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108. Odin, I just have to say this... You went through so much growth in the last few years, judging by.

the changing nature of your posts on DU. I mean it as a highest compliment. :) You must've been reading a lot of Chomsky, or something. :D

Keep it up, you're wise beyond your years. :thumbsup:
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  -The First Step in Crippling Our System of Government Is To Convince MineralMan  Aug-03-10 03:23 PM   #0 
  - Well, since all of us ARE the government, does it not follow that if the government is broken then  arbusto_baboso   Aug-03-10 03:24 PM   #1 
  - But, you see, that posits that the government is broken.  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 03:27 PM   #2 
     - I didn't say it was broken. Messed-up certainly. But... I guess the point I was trying to make...  arbusto_baboso   Aug-03-10 03:30 PM   #5 
        - Ah, OK. I see. You may be right. I've certainly seen many people  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 03:33 PM   #10 
  - Learning that political activisim no longer works-  asdjrocky   Aug-03-10 03:30 PM   #3 
  - What is the difference between political and direct activism?  treestar   Aug-03-10 03:32 PM   #8 
  - I'll answer with Howard Zinn's speech from John Hopkin's U in 1970-  asdjrocky   Aug-03-10 03:42 PM   # 
  - As I have done so often, I give you Al Franken.  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 03:32 PM   #9 
     - I see your Al Franken and I raise you a Howard Zinn-  asdjrocky   Aug-03-10 03:37 PM   #15 
        - Howard Zinn is dead. He was an influential figure in  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 03:52 PM   #21 
           - You have no idea what you are talking about.  asdjrocky   Aug-03-10 03:58 PM   #25 
           - Actually, it is you who have no idea who I am or what I know.  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 04:02 PM   #30 
              - Maybe not.  asdjrocky   Aug-03-10 04:08 PM   #34 
                 - Not really. Again, you know nothing about me, and I'm not in the  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 04:11 PM   #36 
                    - Oh, thank you so much for the premission to belive what I believe.  asdjrocky   Aug-03-10 04:12 PM   #37 
                       - The point is that you need no permission from me or anyone else.  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 04:20 PM   #38 
                       - nice trolling  27inCali   Aug-03-10 07:47 PM   #55 
                          - So Martin Luther King did not bring change through civil disobedience?  RainDog   Aug-03-10 09:27 PM   #56 
                          - You said it right Rain Dog.  asdjrocky   Aug-04-10 01:05 PM   #116 
                          - Back then they actually covered marches on the news  27inCali   Aug-05-10 02:45 AM   #129 
                          - So in your mind, it is far more successful to keep re-electing  sabrina 1   Aug-03-10 11:06 PM   #70 
                          - I'm not against civil disobedience  27inCali   Aug-05-10 02:50 AM   #130 
                             - Well, I agree with you regarding the Dems voting against their  sabrina 1   Aug-05-10 12:08 PM   #134 
                          - You've never read Zinn either, have you? n/t  EFerrari   Aug-04-10 07:38 AM   #85 
                          - No! do I have to? Is he the only source of wisdom?  27inCali   Aug-05-10 02:58 AM   #131 
                          - pure projection on your part.  inna   Aug-04-10 10:38 AM   #107 
                             - popularity should not be an argument for one's worth  27inCali   Aug-05-10 03:02 AM   #132 
           - That seems like an overly simplistic view.  wickerwoman   Aug-03-10 07:24 PM   #53 
              - I didn't say, or mean, that changing minds does nothing. In fact,  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 07:41 PM   #54 
                 - What you fear is the Democratic Party's tone deafness  RainDog   Aug-03-10 09:39 PM   #60 
                    - It's always a mistake to believe that  MineralMan   Aug-04-10 08:22 AM   #87 
                       - according to the democratic party...  tomp   Aug-04-10 08:47 AM   #97 
                       - Where are you getting this information?  janx   Aug-04-10 01:16 PM   #117 
                          - don't be ridiculous.  tomp   Aug-04-10 10:59 PM   #127 
                       - Yes, it is a common error.  RainDog   Aug-04-10 04:05 PM   #119 
  - I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't an organized group whose goal is the destruction of our syste  prolesunited   Aug-03-10 03:30 PM   #4 
  - Them too. I wonder if there aren't some in that group who are  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 03:34 PM   #13 
  - I have little doubt that your suspicions are correct.  Jackpine Radical   Aug-03-10 03:31 PM   #6 
  - I think so  treestar   Aug-03-10 03:31 PM   #7 
  - Of Course It's Organized, And It Is Meant To Destroy And Discourage  Beetwasher   Aug-03-10 03:33 PM   #11 
  - But, are people so easily led capable of governing?  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 03:37 PM   #16 
     - No, But That's Not Their Purpose, Their Purpose Is To Disrupt  Beetwasher   Aug-03-10 03:43 PM   #19 
        - That could be right. All they need do is demoralize enough  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 04:08 PM   #33 
  - Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Aug-03-10 03:33 PM   #12 
  - Oh, I'm not talking about holding the government accountable.  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 03:36 PM   #14 
     - you mean the mere election of obama equals holding bush/cheney accountable?  tomp   Aug-04-10 08:51 AM   #100 
  - what's worse, negativism or the promise of change that fell flat?  NightWatcher   Aug-03-10 03:38 PM   #17 
  - You honestly believe that there has been no change from Bush to Obama?  Drunken Irishman   Aug-03-10 03:46 PM   #20 
  - Managing expectations is a big part of it...  JuniperLea   Aug-03-10 03:54 PM   # 
  - And yet, you are participating here. So, you have obviously not  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 03:54 PM   #22 
  - Negativism...  JuniperLea   Aug-03-10 03:42 PM   #18 
  - I'm pretty sure those who may be spreading this negative FUD  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 03:58 PM   #26 
  - Hope this helps:  snot   Aug-03-10 03:55 PM   #23 
  - I Cannot Recommend This Video Enough...  Steely_Dan   Aug-04-10 08:44 AM   #94 
  - There've been henny pennys since the primaries  Cha   Aug-03-10 03:55 PM   #24 
  - Thank you.  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 04:00 PM   #27 
  - Great topic  kctim   Aug-03-10 04:00 PM   #28 
  - The Republicans are depressing me!  gulliver   Aug-03-10 04:01 PM   #29 
  - Agreed. Which makes me wonder if the right is running this  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 04:04 PM   #31 
  - But yet they DON'T even "govern"  Proud Liberal Dem   Aug-04-10 04:15 PM   #120 
  - Negatives unite  grantcart   Aug-03-10 04:07 PM   #32 
  - I'm not really talking about the Tea Party morons in this thread.  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 04:10 PM   #35 
     - The same principles apply.  grantcart   Aug-03-10 04:28 PM   #40 
        - It seems to me that it's difficult to make positive changes if  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 06:54 PM   #49 
        - Isn't this kind of thing against the new rules? Group slurs?  EFerrari   Aug-04-10 07:03 AM   #78 
           - Why do you assume I'm talking about Democrats in general or  MineralMan   Aug-04-10 08:29 AM   #88 
              - No, I'm not. And I was responding to grantcart. nt  EFerrari   Aug-04-10 12:36 PM   #112 
                 - It is a clear statement of fact  grantcart   Aug-04-10 12:53 PM   #114 
  - Great post MineralMan.  Scurrilous   Aug-03-10 04:26 PM   #39 
  - Well, I don't know about that, but it's something I've been thinking  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 06:52 PM   #48 
  - I don't see organized negativism. What I do see are a lot of people  Joe Fields   Aug-03-10 04:50 PM   #41 
  - Our "system of government" is a play put on by the Corporate Elite to give the illusion of Democracy  Odin2005   Aug-03-10 04:58 PM   #42 
  - Well, here's a clue. Capitalism isn't going away. There's nothing  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 06:47 PM   #45 
  - My problem is that both of you are arguing myth not reality  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-03-10 09:57 PM   #64 
  - Capitalism is built upon the notion of free markets. In the US, monopolies dominate many markets.  Selatius   Aug-04-10 07:05 AM   #79 
     - Then, it is not capitalism to which you object, but monopolies?  MineralMan   Aug-04-10 08:32 AM   #90 
  - Odin, I just have to say this... You went through so much growth in the last few years, judging by.  inna   Aug-04-10 10:46 AM   #108 
     - As a matter of hact I have, just got his new book last weekend.  Odin2005   Aug-04-10 04:38 PM   #121 
  - One of the key liberal values is that the government is an institution  NJmaverick   Aug-03-10 05:04 PM   #43 
  - Very true. And Democrats are the most likely party to do those  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 06:50 PM   #46 
  - A valid point MM, well worth considering  JNelson6563   Aug-03-10 06:19 PM   #44 
  - You have a point there, truly.  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 06:50 PM   #47 
  - Such organized group is called the GOP  uponit7771   Aug-03-10 06:55 PM   #50 
  - Yes, I've noticed. And the worst thing is that it oftentimes a self-fulfilling prophecy. nt  quiet.american   Aug-03-10 07:19 PM   #51 
  - Exactly.  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 07:21 PM   #52 
  - Cynics hate progress. It undermines their core philosophy. So they have a lot invested  KittyWampus   Aug-03-10 09:35 PM   #57 
  - You see that everyday with DU's cynics that won't acknowledge the incredible changes already made  scheming daemons   Aug-03-10 09:36 PM   #58 
  - which is why I spend so little time here anymore.  KittyWampus   Aug-03-10 09:38 PM   #59 
  - Cynics hate  ProSense   Aug-03-10 10:15 PM   #67 
  - You're absolutely right.  Number23   Aug-04-10 05:34 PM   #123 
  - Reagan's contention: Government can't do anything right.  laughingliberal   Aug-03-10 09:42 PM   #61 
  - kick  azmouse   Aug-03-10 09:54 PM   #62 
  - K/R!  Born_A_Truman   Aug-03-10 09:54 PM   #63 
  - We go through these every so often  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-03-10 10:00 PM   #65 
  - Well said! eom  laughingliberal   Aug-03-10 11:22 PM   #72 
  - This thread belongs in the dungeon.  Bonobo   Aug-03-10 10:02 PM   #66 
  - I think he just means, this would be a great board if it weren't for all goddam  EFerrari   Aug-04-10 06:36 AM   #74 
  - Thanks for the translation.  Bonobo   Aug-04-10 06:50 AM   #75 
     - I just watched "Orwell Rolls In His Grave" again.  EFerrari   Aug-04-10 06:54 AM   #76 
  - I agree, conspiracy theories are not supposed to be allowed in GD..  Fumesucker   Aug-04-10 07:01 AM   #77 
     - You should listen to pragmatic woodchucks more pal.  Bonobo   Aug-04-10 07:08 AM   #80 
        - People who live on the beach learn not to stand under the coconut palm..  Fumesucker   Aug-04-10 07:13 AM   #81 
           - Simply untrue.  Bonobo   Aug-04-10 07:17 AM   #82 
              - LOL.. I rest my case..  Fumesucker   Aug-04-10 07:21 AM   #83 
  - Our government IS worthless and unable to fix anything..  JackDragna   Aug-03-10 10:18 PM   #68 
  - If that is the case, then it stands to reason that election activism  MineralMan   Aug-04-10 08:40 AM   #92 
  - Obama is the ultimate embodiment of cynical politics.  girl gone mad   Aug-03-10 10:51 PM   #69 
  - Capitalism must die  IndianaGreen   Aug-03-10 11:08 PM   #71 
  - Interesting. What mechanism do you envision that will cause  MineralMan   Aug-04-10 08:42 AM   #93 
     - The guillotine!  IndianaGreen   Aug-04-10 04:00 PM   #118 
  - It seems the left has adopted the tactics used by the right... All negativism..  Kahuna   Aug-04-10 06:27 AM   #73 
  - I suggest that we need not accept negativism, but can  MineralMan   Aug-04-10 08:46 AM   #96 
  - Its a GOP strategy developed by Grover Norquist ...  JoePhilly   Aug-04-10 07:25 AM   #84 
  - Good post...  SidDithers   Aug-04-10 07:38 AM   #86 
  - Yep, here in the bubble where people are actually paying attention to the destruction of our nation.  Fumesucker   Aug-04-10 08:29 AM   #89 
  - What you say is true. Most people are not as fascinated by  MineralMan   Aug-04-10 11:01 AM   #111 
  - I'm not sure about that. I'm seeing it even in the voices of pundits,  MineralMan   Aug-04-10 08:49 AM   #98 
     - Pundits--  janx   Aug-04-10 10:48 AM   #109 
  - Our gov't oversees the transfer of wealth from working people to big corps with great efficiency.  Romulox   Aug-04-10 08:36 AM   #91 
  - That's been the repub mantra for years  Brewman_Jax   Aug-04-10 08:45 AM   #95 
  - That is true. Which is one of the factors that raises the very  MineralMan   Aug-04-10 08:50 AM   #99 
  - Yep. Keep in mind that george w. bush did exactly what he said he would do..  Kahuna   Aug-04-10 08:54 AM   #101 
  - Unrealistic Expectations?  Steely_Dan   Aug-04-10 09:04 AM   #102 
  - pretty much hogwash.  tomp   Aug-04-10 09:16 AM   #103 
  - And that is the way to present a civil, but strong, argument. Well done.  ThomWV   Aug-04-10 09:28 AM   #104 
  - OK. What I posted is my opinion and a question.  MineralMan   Aug-04-10 10:28 AM   #105 
  - on my way out. will respond later. nt  tomp   Aug-04-10 10:33 AM   #106 
  - If it works only to funnel wealth to the rich, spy on it's citizens, waging unending war against  TheKentuckian   Aug-04-10 12:38 PM   #113 
  - ok, a quick response.  tomp   Aug-04-10 11:31 PM   #128 
  - +1. well done.  inna   Aug-04-10 10:48 AM   #110 
  - well-said.  nightrain   Aug-04-10 01:00 PM   #115 
  - Kick. Worth discussing. nt  Hekate   Aug-04-10 05:32 PM   #122 
  - I don't know, Hekate. Seems like all this thread has proved is that there are too many people on DU  Number23   Aug-04-10 05:38 PM   #124 
     - heehee. Well, there is that. You definitely have a point.  Hekate   Aug-04-10 05:54 PM   #125 
     - Yep...  JuniperLea   Aug-04-10 07:16 PM   #126 
  - That's exactly right. Cynicism about government is cynically manipulated.  Unvanguard   Aug-05-10 03:07 AM   #133 
 

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