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Thu Aug-19-10 12:22 PM
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| 102. No I have not been to Iran. |
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I have been to most of the Islamic countries in the conventional middle east area (Iraq and to the west of that). The people there in general put the Islamic religion as first in their life beyond anything else. The religion is a 7th century philosophy and even the most "progressive" followers do not accept any changes in the religion whatsoever. This is the reason the middle east area is backward economically and they need to import Western technical employees to run most of their projects. (The Iranians import Russians and Chinese).
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| -Dean Stands By Mosque Remarks, Charges Liberal Critics With Being Inflexible |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 12:02 AM |
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When Dean said that getting rid of Saddam Hussein wouldn't do much good he was savaged |
dkf |
Aug-19-10 12:09 AM |
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The obvious truth here is prejudice against Muslims. The same prejudice I experienced |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 12:17 AM |
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+1 |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-19-10 12:23 AM |
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You may not be kidding but you pulled it out of your ass. |
Jim Sagle |
Aug-19-10 12:37 AM |
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Yep I did |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-19-10 12:40 AM |
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I am not kidding when I say I experienced prejudice growing up in the midwest |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 12:42 AM |
#13 |
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Consider that your stance on this issue may help resurrect it. |
Jim Sagle |
Aug-20-10 07:36 PM |
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You are blaming a victim of bigotry and abuse for bigotry and abuse. Classy. What else |
Maru Kitteh |
Aug-21-10 03:31 AM |
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Seek help. |
Jim Sagle |
Aug-21-10 03:32 AM |
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Well he has the right to further tear this country apart. |
dkf |
Aug-19-10 12:39 AM |
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He isn't tearing the country apart, it is those 20% that believe Obama is a muslim |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 12:45 AM |
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No - it's not just 20% |
leftynyc |
Aug-19-10 07:33 AM |
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Should the Mosque in the Pentagon 80 feet from where the plane struck |
Winterblues |
Aug-19-10 11:00 AM |
#89 |
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+1 |
Crystal Clarity |
Aug-19-10 11:44 AM |
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I don't think any mosque should be in the Pentagon. I'm not comfortable with any religious |
riderinthestorm |
Aug-19-10 01:02 PM |
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No - and I think Park51 should be built |
leftynyc |
Aug-19-10 03:06 PM |
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Yes they are. Bigoted actions make the actor a bigot. |
Maru Kitteh |
Aug-21-10 03:48 AM |
#153 |
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video for you on the Cordoba House. No, we can't put that to rest |
uppityperson |
Aug-19-10 02:08 PM |
#118 |
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So you think Howard Dean is a bigot? (n/t) |
leftynyc |
Aug-19-10 03:07 PM |
#124 |
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On this? He is wrong and supporting a bigoted take. |
uppityperson |
Aug-19-10 09:19 PM |
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I disagree |
leftynyc |
Aug-20-10 04:47 AM |
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What reservations do you have about it? |
Violet_Crumble |
Aug-21-10 02:04 AM |
#150 |
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Yes they do. And the idea that the people who are being subjected to bigotry |
Raineyb |
Aug-21-10 07:37 AM |
#160 |
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It makes me want to ask those here supporting |
JerseygirlCT |
Aug-19-10 07:43 AM |
#85 |
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The difference is that we only get one president. |
FBaggins |
Aug-19-10 02:05 PM |
#117 |
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The only people tearing the country apart are the bigots |
Caliman73 |
Aug-19-10 12:49 AM |
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Absolutely right. |
coti |
Aug-19-10 01:20 AM |
#43 |
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Thanks |
Caliman73 |
Aug-19-10 01:39 AM |
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You have no sympathy for them because they do not think as you do. |
dkf |
Aug-19-10 03:40 AM |
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You realize MUSLIMS died that day too? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-19-10 10:45 AM |
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bigotry defense FAIL. |
dionysus |
Aug-19-10 11:46 AM |
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this short vid on the Cordoba house says it well |
uppityperson |
Aug-19-10 02:10 PM |
#119 |
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Stick to your day job. |
Caliman73 |
Aug-19-10 06:03 PM |
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He is the one being attacked and HE is the one 'tearing the |
sabrina 1 |
Aug-21-10 04:28 AM |
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I agree ! |
steve2470 |
Aug-19-10 12:54 AM |
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What bothered me more was his broad statement that Muslims in Iran are in the 12th century. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-19-10 03:31 AM |
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Yes it does describe the entire country. |
seattleblue |
Aug-19-10 04:45 AM |
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Your generalization is deeply insulting to those Iranians |
Radical Activist |
Aug-19-10 04:54 AM |
#63 |
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I agree |
JonLP24 |
Aug-19-10 05:20 AM |
#65 |
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I hope so. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-19-10 11:16 AM |
#91 |
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Have you been to Iran? |
JonLP24 |
Aug-19-10 05:16 AM |
#64 |
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No I have not been to Iran. |
seattleblue |
Aug-19-10 12:22 PM |
#102 |
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correct |
CTLawGuy |
Aug-19-10 06:32 AM |
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Absolutely! nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Aug-19-10 07:41 AM |
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The time to have spoken up about it was when it was going through |
Alameda |
Aug-19-10 01:42 AM |
#49 |
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If that was the only mosque they were targeting you might |
sabrina 1 |
Aug-19-10 01:48 AM |
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what is this "awfulness" you speak of? |
mdmc |
Aug-19-10 06:34 AM |
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No one had a problem with it 6 months ago. |
Connie_Corleone |
Aug-19-10 06:49 AM |
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it's famazing how open about their bigotry people are on this issue. |
dionysus |
Aug-19-10 11:20 AM |
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The left isn't always right. Dean understands that. |
Jim Sagle |
Aug-19-10 12:16 AM |
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and neither is Dean. By the way, this has nothing to do with left or right |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 12:33 AM |
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+100 |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-19-10 12:41 AM |
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amazing then that Dean is on the side of prejudice |
hfojvt |
Aug-19-10 01:19 AM |
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You would have thrown a shit fit if Obama had said the same thing. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-19-10 02:12 AM |
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No, actually Id've agreed with Obama if he'd said the same thing. |
Jim Sagle |
Aug-21-10 01:55 AM |
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religious bigotry rawwwks!!!! |
dionysus |
Aug-19-10 11:21 AM |
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As does your kneejerk defense of it. |
Jim Sagle |
Aug-21-10 01:56 AM |
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Aren't YOU the one who is defending bigotry? |
Raineyb |
Aug-21-10 09:08 AM |
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The media will never miss an opportunity to try to make hay |
EFerrari |
Aug-19-10 12:20 AM |
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This isn't the media, this is Dean. bush didn't comment, dean did. It is obviously his view |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 12:38 AM |
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Dean didn't attack the left as Sam's headline suggests. |
EFerrari |
Aug-19-10 12:57 AM |
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Your double standard here is astounding. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-19-10 02:04 AM |
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Setting aside your lame personal attack, did I miss where Dean |
EFerrari |
Aug-19-10 02:20 AM |
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You never seem worried about finding accurate quotes and sources when it comes to attacking Obama. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-19-10 02:42 AM |
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If you've never seen me try to verify information |
EFerrari |
Aug-19-10 02:46 AM |
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Coincidentally, |
Radical Activist |
Aug-19-10 04:27 AM |
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+1000 nt |
DevonRex |
Aug-19-10 11:01 AM |
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And precisely my point: you are not careful |
EFerrari |
Aug-19-10 11:39 AM |
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You linked a defense |
Radical Activist |
Aug-19-10 01:38 PM |
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The very post you link to refutes your own point. |
EFerrari |
Aug-19-10 02:49 PM |
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Doesn't matter if it's factual |
Cha |
Aug-19-10 12:23 PM |
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did you just now realize this? |
dionysus |
Aug-19-10 11:24 AM |
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So, you're agreeing with sloppy and wrong? |
EFerrari |
Aug-19-10 12:21 PM |
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ROFL.... you campaign against democrats daily, and *I* am the one that shouldn't be around voters? |
dionysus |
Aug-19-10 12:41 PM |
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Ha ha ha ha ha you didn't seem to criticize the hay-making that was done last week |
LoZoccolo |
Aug-19-10 12:56 AM |
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I'm missing the part where he said liberals are being inflexible. |
Marr |
Aug-19-10 12:39 AM |
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That isn't my headline, that is the huffingtonpost. If it is inaccurate |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 12:47 AM |
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Do you agree that it's inaccurate? |
Marr |
Aug-19-10 12:52 AM |
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No, because I don't know. However, I do know within the article |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 12:55 AM |
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Fair enough. |
Marr |
Aug-19-10 12:58 AM |
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It is good to be suspicious, and question everything. It is very hard to decipher |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 01:09 AM |
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I agree with him. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Aug-19-10 12:47 AM |
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They got the permit a year ago. There is a mosque already in the area |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 12:52 AM |
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I understand this particular building was already permitted, |
Waiting For Everyman |
Aug-19-10 01:17 AM |
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When they filed over a year ago |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-19-10 12:53 AM |
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Thank you!!! This is just being drummed up in to an issue |
Alameda |
Aug-19-10 01:46 AM |
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you do know that when this community center was first proposed, there was no opposition to it? |
niyad |
Aug-19-10 12:55 AM |
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They have permits. They have gone through all of the legal processes. |
Caliman73 |
Aug-19-10 01:03 AM |
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Dean is being a fool here |
Uzybone |
Aug-19-10 12:54 AM |
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In regards to prejudice there is no moderation. It is like being a little bit pregnant |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 01:05 AM |
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Nobody likes the left this week. No one at all. |
madfloridian |
Aug-19-10 12:56 AM |
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Read what he actually says before you make those calls. |
EFerrari |
Aug-19-10 12:59 AM |
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No one has ever fallen so far so fast in my estimation |
carolinayellowdog |
Aug-19-10 06:08 AM |
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Yep. The "professional left" bashers here should note that Dean is pandering to the RIGHT on this |
Hello_Kitty |
Aug-19-10 08:21 PM |
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Mr. Dean I would like to introduce you to Mr. Ted Olson. |
grantcart |
Aug-19-10 12:56 AM |
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That damn liberal ted olson, also joe Scarborough and others |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 01:01 AM |
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Dean understands this is not only a constitutional issue, |
EmeraldCityGrl |
Aug-19-10 12:58 AM |
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How would you feel if a year ago you were given a permit for a building, and then told |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 01:04 AM |
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Perhaps |
Caliman73 |
Aug-19-10 01:09 AM |
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excellent analogy ! nt |
steve2470 |
Aug-19-10 01:11 AM |
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Boy that cut right to chase, excellent analogy /nt |
still_one |
Aug-19-10 01:13 AM |
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brilliant. Simple, yet so apt. |
Uzybone |
Aug-19-10 01:23 AM |
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Best analogy yet, and it's exactly right! |
Withywindle |
Aug-19-10 01:26 AM |
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A better analogy would be |
woo me with science |
Aug-19-10 06:21 AM |
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It is not insensitivity. |
Caliman73 |
Aug-19-10 10:43 AM |
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Muslims aren't "real human beings struggling with grief issues and deep wounds"? |
NYC Liberal |
Aug-19-10 02:50 AM |
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Sarcasm and condescending comments add nothing of value |
EmeraldCityGrl |
Aug-19-10 01:19 PM |
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I was not being sarcastic or condescending. |
NYC Liberal |
Aug-19-10 01:33 PM |
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Oh Please, this is about real humans struggling with their bigotry. |
MadBadger |
Aug-19-10 06:37 AM |
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How far is far enough? The center will not be ON ground zero. It will |
Kahuna |
Aug-19-10 01:01 PM |
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I understand that, but....... |
CrownPrinceBandar |
Aug-19-10 01:19 PM |
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Beautifully stated. Dean missed an opportunity to educate on this issue, |
glitch |
Aug-19-10 06:39 PM |
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A missed opportunity to roll over to bigots having a temper tantrum |
TheKentuckian |
Aug-19-10 01:28 PM |
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No. Their grief does not entitle them to be bigots. The people who want to build this center do |
Raineyb |
Aug-19-10 09:15 PM |
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An opportunity to bring the country together, |
hay rick |
Aug-19-10 01:14 AM |
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Perhaps he is returning to his Republican roots. |
HuckleB |
Aug-19-10 01:27 AM |
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et tu, deano? |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-19-10 01:32 AM |
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Yeah. That too. |
bunkerbuster1 |
Aug-19-10 07:19 AM |
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Dean was always a centrist, despite the Lakoffian framing for liberals. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-19-10 01:52 AM |
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He's right. I'm inflexible when it comes to Constitutional rights. |
mmonk |
Aug-19-10 06:15 AM |
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Inflexible. Yes. Exactly. The constitiution IS inflexible. |
piratefish08 |
Aug-19-10 06:19 AM |
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Et tu, Howard? |
bunkerbuster1 |
Aug-19-10 07:18 AM |
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Is he angling for Robert Gibbs's job? nt |
geek tragedy |
Aug-19-10 07:19 AM |
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How are his hippie-punching skillz? |
bunkerbuster1 |
Aug-19-10 07:25 AM |
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Inflexible? Really? |
lunatica |
Aug-19-10 07:27 AM |
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Inflexible? Really? |
lunatica |
Aug-19-10 07:29 AM |
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K&+R |
Senator |
Aug-19-10 07:38 AM |
#81 |
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I was really shocked and saddened to hear Dean saying this |
JerseygirlCT |
Aug-19-10 07:41 AM |
#82 |
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Is it "Take Potshots at Liberals" Month or something? |
marmar |
Aug-19-10 07:43 AM |
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He's not even making any sense. There IS no flexibility here. This is the land they own. |
DevonRex |
Aug-19-10 10:58 AM |
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well, watch some pure bigotry get pulled out of rear ends to justify this shit! |
dionysus |
Aug-19-10 11:27 AM |
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Amazing what gets pulled out of there sometimes. |
DevonRex |
Aug-19-10 11:38 AM |
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The don't own the land. Con Ed owns 51 Park Place. |
seattleblue |
Aug-20-10 01:08 AM |
#143 |
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He's messing with some of the Republicans I would guess. |
RandomThoughts |
Aug-19-10 11:22 AM |
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Dean is right, why is THIS site so important for the Islamic Center |
JCMach1 |
Aug-19-10 01:02 PM |
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They had the permit granted and now they are being questioned because of bigotry |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Aug-19-10 01:11 PM |
#108 |
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I still can't believe people didn't think it was going to royally piss people off |
JCMach1 |
Aug-19-10 01:31 PM |
#112 |
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Why the fuck are you defending this shit? This is straight up bigotry. And none of the excuses |
Raineyb |
Aug-20-10 02:20 PM |
#145 |
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Isn't an underground MALL planned ON the GZ site? |
Karenina |
Aug-20-10 03:23 PM |
#146 |
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I will admit to not paying all that much attention to the plans because I found it all rather |
Raineyb |
Aug-21-10 07:51 AM |
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What if it was a black church in a white nieghborhood? |
Sea Witch |
Aug-19-10 01:54 PM |
#116 |
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+1000 |
Kahuna |
Aug-19-10 02:10 PM |
#120 |
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It's not for you to ask! |
coti |
Aug-19-10 06:10 PM |
#129 |
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I am surprised and disappointed by his remarks |
Sea Witch |
Aug-19-10 01:45 PM |
#115 |
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And Dean is still fucking wrong. There is no flexibility when it comes to dealing with bigots. |
Raineyb |
Aug-19-10 02:22 PM |
#121 |
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This is so disappointing. |
rucky |
Aug-19-10 03:10 PM |
#125 |
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Showing flexibility with racists and right-wing Republicans has never worked out very well |
Better Believe It |
Aug-19-10 03:23 PM |
#126 |
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More fun bipartisanship.... |
readmoreoften |
Aug-21-10 04:10 AM |
#156 |
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He needs to read the constitution. |
krabigirl |
Aug-19-10 03:24 PM |
#127 |
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Some on this thread cite the First Amendment as a reason to shut down Howard Dean along with anyone |
Jim Sagle |
Aug-19-10 08:13 PM |
#131 |
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How is 'common decency' not a dishonest argument? |
pinboy3niner |
Aug-19-10 08:47 PM |
#134 |
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no, you can espouse all the bigotry you want... no one's stopping you jim. you just called bigotry |
dionysus |
Aug-19-10 10:05 PM |
#138 |
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On the contrary, you just labelled common decency "bigotry." So THERE! |
Jim Sagle |
Aug-20-10 12:12 AM |
#142 |
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Just as nearly a century of American foriegn policy |
Karenina |
Aug-21-10 06:19 AM |
#159 |
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Who here has advocated the government silencing Dean on this subject? |
Fumesucker |
Aug-21-10 05:48 AM |
#158 |
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I think the irony meter just exploded. |
Arkana |
Aug-19-10 08:38 PM |
#133 |
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I tend to be a bit "inflexible" on that whole "First Amendment thing". |
hatrack |
Aug-19-10 09:35 PM |
#137 |
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me thinks.... |
unkachuck |
Aug-19-10 10:21 PM |
#139 |
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+1 |
donheld |
Aug-19-10 11:09 PM |
#140 |
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Dean...digs deeper. Shameful. |
western mass |
Aug-19-10 11:25 PM |
#141 |
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I aint very flexable when it comes to the constitution... |
Supply Side Jesus |
Aug-21-10 04:02 AM |
#154 |
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Basically why I'm skeptical of all the Democratic candidates. The only solid iberal |
readmoreoften |
Aug-21-10 04:09 AM |
#155 |
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