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17. Well, with all the chances we've had in power.
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  -The sensible centrists have a point, of sorts blindpig  Aug-09-10 09:35 AM   #0 
  - Stop coming around here making sense or or or you'll be sorry.  Karmadillo   Aug-09-10 09:39 AM   #1 
  - You're right. Unless there is a real, viable choice  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 09:40 AM   #2 
  - You mistake the intent. The exhortation is not to scan the horizon for "something different"  kenny blankenship   Aug-09-10 09:42 AM   #4 
  - Oh. Well, that's what I agreed with. If there is a group that  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 09:56 AM   #7 
     - "I see no alternative"  Smashcut   Aug-09-10 12:59 PM   #81 
        - It's not up to me. It's up to those who want to field candidates  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 02:37 PM   #101 
  - Well, there's certainly not one now..  blindpig   Aug-09-10 11:39 AM   #46 
     - Sorta depends on where you are, doesn't it.  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 11:50 AM   #51 
        - Where is the choice?  blindpig   Aug-09-10 01:05 PM   #83 
           - I can't vote for A "capitalists."  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 07:23 PM   #128 
  - The Left Has Not Had One Significant Accomplishment In The Past 30 Years  Yavin4   Aug-09-10 09:40 AM   #3 
  - Probably because the party left them around that time.  GreenPartyVoter   Aug-09-10 09:50 AM   #6 
  - Did The Civil Rights Movement Need A Political Party?  Yavin4   Aug-09-10 10:04 AM   #13 
     - Not true actually  Starry Messenger   Aug-09-10 10:17 AM   #24 
        - And one of the main reasons Dr. King was labeled a  Fire1   Aug-09-10 10:22 AM   #29 
        - Communist organizers who worked on issues were helpful.  Radical Activist   Aug-09-10 04:38 PM   #114 
  - Well, duh  blindpig   Aug-09-10 10:00 AM   #9 
  - Better start organizing, then. You want people on the streets?  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 10:11 AM   #20 
     - Go out in the Quad? There is no WIFI there!  FSogol   Aug-09-10 10:21 AM   #28 
        - LOL! We hadn't quite heard of WIFI in 1970.  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 10:30 AM   #31 
        - There was no such thing as a boom box in 1970. nt  asdjrocky   Aug-09-10 11:43 AM   #47 
           - OK. A portable radio, then.  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 11:48 AM   #50 
              - Yeah, and if 4 people gathered around it they might be able to hear a Mets Game.  asdjrocky   Aug-09-10 11:57 AM   #52 
                 - The details are that 4000 people showed up and raised their voices.  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 11:59 AM   #55 
                    - That's pretty impressive.  asdjrocky   Aug-09-10 12:02 PM   #57 
                       - Only in the school's paper. There were lots of protests.  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 12:34 PM   #70 
                          - Got it.  asdjrocky   Aug-09-10 12:37 PM   #72 
                             - I suspect that a bunch of them just took the opportunity to  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 12:46 PM   #73 
        - That's it in a nutshell. All the pissin and moanin is just  Fire1   Aug-09-10 10:33 AM   #32 
           - Yup exactly. It is very easy to type "Wez needs a revolution1!!1" Very hard to  FSogol   Aug-09-10 11:09 AM   #44 
              - Well, one must leave the Party Headquarters if one if to do something. n/t  msanthrope   Aug-10-10 12:49 PM   #153 
  - Eh?  BeFree   Aug-09-10 10:02 AM   #11 
  - In the Past 30 Years, The U.S. Has Had Four Major Wars in the M.E.  Yavin4   Aug-09-10 10:06 AM   #14 
  - There ya go  blindpig   Aug-09-10 10:11 AM   #18 
  - Best I can do? WTF?  BeFree   Aug-09-10 10:12 AM   #21 
  - The left hasn't been in power.  Forkboy   Aug-09-10 10:13 AM   #22 
     - Exactly, "The left" is neither powerful or popular enough  WonderGrunion   Aug-09-10 02:29 PM   #100 
        - I'm sorry you find the Left so pointless.  Forkboy   Aug-10-10 10:37 AM   #144 
  - Shining Knights on White Horses  iowasocialist   Aug-09-10 05:14 PM   #121 
     - Welcome to DU from one newcomer.........  socialist_n_TN   Aug-09-10 09:29 PM   #134 
  - Well, with all the chances we've had in power.  Forkboy   Aug-09-10 10:11 AM   #17 
  - They killed us off  zipplewrath   Aug-09-10 10:17 AM   #25 
  - That IS the reality  BeFree   Aug-09-10 10:24 AM   #30 
  - Recworthy reply.  Greyhound   Aug-10-10 01:03 PM   #157 
  - The GLBT community would not agree with you that we  Bluenorthwest   Aug-09-10 10:45 AM   #36 
  - Who has been as successful as the GLBT community  EFerrari   Aug-09-10 11:01 AM   #41 
     - We do get it done, but no one notices that  Bluenorthwest   Aug-09-10 12:05 PM   #59 
  - Depends what you mean by significant.  EFerrari   Aug-09-10 10:59 AM   #40 
  - More spam.  spoony   Aug-09-10 03:13 PM   #106 
  - K&R  SammyWinstonJack   Aug-09-10 09:44 AM   #5 
  - Foment all the revolution you want...  SidDithers   Aug-09-10 10:00 AM   #8 
  - K & R!  rusty fender   Aug-09-10 10:01 AM   #10 
  - Hey I have NO problem with people having  socialist_n_TN   Aug-09-10 10:04 AM   #12 
  - +1 Anything that was considered "left" years ago is now considered  walldude   Aug-09-10 10:09 AM   #15 
  - In regards to the OP, the Left has had...................  socialist_n_TN   Aug-09-10 10:11 AM   #19 
  - They're trying to get us off this website too -  TBF   Aug-09-10 04:21 PM   #108 
  - Perhaps the leftists/socialists are not a  sufrommich   Aug-09-10 10:10 AM   #16 
  - That's an interesting word, "demographics".  JoseGaspar   Aug-09-10 11:46 AM   #49 
  - Most people...  blindpig   Aug-09-10 12:05 PM   #58 
  - The last poll I saw showed only 52% of the population  socialist_n_TN   Aug-09-10 09:02 PM   #130 
  - Yes, this. n/t  msanthrope   Aug-10-10 12:52 PM   #154 
  - Either you produce a whole LOT of viable candidates or all you're doing is whining.  DevonRex   Aug-09-10 10:15 AM   #23 
  - Hell, I'll vote for them. If a blind pig can produce a good,  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 10:34 AM   #33 
  - Same here. :)  DevonRex   Aug-09-10 10:55 AM   #38 
  - Would the Democratic Party run a candidate with an anti-capitalists  blindpig   Aug-09-10 11:27 AM   #45 
     - Truth be told, I'm not overly fond of it. OTOH, I'm not sure how to go  DevonRex   Aug-09-10 11:59 AM   #54 
     - That's why I referred to history.  blindpig   Aug-09-10 12:11 PM   #63 
        - Yes, it is.  DevonRex   Aug-09-10 12:13 PM   #64 
     - If you want nothing less than Democratic party to adopt the platform of the Communist party...  MilesColtrane   Aug-09-10 12:21 PM   #66 
     - I'm not the one who is waiting n/t  blindpig   Aug-09-10 12:27 PM   #67 
        - Sounds like you're exhorting a dog to become a cat.  MilesColtrane   Aug-09-10 12:36 PM   #71 
           - Nope.  blindpig   Aug-09-10 12:58 PM   #79 
     - Democrats are not Communists  ConservativeDemocrat   Aug-09-10 12:29 PM   #69 
     - The problem with your most interesting and unique perspective...  JoseGaspar   Aug-09-10 12:52 PM   #76 
     - No, that's what you HOPE will happen...  ConservativeDemocrat   Aug-09-10 04:50 PM   #116 
     - No they are not.  blindpig   Aug-09-10 12:52 PM   #77 
     - a government of, by, and for the people...  maryf   Aug-09-10 02:42 PM   #102 
     - Re; "Democrats are not Communists"  iowasocialist   Aug-09-10 05:27 PM   #124 
     - I'm not so sure that overwhelming is the correct word......  socialist_n_TN   Aug-09-10 09:08 PM   #131 
     - So are you trying to say that left of center democrats are all socialists?  Go2Peace   Aug-09-10 10:39 PM   #136 
     - I learned in my recent thread of "left demands"  TBF   Aug-09-10 04:26 PM   #110 
  - Discussion is not whining. That's how people generate ideas.  EFerrari   Aug-09-10 11:03 AM   #42 
  - Your last sentence says it all. n/t  Fire1   Aug-09-10 10:20 AM   #26 
  - k & r  Starry Messenger   Aug-09-10 10:20 AM   #27 
  - "marmots of moderation"  jgraz   Aug-09-10 10:35 AM   #34 
  - The pig is poet!  Starry Messenger   Aug-09-10 10:42 AM   #35 
  - The whistle pigs of patient waiting.  kenny blankenship   Aug-09-10 10:50 AM   #37 
  - +01  Greyhound   Aug-09-10 12:06 PM   #60 
  - Hmm...we're adopting the avatar.  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 12:48 PM   #74 
     - OH NOES!!! Your latest transparent attempt to defuse criticism has caught us totally unawares!!  jgraz   Aug-09-10 01:13 PM   #84 
        - Hey, as my father said once:  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 01:26 PM   #85 
        - I have nothing against criticism, as long as it comes with  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 01:46 PM   #93 
        - It's the "you can't fire me, I quit, and also I'm proud of my bad breath" defense. nt  spoony   Aug-09-10 03:16 PM   #107 
           - Uh, that makes no sense at all. English is an excellent language,  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 07:11 PM   #125 
  - It seems hard to have a clear,  LWolf   Aug-09-10 10:55 AM   #39 
  - How about doing the organizing, instead of waiting for others  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 11:58 AM   #53 
  - In that model, each individual is not organizing their own group.  LWolf   Aug-09-10 12:01 PM   #56 
  - Everyone makes his or her choice.  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 12:49 PM   #75 
  - Since you seem unaware of the irony of your own statements...  JoseGaspar   Aug-09-10 03:10 PM   #105 
     - 1944. That was before I was born.  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 07:13 PM   #126 
  - President Obama gave you the answer to "Where do we start?"  WonderGrunion   Aug-09-10 02:51 PM   #104 
     - Thank you for that. So many weren't listening, it seems.  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 07:14 PM   #127 
     - We start by refusing to vote for neoliberals.  LWolf   Aug-10-10 12:13 PM   #148 
     - That's not an answer at all, that's a speech.  Greyhound   Aug-10-10 12:46 PM   #151 
  - Well, it seems to me that shutting up or carrying water  EFerrari   Aug-09-10 11:07 AM   #43 
  - I dunno...  blindpig   Aug-10-10 12:30 PM   #149 
     - Yep. You were right!  EFerrari   Aug-10-10 12:41 PM   #150 
  - My guts are grumbling...  Barack2theFuture   Aug-09-10 11:44 AM   #48 
  - "the continued trend to the right" sums it up k and r  amborin   Aug-09-10 12:06 PM   #61 
  - Exclusivity is a tool of extremism.  felix_numinous   Aug-09-10 12:07 PM   #62 
  - Neither extreme nor moderate.  blindpig   Aug-09-10 12:20 PM   #65 
     - OK I read your post again  felix_numinous   Aug-09-10 12:58 PM   #80 
     - "It bars no act, however heinous, in the pursuit of profits"  socialist_n_TN   Aug-09-10 09:42 PM   #135 
  - sensible centrists = oxymoron ...incoming ...dive dive dive  L0oniX   Aug-09-10 12:28 PM   #68 
  - Seems to me that the right keeps gaining traction  chowder66   Aug-09-10 12:58 PM   #78 
  - Exactly. We have to stop the Republicans as the first step.  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 01:28 PM   #86 
     - I'm in full agreement  chowder66   Aug-09-10 01:43 PM   #92 
     - Stopping Republicans by BECOMING Republicans...  bvar22   Aug-09-10 08:40 PM   #129 
  - I get it now.  MilesColtrane   Aug-09-10 01:02 PM   #82 
  - I think you have it.  MineralMan   Aug-09-10 01:30 PM   #87 
  - Did ya know.....  blindpig   Aug-09-10 01:31 PM   #88 
  - Not /those/ guys?  LoZoccolo   Aug-09-10 01:37 PM   #89 
  - Yes, forming coalitions with like minded Democrats is part of their transitional phase...  MilesColtrane   Aug-09-10 01:40 PM   #91 
     - You missed, McCarthy...  JoseGaspar   Aug-09-10 02:02 PM   #96 
  - Yes, and that's why nothing Obama does will ever be good enough.  Radical Activist   Aug-09-10 05:01 PM   #119 
  - I'm NOT "Anti-Capitalist".  bvar22   Aug-09-10 01:39 PM   #90 
  - Then you are spinning your wheels.  blindpig   Aug-09-10 01:47 PM   #94 
  - It's the urge for personal power and personal wealth...  Silent3   Aug-09-10 02:12 PM   #98 
  - The system endores and rewards such behavior.  blindpig   Aug-09-10 02:22 PM   #99 
     - Time and technology progress...  Silent3   Aug-09-10 04:24 PM   #109 
  - Then I'm not sure WHAT you are arguing for.  bvar22   Aug-09-10 05:02 PM   #120 
     - But, but, but....  Silent3   Aug-09-10 05:14 PM   #122 
     - No, that's not Capitalism, that's trade...  blindpig   Aug-10-10 07:08 AM   #137 
        - If I can butt in here, you make a good point but offer no solutions.  Greyhound   Aug-10-10 01:00 PM   #155 
           - Why should global cooperation be the preserve of Capital?  blindpig   Aug-10-10 01:09 PM   #158 
              - I don't disagree, how can it be done? n/t  Greyhound   Aug-10-10 01:49 PM   #159 
  - So who's going to "balance and regulate" capitalism?  socialist_n_TN   Aug-09-10 09:19 PM   #132 
  - K&R!!  maryf   Aug-09-10 01:54 PM   #95 
  - K&R  inna   Aug-09-10 02:09 PM   #97 
  - k & r for truth.  mikita   Aug-09-10 02:45 PM   #103 
  - Recommended. nt  TBF   Aug-09-10 04:29 PM   #111 
  - Actually, most liberals and progressives are happy with Obama.  Radical Activist   Aug-09-10 04:33 PM   #112 
  - Did I say 'liberals or progressives'?  blindpig   Aug-09-10 04:48 PM   #115 
     - Yes, you did.  Radical Activist   Aug-09-10 04:56 PM   #117 
        - Well yeah...  blindpig   Aug-10-10 07:44 AM   #139 
  - "Capitalism"...  sendero   Aug-09-10 04:35 PM   #113 
  - Capitalism allows all those things.  blindpig   Aug-09-10 04:59 PM   #118 
     - I categorically..  sendero   Aug-09-10 05:17 PM   #123 
     - If you reject this assertion, then why have we  socialist_n_TN   Aug-09-10 09:23 PM   #133 
     - Failing to regulate *anything* leads to abuses.  Orsino   Aug-10-10 07:27 AM   #138 
        - To whose benefit?  blindpig   Aug-10-10 07:56 AM   #140 
           - One might as well say, then...  Orsino   Aug-10-10 08:02 AM   #141 
  - Morning kick. nt  TBF   Aug-10-10 08:02 AM   #142 
  - Thanks for this again...  maryf   Aug-10-10 10:30 AM   #143 
  - if all manage to divide equally between left and right  bigtree   Aug-10-10 10:39 AM   #145 
  - How did you get Robert Gibbs to support your thread, Mr. Pig?  JoseGaspar   Aug-10-10 10:41 AM   #146 
  - Wasn't that a boot in the ass?  blindpig   Aug-10-10 11:17 AM   #147 
  - I think the problem for you is that the country is avowedly capitalist  BzaDem   Aug-10-10 12:48 PM   #152 
     - Is it that obvious?  blindpig   Aug-10-10 01:00 PM   #156 
 

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