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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 08:13 PM
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131. Some on this thread cite the First Amendment as a reason to shut down Howard Dean along with anyone
who dares to agree with him.

Neat. Incredibly dishonest, but neat. Dishonest because Dean didn't call for the government to stop this mosque, he merely appealed to common decency among its sponsors.

Good luck with that.
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  -Dean Stands By Mosque Remarks, Charges Liberal Critics With Being Inflexible still_one  Aug-19-10 12:02 AM   #0 
  - When Dean said that getting rid of Saddam Hussein wouldn't do much good he was savaged  dkf   Aug-19-10 12:09 AM   #1 
  - The obvious truth here is prejudice against Muslims. The same prejudice I experienced  still_one   Aug-19-10 12:17 AM   #3 
  - +1  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-19-10 12:23 AM   #5 
  - You may not be kidding but you pulled it out of your ass.  Jim Sagle   Aug-19-10 12:37 AM   #7 
     - Yep I did  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-19-10 12:40 AM   #11 
     - I am not kidding when I say I experienced prejudice growing up in the midwest  still_one   Aug-19-10 12:42 AM   #13 
        - Consider that your stance on this issue may help resurrect it.  Jim Sagle   Aug-20-10 07:36 PM   #147 
           - You are blaming a victim of bigotry and abuse for bigotry and abuse. Classy. What else  Maru Kitteh   Aug-21-10 03:31 AM   #151 
              - Seek help.  Jim Sagle   Aug-21-10 03:32 AM   #152 
  - Well he has the right to further tear this country apart.  dkf   Aug-19-10 12:39 AM   #10 
  - He isn't tearing the country apart, it is those 20% that believe Obama is a muslim  still_one   Aug-19-10 12:45 AM   #14 
  - No - it's not just 20%  leftynyc   Aug-19-10 07:33 AM   #80 
  - Should the Mosque in the Pentagon 80 feet from where the plane struck  Winterblues   Aug-19-10 11:00 AM   #89 
  - +1  Crystal Clarity   Aug-19-10 11:44 AM   #99 
  - I don't think any mosque should be in the Pentagon. I'm not comfortable with any religious  riderinthestorm   Aug-19-10 01:02 PM   #107 
  - No - and I think Park51 should be built  leftynyc   Aug-19-10 03:06 PM   #123 
     - Yes they are. Bigoted actions make the actor a bigot.  Maru Kitteh   Aug-21-10 03:48 AM   #153 
  - video for you on the Cordoba House. No, we can't put that to rest  uppityperson   Aug-19-10 02:08 PM   #118 
     - So you think Howard Dean is a bigot? (n/t)  leftynyc   Aug-19-10 03:07 PM   #124 
        - On this? He is wrong and supporting a bigoted take.  uppityperson   Aug-19-10 09:19 PM   #136 
           - I disagree  leftynyc   Aug-20-10 04:47 AM   #144 
              - What reservations do you have about it?  Violet_Crumble   Aug-21-10 02:04 AM   #150 
              - Yes they do. And the idea that the people who are being subjected to bigotry  Raineyb   Aug-21-10 07:37 AM   #160 
  - It makes me want to ask those here supporting  JerseygirlCT   Aug-19-10 07:43 AM   #85 
     - The difference is that we only get one president.  FBaggins   Aug-19-10 02:05 PM   #117 
  - The only people tearing the country apart are the bigots  Caliman73   Aug-19-10 12:49 AM   #17 
  - Absolutely right.  coti   Aug-19-10 01:20 AM   #43 
  - Thanks  Caliman73   Aug-19-10 01:39 AM   #48 
  - You have no sympathy for them because they do not think as you do.  dkf   Aug-19-10 03:40 AM   #60 
     - You realize MUSLIMS died that day too?  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-19-10 10:45 AM   #87 
     - bigotry defense FAIL.  dionysus   Aug-19-10 11:46 AM   #100 
     - this short vid on the Cordoba house says it well  uppityperson   Aug-19-10 02:10 PM   #119 
     - Stick to your day job.  Caliman73   Aug-19-10 06:03 PM   #128 
  - He is the one being attacked and HE is the one 'tearing the  sabrina 1   Aug-21-10 04:28 AM   #157 
  - I agree !  steve2470   Aug-19-10 12:54 AM   #21 
  - What bothered me more was his broad statement that Muslims in Iran are in the 12th century.  Radical Activist   Aug-19-10 03:31 AM   #59 
  - Yes it does describe the entire country.  seattleblue   Aug-19-10 04:45 AM   #62 
     - Your generalization is deeply insulting to those Iranians  Radical Activist   Aug-19-10 04:54 AM   #63 
     - I agree  JonLP24   Aug-19-10 05:20 AM   #65 
        - I hope so.  Radical Activist   Aug-19-10 11:16 AM   #91 
     - Have you been to Iran?  JonLP24   Aug-19-10 05:16 AM   #64 
     - No I have not been to Iran.  seattleblue   Aug-19-10 12:22 PM   #102 
     - correct  CTLawGuy   Aug-19-10 06:32 AM   #70 
  - Absolutely! nt  JerseygirlCT   Aug-19-10 07:41 AM   #83 
  - The time to have spoken up about it was when it was going through  Alameda   Aug-19-10 01:42 AM   #49 
  - If that was the only mosque they were targeting you might  sabrina 1   Aug-19-10 01:48 AM   #51 
  - what is this "awfulness" you speak of?  mdmc   Aug-19-10 06:34 AM   #71 
  - No one had a problem with it 6 months ago.  Connie_Corleone   Aug-19-10 06:49 AM   #73 
  - it's famazing how open about their bigotry people are on this issue.  dionysus   Aug-19-10 11:20 AM   #92 
  - The left isn't always right. Dean understands that.  Jim Sagle   Aug-19-10 12:16 AM   #2 
  - and neither is Dean. By the way, this has nothing to do with left or right  still_one   Aug-19-10 12:33 AM   #6 
  - +100  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-19-10 12:41 AM   #12 
  - amazing then that Dean is on the side of prejudice  hfojvt   Aug-19-10 01:19 AM   #42 
  - You would have thrown a shit fit if Obama had said the same thing.  Radical Activist   Aug-19-10 02:12 AM   #54 
  - No, actually Id've agreed with Obama if he'd said the same thing.  Jim Sagle   Aug-21-10 01:55 AM   #148 
  - religious bigotry rawwwks!!!!  dionysus   Aug-19-10 11:21 AM   #93 
     - As does your kneejerk defense of it.  Jim Sagle   Aug-21-10 01:56 AM   #149 
        - Aren't YOU the one who is defending bigotry?  Raineyb   Aug-21-10 09:08 AM   #162 
  - The media will never miss an opportunity to try to make hay  EFerrari   Aug-19-10 12:20 AM   #4 
  - This isn't the media, this is Dean. bush didn't comment, dean did. It is obviously his view  still_one   Aug-19-10 12:38 AM   #8 
  - Dean didn't attack the left as Sam's headline suggests.  EFerrari   Aug-19-10 12:57 AM   #28 
     - Your double standard here is astounding.  Radical Activist   Aug-19-10 02:04 AM   #53 
        - Setting aside your lame personal attack, did I miss where Dean  EFerrari   Aug-19-10 02:20 AM   #55 
        - You never seem worried about finding accurate quotes and sources when it comes to attacking Obama.  Radical Activist   Aug-19-10 02:42 AM   #56 
           - If you've never seen me try to verify information  EFerrari   Aug-19-10 02:46 AM   #57 
              - Coincidentally,  Radical Activist   Aug-19-10 04:27 AM   #61 
                 - +1000 nt  DevonRex   Aug-19-10 11:01 AM   #90 
                 - And precisely my point: you are not careful  EFerrari   Aug-19-10 11:39 AM   #98 
                 - You linked a defense  Radical Activist   Aug-19-10 01:38 PM   #114 
                    - The very post you link to refutes your own point.  EFerrari   Aug-19-10 02:49 PM   #122 
                 - Doesn't matter if it's factual  Cha   Aug-19-10 12:23 PM   #103 
        - did you just now realize this?  dionysus   Aug-19-10 11:24 AM   #95 
           - So, you're agreeing with sloppy and wrong?  EFerrari   Aug-19-10 12:21 PM   #101 
              - ROFL.... you campaign against democrats daily, and *I* am the one that shouldn't be around voters?  dionysus   Aug-19-10 12:41 PM   #104 
  - Ha ha ha ha ha you didn't seem to criticize the hay-making that was done last week  LoZoccolo   Aug-19-10 12:56 AM   #27 
  - I'm missing the part where he said liberals are being inflexible.  Marr   Aug-19-10 12:39 AM   #9 
  - That isn't my headline, that is the huffingtonpost. If it is inaccurate  still_one   Aug-19-10 12:47 AM   #16 
     - Do you agree that it's inaccurate?  Marr   Aug-19-10 12:52 AM   #19 
        - No, because I don't know. However, I do know within the article  still_one   Aug-19-10 12:55 AM   #24 
           - Fair enough.  Marr   Aug-19-10 12:58 AM   #30 
              - It is good to be suspicious, and question everything. It is very hard to decipher  still_one   Aug-19-10 01:09 AM   #37 
  - I agree with him.  Waiting For Everyman   Aug-19-10 12:47 AM   #15 
  - They got the permit a year ago. There is a mosque already in the area  still_one   Aug-19-10 12:52 AM   #18 
  - I understand this particular building was already permitted,  Waiting For Everyman   Aug-19-10 01:17 AM   #41 
  - When they filed over a year ago  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-19-10 12:53 AM   #20 
  - Thank you!!! This is just being drummed up in to an issue  Alameda   Aug-19-10 01:46 AM   #50 
  - you do know that when this community center was first proposed, there was no opposition to it?  niyad   Aug-19-10 12:55 AM   #23 
  - They have permits. They have gone through all of the legal processes.  Caliman73   Aug-19-10 01:03 AM   #33 
  - Dean is being a fool here  Uzybone   Aug-19-10 12:54 AM   #22 
  - In regards to prejudice there is no moderation. It is like being a little bit pregnant  still_one   Aug-19-10 01:05 AM   #35 
  - Nobody likes the left this week. No one at all.  madfloridian   Aug-19-10 12:56 AM   #25 
  - Read what he actually says before you make those calls.  EFerrari   Aug-19-10 12:59 AM   #31 
  - No one has ever fallen so far so fast in my estimation  carolinayellowdog   Aug-19-10 06:08 AM   #66 
  - Yep. The "professional left" bashers here should note that Dean is pandering to the RIGHT on this  Hello_Kitty   Aug-19-10 08:21 PM   #132 
  - Mr. Dean I would like to introduce you to Mr. Ted Olson.  grantcart   Aug-19-10 12:56 AM   #26 
  - That damn liberal ted olson, also joe Scarborough and others  still_one   Aug-19-10 01:01 AM   #32 
  - Dean understands this is not only a constitutional issue,  EmeraldCityGrl   Aug-19-10 12:58 AM   #29 
  - How would you feel if a year ago you were given a permit for a building, and then told  still_one   Aug-19-10 01:04 AM   #34 
  - Perhaps  Caliman73   Aug-19-10 01:09 AM   #36 
  - excellent analogy ! nt  steve2470   Aug-19-10 01:11 AM   #38 
  - Boy that cut right to chase, excellent analogy /nt  still_one   Aug-19-10 01:13 AM   #39 
  - brilliant. Simple, yet so apt.  Uzybone   Aug-19-10 01:23 AM   #44 
  - Best analogy yet, and it's exactly right!  Withywindle   Aug-19-10 01:26 AM   #45 
  - A better analogy would be  woo me with science   Aug-19-10 06:21 AM   #69 
     - It is not insensitivity.  Caliman73   Aug-19-10 10:43 AM   #86 
  - Muslims aren't "real human beings struggling with grief issues and deep wounds"?  NYC Liberal   Aug-19-10 02:50 AM   #58 
  - Sarcasm and condescending comments add nothing of value  EmeraldCityGrl   Aug-19-10 01:19 PM   #109 
     - I was not being sarcastic or condescending.  NYC Liberal   Aug-19-10 01:33 PM   #113 
  - Oh Please, this is about real humans struggling with their bigotry.  MadBadger   Aug-19-10 06:37 AM   #72 
  - How far is far enough? The center will not be ON ground zero. It will  Kahuna   Aug-19-10 01:01 PM   #105 
  - I understand that, but.......  CrownPrinceBandar   Aug-19-10 01:19 PM   #110 
  - Beautifully stated. Dean missed an opportunity to educate on this issue,  glitch   Aug-19-10 06:39 PM   #130 
  - A missed opportunity to roll over to bigots having a temper tantrum  TheKentuckian   Aug-19-10 01:28 PM   #111 
  - No. Their grief does not entitle them to be bigots. The people who want to build this center do  Raineyb   Aug-19-10 09:15 PM   #135 
  - An opportunity to bring the country together,  hay rick   Aug-19-10 01:14 AM   #40 
  - Perhaps he is returning to his Republican roots.  HuckleB   Aug-19-10 01:27 AM   #46 
  - et tu, deano?  Hannah Bell   Aug-19-10 01:32 AM   #47 
  - Yeah. That too.  bunkerbuster1   Aug-19-10 07:19 AM   #76 
  - Dean was always a centrist, despite the Lakoffian framing for liberals.  Radical Activist   Aug-19-10 01:52 AM   #52 
  - He's right. I'm inflexible when it comes to Constitutional rights.  mmonk   Aug-19-10 06:15 AM   #67 
  - Inflexible. Yes. Exactly. The constitiution IS inflexible.  piratefish08   Aug-19-10 06:19 AM   #68 
  - Et tu, Howard?  bunkerbuster1   Aug-19-10 07:18 AM   #74 
  - Is he angling for Robert Gibbs's job? nt  geek tragedy   Aug-19-10 07:19 AM   #75 
  - How are his hippie-punching skillz?  bunkerbuster1   Aug-19-10 07:25 AM   #77 
  - Inflexible? Really?  lunatica   Aug-19-10 07:27 AM   #78 
  - Inflexible? Really?  lunatica   Aug-19-10 07:29 AM   #79 
  - K&+R  Senator   Aug-19-10 07:38 AM   #81 
  - I was really shocked and saddened to hear Dean saying this  JerseygirlCT   Aug-19-10 07:41 AM   #82 
  - Is it "Take Potshots at Liberals" Month or something?  marmar   Aug-19-10 07:43 AM   #84 
  - He's not even making any sense. There IS no flexibility here. This is the land they own.  DevonRex   Aug-19-10 10:58 AM   #88 
  - well, watch some pure bigotry get pulled out of rear ends to justify this shit!  dionysus   Aug-19-10 11:27 AM   #96 
  - Amazing what gets pulled out of there sometimes.  DevonRex   Aug-19-10 11:38 AM   #97 
  - The don't own the land. Con Ed owns 51 Park Place.  seattleblue   Aug-20-10 01:08 AM   #143 
  - He's messing with some of the Republicans I would guess.  RandomThoughts   Aug-19-10 11:22 AM   #94 
  - Dean is right, why is THIS site so important for the Islamic Center  JCMach1   Aug-19-10 01:02 PM   #106 
  - They had the permit granted and now they are being questioned because of bigotry  SemiCharmedQuark   Aug-19-10 01:11 PM   #108 
  - I still can't believe people didn't think it was going to royally piss people off  JCMach1   Aug-19-10 01:31 PM   #112 
     - Why the fuck are you defending this shit? This is straight up bigotry. And none of the excuses  Raineyb   Aug-20-10 02:20 PM   #145 
        - Isn't an underground MALL planned ON the GZ site?  Karenina   Aug-20-10 03:23 PM   #146 
           - I will admit to not paying all that much attention to the plans because I found it all rather  Raineyb   Aug-21-10 07:51 AM   #161 
  - What if it was a black church in a white nieghborhood?  Sea Witch   Aug-19-10 01:54 PM   #116 
  - +1000  Kahuna   Aug-19-10 02:10 PM   #120 
  - It's not for you to ask!  coti   Aug-19-10 06:10 PM   #129 
  - I am surprised and disappointed by his remarks  Sea Witch   Aug-19-10 01:45 PM   #115 
  - And Dean is still fucking wrong. There is no flexibility when it comes to dealing with bigots.  Raineyb   Aug-19-10 02:22 PM   #121 
  - This is so disappointing.  rucky   Aug-19-10 03:10 PM   #125 
  - Showing flexibility with racists and right-wing Republicans has never worked out very well  Better Believe It   Aug-19-10 03:23 PM   #126 
  - More fun bipartisanship....  readmoreoften   Aug-21-10 04:10 AM   #156 
  - He needs to read the constitution.  krabigirl   Aug-19-10 03:24 PM   #127 
  - Some on this thread cite the First Amendment as a reason to shut down Howard Dean along with anyone  Jim Sagle   Aug-19-10 08:13 PM   #131 
  - How is 'common decency' not a dishonest argument?  pinboy3niner   Aug-19-10 08:47 PM   #134 
  - no, you can espouse all the bigotry you want... no one's stopping you jim. you just called bigotry  dionysus   Aug-19-10 10:05 PM   #138 
  - On the contrary, you just labelled common decency "bigotry." So THERE!  Jim Sagle   Aug-20-10 12:12 AM   #142 
  - Just as nearly a century of American foriegn policy  Karenina   Aug-21-10 06:19 AM   #159 
  - Who here has advocated the government silencing Dean on this subject?  Fumesucker   Aug-21-10 05:48 AM   #158 
  - I think the irony meter just exploded.  Arkana   Aug-19-10 08:38 PM   #133 
  - I tend to be a bit "inflexible" on that whole "First Amendment thing".  hatrack   Aug-19-10 09:35 PM   #137 
  - me thinks....  unkachuck   Aug-19-10 10:21 PM   #139 
  - +1  donheld   Aug-19-10 11:09 PM   #140 
  - Dean...digs deeper. Shameful.  western mass   Aug-19-10 11:25 PM   #141 
  - I aint very flexable when it comes to the constitution...  Supply Side Jesus   Aug-21-10 04:02 AM   #154 
  - Basically why I'm skeptical of all the Democratic candidates. The only solid iberal  readmoreoften   Aug-21-10 04:09 AM   #155 
 

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