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Sat Aug-21-10 08:29 AM
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| 3. People are poor because they have abandoned the land |
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for the gleaming cities on the hill and easy money. The land requires an investment of sweat and muscle. It requires a dedication to stewardship and a willingness to live with what nature brings your way. It means being willing to take pride in callouses and dirt under the fingernails and to take pleasure in the odor of moist tilled soil. You can't plug these things into a modem or tend them from the shiny blandness of a cubicle. Any yields you get must be from the labor of attending to the needs of the plants and animals in your care, not the steaming heaps of verbal bullshit produced around conference tables and over fiber optic cables. The land is our most valuable asset and is to be treasured. Those of us who claim it, walk it, hold it in our hands, and revel in its mystery and power are often mocked here. I would much rather be a servant of my little patch of earth than to be shackled to industry in its current iteration. I love the soil and if I treat it with respect, it returns much joy to me. Come, dig in the dirt with me. Find the roots that run under it and the creatures crawling through it. Come, learn the pleasure of grass between the toes and stretch your arms up to the canopy of leaves over your head. Come, throw your head back and revel in its rich twinkling ceiling unhidden by artificial light. Come, breath in the sunlight and drink in the riverlets. Come, reclaim the bounty spread out before you. You have thrown so much away in the name of convenience.
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| -People are poor because they have no land. |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 08:10 AM |
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Good, truthful OP |
AnArmyVeteran |
Aug-21-10 08:20 AM |
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Thanks. n/t |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 08:27 AM |
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People are poor because they have abandoned the land |
Skidmore |
Aug-21-10 08:29 AM |
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A beautiful tribute to our natural self. |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 08:36 AM |
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Too true |
tech9413 |
Aug-21-10 08:49 AM |
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They haven't abandoned the land, they were forced off it. |
blindpig |
Aug-21-10 09:12 AM |
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+1000 |
corkhead |
Aug-21-10 10:53 AM |
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Idylic pastoralism is wonderful in theory, |
MadHound |
Aug-21-10 08:32 AM |
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Well I disagree with that completely. |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 08:46 AM |
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First of all, as I've stated, there simply isn't enough arable land in this country |
MadHound |
Aug-21-10 09:01 AM |
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First there are errors in your thinking. |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 09:14 AM |
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No, there are no errors in my thinking, only practical experience |
MadHound |
Aug-21-10 03:34 PM |
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Here are some figures. |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 04:46 PM |
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Yes, you get approximately three acres per person |
MadHound |
Aug-21-10 05:47 PM |
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First a family usually consists of at least 3 people not one. |
zeemike |
Aug-22-10 11:13 AM |
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There are 470 million acres of cultivatable land in the U.S. |
Xithras |
Aug-21-10 03:00 PM |
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Ah the good old days. When the population of this entire country |
david13 |
Aug-21-10 08:48 AM |
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Actually I spent some time reading the history of this country |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 08:57 AM |
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Now you need to update and read the part where the wealth of the |
david13 |
Aug-21-10 09:18 AM |
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Ask the farmers. Farmers don't make any money today. And there |
david13 |
Aug-21-10 09:20 AM |
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Well let me pose this question. |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 09:31 AM |
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I can answer the question. It's rhetorical, not practical. But first, |
david13 |
Aug-21-10 09:42 AM |
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and if you have no gold no one will take it. |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 09:50 AM |
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But if you are poor, if you have no money, how much land can you |
david13 |
Aug-21-10 10:04 AM |
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But that is the question I am asking. |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 10:20 AM |
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I thought the question was "back to the land". Answer. It ain't possible. dc |
david13 |
Aug-21-10 10:28 AM |
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Over-population |
More_liberal_than_mo |
Aug-21-10 09:42 AM |
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Certainly posible. Maybe even probable. dc |
david13 |
Aug-21-10 09:46 AM |
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The AMERICAN Indians thought that LAND ownership was |
Ichingcarpenter |
Aug-21-10 08:51 AM |
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And I agree with them. |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 08:59 AM |
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New Mexico... ahh.... I miss her |
Ichingcarpenter |
Aug-21-10 09:07 AM |
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And the Native Americans continue to sustain themselves |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 09:16 AM |
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My introduction to the Zunis from my 'uncle' |
Ichingcarpenter |
Aug-21-10 09:29 AM |
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Whoa. The primary sustenance of native americans today is: |
david13 |
Aug-21-10 10:27 AM |
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Broke or not they endured all these years because they had land |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 10:42 AM |
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Not really. They survived because they had sustenance. They |
david13 |
Aug-21-10 10:56 AM |
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You are probably not aware of it but |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 11:43 AM |
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Actually, I am. It is known as subsistence farming. Barely eking out |
david13 |
Aug-21-10 02:20 PM |
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I am sure subsistence farming is all boring and useless. to you |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 04:21 PM |
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And we would be poor if we were to turn to subsistence farming. |
david13 |
Aug-21-10 04:32 PM |
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Yet they fought over land and massacred each other over it all the time. |
naaman fletcher |
Aug-21-10 05:14 PM |
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I almost fell for that flaim bait...n/t |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 06:02 PM |
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"when we gave up the land to industry" |
Indydem |
Aug-21-10 09:04 AM |
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It is the attitude that land is a tool that is the problem. |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 09:24 AM |
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Baloney. Look at Rhodesia/Zimbabwe and land redistribution -- |
elehhhhna |
Aug-21-10 09:12 AM |
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Baloney |
Ichingcarpenter |
Aug-21-10 09:19 AM |
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Better yet look at how it became Rhodesia. |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 09:43 AM |
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I'll tell you what's frustating to me, as someone trying to sell a home... |
pipi_k |
Aug-21-10 10:03 AM |
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I don't believe this would work without a certain amount of depopulation |
el_bryanto |
Aug-21-10 10:06 AM |
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Not everyone need live on a farm to be self sustaining. |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 10:30 AM |
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just previewed some 400K homes in my area |
Donnachaidh |
Aug-21-10 10:06 AM |
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A must read or those interested in this topic: Earth Democracy nt |
wiggs |
Aug-21-10 10:13 AM |
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40 acres and a mule..... |
a kennedy |
Aug-21-10 10:22 AM |
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And imagine what would happen if we did it now? |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 10:37 AM |
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A little bit of heaven on earth. |
tourivers83 |
Aug-21-10 10:57 AM |
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That sounds like a wonderful life. |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 11:45 AM |
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ah the good old days. |
naaman fletcher |
Aug-21-10 02:30 PM |
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No false dichotomies please. |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 04:24 PM |
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they go hand in hand. |
naaman fletcher |
Aug-21-10 05:08 PM |
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Difficult work can be rewarding. |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 05:39 PM |
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The OP Proves That Regressive Thinking and Nostalgia for the Past |
Yavin4 |
Aug-21-10 04:41 PM |
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Fair enough comment. |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 04:58 PM |
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Back When We All Had Land |
Yavin4 |
Aug-21-10 05:11 PM |
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+1 completely agree with this post. n/t |
taught_me_patience |
Aug-21-10 05:50 PM |
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Not at all |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 05:54 PM |
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I completely and totally disagree with this |
taught_me_patience |
Aug-21-10 05:50 PM |
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Not everyone wants or needs it. |
zeemike |
Aug-21-10 05:58 PM |
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