LuckyTheDog
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Fri Aug-20-10 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #77 |
| 79. So, because they were laid off... |
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Edited on Fri Aug-20-10 06:58 PM by LuckyTheDog
... then the rest of the employees should have lost their jobs as well? What would that have served?
I never said all of the laid-off workers have been called back -- and you know it.
I will say this one more time: Obama DID NOT CAUSE THE RECESSION. He did not cause GM and Chrysler's problems. But, at a crucial time when it would have been easier to let those companies die, he acted to save them. And yes, the last time I drove past the Chrysler headquarters, it was still open. Those people are still earning paychecks, thanks to Obama's actions. Same is true at GM's HQ.
It is nonsense to say that Obama "did nothing" just because he could not roll back all of the impact the devastating recession had on the auto industry. It is ridiculously unfair to blame Obama for the problems that had been brewing for decades prior to his election.
Like I said: thousands of folks at the GM Tech Center, GM headquarters, Chrysler's headquarters and numerous other production and engineering facilities are earning paychecks now that would nobody would be writing if Obama had not acted. That is a good thing.t's hard to believe that anyone thinks it isn't.
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| -No way does Obama deserve his current approval rating |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-18-10 02:13 PM |
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If it is because of the Mosque thing (which is really a community center) |
Jennicut |
Aug-18-10 02:15 PM |
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lol. hiring at $14/hr. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-18-10 02:15 PM |
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And that's worse than laying people off...How? |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-18-10 02:17 PM |
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layoffs are ongoing. $1/hr would be "better than laying people off". |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-18-10 02:19 PM |
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GM's plants in the U.S. are unionized |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-18-10 02:23 PM |
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you haven't been paying attention to the "new" gm: right in your territory, too: |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-18-10 02:36 PM |
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That's a small, fairly new plant and the UAW is working to organize it |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-18-10 03:02 PM |
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lol. there's more than one. and uaw is *not* "working to organize it". a gm subsidiary = gm. gm |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-18-10 03:14 PM |
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OK, then |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-18-10 03:20 PM |
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you guys must own the straw factory. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-18-10 03:25 PM |
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Well, your crowd's point is to bash Obama no matter what. |
geek tragedy |
Aug-19-10 10:05 AM |
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it's not about bashing obama. it's about countering the sunshine & lollipops spin. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-19-10 02:38 PM |
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Sunshine and lolipops? |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 03:54 PM |
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Yes, sunshine and lollipops... |
ScreamingMeemie |
Aug-19-10 04:01 PM |
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So, what you really are saying is... |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 04:11 PM |
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GM was in no danger of going out of business. anyone who kept up with their foreign operations knew |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-19-10 04:15 PM |
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Nope. That is just plain wrong. |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 04:28 PM |
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lol. right, that 10% labor cost was killing them. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-20-10 03:51 PM |
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Ummmm... GM was lost tens of billions of dollars over just a few years |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-20-10 07:00 PM |
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ummmmm - you evidentally don't read their annual reports. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-20-10 08:42 PM |
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Not complaining. Just not giving credit where no credit is due. |
ScreamingMeemie |
Aug-19-10 05:36 PM |
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Tell that to all those GM and Chrysler employees... |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 07:05 PM |
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Really? I'll tell my laid off Chrysler employee brother in law that he's actually |
ScreamingMeemie |
Aug-20-10 01:46 PM |
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So, because they were laid off... |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-20-10 06:57 PM |
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No because many hundreds of thousands of employees have lost |
ScreamingMeemie |
Aug-20-10 11:02 PM |
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Oh. And the UAW really is trying to organize the facility (nt) |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 07:17 PM |
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And now your blaming Obama?????/???#?@ |
B Calm |
Aug-18-10 02:31 PM |
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I suggest you read the post again. It's short. Nice straw, by the way. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-18-10 02:43 PM |
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It's The Intangibles... |
KharmaTrain |
Aug-18-10 02:23 PM |
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Under Obama were have officially become a third world nation |
daa |
Aug-18-10 02:29 PM |
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Do I think Chrysler and GM are a SUCCESS? |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-18-10 03:18 PM |
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At 41 grand it doesn't matter how informed I am |
daa |
Aug-19-10 09:41 AM |
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Not true |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 12:18 PM |
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Nice Tea Party talking points. Why do you post on a Democratic |
geek tragedy |
Aug-19-10 10:06 AM |
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UH auto manufacturing capacity 17 million |
daa |
Aug-19-10 02:18 PM |
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You get judged on what happened |
zipplewrath |
Aug-18-10 02:32 PM |
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Yep! |
SammyWinstonJack |
Aug-18-10 03:10 PM |
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Well said. I remember being so very enthusiastic about Obama. |
metapunditedgy |
Aug-18-10 03:31 PM |
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+1 |
Nite Owl |
Aug-18-10 03:47 PM |
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+2 |
daa |
Aug-19-10 02:20 PM |
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It's all about the economic pain caused by unemployment. |
tritsofme |
Aug-18-10 03:14 PM |
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"But we're not staring directly into the face of oblivion anymore." |
Poboy |
Aug-18-10 03:14 PM |
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who is this "we" the op speaks of? |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-18-10 03:20 PM |
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Alrighty then |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-18-10 03:22 PM |
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You can add "false dichotomies" to the strawmen above with that post. n/t |
metapunditedgy |
Aug-18-10 03:34 PM |
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Where is the "false dichotomy"? |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 08:16 AM |
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Or you can just be happy with your President |
bigwillq |
Aug-18-10 03:36 PM |
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>But we're not staring directly into the face of oblivion anymore. |
Bluebear |
Aug-18-10 03:15 PM |
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Well |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-18-10 03:39 PM |
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Nobody here said they wished that McCain had won, so this is ridiculous. |
Bluebear |
Aug-18-10 05:27 PM |
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That WAS the other choice back in 2008 |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 08:15 AM |
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Are you happy about the thousands of union workers who were layed |
ScreamingMeemie |
Aug-19-10 02:22 PM |
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Had GM and Chrysler gone belly-up... |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 02:31 PM |
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Newsflash... |
ScreamingMeemie |
Aug-19-10 02:35 PM |
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gm was in no danger of going belly-up -- anyone who looked at their overseas profits knew that. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-19-10 02:41 PM |
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Still no solutuons? |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 04:13 PM |
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solutions -- to WHAT? I just told you, GM was never in danger of going under. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-19-10 04:17 PM |
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See my response above |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 04:29 PM |
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you have no response above. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-19-10 05:16 PM |
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Pasting it here (from above) |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 06:58 PM |
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Obama has "saved the auto workers"... |
bvar22 |
Aug-18-10 03:34 PM |
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Very good observation |
geek tragedy |
Aug-19-10 09:59 AM |
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What awesome job has he done? |
Lucian |
Aug-18-10 03:41 PM |
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I know, I know |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-18-10 03:44 PM |
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I don't recall him running on any of those promises. nt |
Javaman |
Aug-18-10 03:51 PM |
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Maybe not, but I gotta admit |
Fla_Democrat |
Aug-19-10 08:32 AM |
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Well said Lucky... |
tallahasseedem |
Aug-19-10 08:20 AM |
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He's kicked some serious ass. Everything against a unified "No!" vote. n/t |
deacon |
Aug-19-10 08:29 AM |
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Well, at least we agree on the subject line. |
Barack2theFuture |
Aug-18-10 03:52 PM |
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In a way, the kitchen sink was thrown at the economy to get it where it is. |
deacon |
Aug-19-10 08:26 AM |
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A variety of trickle down solutions isn't the kitchen sink. |
TheKentuckian |
Aug-19-10 02:29 PM |
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Depends on where you stand |
MadHound |
Aug-19-10 09:47 AM |
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Maybe you should get more perspective and tone down the drama. |
geek tragedy |
Aug-19-10 10:02 AM |
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Spoken like one who isn't in the field of education |
MadHound |
Aug-19-10 11:48 AM |
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The "war on public education"... |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 12:19 PM |
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I wish. Teaching has always been my back up |
EFerrari |
Aug-19-10 02:32 PM |
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"the fact of the matter." |
geek tragedy |
Aug-19-10 12:58 PM |
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Guess you are not a teacher |
daa |
Aug-19-10 02:25 PM |
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+infinity!! |
Ishoutandscream2 |
Aug-20-10 08:54 PM |
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I think the reason for low polling is the twisted public information |
BlancheSplanchnik |
Aug-19-10 09:55 AM |
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Many unemployed people would disagree. Right or Wrong. |
KansasVoter |
Aug-19-10 12:20 PM |
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"GM and Chrysler would be out of business by now " |
ScreamingMeemie |
Aug-19-10 02:33 PM |
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I'm right here with ya! |
JNelson6563 |
Aug-19-10 04:03 PM |
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Thank you (nt) |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-20-10 07:01 PM |
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K&R! |
Liberal_in_LA |
Aug-20-10 08:46 PM |
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