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Tue Aug-17-10 05:11 AM
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| 144. You're disrespecting the efforts of your union brothers and sisters like Chicago charter teachers. |
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“Charter schools have been too successful for the unions to ignore,” said Elizabeth D. Purvis, executive director of the Chicago International Charter School, where teachers voted last month to unionize 3 of its 12 campuses. Unions are not entirely new to charter schools. Teachers at hundreds of charter schools in Wisconsin, California and elsewhere have long been union members, not because they signed up, but because of local laws, like those that extend union status to all schools in a state or district.
Steve Barr, the founder of one large charter network, Green Dot, said his group operates its 17 charter schools in Los Angeles and one in the Bronx with union staff because it makes sense in the heavily unionized environment of public education. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/27/education/27charter.h...
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| -Old vs. New Dems - A Poll |
Steely_Dan |
Aug-16-10 11:04 AM |
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Just another old, disgruntled dem here. |
femmocrat |
Aug-16-10 11:09 AM |
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That would be excellent as well... |
Steely_Dan |
Aug-16-10 11:10 AM |
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I thought the same thing. New Dems implies NDC. |
Individualist |
Aug-16-10 11:14 AM |
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Yeah...I suppose that there is a lot... |
Steely_Dan |
Aug-16-10 11:27 AM |
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Also I'd like to know - Is he doing too much or is he doing too little |
jailthecrooks |
Aug-16-10 01:16 PM |
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Other? |
one_voice |
Aug-16-10 11:12 AM |
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I understand that this is what makes the poll difficult... |
Steely_Dan |
Aug-16-10 11:13 AM |
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Thinking about it a little more... |
one_voice |
Aug-16-10 11:19 AM |
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I Understand What... |
Steely_Dan |
Aug-16-10 11:24 AM |
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Obama has struggled with older people. |
Renew Deal |
Aug-16-10 11:12 AM |
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I am 50 years old, and I am appalled by the Obama administration. nt |
LWolf |
Aug-16-10 11:14 AM |
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I guess old wolves run in similar packs - though my pack is almost a decade older than yours. |
T Wolf |
Aug-16-10 11:19 AM |
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You are right. And it is, in this old wolf's opinion, a travesty. nt |
LWolf |
Aug-16-10 11:37 AM |
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The benefit of experience: it's harder to pull the wool over our eyes |
jailthecrooks |
Aug-16-10 01:46 PM |
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Yeah, no older person bought into that crap about 'death panels' |
WonderGrunion |
Aug-17-10 06:20 AM |
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This age dissatisfaction only underscores or confirms |
Poboy |
Aug-16-10 06:07 PM |
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absolutely correct |
Skittles |
Aug-17-10 01:51 AM |
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Yes, and you were "appalled" with the Obama campaign to. |
Renew Deal |
Aug-16-10 11:20 AM |
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And a lot aren't |
HERVEPA |
Aug-16-10 11:26 AM |
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+10000 |
Dappleganger |
Aug-16-10 12:27 PM |
#34 |
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+20000 |
laughingliberal |
Aug-17-10 12:53 AM |
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I'm not a 'recycled opponent'. Indeed, I supported Obama from the |
Subdivisions |
Aug-16-10 11:31 AM |
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Not sure where the problem is with that. |
GreenArrow |
Aug-16-10 11:34 AM |
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If one was "prescient" enough to see that Obama was lousy |
Renew Deal |
Aug-16-10 11:47 AM |
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Alternately, |
GreenArrow |
Aug-16-10 12:05 PM |
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The funny part for me |
zipplewrath |
Aug-16-10 11:51 AM |
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I'm just the opposite. Me, the one who'd never thought she'd go out knocking on doors, |
nc4bo |
Aug-16-10 12:10 PM |
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As a Kucinich supporter, |
GreenArrow |
Aug-16-10 08:09 PM |
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Green Arrow speaks for me. |
FredStembottom |
Aug-17-10 12:39 AM |
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Yes, I was. I was appalled by his center-right policies. |
LWolf |
Aug-16-10 11:36 AM |
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The Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent |
jailthecrooks |
Aug-16-10 01:55 PM |
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Perhaps it's a good thing he didn't take the book I sent him after all. |
LWolf |
Aug-16-10 02:31 PM |
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Shudder to think |
jailthecrooks |
Aug-16-10 03:30 PM |
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And what about the ones who aren't "recycled critics"? |
walldude |
Aug-16-10 12:15 PM |
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Welcome |
Dappleganger |
Aug-16-10 12:30 PM |
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Ditto. 72 years old. |
emilyg |
Aug-16-10 12:14 PM |
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Maybe those of us who have never known job security |
Recursion |
Aug-16-10 11:32 AM |
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True. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-16-10 12:26 PM |
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It's come up a lot during education threads |
Recursion |
Aug-16-10 01:54 PM |
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and never a shortage of folks who imagine pulling every worker to |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-16-10 11:20 PM |
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+1000 nt |
laughingliberal |
Aug-17-10 12:56 AM |
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you're patting yourself on the back for that, or what? |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-16-10 11:16 PM |
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We can use some younger participants n/t |
Steely_Dan |
Aug-16-10 11:45 AM |
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45+ lady here and going by the present #'s, see I'm not alone in how I feel. |
nc4bo |
Aug-16-10 11:51 AM |
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Time of day |
zipplewrath |
Aug-16-10 11:53 AM |
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Yeah...I think you make a good point. |
Steely_Dan |
Aug-16-10 12:02 PM |
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Message boards in general skew older |
Recursion |
Aug-16-10 06:09 PM |
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. |
Bluebear |
Aug-18-10 06:14 PM |
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I can see the dramatic difference at kos. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-18-10 09:24 PM |
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I Agree... |
Steely_Dan |
Aug-16-10 11:54 AM |
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One of the most refershing things about Obama's campaign |
Radical Activist |
Aug-16-10 12:11 PM |
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Fighting, and dying |
zipplewrath |
Aug-16-10 12:20 PM |
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Excellent Point... |
Steely_Dan |
Aug-16-10 12:26 PM |
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careful? |
Radical Activist |
Aug-16-10 12:40 PM |
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Make sure you understand who you are addressing |
zipplewrath |
Aug-16-10 03:52 PM |
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Respect your juniors. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-16-10 05:19 PM |
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And therein lies the problem. |
quakerboy |
Aug-19-10 12:39 AM |
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what, precisely, has changed? |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-17-10 12:28 AM |
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I want a new drug. One that won't make me sick. -- Huey Lewis |
Common Sense Party |
Aug-17-10 01:58 AM |
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Nah, they want to still rehash stuff that matters little to us. I mean, why should Gen X matter at |
Jennicut |
Aug-16-10 12:30 PM |
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I had a conversation about this with a leftie boomer friend of mine. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-16-10 12:52 PM |
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I agree but they don't want us. This thread makes that obvious. |
Jennicut |
Aug-16-10 12:56 PM |
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We are close in age |
JustAnotherGen |
Aug-16-10 01:30 PM |
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I totally agree with all of that. The Rethugs are a total waste of time. |
Jennicut |
Aug-16-10 01:44 PM |
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I really like what you wrote |
Angry Dragon |
Aug-17-10 01:26 AM |
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My sons don't remember Watergate, Vietnam, or the Civil Rights battles. |
LWolf |
Aug-16-10 03:40 PM |
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DU is dominated by boomers. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-16-10 05:24 PM |
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Hold on, now, Jennicut-- |
janx |
Aug-16-10 05:43 PM |
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+1 |
Recursion |
Aug-16-10 05:54 PM |
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yes, knowing anything about history would be a big mistake. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-16-10 11:22 PM |
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Yes, because Obama never said |
LWolf |
Aug-16-10 12:44 PM |
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And your point? |
Radical Activist |
Aug-16-10 01:06 PM |
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Obama seems quite a bit like a Reagan Democrat to me. |
LWolf |
Aug-16-10 02:26 PM |
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Reagan pushed deregulation. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-16-10 05:05 PM |
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Reagan didn't push anything very hard |
Recursion |
Aug-16-10 06:12 PM |
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They both worked on nuclear non-proliferation. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-17-10 02:18 AM |
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What it MIGHT do. |
LWolf |
Aug-16-10 06:48 PM |
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So he said some things |
Radical Activist |
Aug-16-10 07:00 PM |
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RTTT is based on Duncan's work in Chicago. |
LWolf |
Aug-16-10 07:51 PM |
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the whole turnaround/charter model busts unions. you don't get it. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-17-10 12:35 AM |
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There are charters with unions. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-17-10 02:08 AM |
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oooh! a union opening a charter! well, i guess that settles it, then. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-17-10 04:16 AM |
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You're disrespecting the efforts of your union brothers and sisters like Chicago charter teachers. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-17-10 05:11 AM |
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lol. chicago is the city where charters can't join the chicago teachers' |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-17-10 06:02 AM |
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obama is also pushing it. you just can't see it, maybe due to lack of historical perspective. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-17-10 12:33 AM |
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Let me know what union local at which school in DE or TN was busted as a result of RTTT. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-17-10 02:03 AM |
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lol. you're the only one playing word games, breaking contracts is indeed union-busting. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-17-10 04:32 AM |
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So no answer on my request for specific examples. I didn't think so. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-17-10 04:50 AM |
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i gave you specific examples. you simply continue to pretend you don't understand. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-17-10 04:56 AM |
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Name the school and union local Obama busted. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-17-10 05:01 AM |
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straw. it's all you got. aft & nea are national unions. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-17-10 05:44 AM |
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Since the battles of the past were never settled.. |
Fumesucker |
Aug-16-10 02:31 PM |
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Wow. What. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-16-10 05:12 PM |
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dupe |
Radical Activist |
Aug-16-10 01:06 PM |
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He said that to make the Clintons' heads explode, mostly |
Recursion |
Aug-16-10 05:58 PM |
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Outdated narratives like should prohibition continue and is militarism killing our country? |
EFerrari |
Aug-16-10 09:47 PM |
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More like, |
Radical Activist |
Aug-16-10 10:28 PM |
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The fact that you cannot contextualize events doesn't mean |
EFerrari |
Aug-16-10 10:35 PM |
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Ugly assumption but there is a difference between contexualizing events |
Radical Activist |
Aug-16-10 11:28 PM |
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"stuck in the past" - it's all about the denigration. it was the gop pushing that crap. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-17-10 12:49 AM |
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I'm glad you're a fan of Saul. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-17-10 01:34 AM |
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Not an assumption. You talked about prohibition and militarism |
EFerrari |
Aug-17-10 10:41 AM |
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It's ugly to suggest |
Radical Activist |
Aug-18-10 09:20 PM |
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uh -- that was the other side. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-17-10 12:34 AM |
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I'm more than willing to believe something good can come out of a Democratic President |
laughingliberal |
Aug-17-10 01:05 AM |
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Trickle Down? |
Radical Activist |
Aug-17-10 02:14 AM |
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Giving $800 billion to the banksters (which he supported) & then having 'limited resources' for jobs |
laughingliberal |
Aug-17-10 06:02 PM |
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Pretty definitive so far. |
mmonk |
Aug-16-10 12:54 PM |
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I don't think... |
Steely_Dan |
Aug-16-10 01:16 PM |
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Well it is a good way to confirm or deny. |
mmonk |
Aug-16-10 02:04 PM |
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It's pretty representative of DU. |
EFerrari |
Aug-16-10 09:50 PM |
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Wait....I need to check my gender identity. n/t |
Steely_Dan |
Aug-16-10 11:03 PM |
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i don't see the big generational divide. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-17-10 12:40 AM |
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Update: there is currently a massive generational divide visible. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Aug-17-10 01:10 AM |
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update: the only segment that's majority "satisfied" is 25-35, & not by much. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-17-10 01:43 AM |
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I bet that makes you really happy. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-17-10 02:20 AM |
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i bet you're wrong, but nice job of baiting. good thing you changed that che avatar, btw. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-17-10 02:33 AM |
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Do you think that got more clever than the last four times you brought it up? |
Radical Activist |
Aug-17-10 02:50 AM |
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do you think the bullshit about hating obama gets any cleverer the 2000th time you |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-17-10 03:57 AM |
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Aug-17-10 02:51 AM |
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i note the personal attack & blatant namecalling. so sorry your arguments have so little merit |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-17-10 05:48 AM |
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update: |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-17-10 04:06 AM |
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Sure, but 56% is very different to 20%. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Aug-17-10 05:54 AM |
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It Appears That... |
Steely_Dan |
Aug-16-10 02:42 PM |
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Anyone younger than 45.... |
bvar22 |
Aug-16-10 03:17 PM |
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Excellent point, bvar22. |
Individualist |
Aug-16-10 04:01 PM |
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That is true. All I remember as a kid is my parents worshipping Reagan. |
Jennicut |
Aug-16-10 05:57 PM |
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well, they did. more than voted for republicans in that age group. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-17-10 12:37 AM |
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That's why Grayson seems like such an outlier to younger people. |
EFerrari |
Aug-16-10 10:37 PM |
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FDR is a hero to me too, also Eleanor R. |
Mimosa |
Aug-17-10 04:36 AM |
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Maybe part of the reason is that young people aren't looking for something else. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-17-10 12:13 PM |
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Maybe another couple terms of Karl, Dick, and George? |
divvy |
Aug-16-10 04:04 PM |
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The GOP made me a Solidarity Democrat. They are NUTS and need another election beating. n/t |
deacon |
Aug-16-10 07:42 PM |
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As a senior senior citizen who watces a lot of daytime tv cable news, |
sad sally |
Aug-16-10 04:22 PM |
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I think the political climate now |
MerryBlooms |
Aug-16-10 05:30 PM |
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well this certainly helps clarify things. . . . |
Barack2theFuture |
Aug-16-10 05:25 PM |
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I'm almost 64. |
Blue_In_AK |
Aug-16-10 05:34 PM |
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We're throwing it into reverse actually on some things. |
mmonk |
Aug-16-10 06:17 PM |
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Older than forty-five, but I'll not tell you it's by nine years,...heh.heh.. |
Ferretherder |
Aug-16-10 09:04 PM |
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LOLOLOLOLOL! |
Steely_Dan |
Aug-16-10 09:42 PM |
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The Depends Generation is a cranky bunch. |
Kaleva |
Aug-16-10 11:25 PM |
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Hey you! Get off my lawn! |
Cherchez la Femme |
Aug-16-10 11:30 PM |
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As I run (hobble) away to my car parked in a handicapped parking spot. |
Kaleva |
Aug-16-10 11:38 PM |
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Wheezing |
Cherchez la Femme |
Aug-17-10 12:40 AM |
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The old Dems were in bed with the Southern racists. |
Kaleva |
Aug-16-10 11:56 PM |
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You are talking really Old Dems. |
McCamy Taylor |
Aug-17-10 01:05 AM |
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Hey the Roosevelt Dems voted for Obama nearly as much as boomers. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-17-10 02:39 AM |
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you keep repeating that slur when it's been pointed out to you multiple times, with |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-17-10 04:05 AM |
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It must really burn you that boomers voted Nixon over McGovern when the voting age was lowered. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-17-10 04:49 AM |
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i remember how you just make shit up. boomers = born 1946-1961. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-17-10 05:43 AM |
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All of those numbres confirm what I just wrote. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-17-10 12:04 PM |
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let's review what you wrote: |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-17-10 02:00 PM |
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. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-17-10 02:00 PM |
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It's always funny, the DU polls are something that the flaming blue links of frustration can't hide. |
Bluebear |
Aug-16-10 11:58 PM |
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kick |
Bluebear |
Aug-17-10 11:15 PM |
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63. My idea of a Democrat is Harry S Truman, and Mr. Obama could not |
old mark |
Aug-17-10 12:18 AM |
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Truman started an unpopular war of choice, dropped the A-bomb, bustead the railroad strike, and |
Radical Activist |
Aug-17-10 02:33 AM |
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Korea was certainly not a war of choice, and I think he was right to drop the bomb ending the war. |
old mark |
Aug-17-10 07:44 AM |
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I am 50, and he is about average for a Democrat. Anyone who expects miracles from our |
McCamy Taylor |
Aug-17-10 01:01 AM |
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And that does not say much for this country |
Angry Dragon |
Aug-17-10 01:43 AM |
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Based on this poll, we can safely conclude that |
woo me with science |
Aug-17-10 02:18 AM |
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Yep. |
Radical Activist |
Aug-17-10 02:40 AM |
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I say "dissatisfied" here, but would never say that on a telephone poll. n/t |
eridani |
Aug-17-10 03:54 AM |
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I'm an oldy & moldy |
H2O Man |
Aug-17-10 05:20 AM |
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I'm only 37 but might perceive a bit older because I started paying attention earlier than most |
TheKentuckian |
Aug-17-10 07:37 AM |
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Perhaps it's nothing more than a diversion and we fall for it each and every time. |
nc4bo |
Aug-17-10 08:46 AM |
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Thank you. I'm glad it read a little better than I figured |
TheKentuckian |
Aug-17-10 01:21 PM |
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truly sad both over 45 and not satisfied |
dembotoz |
Aug-17-10 08:37 AM |
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I'll be voting blue this fall and for all falls thereafter |
saltpoint |
Aug-17-10 08:38 AM |
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I am between 25 and 35 and I am not satisfied with the Obama Administration. |
nyc 4 Biden |
Aug-17-10 10:47 AM |
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Thanks for this poll Steely Dan. I've wondered the same thing. I did a similar poll |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Aug-17-10 12:27 PM |
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Maybe because those of us of a certain age remember REAL liberal gov't. |
Stoic |
Aug-17-10 01:29 PM |
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I agree entirely. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Aug-17-10 02:01 PM |
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I'm over 45 and not satisfied with the Obama administration |
MissDeeds |
Aug-17-10 02:49 PM |
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42 |
ibegurpard |
Aug-17-10 11:44 PM |
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I'm an old fairly happy Dem |
DFLforever |
Aug-19-10 03:49 AM |
#175 |