  CaliforniaPeggy   Aug-23-10 07:39 PM   #1 
  - That pretty much applies to all america  Confusious   Aug-23-10 07:45 PM   #2 
  - We don't have kids  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-23-10 07:49 PM   #4 
  - "An Investment in Education, Pays the Best Dividend" - Benjamin Franklin  slampoet   Aug-23-10 11:43 PM   #11 
  - The GI BIll -- proved the point.  JDPriestly   Aug-24-10 01:44 PM   #61 
     - And who fought the GI Bill?  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-24-10 04:23 PM   #71 
  - I like that  pscot   Aug-24-10 10:48 AM   #47 
  - Oh you welcome  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-24-10 04:22 PM   #70 
  - I call them the dues we pay  drmeow   Aug-24-10 06:01 PM   #87 
  - or how about: education reduces crime?  Merlot   Aug-23-10 07:50 PM   #5 
  - Not always....  markbark   Aug-24-10 07:07 AM   #16 
     - Yes...  kimmylavin   Aug-24-10 11:44 AM   #53 
  - OR people pay for homeowners insurance when they don't  demigoddess   Aug-24-10 04:40 PM   #72 
  - great letter.  Hannah Bell   Aug-23-10 07:49 PM   #3 
  - Indeed  malaise   Aug-23-10 08:39 PM   #8 
     - It sure did. That's what it all boils down to  Ishoutandscream2   Aug-24-10 09:46 AM   #33 
        - you're right and St. Ronnie was brought to us (US)  Carolina   Aug-24-10 10:47 AM   #46 
           - ....and FBI informant.  Grins   Aug-24-10 02:20 PM   #62 
              - an all-around awful guy  Carolina   Aug-25-10 11:13 AM   #106 
  - I share the author's disgust. nt.  Warren Stupidity   Aug-23-10 08:19 PM   #6 
  - Thanks to Howard Jarvis and Prop 13  martymar64   Aug-23-10 08:30 PM   #7 
  - I was living in California when the Prop.13 hysteria begain...  KansDem   Aug-24-10 09:26 AM   #29 
  - every dollar invested in higher education in california returns four dollars...  mike_c   Aug-23-10 09:20 PM   #9 
  - Wow. Is it really that much?  ElectricLightDem   Aug-24-10 09:15 AM   #26 
  - that figure is quoted constantly by both CSU administration and by the faculty union....  mike_c   Aug-24-10 12:43 PM   #57 
     - And even if the return on investment was nil...  liberation   Aug-24-10 04:00 PM   #65 
     - +1  mike_c   Aug-24-10 06:23 PM   #90 
     - Thanks for that  ElectricLightDem   Aug-24-10 05:37 PM   #78 
        - I live near columbia college  musiclawyer   Aug-24-10 06:25 PM   #91 
        - I do not have enough posts to PM you.  ElectricLightDem   Aug-24-10 06:52 PM   #94 
        - best wishes to you....  mike_c   Aug-24-10 06:26 PM   #92 
           - Thanks  ElectricLightDem   Aug-24-10 06:50 PM   #93 
  - Even better than that for the government....  Xithras   Aug-24-10 10:35 AM   #42 
  - Perfect thoughts from a perfect mind, whose analysis has to be....  ooglymoogly   Aug-23-10 11:32 PM   #10 
  - Is anyone else irritated by the comment: "They arent equipped to do their share of the work."  Prometheus Bound   Aug-24-10 01:02 AM   #12 
  - He's clearly talking about the 25% that don't graduate from high school.  PassingFair   Aug-24-10 08:18 AM   #17 
  - When I was a kid, we learned how to read in the first grade. Of course,  valerief   Aug-24-10 08:33 AM   #19 
  - Yes, he makes it quite clear that is the group he is talking about.  Prometheus Bound   Aug-24-10 05:31 PM   #75 
  - Sure, they're equipped...  Wednesdays   Aug-24-10 08:47 AM   #20 
  - Hey, hey, that's an old person's job! Keep away from that, whipper-snapper!  SteveM   Aug-24-10 01:42 PM   #60 
  - As I said above, they are equipped to do many valuable jobs in society.  Prometheus Bound   Aug-24-10 05:38 PM   #79 
  - That one irritates me on multiple levels  slackmaster   Aug-24-10 09:11 AM   #24 
  - I didn't see it that way, so I wasn't bothered.  MedicalAdmin   Aug-24-10 09:55 AM   #36 
  - I don't think the two of you realize your comments tells us more about you..  liberation   Aug-24-10 04:04 PM   #67 
  - Perhaps you could explain what you mean.  Prometheus Bound   Aug-24-10 05:40 PM   #80 
  - Yup.  Prometheus Bound   Aug-24-10 05:59 PM   #86 
  - Really? Tell you what - read a semester's worth of college freshman  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-24-10 09:49 AM   #34 
  - Well, I've taught 3-5 courses a semester for 17 years.  Prometheus Bound   Aug-24-10 05:44 PM   #81 
  - Perhaps the author meant something more diplomatic?  laurel46   Aug-24-10 11:58 AM   #55 
  - I agree with you that he probably meant that.  Prometheus Bound   Aug-24-10 05:47 PM   #82 
  - No, I'm not irritated by that statement. As an employer, I am appalled  bertman   Aug-24-10 12:29 PM   #56 
  - But you don't necessarily need a HS diploma or college degree to follow written instructions.  Prometheus Bound   Aug-24-10 05:50 PM   #83 
     - I agree with your statement that a HS diploma isn't necessary to be  bertman   Aug-24-10 09:48 PM   #98 
  - Not really....  liberation   Aug-24-10 04:02 PM   #66 
  - Oh dear, another cryptic one-liner.  Prometheus Bound   Aug-24-10 05:51 PM   #84 
  - I know many illegal latino workers, all of them are fully literate in their native tongue.  Threedifferentones   Aug-24-10 07:13 PM   #95 
  - He's Referring to "Learned Helplessness"  NashVegas   Aug-24-10 07:48 PM   #97 
  - Social Obligation  Steely_Dan   Aug-24-10 01:17 AM   #13 
  - "they aren't equipped to do their share of the work"?  hfojvt   Aug-24-10 01:22 AM   #14 
  - ...and another part of the swindle is that education itself has become a for-profit business,  old mark   Aug-24-10 01:38 AM   #15 
  - listening to npr, taking son to school today. i told him, my yrs were pure bliss, his ....  seabeyond   Aug-24-10 08:20 AM   #18 
  - That's a long-winded way of saying the only problem in California is that our taxes are too low  slackmaster   Aug-24-10 09:07 AM   #21 
  - Well somebody's taxes are too low. But, I think its those who are doing quite well right now  w4rma   Aug-24-10 09:09 AM   #22 
  - State revenue depends primarily on personal income tax, which means...  slackmaster   Aug-24-10 09:17 AM   #27 
     - How does one encourage the development of jobs? Get more money to regular people who *live* in the  w4rma   Aug-24-10 09:21 AM   #28 
     - The easiest way to "get more money to regular people" is to cut taxes  slackmaster   Aug-24-10 09:28 AM   #30 
        - "spending in the community does not create private-sector jobs"  ProfessorPlum   Aug-24-10 09:44 AM   #32 
           - Spending money in the community requires having money available to spend  slackmaster   Aug-24-10 09:52 AM   #35 
              - Um...that is "spending in the community" and it creates jobs  jeff47   Aug-24-10 11:08 AM   #49 
     - Or perhaps change your tax laws?  MedicalAdmin   Aug-24-10 10:03 AM   #37 
        - So the obvious solution is to raise taxes on the rich, and to raise corporate taxes even higher  slackmaster   Aug-24-10 10:07 AM   #39 
           - I get what you are saying ...  MedicalAdmin   Aug-24-10 10:37 AM   #43 
              - Pardon me, but I'm still not really clear on who in California is getting a free ride from the state  slackmaster   Aug-24-10 10:40 AM   #44 
  - And that is a short-winded way to intellectual dishonesty.  liberation   Aug-24-10 04:07 PM   #68 
     - I'm just a little tired of people on both political extremes trying to blame all of CA's...  slackmaster   Aug-24-10 06:06 PM   #88 
  - K & R nt  laughingliberal   Aug-24-10 09:10 AM   #23 
  - Hrm, and here's me thinking he meant the terrible swindle was higher education.  Brickbat   Aug-24-10 09:15 AM   #25 
  - "... they could do even better by walking away from their obligations and spending ..."  Jim__   Aug-24-10 09:32 AM   #31 
  - "they arent equipped to do their share of the work"  Edweird   Aug-24-10 10:07 AM   #38 
  - I think the point he was trying to make was  av8rdave   Aug-24-10 10:31 AM   #41 
     - I'm not talking about employed/unemployed.  Edweird   Aug-24-10 11:11 AM   #51 
        - Thanks for the clarification  av8rdave   Aug-24-10 11:16 AM   #52 
  - It was more than 30 years ago  xxqqqzme   Aug-24-10 10:18 AM   #40 
  - K&R for stating the obvious, disappointment for needing to. n/t  Greyhound   Aug-24-10 10:46 AM   #45 
  - a good follow up to this  Locrian   Aug-24-10 10:49 AM   #48 
  - I was a California kid when Prop 13 passed. I was SO pissed off at my parents for voting Yes.  Arugula Latte   Aug-24-10 11:11 AM   #50 
  - Did you ever ask your parents WHY they voted yes on 13?  slackmaster   Aug-25-10 08:31 AM   #101 
     - I might have been tempted to vote for it, too  Wednesdays   Aug-25-10 10:17 AM   #102 
     - The only people getting away with "boatloads" now are public employees and unions  slackmaster   Aug-25-10 10:33 AM   #104 
     - My dad just said: "We need to keep our property taxes down."  Arugula Latte   Aug-25-10 12:43 PM   #107 
        - Did you not agree with his answer about property taxes? Also a correction to my #89...  slackmaster   Aug-25-10 03:44 PM   #109 
  - Prop 13 was the wrong remedy to a real problem  bluestateguy   Aug-24-10 11:51 AM   #54 
  - Many other places simply give tax breaks to elderly homeowners  KamaAina   Aug-24-10 01:40 PM   #59 
  - The elderly were not the only ones who were getting soaked in the early to mid-1970s  slackmaster   Aug-25-10 10:35 AM   #105 
  - yet it didn't do a damned thing for these little old ladies.  provis99   Aug-24-10 02:59 PM   #63 
  - Prop. 13. Using the handy distraction of "little old ladies" to justify a massive  Greyhound   Aug-24-10 01:02 PM   #58 
  - My working-class parents experienced a 400% increase in their property tax from 1969 - 1976  slackmaster   Aug-24-10 06:21 PM   #89 
     - Nobody said it wasn't a problem. What was said then, and has been proved completely  Greyhound   Aug-25-10 12:02 AM   #99 
        - If the state us fucked up "forever", there isn't any point in trying to fix it now  slackmaster   Aug-25-10 08:28 AM   #100 
  - california taxpayers have given135billion dollars since 2001 for two wars  madrchsod   Aug-24-10 03:57 PM   #64 
  - Wow. Great letter. nt  abelenkpe   Aug-24-10 04:17 PM   #69 
  - K & R, and posted to my Facebook page.  Raksha   Aug-24-10 05:25 PM   #73 
  - K&R! //nt  Overseas   Aug-24-10 05:29 PM   #74 
  - major kick  Blue_Tires   Aug-24-10 05:31 PM   #76 
  - I always double my tax payment and I wish I could do more.  deaniac21   Aug-24-10 05:37 PM   #77 
  - How do you do that?  Wednesdays   Aug-25-10 10:20 AM   #103 
     - Change your w-4 to hold out more and don't file for a refund.  deaniac21   Aug-26-10 03:20 PM   #110 
  - Just returned from Berkeley, dropping my kids off for the semester. Love it up  wiggs   Aug-24-10 05:55 PM   #85 
  - A very significant piece of writing....should be read by all.  BrklynLiberal   Aug-24-10 07:40 PM   #96 
     - California and Wisconsin were both progressive states at one time,  newspeak   Aug-25-10 12:51 PM   #108 

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