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Wed Aug-18-10 02:23 PM
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| 6. It's The Intangibles... |
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You can say this administration saved the economy from cratering...and I agree...but it's like proving a negative. The only way to prove how bad it could have gotten was to let it happen (and there were plenty here rooting for that). There was little "honeymoon" time with the corporate media who loves the controversy and showing the administration "whose boss".
Unfortunately people don't look at what might be or who caused the problems...they're expecting answers and solutions...unfortunately for too many out there it's not happening. While I put the blame on the kleptocracy of the booosh years that bankrupted the treasury and the 30 years of Raygonimics that destroyed the middle class, most people look at the here and now...whatcha done for me lately.
The progress have been in half measures...fighting a political establishment hellent on the status quo and it left everyone with a bad taste in their mouth. Accomodating to the GOOP wasted precious time that led to a healthcare bill that leaves more questions than answers and a supposed financial reform that does little to reregulate or prevent the banksters from turning the markets into a gambling casino (and much of it now with taxpayer money).
I honestly would like to feel better about this administration but I can't. I see it now reacting rather than being proactive and letting the corporate media and faux noise frame every issue now. This is the price you get for accomodation and all of us will pay if the GOOP retakes either the House or Senate in November...and even then this administration will get all the blame.
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| -No way does Obama deserve his current approval rating |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-18-10 02:13 PM |
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If it is because of the Mosque thing (which is really a community center) |
Jennicut |
Aug-18-10 02:15 PM |
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lol. hiring at $14/hr. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-18-10 02:15 PM |
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And that's worse than laying people off...How? |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-18-10 02:17 PM |
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layoffs are ongoing. $1/hr would be "better than laying people off". |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-18-10 02:19 PM |
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GM's plants in the U.S. are unionized |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-18-10 02:23 PM |
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you haven't been paying attention to the "new" gm: right in your territory, too: |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-18-10 02:36 PM |
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That's a small, fairly new plant and the UAW is working to organize it |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-18-10 03:02 PM |
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lol. there's more than one. and uaw is *not* "working to organize it". a gm subsidiary = gm. gm |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-18-10 03:14 PM |
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OK, then |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-18-10 03:20 PM |
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you guys must own the straw factory. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-18-10 03:25 PM |
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Well, your crowd's point is to bash Obama no matter what. |
geek tragedy |
Aug-19-10 10:05 AM |
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it's not about bashing obama. it's about countering the sunshine & lollipops spin. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-19-10 02:38 PM |
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Sunshine and lolipops? |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 03:54 PM |
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Yes, sunshine and lollipops... |
ScreamingMeemie |
Aug-19-10 04:01 PM |
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So, what you really are saying is... |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 04:11 PM |
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GM was in no danger of going out of business. anyone who kept up with their foreign operations knew |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-19-10 04:15 PM |
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Nope. That is just plain wrong. |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 04:28 PM |
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lol. right, that 10% labor cost was killing them. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-20-10 03:51 PM |
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Ummmm... GM was lost tens of billions of dollars over just a few years |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-20-10 07:00 PM |
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ummmmm - you evidentally don't read their annual reports. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-20-10 08:42 PM |
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Not complaining. Just not giving credit where no credit is due. |
ScreamingMeemie |
Aug-19-10 05:36 PM |
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Tell that to all those GM and Chrysler employees... |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 07:05 PM |
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Really? I'll tell my laid off Chrysler employee brother in law that he's actually |
ScreamingMeemie |
Aug-20-10 01:46 PM |
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So, because they were laid off... |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-20-10 06:57 PM |
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No because many hundreds of thousands of employees have lost |
ScreamingMeemie |
Aug-20-10 11:02 PM |
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Oh. And the UAW really is trying to organize the facility (nt) |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 07:17 PM |
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And now your blaming Obama?????/???#?@ |
B Calm |
Aug-18-10 02:31 PM |
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I suggest you read the post again. It's short. Nice straw, by the way. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-18-10 02:43 PM |
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It's The Intangibles... |
KharmaTrain |
Aug-18-10 02:23 PM |
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Under Obama were have officially become a third world nation |
daa |
Aug-18-10 02:29 PM |
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Do I think Chrysler and GM are a SUCCESS? |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-18-10 03:18 PM |
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At 41 grand it doesn't matter how informed I am |
daa |
Aug-19-10 09:41 AM |
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Not true |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 12:18 PM |
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Nice Tea Party talking points. Why do you post on a Democratic |
geek tragedy |
Aug-19-10 10:06 AM |
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UH auto manufacturing capacity 17 million |
daa |
Aug-19-10 02:18 PM |
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You get judged on what happened |
zipplewrath |
Aug-18-10 02:32 PM |
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Yep! |
SammyWinstonJack |
Aug-18-10 03:10 PM |
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Well said. I remember being so very enthusiastic about Obama. |
metapunditedgy |
Aug-18-10 03:31 PM |
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+1 |
Nite Owl |
Aug-18-10 03:47 PM |
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+2 |
daa |
Aug-19-10 02:20 PM |
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It's all about the economic pain caused by unemployment. |
tritsofme |
Aug-18-10 03:14 PM |
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"But we're not staring directly into the face of oblivion anymore." |
Poboy |
Aug-18-10 03:14 PM |
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who is this "we" the op speaks of? |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-18-10 03:20 PM |
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Alrighty then |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-18-10 03:22 PM |
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You can add "false dichotomies" to the strawmen above with that post. n/t |
metapunditedgy |
Aug-18-10 03:34 PM |
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Where is the "false dichotomy"? |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 08:16 AM |
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Or you can just be happy with your President |
bigwillq |
Aug-18-10 03:36 PM |
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>But we're not staring directly into the face of oblivion anymore. |
Bluebear |
Aug-18-10 03:15 PM |
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Well |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-18-10 03:39 PM |
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Nobody here said they wished that McCain had won, so this is ridiculous. |
Bluebear |
Aug-18-10 05:27 PM |
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That WAS the other choice back in 2008 |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 08:15 AM |
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Are you happy about the thousands of union workers who were layed |
ScreamingMeemie |
Aug-19-10 02:22 PM |
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Had GM and Chrysler gone belly-up... |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 02:31 PM |
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Newsflash... |
ScreamingMeemie |
Aug-19-10 02:35 PM |
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gm was in no danger of going belly-up -- anyone who looked at their overseas profits knew that. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-19-10 02:41 PM |
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Still no solutuons? |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 04:13 PM |
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solutions -- to WHAT? I just told you, GM was never in danger of going under. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-19-10 04:17 PM |
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See my response above |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 04:29 PM |
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you have no response above. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-19-10 05:16 PM |
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Pasting it here (from above) |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 06:58 PM |
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Obama has "saved the auto workers"... |
bvar22 |
Aug-18-10 03:34 PM |
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Very good observation |
geek tragedy |
Aug-19-10 09:59 AM |
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What awesome job has he done? |
Lucian |
Aug-18-10 03:41 PM |
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I know, I know |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-18-10 03:44 PM |
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I don't recall him running on any of those promises. nt |
Javaman |
Aug-18-10 03:51 PM |
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Maybe not, but I gotta admit |
Fla_Democrat |
Aug-19-10 08:32 AM |
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Well said Lucky... |
tallahasseedem |
Aug-19-10 08:20 AM |
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He's kicked some serious ass. Everything against a unified "No!" vote. n/t |
deacon |
Aug-19-10 08:29 AM |
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Well, at least we agree on the subject line. |
Barack2theFuture |
Aug-18-10 03:52 PM |
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In a way, the kitchen sink was thrown at the economy to get it where it is. |
deacon |
Aug-19-10 08:26 AM |
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A variety of trickle down solutions isn't the kitchen sink. |
TheKentuckian |
Aug-19-10 02:29 PM |
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Depends on where you stand |
MadHound |
Aug-19-10 09:47 AM |
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Maybe you should get more perspective and tone down the drama. |
geek tragedy |
Aug-19-10 10:02 AM |
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Spoken like one who isn't in the field of education |
MadHound |
Aug-19-10 11:48 AM |
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The "war on public education"... |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-19-10 12:19 PM |
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I wish. Teaching has always been my back up |
EFerrari |
Aug-19-10 02:32 PM |
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"the fact of the matter." |
geek tragedy |
Aug-19-10 12:58 PM |
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Guess you are not a teacher |
daa |
Aug-19-10 02:25 PM |
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+infinity!! |
Ishoutandscream2 |
Aug-20-10 08:54 PM |
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I think the reason for low polling is the twisted public information |
BlancheSplanchnik |
Aug-19-10 09:55 AM |
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Many unemployed people would disagree. Right or Wrong. |
KansasVoter |
Aug-19-10 12:20 PM |
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"GM and Chrysler would be out of business by now " |
ScreamingMeemie |
Aug-19-10 02:33 PM |
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I'm right here with ya! |
JNelson6563 |
Aug-19-10 04:03 PM |
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Thank you (nt) |
LuckyTheDog |
Aug-20-10 07:01 PM |
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K&R! |
Liberal_in_LA |
Aug-20-10 08:46 PM |
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