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18. They got the permit a year ago. There is a mosque already in the area
This isn't about the "right to build", they already received that right from the city, this is about prejudice

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  -Dean Stands By Mosque Remarks, Charges Liberal Critics With Being Inflexible still_one  Aug-19-10 12:02 AM   #0 
  - When Dean said that getting rid of Saddam Hussein wouldn't do much good he was savaged  dkf   Aug-19-10 12:09 AM   #1 
  - The obvious truth here is prejudice against Muslims. The same prejudice I experienced  still_one   Aug-19-10 12:17 AM   #3 
  - +1  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-19-10 12:23 AM   #5 
  - You may not be kidding but you pulled it out of your ass.  Jim Sagle   Aug-19-10 12:37 AM   #7 
     - Yep I did  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-19-10 12:40 AM   #11 
     - I am not kidding when I say I experienced prejudice growing up in the midwest  still_one   Aug-19-10 12:42 AM   #13 
        - Consider that your stance on this issue may help resurrect it.  Jim Sagle   Aug-20-10 07:36 PM   #147 
           - You are blaming a victim of bigotry and abuse for bigotry and abuse. Classy. What else  Maru Kitteh   Aug-21-10 03:31 AM   #151 
              - Seek help.  Jim Sagle   Aug-21-10 03:32 AM   #152 
  - Well he has the right to further tear this country apart.  dkf   Aug-19-10 12:39 AM   #10 
  - He isn't tearing the country apart, it is those 20% that believe Obama is a muslim  still_one   Aug-19-10 12:45 AM   #14 
  - No - it's not just 20%  leftynyc   Aug-19-10 07:33 AM   #80 
  - Should the Mosque in the Pentagon 80 feet from where the plane struck  Winterblues   Aug-19-10 11:00 AM   #89 
  - +1  Crystal Clarity   Aug-19-10 11:44 AM   #99 
  - I don't think any mosque should be in the Pentagon. I'm not comfortable with any religious  riderinthestorm   Aug-19-10 01:02 PM   #107 
  - No - and I think Park51 should be built  leftynyc   Aug-19-10 03:06 PM   #123 
     - Yes they are. Bigoted actions make the actor a bigot.  Maru Kitteh   Aug-21-10 03:48 AM   #153 
  - video for you on the Cordoba House. No, we can't put that to rest  uppityperson   Aug-19-10 02:08 PM   #118 
     - So you think Howard Dean is a bigot? (n/t)  leftynyc   Aug-19-10 03:07 PM   #124 
        - On this? He is wrong and supporting a bigoted take.  uppityperson   Aug-19-10 09:19 PM   #136 
           - I disagree  leftynyc   Aug-20-10 04:47 AM   #144 
              - What reservations do you have about it?  Violet_Crumble   Aug-21-10 02:04 AM   #150 
              - Yes they do. And the idea that the people who are being subjected to bigotry  Raineyb   Aug-21-10 07:37 AM   #160 
  - It makes me want to ask those here supporting  JerseygirlCT   Aug-19-10 07:43 AM   #85 
     - The difference is that we only get one president.  FBaggins   Aug-19-10 02:05 PM   #117 
  - The only people tearing the country apart are the bigots  Caliman73   Aug-19-10 12:49 AM   #17 
  - Absolutely right.  coti   Aug-19-10 01:20 AM   #43 
  - Thanks  Caliman73   Aug-19-10 01:39 AM   #48 
  - You have no sympathy for them because they do not think as you do.  dkf   Aug-19-10 03:40 AM   #60 
     - You realize MUSLIMS died that day too?  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-19-10 10:45 AM   #87 
     - bigotry defense FAIL.  dionysus   Aug-19-10 11:46 AM   #100 
     - this short vid on the Cordoba house says it well  uppityperson   Aug-19-10 02:10 PM   #119 
     - Stick to your day job.  Caliman73   Aug-19-10 06:03 PM   #128 
  - He is the one being attacked and HE is the one 'tearing the  sabrina 1   Aug-21-10 04:28 AM   #157 
  - I agree !  steve2470   Aug-19-10 12:54 AM   #21 
  - What bothered me more was his broad statement that Muslims in Iran are in the 12th century.  Radical Activist   Aug-19-10 03:31 AM   #59 
  - Yes it does describe the entire country.  seattleblue   Aug-19-10 04:45 AM   #62 
     - Your generalization is deeply insulting to those Iranians  Radical Activist   Aug-19-10 04:54 AM   #63 
     - I agree  JonLP24   Aug-19-10 05:20 AM   #65 
        - I hope so.  Radical Activist   Aug-19-10 11:16 AM   #91 
     - Have you been to Iran?  JonLP24   Aug-19-10 05:16 AM   #64 
     - No I have not been to Iran.  seattleblue   Aug-19-10 12:22 PM   #102 
     - correct  CTLawGuy   Aug-19-10 06:32 AM   #70 
  - Absolutely! nt  JerseygirlCT   Aug-19-10 07:41 AM   #83 
  - The time to have spoken up about it was when it was going through  Alameda   Aug-19-10 01:42 AM   #49 
  - If that was the only mosque they were targeting you might  sabrina 1   Aug-19-10 01:48 AM   #51 
  - what is this "awfulness" you speak of?  mdmc   Aug-19-10 06:34 AM   #71 
  - No one had a problem with it 6 months ago.  Connie_Corleone   Aug-19-10 06:49 AM   #73 
  - it's famazing how open about their bigotry people are on this issue.  dionysus   Aug-19-10 11:20 AM   #92 
  - The left isn't always right. Dean understands that.  Jim Sagle   Aug-19-10 12:16 AM   #2 
  - and neither is Dean. By the way, this has nothing to do with left or right  still_one   Aug-19-10 12:33 AM   #6 
  - +100  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-19-10 12:41 AM   #12 
  - amazing then that Dean is on the side of prejudice  hfojvt   Aug-19-10 01:19 AM   #42 
  - You would have thrown a shit fit if Obama had said the same thing.  Radical Activist   Aug-19-10 02:12 AM   #54 
  - No, actually Id've agreed with Obama if he'd said the same thing.  Jim Sagle   Aug-21-10 01:55 AM   #148 
  - religious bigotry rawwwks!!!!  dionysus   Aug-19-10 11:21 AM   #93 
     - As does your kneejerk defense of it.  Jim Sagle   Aug-21-10 01:56 AM   #149 
        - Aren't YOU the one who is defending bigotry?  Raineyb   Aug-21-10 09:08 AM   #162 
  - The media will never miss an opportunity to try to make hay  EFerrari   Aug-19-10 12:20 AM   #4 
  - This isn't the media, this is Dean. bush didn't comment, dean did. It is obviously his view  still_one   Aug-19-10 12:38 AM   #8 
  - Dean didn't attack the left as Sam's headline suggests.  EFerrari   Aug-19-10 12:57 AM   #28 
     - Your double standard here is astounding.  Radical Activist   Aug-19-10 02:04 AM   #53 
        - Setting aside your lame personal attack, did I miss where Dean  EFerrari   Aug-19-10 02:20 AM   #55 
        - You never seem worried about finding accurate quotes and sources when it comes to attacking Obama.  Radical Activist   Aug-19-10 02:42 AM   #56 
           - If you've never seen me try to verify information  EFerrari   Aug-19-10 02:46 AM   #57 
              - Coincidentally,  Radical Activist   Aug-19-10 04:27 AM   #61 
                 - +1000 nt  DevonRex   Aug-19-10 11:01 AM   #90 
                 - And precisely my point: you are not careful  EFerrari   Aug-19-10 11:39 AM   #98 
                 - You linked a defense  Radical Activist   Aug-19-10 01:38 PM   #114 
                    - The very post you link to refutes your own point.  EFerrari   Aug-19-10 02:49 PM   #122 
                 - Doesn't matter if it's factual  Cha   Aug-19-10 12:23 PM   #103 
        - did you just now realize this?  dionysus   Aug-19-10 11:24 AM   #95 
           - So, you're agreeing with sloppy and wrong?  EFerrari   Aug-19-10 12:21 PM   #101 
              - ROFL.... you campaign against democrats daily, and *I* am the one that shouldn't be around voters?  dionysus   Aug-19-10 12:41 PM   #104 
  - Ha ha ha ha ha you didn't seem to criticize the hay-making that was done last week  LoZoccolo   Aug-19-10 12:56 AM   #27 
  - I'm missing the part where he said liberals are being inflexible.  Marr   Aug-19-10 12:39 AM   #9 
  - That isn't my headline, that is the huffingtonpost. If it is inaccurate  still_one   Aug-19-10 12:47 AM   #16 
     - Do you agree that it's inaccurate?  Marr   Aug-19-10 12:52 AM   #19 
        - No, because I don't know. However, I do know within the article  still_one   Aug-19-10 12:55 AM   #24 
           - Fair enough.  Marr   Aug-19-10 12:58 AM   #30 
              - It is good to be suspicious, and question everything. It is very hard to decipher  still_one   Aug-19-10 01:09 AM   #37 
  - I agree with him.  Waiting For Everyman   Aug-19-10 12:47 AM   #15 
  - They got the permit a year ago. There is a mosque already in the area  still_one   Aug-19-10 12:52 AM   #18 
  - I understand this particular building was already permitted,  Waiting For Everyman   Aug-19-10 01:17 AM   #41 
  - When they filed over a year ago  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-19-10 12:53 AM   #20 
  - Thank you!!! This is just being drummed up in to an issue  Alameda   Aug-19-10 01:46 AM   #50 
  - you do know that when this community center was first proposed, there was no opposition to it?  niyad   Aug-19-10 12:55 AM   #23 
  - They have permits. They have gone through all of the legal processes.  Caliman73   Aug-19-10 01:03 AM   #33 
  - Dean is being a fool here  Uzybone   Aug-19-10 12:54 AM   #22 
  - In regards to prejudice there is no moderation. It is like being a little bit pregnant  still_one   Aug-19-10 01:05 AM   #35 
  - Nobody likes the left this week. No one at all.  madfloridian   Aug-19-10 12:56 AM   #25 
  - Read what he actually says before you make those calls.  EFerrari   Aug-19-10 12:59 AM   #31 
  - No one has ever fallen so far so fast in my estimation  carolinayellowdog   Aug-19-10 06:08 AM   #66 
  - Yep. The "professional left" bashers here should note that Dean is pandering to the RIGHT on this  Hello_Kitty   Aug-19-10 08:21 PM   #132 
  - Mr. Dean I would like to introduce you to Mr. Ted Olson.  grantcart   Aug-19-10 12:56 AM   #26 
  - That damn liberal ted olson, also joe Scarborough and others  still_one   Aug-19-10 01:01 AM   #32 
  - Dean understands this is not only a constitutional issue,  EmeraldCityGrl   Aug-19-10 12:58 AM   #29 
  - How would you feel if a year ago you were given a permit for a building, and then told  still_one   Aug-19-10 01:04 AM   #34 
  - Perhaps  Caliman73   Aug-19-10 01:09 AM   #36 
  - excellent analogy ! nt  steve2470   Aug-19-10 01:11 AM   #38 
  - Boy that cut right to chase, excellent analogy /nt  still_one   Aug-19-10 01:13 AM   #39 
  - brilliant. Simple, yet so apt.  Uzybone   Aug-19-10 01:23 AM   #44 
  - Best analogy yet, and it's exactly right!  Withywindle   Aug-19-10 01:26 AM   #45 
  - A better analogy would be  woo me with science   Aug-19-10 06:21 AM   #69 
     - It is not insensitivity.  Caliman73   Aug-19-10 10:43 AM   #86 
  - Muslims aren't "real human beings struggling with grief issues and deep wounds"?  NYC Liberal   Aug-19-10 02:50 AM   #58 
  - Sarcasm and condescending comments add nothing of value  EmeraldCityGrl   Aug-19-10 01:19 PM   #109 
     - I was not being sarcastic or condescending.  NYC Liberal   Aug-19-10 01:33 PM   #113 
  - Oh Please, this is about real humans struggling with their bigotry.  MadBadger   Aug-19-10 06:37 AM   #72 
  - How far is far enough? The center will not be ON ground zero. It will  Kahuna   Aug-19-10 01:01 PM   #105 
  - I understand that, but.......  CrownPrinceBandar   Aug-19-10 01:19 PM   #110 
  - Beautifully stated. Dean missed an opportunity to educate on this issue,  glitch   Aug-19-10 06:39 PM   #130 
  - A missed opportunity to roll over to bigots having a temper tantrum  TheKentuckian   Aug-19-10 01:28 PM   #111 
  - No. Their grief does not entitle them to be bigots. The people who want to build this center do  Raineyb   Aug-19-10 09:15 PM   #135 
  - An opportunity to bring the country together,  hay rick   Aug-19-10 01:14 AM   #40 
  - Perhaps he is returning to his Republican roots.  HuckleB   Aug-19-10 01:27 AM   #46 
  - et tu, deano?  Hannah Bell   Aug-19-10 01:32 AM   #47 
  - Yeah. That too.  bunkerbuster1   Aug-19-10 07:19 AM   #76 
  - Dean was always a centrist, despite the Lakoffian framing for liberals.  Radical Activist   Aug-19-10 01:52 AM   #52 
  - He's right. I'm inflexible when it comes to Constitutional rights.  mmonk   Aug-19-10 06:15 AM   #67 
  - Inflexible. Yes. Exactly. The constitiution IS inflexible.  piratefish08   Aug-19-10 06:19 AM   #68 
  - Et tu, Howard?  bunkerbuster1   Aug-19-10 07:18 AM   #74 
  - Is he angling for Robert Gibbs's job? nt  geek tragedy   Aug-19-10 07:19 AM   #75 
  - How are his hippie-punching skillz?  bunkerbuster1   Aug-19-10 07:25 AM   #77 
  - Inflexible? Really?  lunatica   Aug-19-10 07:27 AM   #78 
  - Inflexible? Really?  lunatica   Aug-19-10 07:29 AM   #79 
  - K&+R  Senator   Aug-19-10 07:38 AM   #81 
  - I was really shocked and saddened to hear Dean saying this  JerseygirlCT   Aug-19-10 07:41 AM   #82 
  - Is it "Take Potshots at Liberals" Month or something?  marmar   Aug-19-10 07:43 AM   #84 
  - He's not even making any sense. There IS no flexibility here. This is the land they own.  DevonRex   Aug-19-10 10:58 AM   #88 
  - well, watch some pure bigotry get pulled out of rear ends to justify this shit!  dionysus   Aug-19-10 11:27 AM   #96 
  - Amazing what gets pulled out of there sometimes.  DevonRex   Aug-19-10 11:38 AM   #97 
  - The don't own the land. Con Ed owns 51 Park Place.  seattleblue   Aug-20-10 01:08 AM   #143 
  - He's messing with some of the Republicans I would guess.  RandomThoughts   Aug-19-10 11:22 AM   #94 
  - Dean is right, why is THIS site so important for the Islamic Center  JCMach1   Aug-19-10 01:02 PM   #106 
  - They had the permit granted and now they are being questioned because of bigotry  SemiCharmedQuark   Aug-19-10 01:11 PM   #108 
  - I still can't believe people didn't think it was going to royally piss people off  JCMach1   Aug-19-10 01:31 PM   #112 
     - Why the fuck are you defending this shit? This is straight up bigotry. And none of the excuses  Raineyb   Aug-20-10 02:20 PM   #145 
        - Isn't an underground MALL planned ON the GZ site?  Karenina   Aug-20-10 03:23 PM   #146 
           - I will admit to not paying all that much attention to the plans because I found it all rather  Raineyb   Aug-21-10 07:51 AM   #161 
  - What if it was a black church in a white nieghborhood?  Sea Witch   Aug-19-10 01:54 PM   #116 
  - +1000  Kahuna   Aug-19-10 02:10 PM   #120 
  - It's not for you to ask!  coti   Aug-19-10 06:10 PM   #129 
  - I am surprised and disappointed by his remarks  Sea Witch   Aug-19-10 01:45 PM   #115 
  - And Dean is still fucking wrong. There is no flexibility when it comes to dealing with bigots.  Raineyb   Aug-19-10 02:22 PM   #121 
  - This is so disappointing.  rucky   Aug-19-10 03:10 PM   #125 
  - Showing flexibility with racists and right-wing Republicans has never worked out very well  Better Believe It   Aug-19-10 03:23 PM   #126 
  - More fun bipartisanship....  readmoreoften   Aug-21-10 04:10 AM   #156 
  - He needs to read the constitution.  krabigirl   Aug-19-10 03:24 PM   #127 
  - Some on this thread cite the First Amendment as a reason to shut down Howard Dean along with anyone  Jim Sagle   Aug-19-10 08:13 PM   #131 
  - How is 'common decency' not a dishonest argument?  pinboy3niner   Aug-19-10 08:47 PM   #134 
  - no, you can espouse all the bigotry you want... no one's stopping you jim. you just called bigotry  dionysus   Aug-19-10 10:05 PM   #138 
  - On the contrary, you just labelled common decency "bigotry." So THERE!  Jim Sagle   Aug-20-10 12:12 AM   #142 
  - Just as nearly a century of American foriegn policy  Karenina   Aug-21-10 06:19 AM   #159 
  - Who here has advocated the government silencing Dean on this subject?  Fumesucker   Aug-21-10 05:48 AM   #158 
  - I think the irony meter just exploded.  Arkana   Aug-19-10 08:38 PM   #133 
  - I tend to be a bit "inflexible" on that whole "First Amendment thing".  hatrack   Aug-19-10 09:35 PM   #137 
  - me thinks....  unkachuck   Aug-19-10 10:21 PM   #139 
  - +1  donheld   Aug-19-10 11:09 PM   #140 
  - Dean...digs deeper. Shameful.  western mass   Aug-19-10 11:25 PM   #141 
  - I aint very flexable when it comes to the constitution...  Supply Side Jesus   Aug-21-10 04:02 AM   #154 
  - Basically why I'm skeptical of all the Democratic candidates. The only solid iberal  readmoreoften   Aug-21-10 04:09 AM   #155 

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