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Thu Aug-19-10 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #114 |
| 122. The very post you link to refutes your own point. |
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I understand wanting to make me wrong but, wow.
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| -Dean Stands By Mosque Remarks, Charges Liberal Critics With Being Inflexible |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 12:02 AM |
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When Dean said that getting rid of Saddam Hussein wouldn't do much good he was savaged |
dkf |
Aug-19-10 12:09 AM |
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The obvious truth here is prejudice against Muslims. The same prejudice I experienced |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 12:17 AM |
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+1 |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-19-10 12:23 AM |
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You may not be kidding but you pulled it out of your ass. |
Jim Sagle |
Aug-19-10 12:37 AM |
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Yep I did |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-19-10 12:40 AM |
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I am not kidding when I say I experienced prejudice growing up in the midwest |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 12:42 AM |
#13 |
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Consider that your stance on this issue may help resurrect it. |
Jim Sagle |
Aug-20-10 07:36 PM |
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You are blaming a victim of bigotry and abuse for bigotry and abuse. Classy. What else |
Maru Kitteh |
Aug-21-10 03:31 AM |
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Seek help. |
Jim Sagle |
Aug-21-10 03:32 AM |
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Well he has the right to further tear this country apart. |
dkf |
Aug-19-10 12:39 AM |
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He isn't tearing the country apart, it is those 20% that believe Obama is a muslim |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 12:45 AM |
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No - it's not just 20% |
leftynyc |
Aug-19-10 07:33 AM |
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Should the Mosque in the Pentagon 80 feet from where the plane struck |
Winterblues |
Aug-19-10 11:00 AM |
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+1 |
Crystal Clarity |
Aug-19-10 11:44 AM |
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I don't think any mosque should be in the Pentagon. I'm not comfortable with any religious |
riderinthestorm |
Aug-19-10 01:02 PM |
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No - and I think Park51 should be built |
leftynyc |
Aug-19-10 03:06 PM |
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Yes they are. Bigoted actions make the actor a bigot. |
Maru Kitteh |
Aug-21-10 03:48 AM |
#153 |
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video for you on the Cordoba House. No, we can't put that to rest |
uppityperson |
Aug-19-10 02:08 PM |
#118 |
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So you think Howard Dean is a bigot? (n/t) |
leftynyc |
Aug-19-10 03:07 PM |
#124 |
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On this? He is wrong and supporting a bigoted take. |
uppityperson |
Aug-19-10 09:19 PM |
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I disagree |
leftynyc |
Aug-20-10 04:47 AM |
#144 |
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What reservations do you have about it? |
Violet_Crumble |
Aug-21-10 02:04 AM |
#150 |
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Yes they do. And the idea that the people who are being subjected to bigotry |
Raineyb |
Aug-21-10 07:37 AM |
#160 |
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It makes me want to ask those here supporting |
JerseygirlCT |
Aug-19-10 07:43 AM |
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The difference is that we only get one president. |
FBaggins |
Aug-19-10 02:05 PM |
#117 |
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The only people tearing the country apart are the bigots |
Caliman73 |
Aug-19-10 12:49 AM |
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Absolutely right. |
coti |
Aug-19-10 01:20 AM |
#43 |
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Thanks |
Caliman73 |
Aug-19-10 01:39 AM |
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You have no sympathy for them because they do not think as you do. |
dkf |
Aug-19-10 03:40 AM |
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You realize MUSLIMS died that day too? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-19-10 10:45 AM |
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bigotry defense FAIL. |
dionysus |
Aug-19-10 11:46 AM |
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this short vid on the Cordoba house says it well |
uppityperson |
Aug-19-10 02:10 PM |
#119 |
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Stick to your day job. |
Caliman73 |
Aug-19-10 06:03 PM |
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He is the one being attacked and HE is the one 'tearing the |
sabrina 1 |
Aug-21-10 04:28 AM |
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I agree ! |
steve2470 |
Aug-19-10 12:54 AM |
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What bothered me more was his broad statement that Muslims in Iran are in the 12th century. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-19-10 03:31 AM |
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Yes it does describe the entire country. |
seattleblue |
Aug-19-10 04:45 AM |
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Your generalization is deeply insulting to those Iranians |
Radical Activist |
Aug-19-10 04:54 AM |
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I agree |
JonLP24 |
Aug-19-10 05:20 AM |
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I hope so. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-19-10 11:16 AM |
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Have you been to Iran? |
JonLP24 |
Aug-19-10 05:16 AM |
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No I have not been to Iran. |
seattleblue |
Aug-19-10 12:22 PM |
#102 |
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correct |
CTLawGuy |
Aug-19-10 06:32 AM |
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Absolutely! nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Aug-19-10 07:41 AM |
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The time to have spoken up about it was when it was going through |
Alameda |
Aug-19-10 01:42 AM |
#49 |
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If that was the only mosque they were targeting you might |
sabrina 1 |
Aug-19-10 01:48 AM |
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what is this "awfulness" you speak of? |
mdmc |
Aug-19-10 06:34 AM |
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No one had a problem with it 6 months ago. |
Connie_Corleone |
Aug-19-10 06:49 AM |
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it's famazing how open about their bigotry people are on this issue. |
dionysus |
Aug-19-10 11:20 AM |
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The left isn't always right. Dean understands that. |
Jim Sagle |
Aug-19-10 12:16 AM |
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and neither is Dean. By the way, this has nothing to do with left or right |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 12:33 AM |
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+100 |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-19-10 12:41 AM |
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amazing then that Dean is on the side of prejudice |
hfojvt |
Aug-19-10 01:19 AM |
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You would have thrown a shit fit if Obama had said the same thing. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-19-10 02:12 AM |
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No, actually Id've agreed with Obama if he'd said the same thing. |
Jim Sagle |
Aug-21-10 01:55 AM |
#148 |
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religious bigotry rawwwks!!!! |
dionysus |
Aug-19-10 11:21 AM |
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As does your kneejerk defense of it. |
Jim Sagle |
Aug-21-10 01:56 AM |
#149 |
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Aren't YOU the one who is defending bigotry? |
Raineyb |
Aug-21-10 09:08 AM |
#162 |
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The media will never miss an opportunity to try to make hay |
EFerrari |
Aug-19-10 12:20 AM |
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This isn't the media, this is Dean. bush didn't comment, dean did. It is obviously his view |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 12:38 AM |
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Dean didn't attack the left as Sam's headline suggests. |
EFerrari |
Aug-19-10 12:57 AM |
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Your double standard here is astounding. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-19-10 02:04 AM |
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Setting aside your lame personal attack, did I miss where Dean |
EFerrari |
Aug-19-10 02:20 AM |
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You never seem worried about finding accurate quotes and sources when it comes to attacking Obama. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-19-10 02:42 AM |
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If you've never seen me try to verify information |
EFerrari |
Aug-19-10 02:46 AM |
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Coincidentally, |
Radical Activist |
Aug-19-10 04:27 AM |
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+1000 nt |
DevonRex |
Aug-19-10 11:01 AM |
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And precisely my point: you are not careful |
EFerrari |
Aug-19-10 11:39 AM |
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You linked a defense |
Radical Activist |
Aug-19-10 01:38 PM |
#114 |
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The very post you link to refutes your own point. |
EFerrari |
Aug-19-10 02:49 PM |
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Doesn't matter if it's factual |
Cha |
Aug-19-10 12:23 PM |
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did you just now realize this? |
dionysus |
Aug-19-10 11:24 AM |
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So, you're agreeing with sloppy and wrong? |
EFerrari |
Aug-19-10 12:21 PM |
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ROFL.... you campaign against democrats daily, and *I* am the one that shouldn't be around voters? |
dionysus |
Aug-19-10 12:41 PM |
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Ha ha ha ha ha you didn't seem to criticize the hay-making that was done last week |
LoZoccolo |
Aug-19-10 12:56 AM |
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I'm missing the part where he said liberals are being inflexible. |
Marr |
Aug-19-10 12:39 AM |
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That isn't my headline, that is the huffingtonpost. If it is inaccurate |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 12:47 AM |
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Do you agree that it's inaccurate? |
Marr |
Aug-19-10 12:52 AM |
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No, because I don't know. However, I do know within the article |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 12:55 AM |
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Fair enough. |
Marr |
Aug-19-10 12:58 AM |
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It is good to be suspicious, and question everything. It is very hard to decipher |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 01:09 AM |
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I agree with him. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Aug-19-10 12:47 AM |
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They got the permit a year ago. There is a mosque already in the area |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 12:52 AM |
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I understand this particular building was already permitted, |
Waiting For Everyman |
Aug-19-10 01:17 AM |
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When they filed over a year ago |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-19-10 12:53 AM |
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Thank you!!! This is just being drummed up in to an issue |
Alameda |
Aug-19-10 01:46 AM |
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you do know that when this community center was first proposed, there was no opposition to it? |
niyad |
Aug-19-10 12:55 AM |
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They have permits. They have gone through all of the legal processes. |
Caliman73 |
Aug-19-10 01:03 AM |
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Dean is being a fool here |
Uzybone |
Aug-19-10 12:54 AM |
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In regards to prejudice there is no moderation. It is like being a little bit pregnant |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 01:05 AM |
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Nobody likes the left this week. No one at all. |
madfloridian |
Aug-19-10 12:56 AM |
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Read what he actually says before you make those calls. |
EFerrari |
Aug-19-10 12:59 AM |
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No one has ever fallen so far so fast in my estimation |
carolinayellowdog |
Aug-19-10 06:08 AM |
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Yep. The "professional left" bashers here should note that Dean is pandering to the RIGHT on this |
Hello_Kitty |
Aug-19-10 08:21 PM |
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Mr. Dean I would like to introduce you to Mr. Ted Olson. |
grantcart |
Aug-19-10 12:56 AM |
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That damn liberal ted olson, also joe Scarborough and others |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 01:01 AM |
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Dean understands this is not only a constitutional issue, |
EmeraldCityGrl |
Aug-19-10 12:58 AM |
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How would you feel if a year ago you were given a permit for a building, and then told |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 01:04 AM |
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Perhaps |
Caliman73 |
Aug-19-10 01:09 AM |
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excellent analogy ! nt |
steve2470 |
Aug-19-10 01:11 AM |
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Boy that cut right to chase, excellent analogy /nt |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 01:13 AM |
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brilliant. Simple, yet so apt. |
Uzybone |
Aug-19-10 01:23 AM |
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Best analogy yet, and it's exactly right! |
Withywindle |
Aug-19-10 01:26 AM |
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A better analogy would be |
woo me with science |
Aug-19-10 06:21 AM |
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It is not insensitivity. |
Caliman73 |
Aug-19-10 10:43 AM |
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Muslims aren't "real human beings struggling with grief issues and deep wounds"? |
NYC Liberal |
Aug-19-10 02:50 AM |
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Sarcasm and condescending comments add nothing of value |
EmeraldCityGrl |
Aug-19-10 01:19 PM |
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I was not being sarcastic or condescending. |
NYC Liberal |
Aug-19-10 01:33 PM |
#113 |
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Oh Please, this is about real humans struggling with their bigotry. |
MadBadger |
Aug-19-10 06:37 AM |
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How far is far enough? The center will not be ON ground zero. It will |
Kahuna |
Aug-19-10 01:01 PM |
#105 |
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I understand that, but....... |
CrownPrinceBandar |
Aug-19-10 01:19 PM |
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Beautifully stated. Dean missed an opportunity to educate on this issue, |
glitch |
Aug-19-10 06:39 PM |
#130 |
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A missed opportunity to roll over to bigots having a temper tantrum |
TheKentuckian |
Aug-19-10 01:28 PM |
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No. Their grief does not entitle them to be bigots. The people who want to build this center do |
Raineyb |
Aug-19-10 09:15 PM |
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An opportunity to bring the country together, |
hay rick |
Aug-19-10 01:14 AM |
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Perhaps he is returning to his Republican roots. |
HuckleB |
Aug-19-10 01:27 AM |
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et tu, deano? |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-19-10 01:32 AM |
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Yeah. That too. |
bunkerbuster1 |
Aug-19-10 07:19 AM |
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Dean was always a centrist, despite the Lakoffian framing for liberals. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-19-10 01:52 AM |
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He's right. I'm inflexible when it comes to Constitutional rights. |
mmonk |
Aug-19-10 06:15 AM |
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Inflexible. Yes. Exactly. The constitiution IS inflexible. |
piratefish08 |
Aug-19-10 06:19 AM |
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Et tu, Howard? |
bunkerbuster1 |
Aug-19-10 07:18 AM |
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Is he angling for Robert Gibbs's job? nt |
geek tragedy |
Aug-19-10 07:19 AM |
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How are his hippie-punching skillz? |
bunkerbuster1 |
Aug-19-10 07:25 AM |
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Inflexible? Really? |
lunatica |
Aug-19-10 07:27 AM |
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Inflexible? Really? |
lunatica |
Aug-19-10 07:29 AM |
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K&+R |
Senator |
Aug-19-10 07:38 AM |
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I was really shocked and saddened to hear Dean saying this |
JerseygirlCT |
Aug-19-10 07:41 AM |
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Is it "Take Potshots at Liberals" Month or something? |
marmar |
Aug-19-10 07:43 AM |
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He's not even making any sense. There IS no flexibility here. This is the land they own. |
DevonRex |
Aug-19-10 10:58 AM |
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well, watch some pure bigotry get pulled out of rear ends to justify this shit! |
dionysus |
Aug-19-10 11:27 AM |
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Amazing what gets pulled out of there sometimes. |
DevonRex |
Aug-19-10 11:38 AM |
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The don't own the land. Con Ed owns 51 Park Place. |
seattleblue |
Aug-20-10 01:08 AM |
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He's messing with some of the Republicans I would guess. |
RandomThoughts |
Aug-19-10 11:22 AM |
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Dean is right, why is THIS site so important for the Islamic Center |
JCMach1 |
Aug-19-10 01:02 PM |
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They had the permit granted and now they are being questioned because of bigotry |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Aug-19-10 01:11 PM |
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I still can't believe people didn't think it was going to royally piss people off |
JCMach1 |
Aug-19-10 01:31 PM |
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Why the fuck are you defending this shit? This is straight up bigotry. And none of the excuses |
Raineyb |
Aug-20-10 02:20 PM |
#145 |
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Isn't an underground MALL planned ON the GZ site? |
Karenina |
Aug-20-10 03:23 PM |
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I will admit to not paying all that much attention to the plans because I found it all rather |
Raineyb |
Aug-21-10 07:51 AM |
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What if it was a black church in a white nieghborhood? |
Sea Witch |
Aug-19-10 01:54 PM |
#116 |
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+1000 |
Kahuna |
Aug-19-10 02:10 PM |
#120 |
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It's not for you to ask! |
coti |
Aug-19-10 06:10 PM |
#129 |
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I am surprised and disappointed by his remarks |
Sea Witch |
Aug-19-10 01:45 PM |
#115 |
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And Dean is still fucking wrong. There is no flexibility when it comes to dealing with bigots. |
Raineyb |
Aug-19-10 02:22 PM |
#121 |
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This is so disappointing. |
rucky |
Aug-19-10 03:10 PM |
#125 |
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Showing flexibility with racists and right-wing Republicans has never worked out very well |
Better Believe It |
Aug-19-10 03:23 PM |
#126 |
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More fun bipartisanship.... |
readmoreoften |
Aug-21-10 04:10 AM |
#156 |
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He needs to read the constitution. |
krabigirl |
Aug-19-10 03:24 PM |
#127 |
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Some on this thread cite the First Amendment as a reason to shut down Howard Dean along with anyone |
Jim Sagle |
Aug-19-10 08:13 PM |
#131 |
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How is 'common decency' not a dishonest argument? |
pinboy3niner |
Aug-19-10 08:47 PM |
#134 |
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no, you can espouse all the bigotry you want... no one's stopping you jim. you just called bigotry |
dionysus |
Aug-19-10 10:05 PM |
#138 |
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On the contrary, you just labelled common decency "bigotry." So THERE! |
Jim Sagle |
Aug-20-10 12:12 AM |
#142 |
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Just as nearly a century of American foriegn policy |
Karenina |
Aug-21-10 06:19 AM |
#159 |
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Who here has advocated the government silencing Dean on this subject? |
Fumesucker |
Aug-21-10 05:48 AM |
#158 |
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I think the irony meter just exploded. |
Arkana |
Aug-19-10 08:38 PM |
#133 |
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I tend to be a bit "inflexible" on that whole "First Amendment thing". |
hatrack |
Aug-19-10 09:35 PM |
#137 |
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me thinks.... |
unkachuck |
Aug-19-10 10:21 PM |
#139 |
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+1 |
donheld |
Aug-19-10 11:09 PM |
#140 |
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Dean...digs deeper. Shameful. |
western mass |
Aug-19-10 11:25 PM |
#141 |
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I aint very flexable when it comes to the constitution... |
Supply Side Jesus |
Aug-21-10 04:02 AM |
#154 |
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Basically why I'm skeptical of all the Democratic candidates. The only solid iberal |
readmoreoften |
Aug-21-10 04:09 AM |
#155 |
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